Tribal sounding drum grooves/beats

[Cicatriz-ESP]

Anyone know any tabs for a tribal sounding drum beat or groove. Ive been listening to alot of Cult of luna, meshuggah, Tool, and neurosis and the drummers pull off some amazing sounding drum beats using their toms. Id really like to learn to play in the style. I hope this question isnt too noob haha.

[xeonman9000]

Make up your own, but try to stay away from just singles around the toms, they sound crap (unless you're Carey, in which case I'll let you off).

[Carn]

well, if you know how they sound, what keeps you from playing them?

[Corkofski]

Soulfly

[Killjoy]

^^^^123 :d

[milkmit]

don't know if this is exactly the sort of thing you're looking for, but check out this beat:
http://www.obleek.com/stuff/musiciansforums/mm_truckers_atlas.mp3

this tab isn't perfect (for one, it's missing the ride bell on the first beat), but this is how I play it:

..|1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + |
HH|-------X-X------|
T1|--------------oo|
T2|oo----o-o-------|
FT|--o-------------|
SD|----f-------f---|
BD|o--o-o-----o----|
...rlr.R.rlrl..R.rl


which is easier than it might seem at first, because it's simple RLRL sticking, with a couple breaks and flams.
and, of course, the R for the two flams indicates a lR flam (it just seems easier that way for sure), as opposed to a rL flam....and the hats are open when struck.

the full song is here: http://www.obleek.com/stuff/mm_truckers_atlas.mp3

it's good stuff. 12 minutes long, and the second half is a nice, extended groove that builds up.

[crumbface230]

what is the font for making tabs even out? dsorry if this is considered spam or anything.

[Loser]

what is the font for making tabs even out? dsorry if this is considered spam or anything.


courier new.

[We_Love_Lime]

courier i belive...

[FockerTheLopper]

All about odd accents keeping osantios going with the feet which will be counter melodies to the hands and keeping it smooth

[InCasinoOut]

don't know if this is exactly the sort of thing you're looking for, but check out this beat:
http://www.obleek.com/stuff/musiciansforums/mm_truckers_atlas.mp3

this tab isn't perfect (for one, it's missing the ride bell on the first beat), but this is how I play it:

..|1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + |
HH|-------X-X------|
T1|--------------oo|
T2|oo----o-o-------|
FT|--o-------------|
SD|----f-------f---|
BD|o--o-o-----o----|
...rlr.R.rlrl..R.rl


which is easier than it might seem at first, because it's simple RLRL sticking, with a couple breaks and flams.
and, of course, the R for the two flams indicates a lR flam (it just seems easier that way for sure), as opposed to a rL flam....and the hats are open when struck.

the full song is here: http://www.obleek.com/stuff/mm_truckers_atlas.mp3

it's good stuff. 12 minutes long, and the second half is a nice, extended groove that builds up.
there should be a ghost note right after the snare flams. but yeah, trucker's atlas is awesome:thumb:

[crumbface230]

::::1___2___3___4___
HT1:--00------------
MT1:------00------00
FT1:----00----0000--
FT2:00------00------


a kool beat i recently just played and i like it

[I<3DoubleBass]

try this, play quarter notes on the BD, or 8th notes if you have DB and do paradiddles on random toms and make a nice little pattern. it worked for me :-p

also, freel free to use other rudiments other than paradiddles, i just like those the most =P

[conniption]

You could do triplet figures, using two hits on a tom, then one hit on a bass drum. Its more of a fill, but it sounds cool and is pretty simple. It would probably work as part of a whole figure.

[_R2D2_]

don't know if this is exactly the sort of thing you're looking for, but check out this beat:
http://www.obleek.com/stuff/musiciansforums/mm_truckers_atlas.mp3

this tab isn't perfect (for one, it's missing the ride bell on the first beat), but this is how I play it:

..|1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + |
HH|-------X-X------|
T1|--------------oo|
T2|oo----o-o-------|
FT|--o-------------|
SD|----f-------f---|
BD|o--o-o-----o----|
...rlr.R.rlrl..R.rl


which is easier than it might seem at first, because it's simple RLRL sticking, with a couple breaks and flams.
and, of course, the R for the two flams indicates a lR flam (it just seems easier that way for sure), as opposed to a rL flam....and the hats are open when struck.

the full song is here: http://www.obleek.com/stuff/mm_truckers_atlas.mp3

it's good stuff. 12 minutes long, and the second half is a nice, extended groove that builds up.

i just cant get my hats to sound that precise.:mad: Whoever is playing that has some excelent control.

[Loyton]

I just did an improv tribal jam, demonstrating how you can can base an entire tribal beat off of somthing as simple as one rudiment. In this case, I just played a flam accent and played the rest off the top of my head.

Excuse the recording quality, I didnt record with my main set of stuff.

A flam accent is FLAM RIGHT LEFT. (obiously) Here I just played FLAM RIGHT LEFT FLAM RIGHT LEFT RIGHT.

http://media.putfile.com/Tribal-Flam-Tap


Eh its sloppy but I dont care it gets the point across. I might play a kickin version of it for some part of the solo contest, but I dout it.

[Sick-O]

Soulfly

^^^^123 :d

123 most definatly.

[milkmit]

i just cant get my hats to sound that precise.:mad: Whoever is playing that has some excelent control.

stick to it man! I was able to play it half-decent about 10 months into playing.. just a couple months prior, I was like "how could anyone on earth play it so fast?"....but now it flows very well.

the hats are a bit tricky, though. it sounds like they're closed between 16th notes (they're only open for a 32nd note each).

[CARMEN77]

Loyton that was so ****ing bad ***. Do you have aim by any chance? Or yahoo?

[CaptainWaits]

Listen to Leon Parker....He's great for that stuff!

[Drum Phil]

Soulfly

*coughsepulturacough*

:)

[Loyton]

Loyton that was so ****ing bad ***. Do you have aim by any chance? Or yahoo?


Thanks man, but it really wasnt that great. Mabye Ill try rerecording somthing REAL cool for you if I get more time.

I use msn darkeyez@hotmailcom

[Jezen]

A flam accent is FLAM RIGHT LEFT.

No it's not.

[Loyton]

No it's not.

Uhh.. yes it is.

Flam Accent right here.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a120/loyton/21flamaccent.gif

[chickensandwiches]

tribal beats sound cool but it really needs a creative melody to go with it

[Swiftay]

Another pretty cool tribla-ish beat is the one at the very start of Megadeth - Addicted to Chaos, quite easy too.

Here it is! Well, it sounds right at least, i just tabbed it, but yeah! here ya go.

T1|-o-----o|
T2|--o---o-|
SD|----f---|
BD|o--o-o--|

[Electric Requiem]

tribal beats sound cool but it really needs a creative melody to go with it

I disagree. One of the best things about tribal beats is that because of the toms, theyre great for soloing.

On another note, I listened to truckers atlas and it impressed me more than any other mm song Ive ever heard. I wasnt a fan at all but I really liked that song. Anyways, if someone could recommend more good mm with good drums, that would be great.

[Siamese Dreams]

Uhh.. yes it is.

Flam Accent right here.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a120/loyton/21flamaccent.gif


pwnd.

[Jezen]

Not pwned in the slightest. He forgot the other half.

Is a paradiddle RLRR RLRR? No.

The picture he provided was different to his description. I know what you meant, but I decided to be nitpicky, and so it seems I have won the argument.

[Motleyguy]

Not pwned in the slightest. He forgot the other half.

Is a paradiddle RLRR RLRR? No.

The picture he provided was different to his description. I know what you meant, but I decided to be nitpicky, and so it seems I have won the argument.

actually, you don't. A paradiddle isn't RLRR LRLL either...that would be...2 paradiddles. 1 paradiddle would be RLRR OR LRLL. So he was right, making you wrong. Making you look like a dumb****...next time think before you run your mouth, or in this case, er...fingers?

[Jezen]

No 'dumb****', I have the Vic Firth poster of the PAS Official 40 Rudiments right behind my computer screen. ONE PARADIDDLE is notated as RLRR LRLL.

Oh and another thing, you are supporting Loyton's argument against me, yet your primary argument heavily contradicts the information he gave. He showed a picture of lR L R rL R L. Even though it's clear that is a Flam Accent, he still said "Flam Accent right here", and not "Heres a couple of Flam Accents".

In future don't call me a dumb**** when you are wrong. It makes you look worse.

next time think before you run your mouth, or in this case, er...fingers?

Hold on, you accuse me of running my mouth/fingers, when you were the first to swear. Ha ha. Clever boy.

[Siamese Dreams]

Well I think loyton was trying to get his point across by explaining HOW he played his beat which was only using half of the actual rudiment. But the picture that he posted WAS right. And i'm not positive what ONE paradiddle is. I would think it would just be the rlrr OR lrll because, you know when your trying to explain a paradiddle and you actually say PARADIDDLE while playing? Similar to saying any 3 sylable word when trying to explain a triplet...

[chickensandwiches]

MOOOOOORTAL KOMBAT!!! duhn duhn duhduhduhn duhn

all these strong words!

[Loser]

Let's get in a heated internet flamefest over paradiddles and flams.

[chickensandwiches]

that would be grand

[Swiftay]

grand? i think you mean, grande, you dumb****.

:p

[chickensandwiches]

oh be nice spatula

:p :p

[Loser]

grand? i think you mean, grande, you dumb****.

:p


I doubt he did, he's speaking english, not spanish.

[DuckinFutch8]

I disagree. One of the best things about tribal beats is that because of the toms, theyre great for soloing.

On another note, I listened to truckers atlas and it impressed me more than any other mm song Ive ever heard. I wasnt a fan at all but I really liked that song. Anyways, if someone could recommend more good mm with good drums, that would be great.


The old stuff is probably more to your liking.

Jeremiah Green is a great drummer

Perhaps "This Is a Long Drive for Someone with Nothing to Think About" and
"The Lonesome Crowded West" are two albums you might like more. Dramamine would be a good track to check out, can't think of any others at the moment, sorry...

[Electric Requiem]

The old stuff is probably more to your liking.

Jeremiah Green is a great drummer

Perhaps "This Is a Long Drive for Someone with Nothing to Think About" and
"The Lonesome Crowded West" are two albums you might like more. Dramamine would be a good track to check out, can't think of any others at the moment, sorry...

thanks, Im glad somebody answered my question even though the thread turned into a rudiment battle

[DuckinFutch8]

Oh, and the album Sad Sappy Sucker.

That has some truly great drumming...

[Bub]

I made a thread to this some time ago, its on about page 4 of Advanced so I don't expect you to see it...

http://musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=426510

Got some good stuff in there!

[Loyton]

No 'dumb****', I have the Vic Firth poster of the PAS Official 40 Rudiments right behind my computer screen. ONE PARADIDDLE is notated as RLRR LRLL.

Oh and another thing, you are supporting Loyton's argument against me, yet your primary argument heavily contradicts the information he gave. He showed a picture of lR L R rL R L. Even though it's clear that is a Flam Accent, he still said "Flam Accent right here", and not "Heres a couple of Flam Accents".

In future don't call me a dumb**** when you are wrong. It makes you look worse.



Hold on, you accuse me of running my mouth/fingers, when you were the first to swear. Ha ha. Clever boy.



Im right. Idiot, think twice.


What I posted IS a flam accent, what I was talking about "FLAM RIGHT LEFT" IS a flam accent, and I said directly after "BUT I PLAY FLAM RIGHT LEFT FLAM RIGHT LEFT RIGHT" which I did NOT say was a flam accent, but a rather a varient.

I AM right. Make your next post very clear to avoid confusion.

That is a flam accent, no "opinion" about it.

[Jezen]

Don't call me an idiot. What started as a nitpicky joke, turned into a heightened argument. 'FLAM RIGHT LEFT' isn't a Flam Accent. It's only half of one. The picture you posted is a Flam Accent.
Next you try to pick me up on clarity. You didn't state the flam's direction, so it may aswell be a quarter of a Swiss Army Triplet.

[Hyde]

123 most definatly.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?!?!?!

It's been hurting my brain for months now!

[Swiftay]

I doubt he did, he's speaking english, not spanish.

haha yeah, well, spanish is cooler...:(

[Hyde]

MOOOOOORTAL KOMBAT!!! duhn duhn duhduhduhn duhn

all these strong words!

That was awesome. I shake thy cyber hand.

[Jezen]

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?!?!?!

It's been hurting my brain for months now!

Somehow, it means "I agree".

[moogoogaipan]

Loyton... I liked your rhythm, but it seemed more of a rock pattern than a tribal pattern. I don't know, it probably could be classified as tribal fairly,
I just think tribal has more of a melodic approach than a rhythmic approach.
Ostinato in the low end and melodic in the high end

[Supro]

I just did an improv tribal jam, demonstrating how you can can base an entire tribal beat off of somthing as simple as one rudiment. In this case, I just played a flam accent and played the rest off the top of my head.

Excuse the recording quality, I didnt record with my main set of stuff.

A flam accent is FLAM RIGHT LEFT. (obiously) Here I just played FLAM RIGHT LEFT FLAM RIGHT LEFT RIGHT.

http://media.putfile.com/Tribal-Flam-Tap


Eh its sloppy but I dont care it gets the point across. I might play a kickin version of it for some part of the solo contest, but I dout it.
are you using a double kick here? like in the main beat before you start using the cymbols.

[FockerTheLopper]

No 'dumb****', I have the Vic Firth poster of the PAS Official 40 Rudiments right behind my computer screen. ONE PARADIDDLE is notated as RLRR LRLL.

Oh and another thing, you are supporting Loyton's argument against me, yet your primary argument heavily contradicts the information he gave. He showed a picture of lR L R rL R L. Even though it's clear that is a Flam Accent, he still said "Flam Accent right here", and not "Heres a couple of Flam Accents".

In future don't call me a dumb**** when you are wrong. It makes you look worse.



Hold on, you accuse me of running my mouth/fingers, when you were the first to swear. Ha ha. Clever boy.
Ouch... The wraith of british boy. I don't know how anyone could call him a dumb**** after he gave us that video of his influences that we all learned from.

[Jezen]

It's cool. I like arguing. I don't appreciate being called names, but practicing being in a debating situation like this is healthy (IMO).

[milkmit]

The old stuff is probably more to your liking.

Jeremiah Green is a great drummer

Perhaps "This Is a Long Drive for Someone with Nothing to Think About" and
"The Lonesome Crowded West" are two albums you might like more. Dramamine would be a good track to check out, can't think of any others at the moment, sorry...

right on! I've always preferred their older stuff to the new, without a doubt.. but actually, I've been digging 'building nothing out of something' again.. I hadn't really listened to it much since before I started drumming about 14 months ago, and back then I didn't realize how great the drumming is on it. not as creative as LCW or 'long drive...', but there's a whole lot of good stuff going on.. those mixed fills at the end of 'neverending math equation', all the dynamic stuff on 'interstate 8' (lots of drags and accents and flams), and just the funnnn stuff going on in the drums for 'a life of arctic sounds' and especially 'other people's lives'.

as for stuff that sounds like 'truckers atlas'.. that's rough, because that's really a unique song for them. 'dramamine' is an awesome song, and is a lot of fun to play.. pretty easy, too.. 'novocain stain' is classic (in terms of what they're about, conceptually) and can be a lot of fun to play as well..
on LCW, check out 'teeth like god's shoeshine' and 'trailer trash' (lots of tom use and flams in the main beat, but not quite as grooovy as 'trucker's atlas')..

[moogoogaipan]

even though this thread was thoroughly hijacked... I want to still post this.
It's some tribal goodness.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=217875
called Tribal Gathering... take a listen... just something simple

[Loyton]

It's cool. I like arguing. I don't appreciate being called names, but practicing being in a debating situation like this is healthy (IMO).

Ah, I didnt see the other post you where reffering to eariler, its all good man I can see where we disagree now.

I think RLRR and LRLL are BOTH paradiddles, just like FLAM RIGHT LEFT or FLAM LEFT RIGHT (better written as lR L R rL R L so you know if its a right or left flam) is a flam accent.

[Motleyguy]

No 'dumb****', I have the Vic Firth poster of the PAS Official 40 Rudiments right behind my computer screen. ONE PARADIDDLE is notated as RLRR LRLL.

Oh and another thing, you are supporting Loyton's argument against me, yet your primary argument heavily contradicts the information he gave. He showed a picture of lR L R rL R L. Even though it's clear that is a Flam Accent, he still said "Flam Accent right here", and not "Heres a couple of Flam Accents".

In future don't call me a dumb**** when you are wrong. It makes you look worse.



Hold on, you accuse me of running my mouth/fingers, when you were the first to swear. Ha ha. Clever boy.

I really think you're reading the context of your poster in the wrong way. What would you call it if say you played a 2 beat pattern that was something like RLRR RLRL...Half of a paradiddle, and 4 singles...no it would a paradiddle and 4 singles. Use your head, think logically, obviously it says a paradiddle over top of a bar with RLRR LRLL because it is giving you an example of a paradiddle starting on both the left and right hands.

[Loyton]

I really think you're reading the context of your poster in the wrong way. What would you call it if say you played a 2 beat pattern that was something like RLRR RLRL...Half of a paradiddle, and 4 singles...no it would a paradiddle and 4 singles. Use your head, think logically, obviously it says a paradiddle over top of a bar with RLRR LRLL because it is giving you an example of a paradiddle starting on both the left and right hands.

Exactly.

[Motleyguy]

Yep, that's what I was thinking...

[Hyde]

Somehow, it means "I agree".

Thank you... my aneurysms has ceased.

[We_Love_Lime]

I really think you're reading the context of your poster in the wrong way. What would you call it if say you played a 2 beat pattern that was something like RLRR RLRL...Half of a paradiddle, and 4 singles...no it would a paradiddle and 4 singles. Use your head, think logically, obviously it says a paradiddle over top of a bar with RLRR LRLL because it is giving you an example of a paradiddle starting on both the left and right hands.


Agreed. I think you're correct Motley. But I'm not saying anything...

[Jezen]

I really think you're reading the context of your poster in the wrong way. What would you call it if say you played a 2 beat pattern that was something like RLRR RLRL...Half of a paradiddle, and 4 singles...no it would a paradiddle and 4 singles. Use your head, think logically, obviously it says a paradiddle over top of a bar with RLRR LRLL because it is giving you an example of a paradiddle starting on both the left and right hands.

Logically? First try thinking about where this little disagreement stemmed from. I was being nitpicky about the official notation of a PAS rudiment. If you told someone to play RLRR RLRL then I suppose you could hypothetically say "Oh yeah, a paradiddle and then RLRL" but I have decided to be nitpicky again.

RLRR RLRL is just a random sticking no?

No.

Inverted Triple-Paradiddle (half of).