View Full Version : Averages for music colleges.?
PERFECTXDARK
03-02-2006, 05:10 PM
Hmm ok so I was talking to a friend whos school band went to berklee and she told me you need a 90% average to get in,now I was already fine about going back to school and getting some of the requirred courses but getting a 90% average was a little scary to me...so if any of you can tell me the truth and alternate routes around berklee (like humbers averages,hurons,selkirks) that'd be a big big thanks.
post away.
Tryxx
03-02-2006, 05:23 PM
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=320945
Judging by that thread Berklee will take you if you can afford it. If you can't hack it you'll drop out and they still have your cash. :shrug:
Please do some research for once. All of the information should be on the college's websites.
Naminator
03-02-2006, 07:43 PM
for me its gpa 2.5 since ill be going there in 5 years
btw thats scholarship
Q: What high school GPA or SAT/ACT scores are required for acceptance?
There are no specific minimum cut-off grade point averages (GPA), college board scores, or class ranks in order to be considered for acceptance. However, the Board of Admissions (BOA) prefers grades of C+ and higher in English, Math, History, and Science. The BOA is also looking for SAT/ACT scores which are above the national average.
From the website
Mr. Pickle
03-02-2006, 08:10 PM
yeah man, you do make a lot of these threads about music colleges
as far as EADG
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PERFECTXDARK
03-02-2006, 08:22 PM
Yeah,because a life dream would be to go to a music college and study music...lol?
Left Shoe
03-02-2006, 08:23 PM
Yeah,because a life dream would be to go to a music college and study music...lol?
...o...
before you ask national ACT average = 27, sat average = 1240
Omega Red
03-02-2006, 08:26 PM
i have a 3.08. roughly an 81%. i got in
irishslappop
03-02-2006, 08:29 PM
all arts colleges are extremely leniet with grades. i guess they figure that mosts artists/musicans are dumbasses.
Omega Red
03-02-2006, 08:33 PM
all arts colleges are extremely leniet with grades. i guess they figure that mosts artists/musicans are dumbasses.
einestine(sp?) couldnt tie his shoes
HaVIC5
03-02-2006, 08:39 PM
He also couldn't speak fluently at 9. His parents thought he was retarded.
It's Einstein.
Left Shoe
03-02-2006, 08:41 PM
he also nearly failed math numerous times
PERFECTXDARK
03-02-2006, 09:03 PM
yeah im not to good at math in my case of science im on the verge of failing not because I dont try I just dont get all of it...but history is good same with english and of course music.
PERFECTXDARK
03-02-2006, 09:05 PM
all arts colleges are extremely leniet with grades. i guess they figure that mosts artists/musicans are dumbasses.
definre leniet with grades? haha im sounding like a really cocky bastard but hey I need to gey my info:)
Yeah,because a life dream would be to go to a music college and study music...lol?
Still, you don't always have to come here, you can just go to the school websites and find pretty much everything you need.
all arts colleges are extremely leniet with grades. i guess they figure that mosts artists/musicans are dumbasses.
No... artists and musicians just think different and have different priorities, I think. They also usually suck at math.
White_Summer
03-02-2006, 10:02 PM
definre leniet with grades? haha im sounding like a really cocky bastard but hey I need to gey my info:)
well most schools will focus more on your portfolio/audition rather than your grades, because your grades in no way reflect your artistic talent
HaVIC5
03-02-2006, 11:25 PM
well most schools will focus more on your portfolio/audition rather than your grades, because your grades in no way reflect your artistic talent
They might reflect your work ethic, though, which is why they'll take them into account anyway.
Az_Holl
03-02-2006, 11:32 PM
Einstein also played the violin, well that explains it.
The Brad
03-02-2006, 11:34 PM
No... artists and musicians just think different and have different priorities, I think. They also usually suck at math.
I don't really see how this can be entirely true since they are so closely related?
Az_Holl
03-02-2006, 11:37 PM
I don't really see how this can be entirely true since they are so closely related?
At this point i think you'd kind of have to define music... which usually ends up messy.
HaVIC5
03-02-2006, 11:39 PM
Einstein also played the violin, well that explains it.
I was the lead recently in a play, Steve Martin's Picasso at the Lapin Agile, which basically poses the question "what if a young Picasso before he painted the first cubist painting "Les Mademoiselles D'Avignon and a young Einstein, right before he publishes his paper on special relativity were to meet in a small bar in Paris?". During the play, the characters all discuss the nature of art and science and basically link the two together based upon the mechanics of inspiration. While the story of Einstein getting the idea for relativity while playing the violin is undoubtably myth, the way Einstein thought and was inspired is no different than the way Picasso thought and painted, or Bach thought and composed, or any of the great artistic geniuses.
I dunno, the whole symmatry between art and science has always been an interest of mine. Music is a great balance of the two.
radioheader
03-03-2006, 11:06 AM
...o...
before you ask national ACT average = 27, sat average = 1240
uh you sure about that? That sounds insanely high, especially for a national average.
Left Shoe
03-03-2006, 12:15 PM
uh you sure about that? That sounds insanely high, especially for a national average.
i googled it, go ahead and do more research if you want to prove me wrong there.
PERFECTXDARK
03-03-2006, 03:03 PM
aw **** ,im hopeing it will be a bit easyer to get in:(
radioheader
03-03-2006, 03:13 PM
i googled it, go ahead and do more research if you want to prove me wrong there.
I would very strongly like for that to be the national average, it would mean that we weren't a nation of idiots, but you are indeed wrong, as far as this site goes
http://www.act.org/news/data/04/states.html.
PERFECTXDARK
03-03-2006, 03:41 PM
I would very strongly like for that to be the national average, it would mean that we weren't a nation of idiots, but you are indeed wrong, as far as this site goes
http://www.act.org/news/data/04/states.html.
im canadian so you'd have ot find somthing that applies to me :) thanks
FenderSRX
03-03-2006, 03:50 PM
No... artists and musicians just think different and have different priorities, I think. They also usually suck at math.
actually most musicians are good at math. music uses lots of math, so you know its just kind of what happens.
PERFECTXDARK
03-03-2006, 04:19 PM
actually most musicians are good at math. music uses lots of math, so you know its just kind of what happens.
Thats a bit of a bias opinion,im a musician and im terrible at math,its my worse subject but music is my best subject? so yes music does use certain types of math but nothing technical,anyway back to the music college averages...
FenderSRX
03-03-2006, 05:23 PM
Thats a bit of a bias opinion,im a musician and im terrible at math,its my worse subject but music is my best subject? so yes music does use certain types of math but nothing technical,anyway back to the music college averages...
well do you read music? that has a lot to do with the muscianship.
Left Shoe
03-03-2006, 05:28 PM
I would very strongly like for that to be the national average, it would mean that we weren't a nation of idiots, but you are indeed wrong, as far as this site goes
http://www.act.org/news/data/04/states.html.
im not sure what site i got my info off of i just googled " national ACT average" and some site said that so i went with it, thanks for the correction
PERFECTXDARK
03-03-2006, 06:02 PM
what are the ACT's and what do they do for you and when do I do my SATS
HaVIC5
03-03-2006, 07:20 PM
actually most musicians are good at math. music uses lots of math, so you know its just kind of what happens.
Just because something uses math in it a lot doesn't mean it's a particularly advanced form of mathematics. If you break down all the components of music theory into mathematical principles, the math involved is quite elementary. Now, the thought processes involved in understanding upper level, abstract music theory and its application aren't too far off from the processes involved in understanding upper level, abstract mathematics, but they definitely aren't indelibly linked.
thelowsoundofbass
03-03-2006, 07:25 PM
No... artists and musicians just think different and have different priorities, I think. They also usually suck at math.
So you are saying that me and my two other friends that play bass suck at math? You are wrong, we are one two and three in the our school for math marks (on the high end).
lowsound
thelowsoundofbass
03-03-2006, 07:26 PM
Just because something uses math in it a lot doesn't mean it's a particularly advanced form of mathematics. If you break down all the components of music theory into mathematical principles, the math involved is quite elementary. Now, the thought processes involved in understanding upper level, abstract music theory and its application aren't too far off from the processes involved in understanding upper level, abstract mathematics, but they definitely aren't indelibly linked.
Music is just patterns, when you break it down thats all that is really involved. IMO at least.
lowsound
HaVIC5
03-03-2006, 07:27 PM
So you are saying that me and my two other friends that play bass suck at math? You are wrong, we are one two and three in the our school for math marks (on the high end).
lowsound
He had a qualifier "usually" in there. Don't take it personally. :thumb:
I personally love math, but am not very good at it. Oh well.
HaVIC5
03-03-2006, 07:29 PM
Music is just patterns, when you break it down thats all that is really involved. IMO at least.
lowsound
Exactly, patterns. One skilled in music theory can see basic underlying patterns in music which would completely elude and baffle the laymen, like one adept in mathmatics would see simple, elegant patterns in formulas that would be equally and incomprehensible to the average Joe. They really aren't that different in the abstract arena, its just lies in which skill you hone.
thelowsoundofbass
03-03-2006, 07:32 PM
Exactly, patterns. One skilled in music theory can see basic underlying patterns in music which would completely elude and baffle the laymen, like one adept in mathmatics would see simple, elegant patterns in formulas that would be equally and incomprehensible to the average Joe. They really aren't that different in the abstract arena, its just lies in which skill you hone.
I don't know much music theory (well I don't know what most of stuff is called), but I see patterns all over the place in how the notes relate to each other and in time signatures and what not.
lowsound
HaVIC5
03-03-2006, 08:34 PM
The more complicated stuff you know the simpler it all seems to become.
PERFECTXDARK
03-03-2006, 10:08 PM
hmmm so back to the music colleges and what my averages have to be to get into humber or berklee.
AND
What is a ACT and SAT thanks:)
White_Summer
03-03-2006, 10:26 PM
humber you need a 65, with 6 U courses, for their degree, for the diploma you need a 65 average in any level
PERFECTXDARK
03-03-2006, 10:52 PM
hmm im taking applied at the moment,can't I go back and raise it to academic though?
PERFECTXDARK
03-03-2006, 10:53 PM
humber you need a 65, with 6 U courses, for their degree, for the diploma you need a 65 average in any level
Im taking applied at the moment so I cant I go back and take academic courses so I meet the requirements for it?
Mr. Pickle
03-03-2006, 11:12 PM
the ACT is basically a college placement test that determines how well you would do in college, i believe. i'm taking mine in april.
PERFECTXDARK
03-04-2006, 12:00 AM
the ACT is basically a college placement test that determines how well you would do in college, i believe. i'm taking mine in april.
thanks:thumb: do you have to take the SATS if you take teh ACT?
asshead27
03-04-2006, 01:05 AM
i think that for the most part, as far as canadian colleges go atleast, i think that your acceptance has alot to do with your audition and entry theory test. as long as you have the prerequisite highschool courses completed, then i dont know if they really even look at your grades to much. dont get me wrong, they're obviously going to be watching your grade, but if you go into your auditions and wow them with your playing, then get a really good mark on the entry threory test, then acceptance should be no problem.
Mailman
03-04-2006, 01:59 AM
So you are saying that me and my two other friends that play bass suck at math? You are wrong, we are one two and three in the our school for math marks (on the high end).
lowsound
I wouldn't qualify your bass playing as music.
HaVIC5
03-04-2006, 09:11 AM
thanks:thumb: do you have to take the SATS if you take teh ACT?
The SATs and ACTs are largely interchangable, and it's getting to the point where most schools will accept either score. Both are used to measure scholastic ability.
So you are saying that me and my two other friends that play bass suck at math? You are wrong, we are one two and three in the our school for math marks (on the high end).
lowsound
I said usually, not always. TS sucks at math. So do I, I failed it in grade 10.
I also hate when people say music and math are closely related because (as far as I can tell) they are definetely not. If they where, how do you explain how my math was 44% and my music was 98%? The only math I see used in music is things like basic division for breaking measures down and doing irregular groupings, adding beats to find out a time signature, using basic addition to find intervals.
I think if music was similar to any subject, it would be physics instead of math.
humber you need a 65, with 6 U courses, for their degree, for the diploma you need a 65 average in any level
I thought Humber was a college, what are they doing requiring U courses? I thought colleges weren't allowed to do that.
He had a qualifier "usually" in there. Don't take it personally. :thumb:
I personally love math, but am not very good at it. Oh well.
Thank for you paying attention.
Duncster
03-04-2006, 01:02 PM
To Brandon
Figure it out your self you lazy bastard.
Your asking people to answer your questions, when they have the same resource as you. THE INTERNET. Your asking other people you don't even know to do your research so you don't have to.
I know the point of the forums is to help people but sometimes....
Just stop wasting these kind peoples time.
BassVirtuoso
03-04-2006, 01:53 PM
I have to take 3 SAT IIs to even apply for Johns Hopkins...jeez...
PERFECTXDARK
03-04-2006, 11:15 PM
To Brandon
Figure it out your self you lazy bastard.
Your asking people to answer your questions, when they have the same resource as you. THE INTERNET. Your asking other people you don't even know to do your research so you don't have to.
I know the point of the forums is to help people but sometimes....
Just stop wasting these kind peoples time.
Yeah but see,mx is to chat and ASK questions so this is asking questions? makes sense :eek:
Naminator
03-06-2006, 07:48 PM
i dont need sat scores sinc eim international, i just need my TOELF scores and thats it, oh and gpa of 2.5 or above
aarono
03-06-2006, 08:00 PM
To Brandon
Figure it out your self you lazy bastard.
Your asking people to answer your questions, when they have the same resource as you. THE INTERNET. Your asking other people you don't even know to do your research so you don't have to.
I know the point of the forums is to help people but sometimes....
Just stop wasting these kind peoples time.
I'm not being forced to read what everyones written, nor am I forced to write what I'm writing right now. I do it because I want too, and could careless if he posted questions everyday.
Munky_Jam
03-06-2006, 08:03 PM
He also couldn't speak fluently at 9. His parents thought he was retarded.
It's Einstein.
He was he had Aspergers
Duncster
03-06-2006, 08:06 PM
I'm not being forced to read what everyones written, nor am I forced to write what I'm writing right now. I do it because I want too, and could careless if he posted questions everyday.
Well I did care. He asked multiple questions which people answered for him because they simply weren't as lazy as him. I'm trying make him a better person really! :lol:
PERFECTXDARK
03-06-2006, 10:24 PM
I'm not being forced to read what everyones written, nor am I forced to write what I'm writing right now. I do it because I want too, and could careless if he posted questions everyday.
Thanks you...were not all here to brag about our $10,000 6-string carl thompson fretless,were here to ask questions about music itself and accually have a future in it.
/ends rant
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