View Full Version : Sharing a kit.
TTTSNB
03-13-2006, 07:29 PM
AT school, I ALWAYS have to share a kit, and the other drummers set up the kit much differently then I do. They want everything angled, the snare very low, the hats very low, and one plays open, so he has to change the cymbals around. This presents problems because whenever we mic the kit up, we can't really change the setup at all, and I'm stuck generally playing their horrible setup. what should I do?
This is how the other guys set their kits up:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v165/vansoth/Image030-1.jpg
(http://photobucket.com/albums/v165/vansoth/?sc=1&multi=1&addtype=local&media=image&test=test)
Jezen
03-13-2006, 07:30 PM
Kill them.
Jezen
03-13-2006, 07:30 PM
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HeLLmO
03-13-2006, 07:31 PM
there are these things, called hands, and they can punch stupid ppl, next time he sets up bad utilize these hands and beat his ***, even though he looks like he has scoliocis
Icky_Mettle
03-13-2006, 07:33 PM
there are these things, called hands, and they can punch stupid ppl, next time he sets up bad utilize these hands and beat his ***, even though he looks like he has scoliocis
I was thinking the same thing, he must be a hunch back or something...if so, I'd say let him be.
Blizzy_206
03-13-2006, 07:34 PM
Should be able to work out a compromise with them. Find a happy medium. If they are respectful people and what not this should be achievable...
TTTSNB
03-13-2006, 07:34 PM
I was thinking the same thing, he must be a hunch back or something...if so, I'd say let him be.
No, he just has bad posture, and he's the same size as me, so its not like it'd be physically impossible for him to play everything higher.
CombatWombat3
03-13-2006, 08:15 PM
Man, that setup is mighty.......funky. I would just sit down and talk with him, and just have him play on your setup for a while, maybe have him sit up strraighter.
Drum Monkey
03-13-2006, 08:40 PM
Do you not have enough time to change the set-up once it's miced? Or does it just become too much trouble? Talk to them and let them know that if they try your more efficient set-up it could be more comfortable...
-DM
TTTSNB
03-13-2006, 09:07 PM
Do you not have enough time to change the set-up once it's miced? Or does it just become too much trouble? Talk to them and let them know that if they try your more efficient set-up it could be more comfortable...
-DM
I have time, but not to reposition the mics entirely and check the levels again.
crazyguy832
03-13-2006, 09:12 PM
Kill them.
I'd go with this option.
:wave:
Drum Monkey
03-13-2006, 09:13 PM
I have time, but not to reposition the mics entirely and check the levels again.
I figured it would take too much trouble...
Just let them know where you're coming from and that they seem to be the ones with the alienated set-up. :chug:
-DM
crazyguy832
03-13-2006, 09:21 PM
To the open-handed guy...
I can play on a normal (crossed) kit just fine without adjusting it. He should suck it up for the rest of you and leave the hats raised.
TTTSNB
03-13-2006, 09:21 PM
I figured it would take too much trouble...
Just let them know where you're coming from and that they seem to be the ones with the alienated set-up. :chug:
-DM
Alright, I'll try. Thing is, I don't exactly get much respect from these guys, I'm not the same kind of person as them.
Drum Monkey
03-13-2006, 09:28 PM
Alright, I'll try. Thing is, I don't exactly get much respect from these guys, I'm not the same kind of person as them.
You can always show them this thread because that set-up posted above looks horrible. The guy has to hunch his back to play the kit the stuff is so low!
-DM
rockindrummer
03-13-2006, 10:22 PM
Alright, I'll try. Thing is, I don't exactly get much respect from these guys, I'm not the same kind of person as them.
You're cooler than they are. Just try to talk to them man, hopfully he won't be a dick to you but if he is just ignore him, some people can't handle life.
Chris
03-14-2006, 04:08 AM
It really isnt a huge biggy. That kit is playable, and you no major issue really.
The only thing i would change would be move the floor tom in abit.
styler
03-14-2006, 07:26 AM
the hell. its barely playable.. barely..if that. thats like setting up a kit out of the box without adjusting anything. then becoming retarded. THEN adjusting everything.
LostRythym
03-14-2006, 07:37 AM
Tap him in the balls. Or always try to get a chance to play before the other guy.
SonorKen
03-14-2006, 07:51 AM
Print out this thread and show it to them. If they don't want to listen to experienced drummers, many of who are recording in studios, graduates of PIT, and are in signed bands, then don't even sweat it.
Alot of people do not even THINK about ergonomics when setting up a kit. They think about what looks cool or whatever. Ergonomics is EVERYTHING when setting up a kit. Its all about being comfortable.
Now with that being said, there are some drummers out there who play kits that I would struggle to play. Nicko's kit is an example. The way he tilts his toms back towards himself, Id struggle at that. Carey plays his toms REALLY flat. He is 6'6" so he can get away with that as he sits well above his toms. Comfort and ergonomics.
Worse case scenario, you have to adjust the kit everyday, no big deal. Get ya some memory locks and tape and set the kit up. You can readjust memory locks and tape marking in a matter of seconds.
Murd_666
03-14-2006, 09:02 AM
Wow you really should teach them how to set up a kit right and teach them how important posture is. What I don't get is why are the hats so low? Even though he's playing open handed, I can play open handed somewhat and I don't have to change the height of my hats.
I dont want to be an *** but that kit looks pretty playable with some corrections, you can never have a perfect setup without your own set and a limited amount of time.
TTTSNB
03-14-2006, 09:51 AM
I dont want to be an *** but that kit looks pretty playable with some corrections, you can never have a perfect setup without your own set and a limited amount of time.
You'd understand if you tried to play the kit
alexmonty12
03-14-2006, 10:44 AM
change it to your set-up, and if they ever want their old setup back, they can change it themselves, but you can almost garauntee they'll like how you set it up (if it's any good) and keep it
MatthewMeredith
03-14-2006, 12:06 PM
Try being a lefty at school... Now that's a pain in the *** if I've ever had one
But seriously, I agree with the whole "print this thread" idea :thumb:
MatthewMeredith
03-14-2006, 12:06 PM
What you can't even say ***? That's bull****!
TTTSNB
03-14-2006, 12:08 PM
Try being a lefty at school... Now that's a pain in the *** if I've ever had one
But seriously, I agree with the whole "print this thread" idea :thumb:
Yeah...well I have no problem with his moving the cymbals around, its just the other aspects that bother me.
red n black
03-14-2006, 02:43 PM
That lefty kid needs to drown. I play open-handed all the time at my guitarists house, cuz his bro's a lefty. I seldom adjust anything (I'm lazy).
Why do you mic it up anyway? You record or are you playing really loud?
TTTSNB
03-14-2006, 03:03 PM
That lefty kid needs to drown. I play open-handed all the time at my guitarists house, cuz his bro's a lefty. I seldom adjust anything (I'm lazy).
Why do you mic it up anyway? You record or are you playing really loud?
We mic it up at the bigger concerts so we can record, and also just to have better sound.
raz0r
03-14-2006, 03:08 PM
Print out this thread and show it to them. If they don't want to listen to experienced drummers, many of who are recording in studios, graduates of PIT, and are in signed bands, then don't even sweat it.
Alot of people do not even THINK about ergonomics when setting up a kit. They think about what looks cool or whatever. Ergonomics is EVERYTHING when setting up a kit. Its all about being comfortable.
Now with that being said, there are some drummers out there who play kits that I would struggle to play. Nicko's kit is an example. The way he tilts his toms back towards himself, Id struggle at that. Carey plays his toms REALLY flat. He is 6'6" so he can get away with that as he sits well above his toms. Comfort and ergonomics.
Worse case scenario, you have to adjust the kit everyday, no big deal. Get ya some memory locks and tape and set the kit up. You can readjust memory locks and tape marking in a matter of seconds.
I personally like to have my toms pretty much as flat as possible, also being 6'6" myself. Although, in defense of Nicko, his toms are huge, and he plays them relatively high up, so they're still quite easily playable.
TTNSB, I feel your pain. I have the same problem at my school, everyone seems to like playing with the snare level with their ankles, and the toms tilted at least 45 degrees. Unfortunately, out of around 20 drummers who use the kits on a regular basis, only me, and one other person actually know how to set them up properly.
I'm afraid you'll probably just have to grin and bear it.
Physical harm to those responsible is the other, more appealing option.
red n black
03-14-2006, 03:09 PM
Concerts? I got the impression we were talking bout rehersals.
Well then, just compromise with the toms and I'm sure you got time to raise hats and snare.
What kind's of mics are you using?
Chris
03-14-2006, 03:41 PM
I dont want to be an *** but that kit looks pretty playable with some corrections, you can never have a perfect setup without your own set and a limited amount of time.
That was my point. It is playable.
Loser
03-14-2006, 04:10 PM
If the issue is mic placement after moving things, see if you can set it up as you like it before the mics are placed, then the other guy with the funny setup will have the problem you have right now rather than you.
ringworm
03-14-2006, 04:12 PM
Strap a damn 2x4 to that kids hunched back, I hate seein people slumped over a kit that like that.
mamcdonald
03-14-2006, 04:58 PM
I have time, but not to reposition the mics entirely and check the levels again.
Are you kidding me? Dude, I go to small clubs with not extremely expensive sound systems and they're able to change drumsets and get a pretty decent mix in all of about 10 minutes or so. Your guitarists should be setting up pedal boards and hooking up cables and stuff like that while you would be changing your set, anyway, so you're not wasting any time. That's why there are memory locks on so much stuff nowadays to make setup as quick as possible.
If you set your drums up as much as possible before you even go on (already have your toms attached to your bass [assuming they attach to your bass], all your cymbals setup at the right heights and such, etc.) then it's a simple matter of moving and placing about 5 different pieces, which should take about 2-4 minutes with a little help, tweaking your setup (another 2-4), then about 4-6 minutes to get a good mix depending on how good your soundtech is. At the most, you'd only be going about 15 minutes and that's if you are really slow.
And you DEFINITELY don't have an excuse if you're gonna use the same drumset. Then it's already setup AND you have the proper levels for mics, all you have to do is tweak it to your liking. This really shouldn't be that difficult.
mamcdonald knows what's up.
Unless you really have to put a lefty kit to a righty there shouldnt be much problems with changing the setup. It took me around 10 minutes to reposition the 4 toms on a 6 piece and remove the cymbalstands and replace them with my own, which gave me around 4 min for a mic-check.
TTTSNB
03-14-2006, 05:17 PM
mamcdonald knows what's up.
Unless you really have to put a lefty kit to a righty there shouldnt be much problems with changing the setup. It took me around 10 minutes to reposition the 4 toms on a 6 piece and remove the cymbalstands and replace them with my own, which gave me around 4 min for a mic-check.
The issue here is, we don't really play in groups per se, just drummers and maybe other musicians switch off for different songs.
Our music director is obsessed with having every song going as quickly as possible, I mean 30 seconds between songs.
According to him, that time would be rediculously long.
ah ok, yeah that sucks. Same reason why we're not allowed to change setups at drumclass, unless you're a lefty or have a special reason to change.
Adapt and overcome is the motto.
Aaron
03-14-2006, 05:22 PM
I understand what you mean TTTSNB; i play left handed and share a kit with 4 right-handed drummers at my church, and sometimes 3 of us play the same night, so I've had to learn to break down quickly. my tip is that if you can get away with it, play a 3-piece, i know its annoying, but its less things to worry about and it does make you a better groove-based player. it's what i've had to do, now i love it.
TTTSNB
03-15-2006, 10:37 AM
ah ok, yeah that sucks. Same reason why we're not allowed to change setups at drumclass, unless you're a lefty or have a special reason to change.
Adapt and overcome is the motto.
Yeah, well, I don't feel that I should be having to adapt to his setup.
well, if I had my way I had a small midget as a drumroadie who set up my kit perfectly wherever I play.
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