So hard...

[FockerTheLopper]

My teacher has assigned me to play the latin foot osantio (B-HBB-HBB-HBB-HB) while reading a 16th note chart. I can do them seperately and I know where the hits are placed but when I go to do it it just falls apart, even when I play it really slowly. It ends up with me getting agrivated and me putting it away.

Any help with my problem, maybe I need more time? Its really agrivating though because my brain handle the patterns but my body can't as opposed to what ussually happens. Again I need some help because I really want to move foward but this is hindering me.

[billdrum]

Patience, for sure. Any latin coordination exercise requires a large amount of patience. Keep it slow at first, and work it a measure at a time until it comes together. Once you begin to "unlock" the coordination, you should find that each measure will come together more quickly. Soon you'll be improvising over it!

[moogoogaipan]

My teacher has assigned me to play the latin foot osantio (B-HBB-HBB-HBB-HB) .

that's called a bossa nova... or samba... depending on the speed.

the best way to learn it is to just play it steady for a while without reading anything... then start with syncopation on page 34. Syncopation has lines with one pattern repeated for 4 bars, this goes on for 4 pages and then from page 38 to 45 is full page sight-reading charts.
That's how i'd go about doing it.

if you listened to my solo for the Competition, I used that pattern almost the entire time.

[Btrutt87]

were you trying to spell ostinato? hahaha that is funny

[rohbit]

Focker's a funny guy with a massive... toe.

[spirit]

Play one part, and sing the other. If you find that difficult, have someone else sing it, so your ear gets used to the sound of it. Then swap parts. Play the other one, and have the part you were playing sung. Then put both parts together.

[drummingducktape]

go each bar at a time. so start playing the basic beat.(the bass, hi hat with foot, and ride) take it one hit at a time.

so take the first one and just play just that one. keep playing that bar with only that hit. then do the second one. play that bar untill you can play both the first and second nice then add the 3rd one and so on. once you start playing a few smoothly youll be able to get though it better and faster

[DuckinFutch8]

^ yea, do what he said, play the basic ostinato, with the feet, and every two bars or so add another hit on the ride or snare or whatever it was you were playing...

Eventually you'll have the entire thing down.

That really helped me a lot when I learned to put the cascara over a clave rhythm.

[tapioca]

slow it down, if necessary to 40 bpm. take a melody, for some ideas take my lesson: http://www.sputnikmusic.com/lesson.php?lessonid=135
now all you have to remember is that two or three limbs play together or seperated. i.e. if you take the third melody of group 2 of the lesson (strokes on "+" and "e") you always play left foot and for instance right hand together on the "plus" and right foot and right hand together on the "e".
being aware of this helped me developing interdependence for several patterns and limbs, also for playing Marco's book (I also still use this method, for that book, virtually for every system and melody there is, because you have to keep in mind all the references the system and the melodies share, so you won't get all fizzled up when you're playing stuff that's difficult for you).

[FockerTheLopper]

Focker's a funny guy with a massive... toe.
Whats funny about that is that I kicked my friend today and my foot swelled up and my toe is huge.
No joke

Yeah and thanks for the help, but thats exactly whats frustrating me. My mind can handle it and I know where all the hits go, but my body gets lost because when I focus on the reading then the rest goes off. I started geting the hang of it more earlier on

[We_Love_Lime]

Patience, for sure. Any latin coordination exercise requires a large amount of patience. Keep it slow at first, and work it a measure at a time until it comes together. Once you begin to "unlock" the coordination, you should find that each measure will come together more quickly. Soon you'll be improvising over it!

Same thing I did with second line rhythems. He speaks the truth. I used to get so fed up with them, even when I was playing slow. But patience and determination gets you there man, only a matter of time.

[FockerTheLopper]

Same thing I did with second line rhythems. He speaks the truth. I used to get so fed up with them, even when I was playing slow. But patience and determination gets you there man, only a matter of time.
Okay thanks for that, I'll keep shedding it!

[We_Love_Lime]

Okay thanks for that, I'll keep shedding it!

Yeah, Don't cram em up your *** either. Take your time, just tap your toes during lunch at school with the music in front of you, no need to hurry. It doesn't make you hate it as much, and once you get it, you'll enjoy it.

[FockerTheLopper]

Yeah, Don't cram em up your *** either. Take your time, just tap your toes during lunch at school with the music in front of you, no need to hurry. It doesn't make you hate it as much, and once you get it, you'll enjoy it.
Yeah thats what I do, always tap it, I have a problem now though, I hurt my right foot and I can't tap!

[We_Love_Lime]

Oh that sucks....Lol Flex your right butt cheek.

[FockerTheLopper]

Oh that sucks....Lol Flex your right butt cheek.
lol, na I flex my quad, like I do when its quiet and I can't tap. Hopefully it'll heal by tommorow, I kicked my friend in his knee pretty hard. Big house party in a while I really don't want to miss it.

[Damo]

Focker - try the patterns over this ostinato first:


B-H-B-H- etc

The kick on 1a ends up feeling like a ghost note eventually anyway so by removing it altogether to start with, you can get the body to feel the movement its going to need, without the complication of a harder bass drum pattern.

Practise rudiments and dynamics over the top first.

[Seafroggys]

My teacher has assigned me to play the latin foot osantio (B-HBB-HBB-HBB-HB) while reading a 16th note chart. I can do them seperately and I know where the hits are placed but when I go to do it it just falls apart, even when I play it really slowly. It ends up with me getting agrivated and me putting it away.

Any help with my problem, maybe I need more time? Its really agrivating though because my brain handle the patterns but my body can't as opposed to what ussually happens. Again I need some help because I really want to move foward but this is hindering me.

cool, thats the basis for the samba groove

[some jive turkey]

Learning this kind of stuff is challenging.
try this:

*use a click to help yourself bring the tempo way down, even down to some ridiculously slow speed like 38bpm that the music would never be played at.

*put the sticks down for a second verbaly count out loud -say it, then say it while you play it

*shut off the click, forget time for a second and just move your limbs in cooridination-correct limbs together(no flams) in the correct order-continually repeat it and eventually it will fall into rhythm since it's probably more natural to play it in rhythm(once you figure it out)

--still having problems with a tough one?---

*skip it and come back-- don't be afraid to push the reset button in your brain, sometimes jumping ahead in a book is helpful.

*break it up into chunks-i.e.: just play the four 16th notes of beat 1, over and over, then beats 1&2, then 3, then 3&4,, then 1 through 4.

[FockerTheLopper]

Focker - try the patterns over this ostinato first:


B-H-B-H- etc

The kick on 1a ends up feeling like a ghost note eventually anyway so by removing it altogether to start with, you can get the body to feel the movement its going to need, without the complication of a harder bass drum pattern.

Practise rudiments and dynamics over the top first.
My teacher gave me different stickings to work on over the ostinato and I could play every worse then I could play the chart. Okay, when my foot heals up I'm going to try it over that, but I think I'm already able to do it. Thanks for the help everyone

[Josiah]

Go Slow, Count Out Loud.