what would you suggest?

[bassist_for_a_band]

ok well i've got close to $500 saved up, and i'm looking to get some new gear. I'm stuck between a new bass or new amp.

Right now, I've got a squier affinity precision that i got in september of '04. it's not a bad bass at all, but i figured it might not be a bad idea to look into a new one.

i've also got a hartke kicback 12 amp... the only problem with it is that if i dont have a fan on it, it'll overheat and cut out. also, if i turn up the main volume any higher than halfway, it'll scream and whine and crack whenever i play. my damn guitarist never turns down, and i'm rarely audible enough. i think it was bought used... i'm not even sure, it's just my guitarists and he lets me use it. it's a great amp, except for the unwanted noise/overheating
it's 120 watts, but i've got to be heard over a full PA and such, and two 200 watt marshall 2x12's.



So what would you suggest? A new bass? Im leaning towards a fender hoppus jazz. i like the sound and all, and there's not much out there that fits what id probably need

Or a new amp? i was thinking a hartke 4x10 and 3500 head (both of which i can get at a local shop, they also have a 115)
or would i be better off getting a combo?


either of them would still require some saving, but i should have enough soon... im just not sure what would be more worth it.

[thelowsoundofbass]

First it a hoppus pbass, not a jazz. and i would go for a good amp and tell the damn guitarists to turn down, 200w (even if its solid state) for a guitar is overkill.

lowsound

[SLKBassist]

I would say get a new amp over a bass if you can. But if you do want a bass, i would suggest against the hoppus bass, its too expensive for what it is. For the same price you can so many better basses.

[fleakeepr666]

New amp, definitely. If you're ok with your Squire, and if your amp is that hard to work with, then you're in need of a new rig.

[WhoDidTheElf]

First it a hoppus pbass, not a jazz. and i would go for a good amp and tell the damn guitarists to turn down, 200w (even if its solid state) for a guitar is overkill.

lowsound


http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Bass/Electric?sku=510843

Err it is a Jazz bass acourding to that lol.

And perssonally I would go for an amp too.

[Az_Holl]

I'd love a Hoppus, but i'd want a jazz p/u at the bridge as well. But aside from that they look killer and sound awesome.

[Mr. Pickle]

squiER people, geez....


i'd just like to say that if you decide to get a half-stack, i'd steer clear of hartke unless you plan on getting the aluminum cones

[thelowsoundofbass]

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Bass/Electric?sku=510843

Err it is a Jazz bass acourding to that lol.

And perssonally I would go for an amp too.

It has pbass pickups, and a jazz body. I say its a pbass.

lowsound

[Criss Frantic]

Fender site says it's the Mark Hoppus Jazz Bass, but P-Bass pickups and a P-Bass neck tell me that it ain't no jazz, it's just a P that got left out in the sun too long and melted a bit.

[ebe9]

if you can get your hands on another $200 you might want to have a look at the Fender Bassman 250 / 210 combo unit as a replacement for your amp.

Also if you go the bass route.............try something other than the hoppus bass.

[Alpha Waves]

definately get a new amp first, you can have the nicest bass in the world but its no good if no-one can hear it.

and dont get a hoppus bass, there is way better out there

[LewsTherin]

If you do get a new bass, and really want the sound of the Hoppus bass, get a standard P-Bass and upgrade the pup to the SPB-3 (Quarter Pounder) thats in the Hoppus. If you really want, we can even show you how to defeat the tone circuit.

[WhoDidTheElf]

It has pbass pickups, and a jazz body. I say its a pbass.

lowsound


Not to start any thing, but a lot of basses have P pickups, and fat necks, but they aren't P basses. Just IMO though.

[MasterofBass]

I'd honestly go for the amp. If your bass plays nice and you don't have an extreme problem with it, get a better amp AND tell your guitarists to turn down.

[muthafunkabass]

I'd honestly go for the amp. If your bass plays nice and you don't have an extreme problem with it, get a better amp AND tell your guitarists to turn down.
Best post in the thread, i second it.

[MasterofBass]

Best post in the thread, i second it.

haha, thanks. :thumb:

I actually forgot one important thing. DON'T GET THE HOPPUS BASS!!!!

[Hardinge]

go for an amp

[Munky_Jam]

Fender site says it's the Mark Hoppus Jazz Bass, but P-Bass pickups and a P-Bass neck tell me that it ain't no jazz, it's just a P that got left out in the sun too long and melted a bit.
I guess they're going on the jazz body but its a bit of a joke anyways. (I have played these and i liked it but thats not the point).
Anyway man get an amp, a **** hous bass can sound good through a good amp (btw your squire isn't a POO BAss anyway) but a great bass will always sound **** through a crap amp

[bassist_for_a_band]

dude i said... if not the hoppus then make a damn suggestion.. because there's not one other bass out there i'd actually want or use. and a fender precision is a waste of $379, because it's exatcly the same thing i have but with a different name on the headstock.


but even if i go for the amp... i need to be able to get my dad to let me take money out of the bank. a local shop has a hartke full stack (410, 115, and a good head). i'd go with the head and the 410, but i don't think i can afford them both yet. if i can get the money, i'd at least get one of em, and save up for the other one. i could at least ask if they'd be willing to hold it for me. hell, if i got the 4x10, i could run the head i have through it. that head being the one in the combo. i mean, if i switch the cords. but thatd be pointless right? hmm... is there a way to find how much the speaker handles? i could buy the new head, and run that head through the speaker

so yea... if i don't get the hoppus, there's not really much else to get. probably a fender jazz though. then i could mod it later or something.
but i'll probably go with the amp. im doing better in school so hopefully i can convince my dad to let me get some bank money, then run up to the shop and pickup some stuff.



edit-
and is there ANY fender precision with a maple fretboard? i like the look of them and would love to get one... but almost no precision basses have them! i wouldn't be able to go find a different neck and put it on and all... so im probably stuck with the rosewood

[bbbbass]

Through a good amp, the worst of basses can sound ten times better. Get a good amp and you'll be happy.

*Ashdown FTW*

[Munky_Jam]

dude you have to convince your dad of the importance of this over the bass, especially if you want to do it outside of your bed room

[TheBassStylee]

yea -- see if you can get the whole rig, thatd be nice.
im sure your dad will lend you a few bucks if he knows youre serious.

> mike

[LewsTherin]

dude i said... if not the hoppus then make a damn suggestion.. because there's not one other bass out there i'd actually want or use. and a fender precision is a waste of $379, because it's exatcly the same thing i have but with a different name on the headstock.

edit-
and is there ANY fender precision with a maple fretboard? i like the look of them and would love to get one... but almost no precision basses have them! i wouldn't be able to go find a different neck and put it on and all... so im probably stuck with the rosewood

a) thats really all you get with the hoppus, that and a few extra ounces of wood.

b) the american series is available in both maple and rosewood.

[Mr. Pickle]

and a fender precision is a waste of $379, because it's exatcly the same thing i have but with a different name on the headstock.


i hope you're ****ing kidding...

[bassist_for_a_band]

how much would an american precision be? the only times i get money are christmas and my birthday... so thatd be like in a year that i'd have enough for another bass. i could maybe get a job but not many places hire 15 year olds


i've tried and my dad wont budge. on my progress report, i had three F's... he said i cant buy anything until i improve... so i doubt i'd be able to this month at all. at this point im only failign one class rather than three, and im doing so much better. i really don't think he'd consider changing his mind unless i had all C's. i'm doing the best I can but he will not ever change. it sucks
and i really really really doubt he'd give me ANYTHING to help get the whole amp... my mom left a while ago and its just him working nights to pay for a big house, two kids, himself, and a dog. i'm surprised to get 5 bucks a week, and thats only becuase i need it for lunch
i could talk to my mom but she bought me the $300 bass kit, a $250 psp, and $120 skates in the past few years... i doubt she'd hand over a couple hundered for an amp. a few of my friends are tryin to help me save though



yea american series is available w/ maple... but i'd never be able to save $999+
id be lucky to get a standard precision, let alone straplocks and pickups and all that other stuff

[Mr. Pickle]

do what i'm doing, get an MIM ________ and upgrade as you go. thats what i'm going to be doing with the jazz i'm getting.

[LewsTherin]

Well, theres this one, which isnt MIA i dont think, but has a maple fingerboard:
http://www.music123.com/Fender-50-s-P-Bass-i230416.music

And I think the americans that come in maple are $1k+

EDIT: you could also get an MIM ($380) and a Warmoth maple neck for $167

[bassist_for_a_band]

do what i'm doing, get an MIM ________ and upgrade as you go. thats what i'm going to be doing with the jazz i'm getting.
it's not like i have a choice... all i can do is save save save, then get whatever i can at guitar center. which would probably end up being a standard precision. which i'd later on mod with sbp-3 quarter pounders and whatever else i'd need on it
i'd sure as hell go with an american precision, but it'd take me forever and a day to save up a thousand dollars... im tryin to see about getting a job though

[Mr. Pickle]

geddy's and millers have maple fretboards i believe. perhaps you should check out the used market.

[bassist_for_a_band]

well the maple fingerboard isn't mandatory but i'd really like one if i could get it... but after this hartke ill probably go with a standard precision, and have guitar center throw in some quarter pounders

[bassist_for_a_band]

and... whatever i get is pretty much fully paid for by me and me alone.

it's rare i can order online, my parents never want to. our guitarist's dad could ebay for me or something, but i'd have to talk to him. and i dont trust ebay, or anything online for that matter.

[Mr. Pickle]

yeah, in my eyes, upgrading is much more rewarding, especially if you do the work yourself. my friend has a mim p that he did quite a bit of work on (got it for $130) and now it sounds spectacular.

[Mr. Pickle]

thats another thing. ebay can be a musicians best friend. i have about $800 worth of amplification stuff alone that would have costed me well over a grand new if it was for ebay.

[bassist_for_a_band]

yeah, in my eyes, upgrading is much more rewarding, especially if you do the work yourself. my friend has a mim p that he did quite a bit of work on (got it for $130) and now it sounds spectacular.
if only i knew anything...

i mean, if i had the bass and bought the pickups, i know how to solder and all... but i wouldn't want to **** it all up. doesn't guitar center do stuff like that?


but other than the pickups... is there anything else i'd want to consider?

[Mr. Pickle]

a bridge would be my next decision

[bassist_for_a_band]

a bridge would be my next decision
not a bad idea


would it be worth it strings through body? and do you know if GC could do that either? i wouldnt even know what kind to get or where though

[Mr. Pickle]

no, u dont need to make it a string-through, but look into the badass bridges

[bbbbass]

no, u dont need to make it a string-through, but look into the badass bridges

Badass Bridges are so over-rated.

[Mr. Pickle]

ok.

[bassist_for_a_band]

i was thinking it'd be easy to change bridges... but there's that ground wire or whatever, right? but it shouldn't be hard to solder one wire onto the bridge, eh?

if i get the fender one day, ill look into a badass II bridge

[Az_Holl]

i was thinking it'd be easy to change bridges... but there's that ground wire or whatever, right? but it shouldn't be hard to solder one wire onto the bridge, eh?

if i get the fender one day, ill look into a badass II bridge
You dont have to solder the ground to the bridge, you just have to make sure that they are touching :thumb:

[SLKBassist]

Possibly get a Fender P-bass special. That way you get a P and J pup. Then replace the p with a seymour duncan quarter pounder. Then to get the same sound as a hoppus, just turn the tone down. But at least you'll still have options if you choose to venture into other styles

[bassist_for_a_band]

Ok I went and took a look today.. They have a Hartke HA3000 head for like $430, a Hartke 410TP for like $360, and a Hartke 115TP for like $360. If I can get enough, I want to get the head and the 410... But it'd be a while before I could afford it all.

[shadow316]

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Bass/Electric?sku=510843

Err it is a Jazz bass acourding to that lol.

Well it has Precision Bass written on the headstock.

Therefore it is a Precision Bass.

:thumb:

[bassist_for_a_band]

Well it has Precision Bass written on the headstock.

Therefore it is a Precision Bass.

:thumb:The only thing Jazz about is is the body and pickguard... Why even call it a jazz or precision? Its just both thrown together

[bassist_for_a_band]

Well it has Precision Bass written on the headstock.

Therefore it is a Precision Bass.

:thumb:The only thing Jazz about is is the body and pickguard... Why even call it a jazz or precision? Its just both thrown together

[Hardinge]

u could get the badass III

[JBass]

sell your amp and your bass pick up some extra cash and see if you can get both...if you have 500 to work with then maybe like an extra 150-200 could get you a decent bass and a better amp

[Akira]

If your bass works okay but your amp is ****, get a new amp.

[bassist_for_a_band]

sell your amp and your bass pick up some extra cash and see if you can get both...if you have 500 to work with then maybe like an extra 150-200 could get you a decent bass and a better amp
what? use punctuation.

im not selling my bass. i cant. i wouldnt be able to find a good one at a low price. i need a new amp. even if i sold the one i have i wouldn't be able to afford the one at the shop.
but my dad knows a guy who had some amp, i know nothing about it.... but hes bringing it today for me to take a look at, so i might end up with that. i have no idea.

if my dad would let me use my money in the bank, and if he and maybe my brother would help, i might be able to get the halfstack from the shop. it's like... $800 though. that leaves me with like $300 i still need to get. we know the guys at the shop and might be able to get it lowered a bit but i dont know.... but if i have to use my current amp at the show, im probably ****ed.

[darrell]

what? use punctuation.

im not selling my bass. i cant. i wouldnt be able to find a good one at a low price. i need a new amp. even if i sold the one i have i wouldn't be able to afford the one at the shop.
but my dad knows a guy who had some amp, i know nothing about it.... but hes bringing it today for me to take a look at, so i might end up with that. i have no idea.

if my dad would let me use my money in the bank, and if he and maybe my brother would help, i might be able to get the halfstack from the shop. it's like... $800 though. that leaves me with like $300 i still need to get. we know the guys at the shop and might be able to get it lowered a bit but i dont know.... but if i have to use my current amp at the show, im probably ****ed.

First off, it's not nice to criticize the posts of people who are helping you. Being that you are not helping me, learn to use the shift key on your keyboard.

If you're happy with your bass for now, I'd get a new amp. I'm happy with my Hartke. The head was about $380 and the cab was around $400. It's loud enough for about everything I do, and I still have a ton of headroom to add another cab. I would save up a little more before I go shopping for an amp. That's just my opinion...

Edit: One more thing... You said your guitar player is too loud. Do you have a drummer that he is trying to be louder than? If so, tell your drummer to play quieter. It's not THAT hard. Then tell your guitarist to turn down. You should be loud enough then.

And what's up with this PA that you are talking about? Why do you have to be louder than it? Can't you play through it as well? Mic your speaker and use your amp as a personal monitor.

[bassist_for_a_band]

well if i mic my amp, than I have no vocal mic. plus, apparently, to mic a bass amp or use the direct in would blow out the pa speakers we practice with. i tell my guitarist every day to turn down, he never listens. he's not even lead and he's way to loud. the drummer does play kind of loud though, too.


simply put, my amp is a piece of ****, and i need to find a way to get this hartke halfstack from the music store.

[darrell]

well if i mic my amp, than I have no vocal mic. plus, apparently, to mic a bass amp or use the direct in would blow out the pa speakers we practice with. i tell my guitarist every day to turn down, he never listens. he's not even lead and he's way to loud. the drummer does play kind of loud though, too.


simply put, my amp is a piece of ****, and i need to find a way to get this hartke halfstack from the music store.

Tell them again. If they don't do it, find a new band. If a simple request like "turn down" is too much for a guitarist, chances are he's an egomaniac, in which case it's not worth playing with him. If one person thinks they are greater than the whole, then it's obvious the band isn't going anywhere.

Start by telling the drummer to play quieter.

[bassist_for_a_band]

Yes our guitarist definitely shows off and ****... It pisses me off



Well the amp my dad's friend has... The brand name is Acoustic. I can't find it on Google, all the damn thing shows me is amps made for acoustic guitars. I can't find their website or anything. The head is an Acoustic model 230, with 350 watts. All the cabinet says is Acoustic in the upper right, and 104 in the upper left. He said the speakers are 8 inches, so I guess it's a 6x8. Maybe a 6x10. Something like that.


If I can, I'll take it to practice today, but I don't want to blow it out if it can't handle the bass. That's what I wanted to look it up for, was to see if it'd work with a bass.

[bassist_for_a_band]

I found this review of the cabinet... (http://www.activebass.com/resources/revmain.asp?i=5641) Apparently, it was made for use with a guitar, but works fine with a bass. Do you think it's worth a try? I don't know if I'd have my dad buy it or anything, but it'd at least work for practice and such.

[bassist_for_a_band]

Okay, here's (http://acoustic360.homeunix.net/products/main/230.html) a page about the head, and here's (http://acoustic360.homeunix.net/products/main/104.html) the cabinet

[bassist_for_a_band]

Ok well I've got a passive bass... Do I plug into the 0DB input or the -10 DB input?

[Mr. Pickle]

u could get the badass III

i could be mistaken, but isnt the badass III only for MIAs?

[doodooking]

Ok well I've got a passive bass... Do I plug into the 0DB input or the -10 DB input?

The 0db

Honestly, I'm finding this situation hopeless. You're in high school. If you can't get your grades up to c's, something's wrong; either you're retarded or you need to start studying more. For the love of god, high school's a breeze, get your act together and study. "Trying" isn't going to get you anything, "doing" will get you places.

As for your amp, sell your amp to get a couple bucks. Go look at avatarspeakers.com and look around. You should also look into used stuff other than the Hartke stack you saw. I got a Carvin 500 watt bi-amp head and a Peavey 215 for $350 used at a local music store.

Go look at craigs list and try find something there. Also ebay is good, just buy from a reputable seller. If you really just want loud stuff, I'd look at musicsupplycenter.com and sift through their legion cabs; they're made of particle board, but at least they make sound.

Look around, there are many deals to be had, you just need to put effort into it.

[bassist_for_a_band]

Dude shut the **** up. I just don't do my homework and my grades fall. I've been getting most of them up anyway.


I used this Acoustic amp today at practice, it worked quite well. I'm gonna have my dad buy it. The Hartke we have is actually our guitarist's, but we'll probably sell it anyway. I'm gonna get a new speaker cable for this amp I'm getting, and some picks and a few other things like that. Then I'll start saving for a new bass or something.


Everyone always tells me what I should get or look into... But I can not order anything online. I obviously don't have a credit car and my parents don't order anything for me. All I can ever do is save my own money, and buy something IRL. Which, in thise case, I finally did. I might end up getting that Hartke 115 and adding it on to the head I'm buying... But I don't know. But this amp works fine and I'm sticking with it, and I'll find out later what I should do next.

[Mr. Pickle]

like i stated before, i get damn near all of my stuff from ebay, have yet to use a credit card to buy any of it.

[bassist_for_a_band]

Dude. Is it that hard to understand. I can't order things online. I wouldn't want to. As if it's not enough that it's all overpriced, there's also shipping and handling, waiting to get it, needing a credit card.... And, you don't even see it until you've bought it. You can't trust anything online. I sure as hell don't

[StickNaving]

You don't trust anything online, yet you go to an online forum for advice.

Essentially, you're looking for advice that you can't trust?

[backsidetailslide]

It has pbass pickups, and a jazz body. I say its a pbass.

lowsound
dont forget the precision neck

[Mr. Pickle]

Dude. Is it that hard to understand. I can't order things online. I wouldn't want to. As if it's not enough that it's all overpriced, there's also shipping and handling, waiting to get it, needing a credit card.... And, you don't even see it until you've bought it. You can't trust anything online. I sure as hell don't

dude. is it that hard to understand? GO USED!! overpriced? it's cheaper than buying it new. i got a $430ish dollar cab for $350ish w/ the shipping included, thats overpriced? yes, you have to wait, but your saving a ton of money. 90% OF THE THINGS ON EBAY DONT REQUIRE A CREDIT CARD! maybe you need to start trusting people online, thats why ebay uses a feedback system. stop thinking that everyone on the internet is out to get you.



dont be ignorant.

[bassist_for_a_band]

dude. is it that hard to understand? GO USED!! overpriced? it's cheaper than buying it new. i got a $430ish dollar cab for $350ish w/ the shipping included, thats overpriced? yes, you have to wait, but your saving a ton of money. 90% OF THE THINGS ON EBAY DONT REQUIRE A CREDIT CARD! maybe you need to start trusting people online, thats why ebay uses a feedback system. stop thinking that everyone on the internet is out to get you.



dont be ignorant.
how am i the one being ignorant? you will not listen to me

i'm 15!! i don't have a job, i don't have money! even if i dont need a credit card, how the hell do i pay for thousand's of dollars of equipment online!? and what do you mean not overpriced?? the prices jump up at least like $100 just in the last hour!! there's also reserves, and buy it now is definitely overpriced. plus, like you even said, ITS USED!!! i bought a ****ing hartke kicback 12 combo for like $300, and it's a piece of crap!!! even if used stuff is cheap, then it sucks!! the hartke overheats, i can't turn it up over like halfway without it crackign and squealing or just cutting out, and i'm never audible even if the guitarist does turn down... i've never trusted used stuff, and i definitely don't now!! even if they have positive feedback or something, i still don't care! i'd rather pay more if i at least know that it's never been used and that i can at least get it fixed or replaced if it doesnt work
if i can't walk into a store hand them money and walk out with an amp, then i'm probably not doing it.

[bassist_for_a_band]

You don't trust anything online, yet you go to an online forum for advice.

Essentially, you're looking for advice that you can't trust?
**i dont trust salespeople online





happy now!?

[Thonk]

Then your Hartke is a piece of ****.

Not every single thing is a Hartke clone. Calm down, Pickle's just pointing some stuff out to you..And..you have $500 saved up according to your first post...yet, you don't have money to buy stuff online?

[bassist_for_a_band]

Then your Hartke is a piece of ****.

Not every single thing is a Hartke clone. Calm down, Pickle's just pointing some stuff out to you..And..you have $500 saved up according to your first post...yet, you don't have money to buy stuff online?
It's only a piece of **** because I ****ing bought it used.


I don't care if it will or won't be like the Hartke. I'm not risking a few hundred dollars to find out.


And lastly... I had approximately $490. I took out $20 for new strings. My dad's friend is letting me use an amp he has, and it seems to work fine. I'm going to buy it for $200*. Which leaves me with roughly $270. Definitely not enough to buy a [good] bass or amp in a store, let alone online.



*And yes, I am buying that amp used. But I actually tried it out first, made sure it'd work the way I needed it to. Which it definitely does. I'm going to get a new speaker cable, and clean the whole thing up real nice. And maybe have a shop take a look at it and make sure it's doing fine.
But chances are that's the last thing I'd buy used.
Oh and with the Hartke... I didn't get to play or even see it until it was bought, this being because our guitarist's dad was the one to actually buy it. Either way it was bought used and definitely sucks because of whatever the previous owner had done with it.

[Thonk]

Or maybe you just got a lemon?

[bassist_for_a_band]

Or maybe you just got a lemon?
Or maybe it was used and I doubt it would have been this bad if it was new so I'm not buying used stuff again and I don't trust used stuff and never even have


And you guys should let me make my own decision and save a bit more money just to make sure it's not used/crapped up

[Mr. Pickle]

how am i the one being ignorant? you will not listen to me

you're talking about something that you clearly dont have enough experience with.

i'm 15!! i don't have a job, i don't have money! even if i dont need a credit card, how the hell do i pay for thousand's of dollars of equipment online!?

if you have no money, why did you make a thread about buying an amp?

and what do you mean not overpriced?? the prices jump up at least like $100 just in the last hour!! there's also reserves, and buy it now is definitely overpriced.

it's not like you're getting it for free, of course there are price jumps, dont be a moron. you dont have to use buy it now, people usually dont use buy it now unless its a really good deal. (i used buy it now for my qsc and got a qsc 850 for $199) the reserves are usually set really low and even if you dont reach it, that doesnt mean the seller wont sell it to you. basically, nothing you said above helps your argument.

plus, like you even said, ITS USED!!! i bought a ****ing hartke kicback 12 combo for like $300, and it's a piece of crap!!! even if used stuff is cheap, then it sucks!!

more ignorance

the hartke overheats, i can't turn it up over like halfway without it crackign and squealing or just cutting out, and i'm never audible even if the guitarist does turn down...

it's a hartke, i'll leave it at that.


if i can't walk into a store hand them money and walk out with an amp, then i'm probably not doing it.

well, you're the one who's so hard up for money...



basically, millions and millions of people use eBay. do you suppose they all get ripped off and think all the used stuff on there is crap?

[bassist_for_a_band]

hm... I made the thread because I had a good $500 and wasn't sure what was the best thing to go with.

All I've ever heard about eBay was how someone got their money or item stolen, or crap like that. No one ever tells me they scored a deal on eBay or anything like that. And I never hear about scoring a deal with something used, either. But for example, my dad's bought many a used car. None of them were very good. As cheap as they may have been. Hmm... An 87 El Camino, for only $1200!? Well he put about another grand into it... And it sold for $1000. Yea, buying used is a great idea, huh?? Or the Grand Am he got may have been in a flood but they didn't tell him. The tranny went on this Aerostar. $300 bucks for my brother's S-10. It may have been cheap, but it was also such crap that it's been sitting for a few years and he's finally just selling it on eBay. But he's not going to use eBay to steal someone's money.



And my amp's not **** because it's Hartke but because it's used. It'd be like perfect if it wasn't used. If it was new it'd be warranted and I could at least get it looked at. There's a Hartke fullstack at a nearby shop that I almost got. Hartke may be cheaper, but it's damn good and I'd definitely get one if I had the chance.



So I don't get what died up your asshole, but all you seem to be saying is how used is no big deal and blah blah. Despite how much I'm not buying anything used. Except maybe that Ampeg 8x10 at a different local shop.... I wonder if that head with it is back from the shop yet...

[bassist_for_a_band]

Oh and whatever was said about me talking about something I don't know.... Well I come here and ask so someone can help me, and then I will know. But apparently the only thing anyone will tell me on here is that I should buy something used just because they say so.

It's like drugs or something... I should do it because it's a "good idea" or because you say it's okay? I don't care! I said no, and I'm not changing my mind, so don't try to ****ing convince me

[irishslappop]

is there anything good about this situation? reading this thread seriously made my brain hurt. like really bad.

didn't you once post pictures of your band? if i remeber correctly, your guitarist has long blonde hair and looks funny, why dont you just tell his *** to turn down or you quit. you have the rest of your life to find decent band members

[Mr. Pickle]

1) hatke is,............. well,............. junk in my eyes. the only hartke product i'd even CONSIDER purchasing at this point is an aluminum coned cab.

2) eBay has a FEEDBACK system. these are great indicators of how responsible and trustworthy the seller is. people dont lie about the feedback, they tell you what condition the product was in when they got it (compared to what the page says), how good the communication was, and usually how quickly it shipped.

3) i'm not saying on ebay you're going to find 50-60% of stuff, but many bargains nonetheless. if your dad bought a car THAT cheap, it's his fault for not checking it over and/or having a mechanic check it over. if there's a chance of you winning an item for over 50% off, then maybe you should start being skeptical. also, all of your examples are cars... cars could have many more unknown problems then amps, thus making your comparison useless. also, some sellers have return policies.

4) as far as, "my amp would be like perfect if it wasn't used" your an idiot. lemons occur, an hartke is by NO MEANS an exception. also, a lot of amps that you find on ebay are still under warranty.


it's pretty clear that you're just too stubborn to go used, so i'm pretty much done with this thread unless you say something else that's very idiotic and i must address it.

[Mr. Pickle]

Oh and whatever was said about me talking about something I don't know.... Well I come here and ask so someone can help me, and then I will know. But apparently the only thing anyone will tell me on here is that I should buy something used just because they say so.

It's like drugs or something... I should do it because it's a "good idea" or because you say it's okay? I don't care! I said no, and I'm not changing my mind, so don't try to ****ing convince me

are you sure you're 15? you seem to have a lot of troubles comprehending basic ideas.

i was talking about ebay, not your all-around diluted state of mind. used is a "good idea," but like i said, you're just too stubborn.

[bassist_for_a_band]

hm... well, the chance is probably slim to none that I'll randomly buy a new amp and it will be a so-called "lemon." any time i look on ebay, it mentions nothing about a warranty. and i dont think the seller would want to help me fix it if something happened.
i just dont trust ebay. i cant talk to the people face to face, i dont know them... all of that. I want to be able to play the amp before I buy it. i want to be able to take a good look at it and make sure it works. how can i trust people i dont know who live hundreds or thousands of miles away?

[bassist_for_a_band]

ok enough about the aluminum cones and ****. i dont care what you like or dont like. the one i have is aluminum cone... but still a pos. idk even know wth is good or not.

hmm... even if there is feedback, how do I know I won't be the one to get scammed? even if i trust it and they have positive feedback... i'm still broke and creditcardless. not that I would trust it. or if I can trust the seller, I can't trust the shipping company. And I honestly don't see any chance of saving that much money from going used or getting it online. even then... its used, its not as good... I just don't go with used stuff. Sorry I can't ****ing help it...

[bassist_for_a_band]

Okay. You know what. I'm going to go look at all the amps I can on eBay. If I find ANYTHING even worth considering, I'll come back on here and tell you I actually found a good auction.



EDIT-
I didn't find one darn thign actually worth buying. None of it is cheaper or is a deal... They all have like 5 or 6 days left, and you know the proce will skyrocket towards the end. I could get the same thing at the same price in a store or on a music site

[Mr. Pickle]

please, please, please, stop talking about credit cards. 90% of the time you dont need them. you really need to get out of the mind set that everyone is out to scam you, it just really isn't the case. ohh, and you can't trust the shipping company? (which is UPS 85% of the time) there's a reason why UPS is one of the most trusted + popular shipping companies...

"none of it is cheaper or is a deal..."

sentence or two later.

"they all have like 5 or 6 days left"



tell you what, how about you give me some amps you're looking at and i'll see if i can find you a deal on ebay.

[bassist_for_a_band]

Well I already have an amp, don't I? I made this thread... But then found someone who had a good amp, and now I'm buying it.


But I was pretty much looking for some kind of cheap but good Hartke or Ampeg.




But whatever. I'm done.

[Mr. Pickle]

if you say so.



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[doodooking]

This is hilarious, you don't trust EVERYTHING used because you bought a used combo that, god forbid, wore out? This isn't magic fairyland, everything doesn't last forever, what if the fault was yours? Does that make all used equipment bad?

Your basing your decision not to buy used on one incident, what if someone were to sell their Eden cab for $100 buy it now and they only used it for an hour just to make sure it works? Oh wait, its used, that means the bad used equipment devil messed with it and will make it break.

Everyone is trying to help you, but you know what? They should just stop, if you're just too damn retarded to realize deals are to be had, that just makes it easier for the rest of us to get those awesome deals, one less person to compete with. Oh wait, we're in magic fairyland and stuff doesn't wear out and all new things are good, hey guys, let's all go buy those new Berrhinger pedals and throw them off the roof, they last forever since they're new.

[irishslappop]

what is going on here? you dont trust ebay? do you trust the nasdaq stock exchange because perhaps you shoud look atthe price it is currently selling at. do you really think people would invst their life savings on a company that sold alot of, as you put it, "lemon" products? no. they wouldn't. and if you want something good, that is new, your going to have to shell out the cash, do yourself a favor and quit your band.

sorry if im harsh :rolleyes:

[bassist_for_a_band]

no duh i have to pay more for new stuff... I don't care. i pay more but i at least know its untouched and most likely works great. like i had already said...



but whether or not they "tried it to make sure it works," how could i know theyre not making it up? chances are theyre not, but I just dont trust people that easily. we trusted our friend that we had only known for a few months, and whats he do? steal $2500 from us. i just dont give out my trust easily. if i find something worth buying (on ebay for example), and i could actually get it, then i probably would. its just, i never know what to expect. some people are truthful, some just try to take your money. i just dont take the chance, even if it usually is my loss

chances are theres nothing to worry about if its used... but i just usually look for unused stuff first