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Flamacue
02-23-2006, 03:00 PM
Dunno if this should be in the lesson section or here.
I heard this gospel drummer play a wicked lick at gospelchops.com ( they really have some awesome drummers there) and I thought it was a neat little thing to use as fills. Anyway, I just started working on it and recorded me 'attempting' to play it. I've explained on the mp3 what the hands and feet are doing. This is something you guys might like to try out and use. As I say I've only just started it so my timing and execution leaves something to be desired at the moment. Some are less clean than others, but hey, I doubt I'll be getting to use it much with my current band anyway.

Basically, if you played the whole lick on one surface, it would be sextuplets/sixteenth note triplets. There are 24 strokes being played over one bar which is exactly what 4 sextuplets amounts to.

Imagine counting the sextuplets like this for simplicity:
123456.123456.123456.123456.

Because of where each '3 over 1' and '3 over 2' patterns start, it gives a new rhythm across the sextuplets, as the patterns start on different notes in each sextuplet. That make sense? So where I've put ' ' is the start of each '3 over 1' and '3 over 2'.
You don't really need to know this bit but it might help you to hear the overall shape.

Like this : '1' 234 '5' 6.123 '4' 56.1 '2' 3456.'1' 234-56 | crash

3 over 1 is RLR foot ( '1' 234, '4' 56.1, '1' 234 )
3 over 2 is RLR foot foot.( '5' 6.123, '2' 3456 )

So it's 3 over 1,...3 over 2,...3 over 1,...3 over 2,..3 over 1,...then RL and crash.

Here's the recording. It's bitty but kind of shows you variations on how to orchestrate the patterns on different toms, hihat, snare, etc. Have fun with it

http://freespace.virgin.net/roman.five/3%20over%201%20and%202.mp3


I wrote out the notation for it for the music savvy members, showing also the groupings of 3:2 and 3:1 .:)

http://freespace.virgin.net/roman.five/3over1&2.jpg

Trev
02-23-2006, 03:10 PM
That is awesome. Those gospel chops drummers really can groove.

I'm definately gonna use that one, thanks!

Chippy569
02-23-2006, 03:24 PM
wicked cool!

We_Love_Lime
02-23-2006, 03:35 PM
That's CRAZY ! I'm deffeintly going to incorperate that in my playing, it was wicked sick. Thanks for the notation too. Whats the site/drummer please?

Flamacue
02-23-2006, 03:48 PM
Here, the 'man' doing it.

http://www.gospelchops.com/ericmooredrums3over2.wmv

tapioca
02-23-2006, 04:06 PM
what you also can do (and what he's actually been playing on the video, me thinks) is only playing a group of four in the beginning and then keep on playing groups of five until the bar ends.
so it would be like:

|ssbbsssbbsssbbsssbbsssbb|
-123456123456123456123456

We_Love_Lime
02-23-2006, 05:49 PM
Here, the 'man' doing it.

http://www.gospelchops.com/ericmooredrums3over2.wmv

Thanks a bunch man. Nice find as i said before.

IFYS
02-23-2006, 06:21 PM
Sweet!!

thumperfoot
02-23-2006, 06:55 PM
Hey, I can read notation well enough to get along (read: slowly and carefully) but is there any way to explain what you mean by 3 over 2 and 3 over 1? I can see they're groups of 5 and 4 (I also add pretty well...) but....? My computer won't play this media, and I'm dying to know what this is supposed to sound like.

thumperfoot
02-23-2006, 06:58 PM
Uh.....nevermind. I got it. (I think.)

Plan B.
02-23-2006, 07:16 PM
That "3 over 2" thing at first screwed me up, I was thinking something way more complicated I think, rather than just, 3 snare, 2 bass, haha.

Great lick though thanks, when I get time off I'mma get this one.

Zildjian
02-23-2006, 07:19 PM
one word...holycrap

Flamacue
02-24-2006, 09:06 AM
That "3 over 2" thing at first screwed me up, I was thinking something way more complicated I think, rather than just, 3 snare, 2 bass, haha.

Great lick though thanks, when I get time off I'mma get this one.

Yeah that's the illusion of drumming. A lot of fancy sounding licks can sound complicated but when broken down, turn out to be pretty easy. Executing them fast though is another story.

dumbassdrummer
02-24-2006, 09:53 AM
I've been working on this, too. I'm addicted to Gospel Chops. Those guys are great players.
They have alot of great exercises for building up your foot. Helped me alot.

Vespa
02-24-2006, 10:37 AM
Linear phrasing between hands and feet, one of Travis Barkers main tricks. Nice stuff.