How do you play this fill?

[delcypher]

http://www.free.xiaohost.com/download.php?file=4327c4b2f01ab5a1acc1880ad8397891

Hi i was wondering if anyone could listen to this mp3 and tell me how they think this fill is played and how it is written.

If anyone is intrested it's from Porcupine Tree's Deadwing album, the track is titled Halo

To me it feels like it's swung (swungs 16th maybe), but i'm not very knowledgable when it comes to swing, so i would appreciate some input.

Thanks in advance

[Jezen]

I have that album and Halo is a great song. Whereabouts is the fill? i.e. what time?

[Det_Nosnip]

First of all - great choice! Gavin Harrison is one of my favorite players, and Porcupine Tree is an amazing band. What I'm hearing in the lick is basically a beat of ghosted sextuplets with the first note accented (to maintain the backbeat), which could be played either as alternate stroke singles or as a paradiddle-diddle. It's going to be tough to make it sound as good as Gavin makes it sound, though!

[Jezen]

The fill from PT that always kills me is on the secret track 'She's Moved On' at around 0:30.

[delcypher]

Thanks for the quick replies, the fill is about 4 seconds in on the clip i uploaded, or 0:19 on the original song.

When you said it was 6-tuplet, did you mean like this?

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3686/beat8tx.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Jezen]

Oh yeah it's just a quick crushed sextuplet roll. It's all feel baby.

[delcypher]

so like the way i've got in the gif image or slightly differently?

[Jezen]

The .gif image doesn't make sense.

EDIT: Oh right now I see where my mistake is.

[tapioca]

so like the way i've got in the gif image or slightly differently?
the fill looks quite right in the gif.

[trysthedrummer]

Absolutely cracking song.

That's right at the start, When you said it was 6-tuplet, did you mean like this?

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3686/beat8tx.gif (http://imageshack.us) That can't be right. There's 3 semi-quavers there, so you would need 12 of those so it can be grouped as a sextuplet. (6 as quavers (quarter notes)).

Rememer, a tuplet is group of notes expanded over a specific duration of time. Eg, 5 eighth notes (quintuplet) over a time period of one crotchet (quarter note).

Even I'm getting confused just typing it out.

ANyway, I suggest you get In Absentia (2002) and check out the bonus disc, fantastic songs called Drown with Me and Strip the Soul << ones to check out.

[Det_Nosnip]

I hear 6 notes...first one on beat 4, the other 5 ghosted. So...what you have, but add two more strokes after the accented one and before the 3 you have.

[Dethoxy]

Absolutely cracking song.

That's right at the start, That can't be right. There's 3 semi-quavers there, so you would need 12 of those so it can be grouped as a sextuplet. (6 as quavers (quarter notes)).

Rememer, a tuplet is group of notes expanded over a specific duration of time. Eg, 5 eighth notes (quintuplet) over a time period of one crotchet (quarter note).

Even I'm getting confused just typing it out.

ANyway, I suggest you get In Absentia (2002) and check out the bonus disc, fantastic songs called Drown with Me and Strip the Soul << ones to check out.


he is right....the fill shown in that image is not a sextuplet its just a normal triplet....3 stroke in the space of one quater note...sextuplet is 6 strokes in the space of one quater note

[delcypher]

Thanks for the replies. I can indeed see your point with the grouping being a triplet rather than a sextuplet, albeit it's mathematically correct (6 semi-quaver sextuplets in the time it takes to play 4 semi-quavers, but as i am playing 3 sextuplets rather than 6 it is equivilant to 2 semiquavers, which makes the length work out okay) I'm guessing it's probably not good practise to write it like i did.

[Det_Nosnip]

Although I hate to make this even more complicated than it already is...

The song *does* have a wee bit of a cut-time feel to it, which could make what you're counting as 8th notes quarter notes and making those regular triplets.

[Magnum1978]

The fill from PT that always kills me is on the secret track 'She's Moved On' at around 0:30.

That is an awesome fill gavin does there BB. I spent a while figuring it out and learning it and I think I have it down. Not that I can play it even close to how well Gavin does...

To my knowledge, he plays it in 16th's like this:


**|4e+a1e+a2e+a3e+a4e+a|1
C |--------------------|X
HH|-----X--------------|-
S |Ogggg----gg-gg-gOO--|-
T1|--------------O-----|-
T2|-----------O--------|-
FT|--------O-----------|-
B |------oo------------|o

**|RllrrLffRllRllRlRL



Its just one of my favourite fills ever. SO tasty. Gavin is just all class :D