Should I switch to an apple?

[ak50324]

I was looking at new computers, and after reading about the new intel imacs, i decided to get one.

All i really ever do on a computer is do ameature photo/video/music editing, internet, and some kind of microsoft word(NOT office). I also don't play games, exept for the occasional Halo/unreal tournament game.

Thanks.

[asholle]

If you don't mind the extra cost, then go for it.

[FunkyMunky]

I heard macs suck

plus Ipods suck

and apples suck

[ak50324]

I heard macs suck

plus Ipods suck

and apples suck


I notice that you neglect to back up your AM-a-ZINGly, lofty thoughts about how those various things suck. Oddly enough, you seem to believe OTHER'S opinions on the one thing I was asking about, and then proceede to give out YOUR opinions(which is what I wanted) on things I didn't even ask for.

[A_Bass_Moment]

I say go for bananas cos they're yellow.
Oh sorry the joke thread is in the pit.
Sorry to bother you all

[ChodaBoy]

To be honest, I dont see the point. Its means you will have to adjust getting used to using the Apple machine, plus they arent as easily maintained and can cost more.

[Klown]

Stay with a PC, that's my advice.

[Turtle Soup]

I heard that the Apple's have trouble with the Intel processors

[Hep Kat]

I would just stick with PCs.

[Cain]

Apples are great. They may be harder to maintain, but on the other hand they have far less serious problems in general.

And "getting used to the Apple interface?" The Apple interface is one of the easiest ones to use on the planet. I really don't think he'll have a hard time.

I say go for it.

[PinkFloydFan082692]

I heard they get less breakdowns/crashes, so go ahead if your computer crashes a lot, and don't use msn

[PepsiMetal]

Why not just go with linux, and in case you don't like it, you can still install windows on that hardware.

[Klown]

Yes yes, Linux is good.

[Light Fantastic]

You pay extra cost for less compatibility, and if it gets broke you wont be able to fix it yourself.

Macs suck. :(

[Klown]

You pay extra cost for less compatibility, and if it gets broke you wont be able to fix it yourself.

Macs suck. :(
IM me plz.

Dan you delete this only after I say, ok? >: (

[chimp_spanner]

I wouldn't go as far as to say Macs suck. They're good computers. As are PC's...in the right hands. The only time I get, shall we say, upset and defensive is when a Mac user tries to tell me that, for example:

The quality of images created and/or edited on a Mac is superior

I can't possibly run a Pro sounding home recording setup on a PC

Songs produced on a Mac will sound better

My PC, like every other on the planet, crashes all the time, and a Mac simply never will

Macs are for Pro's, PC's are for home enthusiasts lol

And believe me, I've heard horse poop like that, and worse, so so many times. I supose it's more to do with the mentality of some ( certainly not all) Mac users, rather than the machine itself. But it's still all rubbish. Sure, I know of a few PC's - quite expensive ones too - that crash all the time. But their owners shouldn't be allowed to operate a toaster, let alone a computer. Perhaps it's fair to say that PC's do require that the user educate themselves on the nastier, more technical side of computing...for best results, and that isn't alot of peoples' idea of fun to be fair! Macs somehow tend to stay in one piece irrespective of the mental capacity of their user; equal opportunities computing I guess! ;)

When it boils down to it though, I'd say any computer is only really as good as its user. PC, Mac? In the right hands I'd say both are equally capable machines.

As a side note, I would say - correct me if I'm wrong - that PC's are more expandable, and upgrades are alot cheaper. I've also noticed that alot of my friends who use Macs are often left with unuseable software every time Apple decide to update their OS...maybe it doesn't happen as often as it seems though!

[Scoot]

I heard macs suck

plus Ipods suck

and apples suck

Yep.

[smart blockhead]

Hell no.

[I'm Charming]

Why not just go with linux, and in case you don't like it, you can still install windows on that hardware.


Best would be a Dual Boot(two partitions)...

One with Windows XP PRO and your choice of Linux distro.

EDIT: Macs=gay.... It's pretty much an overpriced paper weight that's only good for photo/video editing.

[rbv]

Since you're not into the games and such I think you should go for a mac. I can't possibly think of editing images/video on a pc, though maybe I'm just too used to working with my Final Cut Pro/ Macromedia Fireworks setup. Photoshop is on here too as well. Garageband is an excellent audio editing program as well. Internet compatiblity is very well done, you have your choice of firefox, opera, internet explorer as well as the exclusive Camino which is a very good browser. Finder is a thrill to work with, it's very easy to manage. There's a bunch of freeware as well that helps people to do things. If you like a reliable and steady machine that's great for editing I highly recommend a mac.

[Dinosawesome]

To be honest, I dont see the point. Its means you will have to adjust getting used to using the Apple machine, plus they arent as easily maintained and can cost more.
Well the thing about that is Apples are much more user friendly than PCs. They also require much less maintanence because they rarely freeze and don't have any virus/spyware problems.

Take me for example, I bought a 20inch screen G5 Mac about 18 months ago, at the same time my Dad bought a custom built PC. 18 months later I have never had a freeze, a virus or any spyware. I've never needed any new parts and althought I was previously a strict PC user, I have found the layout much easier to use. My old man on the other hand seems to need a new part every month, his computer is now slow and freezes up if too many programs are running- that's not to mention all the viruses and spyware he has to constantly delete.

So the moral of my story, is after 15 years of PCs and 18 months of Macs, I can now safely say I am converted to the better product(aka, the apple) for good.

[Damrod]

Yeah, what Nath said. I never bought anything apart from a Mac, and seeing what problems my parents have with their PC, I'm happy that I did so.

For the threadstarter: You should really ponder what you use the computer for:

Are you a hardcore gaming dude?
Then the Mac is not your 'weapon of choice' as it clearly can not compare with the PC when it comes to games available. And unfortunately the performance of ported games often sucks bad. Unreal is ok, but Halo really sucks if you do not have something like a Quad-Core G5 unfortunately...

Are you going for everyday business?
It's a tie IMO, what could speak for the Mac is that it's safer regarding viruses etc. Stuff like MS Office is available for the Mac as well, as well as some nice alternatives. The only thing you don't get is MS Access, it was never ported

Music/Video/Photo editing?
You get many good solutions shipped with every new Mac. Editing and processing for Sound, Video and Photos. So you would get a complete basic software package for your needs with your Mac. Many deem the iLife package a very solid and quite sophisticated, yet easy to use software


Everything like P2P has good and sometimes better equivalents on the Mac. If you have questions, feel free to contact me. Using a Mac for over ten years. I know the ups-and-downs well, and am willing to give a reasonable view on it :)

[Light Fantastic]

don't have any virus/spyware problems.
Now that's just not true.

[JohnXDoe]

I just have to chime in and say don't switch. Why? Because Apple claims it builds a better mouse trap? Even though their *** belongs to intel now. Welcome to crashing Macs. :p

In all seriousness though, I've had my PC for over two years now and Windows has never crashed and the intel has never failed. None of my components have. And the great thing about it is that if they did I could easily get what I need for it from newegg and be good to go in a couple of days. Low cost, do it yourself stuff.

And that's one of my favorite things about a PC. It truly is a PC. I know Apple likes to sell itself at times as the computer of the individualist. pfft. It's so impersonal. More appliance then a "personal computer". On this board and others it boggles the mind what you will read about PC's and what can be done to them. So much hardware available and upgrade potential. People tossing out mobos and swapping processors and changing vid cards and customizing cases and getting funky with the cooling. It truly is involving if you choose to get involved. And if you can appreciate these kinds of things and the potential it offers it actually endears the PC to you. Which is a a pretty good thing. Macs on the other hand seem to say "Here I am. I'm stylish. I'm hip. I'm different. So love me". No thanks.

And I don't have to tell you about software availability, prices, and versatility. PC has Apple beat hands down. And if you do game, well, PC is where it's at. And even if you don't, the potential is there. And that's nice.

So far as viruses and spyware and what not are concerned? Meh. Not an issue. And if it is, I quote REINER: "Just stop touching computers. You're not good at using them".

Bottom line: If you want a powerful, versatile machine that won't bust your budget, be good for years to come, is upgradeable and expandable to your hearts content, and is something you can truly feel involved with, get a PC. If you want a pretty, trendy toaster, get a Mac.

I love my PC. :)

[Riva]

I just have to chime in and say don't switch. Why? Because Apple claims it builds a better mouse trap? Even though their *** belongs to intel now. Welcome to crashing Macs. :p

In all seriousness though, I've had my PC for over two years now and Windows has never crashed and the intel has never failed. None of my components have. And the great thing about it is that if they did I could easily get what I need for it from newegg and be good to go in a couple of days. Low cost, do it yourself stuff.

And that's one of my favorite things about a PC. It truly is a PC. I know Apple likes to sell itself at times as the computer of the individualist. pfft. It's so impersonal. More appliance then a "personal computer". On this board and others it boggles the mind what you will read about PC's and what can be done to them. So much hardware available and upgrade potential. People tossing out mobos and swapping processors and changing vid cards and customizing cases and getting funky with the cooling. It truly is involving if you choose to get involved. And if you can appreciate these kinds of things and the potential it offers it actually endears the PC to you. Which is a a pretty good thing. Macs on the other hand seem to say "Here I am. I'm stylish. I'm hip. I'm different. So love me". No thanks.

And I don't have to tell you about software availability, prices, and versatility. PC has Apple beat hands down. And if you do game, well, PC is where it's at. And even if you don't, the potential is there. And that's nice.

So far as viruses and spyware and what not are concerned? Meh. Not an issue. And if it is, I quote REINER: "Just stop touching computers. You're not good at using them".

Bottom line: If you want a powerful, versatile machine that won't bust your budget, be good for years to come, is upgradeable and expandable to your hearts content, and is something you can truly feel involved with, get a PC. If you want a pretty, trendy toaster, get a Mac.

I love my PC. :)


*cheers*

[Damrod]

Now that's just not true.

Why? Since it's launch years ago, I read of the first more or less serious worm for OS X last week. Now it must be at least four years that OS X is on the market, so one possible serious worm against... I don't know, thousands of worms and virus for Windows this seems like a fair comparision :)


In all seriousness though, I've had my PC for over two years now and Windows has never crashed and the intel has never failed. None of my components have. And the great thing about it is that if they did I could easily get what I need for it from newegg and be good to go in a couple of days. Low cost, do it yourself stuff.

That's something I seriously want to doubt. I know nobody (and that means NOBODY) using Windows that had a machine not crashing in 2 years. XP and 2000 really got stable, but so far nobody told me their XP/2000 machine never crashed.


And I don't have to tell you about software availability, prices, and versatility. PC has Apple beat hands down. And if you do game, well, PC is where it's at. And even if you don't, the potential is there. And that's nice.

Software availability? Ever heard of a system called "Unix" or "Linux"? I can run about at least 90% the software availabel for UNIX/Linux native on my Mac. Without any additional software. Plus the software that any average user needs is available as native OS X version. Normal software is no longer an argument for or against a plattform. All three (Windows, Mac and UNIX/linux) are on par there IMO.

Correct me with good arguments there if you think I'm mistakin' :)

Bottom line: If you want a powerful, versatile machine that won't bust your budget, be good for years to come, is upgradeable and expandable to your hearts content, and is something you can truly feel involved with, get a PC. If you want a pretty, trendy toaster, get a Mac.

I love my PC.

:lol:

Sorry, that was just too good :thumb:


Seriously, regarding plattform choice, it just comes down to personal preference. The only real unbeatable point that speaks for Windows when it comes to computers is games, as Windows has the biggest share of games available, apart from game consoles. For everything else, or at least 98% there are suitable equivalents for on all other systems.

The highers price for a Mac comes with an extended software package, and "out of the box" ready to go. And as long as you only go for a self built PC, the Mac is more expensive. Most of for example Dell PCs in the same quality range as Macs are come at a similar price.

I could go well with a PC, they are just as fine as Macs. I just don't want the hassle of it. When I see that the graphics card of my parents PC broke the third time in two years, one complete unrecoverable crash of Windows, ****ing up the whole system with painful reinstall and data rescue... No thanks. Never had that on my Mac in 4 years I own it now. It just runs, does it's job, and that's fine.

If one looks for something else, fine. In the end: it's personal preference. Nothing less, nothing more

[Light Fantastic]

Why? Since it's launch years ago, I read of the first more or less serious worm for OS X last week. Now it must be at least four years that OS X is on the market, so one possible serious worm against... I don't know, thousands of worms and virus for Windows this seems like a fair comparision People have been exploiting UNIX systems since before Microsoft even existed.

Just because there is more market awareness of microsoft faults, it doesn't mean that Mac doesn't get it's fair share.

http://search.securityfocus.com/swsearch?sbm=%2F&metaname=alldoc&query=mac+os+x&x=0&y=0

[Damrod]

People have been exploiting UNIX systems since before Microsoft even existed.

Just because there is more market awareness of microsoft faults, it doesn't mean that Mac doesn't get it's fair share.

http://search.securityfocus.com/swsearch?sbm=%2F&metaname=alldoc&query=mac+os+x&x=0&y=0

None of those are related to virus or similar malicious code. Nobody denied that OS X has it's vulnable points. Apple usually pathes 'em up quick, and I have yet to see a report on malicious virus like code that spreads on it's own without using the stupidity of dumb users.

[JohnXDoe]

Correct me with good arguments there if you think I'm mistakin' :)
It's too early in the morning for good arguments. So I defer my rebuttal to Heavy Riva's post:
*cheers*
:p

But seriously, PC for all the reasons stated in my first post. And it is true, under heavy use but with good maintnance and program mangement my computer has never crashed. I've had certain programs close on me, but no fault of the computers. And when the computer first arrived with Norton Security Suite that thing glithced things up good. Got rid of Norton and it was taken care of. Good deal.

[Light Fantastic]

None of those are related to virus or similar malicious code. Nobody denied that OS X has it's vulnable points. Apple usually pathes 'em up quick, They all relate to virus code, as far as that's how arbitary code would be executed without you knowing it.

and I have yet to see a report on malicious virus like code that spreads on it's own without using the stupidity of dumb users.You won't though, because that's how all viruses work regardless of OS.

Not just in a Hey execute this! kind of way, but a 'stupid' user not patching programs or doing stuff hap-hazardly is just as dangerous.

[john123]

http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/5452/Why_Macs_Suck_A_Video_Rant

[Light Fantastic]

Stop using shoutwire as a reliable source for information plz.

[john123]

nah, its a google video

[Light Fantastic]

Well then don't help shoutwire in any way shape or form plz.

[ChodaBoy]

Just because there is more market awareness of microsoft faults, it doesn't mean that Mac doesn't get it's fair share.
Exactly, People always whine and bitch about how bad the Windows OS is before understanding that its actually an amazing piece of software. It gets a bad reputation because it is so popular, the same applies to iPods, so many people use them - of course there will be a negative response now and then.

And those who say "Macs are better for editing images/video/etc" (in most cases) probably dont know what they are talking about. The gap between IBM and Apple machines almost doesnt exist anymore, it all depends on how much you are willing to spend.

[john123]

didnt IBM design the powerpc processor?

[Damrod]

Not just in a Hey execute this! kind of way, but a 'stupid' user not patching programs or doing stuff hap-hazardly is just as dangerous.

Yeah, of course. Virus- and worm-software always depends on some stupidity here and there :) I was aiming the "Execute this" type though. So far the only malware I heard about on the Mac (apart from root-kits)

Sure this whole scheme would be the other way round if Windows would be the "underdog" OS.


And those who say "Macs are better for editing images/video/etc" (in most cases) probably dont know what they are talking about. The gap between IBM and Apple machines almost doesnt exist anymore, it all depends on how much you are willing to spend.

Exactly what I was trying to get across: It just comes down to personal preference. Neither of them is "bad" or "good", they have an equal amount of pros and cons

[PDWAB]

I used PCs all my life, and then about 8 months ago I got a Mac. Now I can't imagine going back to PCs. I love not having to worry about getting spyware and adware, and it just feels a lot better to me. Like Damrod said, it's just personal preference.

[spitfirejunky]

If you are familiar with the inner working of Windows, don't switch. Windows can run the best computers on the planet if you know how to tweak it.

[REINER]

OSX is the operating system for idiots. It's seriously made to be idiot-proof.

[Against Miik!]

I am getting an Apple laptop, but probably not one with the intel chip. I'm just sick of the hassle of having to instal virus software the second I take a PC outta the box. And since I already know how to fix macs, it wouldn't be a problem if something did happen, which it won't.

I would say get one.

[BigTrav415]

All I had to contribute was the Google Video that I got beat to. It's still a hilarious video.

Basically, I want a Mac to screw around with and maybe do video-editing on since it's supposedly way better, but I still want to stick with Windows. Besides Linux is already my "screw around with" OS.

[john123]

why would you think video editing is better on a mac?? they still export in the same format.

[Turtle Soup]

why would you think video editing is better on a mac?? they still export in the same format.
Listen, shutup. Garage Band is the LEADING program for music editing, and Final Cut is god for movie editing. Macs are THE BEST for music/movie/graphic design.

[REINER]

Umm it's actually all the same, there is no/very little performance difference beteen using a Mac or any other computer.

[chimp_spanner]

Garageband is what now? Was that serious? I was gonna go off on one lol but I don't wanna be captain obvious if it was just a joke...

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

I'm not really a big apple fan, but people who buy all the new Apple products when they come out are really lame. I had a teacher like that, and all he would do is complain about Windows. It got really lame. Plus he likes Pepsi.

[PepsiMetal]

Well if Mac gets more popular than windows and more people start using it, then there will be just as much spyware and just as many viruses. But there's no point for a cracker to make a virus just to affect 20 people when he can make a windows one and affect 20,000. BTW If Microsoft Singularity actually gets released, it should be quite good I think.

Best would be a Dual Boot(two partitions)...

One with Windows XP PRO and your choice of Linux distro.

Yea, that would be the safest option. You can have linux, and you can download any add-ons and stuff basically for free, and windows just in case you don't like linux or want to play games. Buying a mac means you have to use it or sell it. Well I think some linux distros support PowerPC processors and that hardware, so I guess you could somehow install linux over your mac. :lol:

Plus he likes Pepsi.

Pepsi > computers.

Listen, shutup. Garage Band is the LEADING program for music editing, and Final Cut is god for movie editing. Macs are THE BEST for music/movie/graphic design.

Graphic design most likely not. Not sure how Mac version of photoshop works, but I'm pretty sure it's about identical as windows except few features, so neither is better.

[Zakath]

I could go well with a PC, they are just as fine as Macs. I just don't want the hassle of it. When I see that the graphics card of my parents PC broke the third time in two years, one complete unrecoverable crash of Windows, ****ing up the whole system with painful reinstall and data rescue... No thanks.
Tell them to stop downloading files like 'trojan.exe' and clicking every link that appears in popup links on porn sites.

[ak50324]

wow...i disappear for such a little period of time and look what happens...

like I said, I really don't use anything except the internet,Winamp, the odd editing program, and Limewire(I'm going to hell, I know)

Thanks anyway, buy to those who have apples, should I upgrade the RAM when I first get it?

[I'm Charming]

Limewire(I'm going to hell, I know)


Yes you damn well are. :cool:

Torrents > all

It seems to be a good way to sort out the idiots with dl, because none of the idiots have a clue how to...much less... what port fowarding is...Which is needed for dl torrents. (really any dl)( I even do for AIM FT).

[incubliss]

Having used both, I still think the PC is much better in all respects. I do a lot of graphics design, and don't see any difference at all when using Photoshop etc.

I'd say get a PC as it's a lot more compatible.

[JohnXDoe]

wow...i disappear for such a little period of time and look what happens...like I said, I really don't use anything except the internet,Winamp, the odd editing program, and Limewire(I'm going to hell, I know)

Thanks anyway, buy to those who have apples, should I upgrade the RAM when I first get it?
Get a PC and you won't have to ask such silly questions. :p

[chimp_spanner]

Using the internet isn't a death sentence for your PC...despite what many people say lol regular adware/trojan/virus/etc. scans, and responsible browsing have kept my system healthy. I haven't re-installed or cleaned out my drives for 2 years now, and the last time I did was not virus related. Just fancied a change ;) For the most part I stick to reputable sites. If I click on a link and I get asked if I want to install/download/open "0EAX7eahappywincasino57.exe" and get assaulted by a zillion popups, I close as though my life depended on it, add it to my "not trusted" list and do a quick scan. But I try not to go to those sorta sites in the first place. Common culprits are keygen/serial sites, p0rn (not a user myself hehe) and so on.

Oh and to whoever said it, yeah the latest version of Photoshop on PC is identical to that on the Mac. In fact the whole CS suite is available on both. Files are cross platform too - always a plus.

[spitfirejunky]

I've never had internet-surfing trouble. Windows is indeed susceptible to a lot more progs and stuff, but that comes as a consequence of its popularity. In reality, it still all comes down to how and where you surf.

But networking is a whole other story. Windows is the biggest piece of **** on the planet when it comes to networking. But that's why Linux exists.