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aznriceball
02-19-2006, 02:28 PM
Hello fellow MXicans!

I don't in the least bit feel like starting on the psych paper, so heres a nice review on a piece of gear I picked up the other day in my infinite curiousity of gimmicks and non-gimmicks.

Part I What's this?

Last month I was shopping online and I saw a drum dial. Seeing as how I see people both praising it and dismissing it as nothing, I figured its 60 bucks and theres 30 days return, no biggie.

So it comes, and I'm in no rush to try it. I've been playing for 2 years, and had to learn to tune right away, and I was in no hurry to have a device tell me I was doing diddly squat for 2 years. But alas, like going to read exam scores, you have to do it, or you'll find out some other, more painful way.

Part II Tuning

First the toms. I figured I tuned a bit higher than average, so I went to check it. My tensions on all lugs ranged from about 76-80 (with a weird 83) on batters and and around 78-84 on resonants (with a weird 90). So not too icky, I set all batters/resos to about 74/80 on 10"/12" toms and 74/77 on 13"/14" toms.

Next, I go after that cheapo piccolo..with an ungodly range on the batters from 86-94 (with a 99 in there..), and a resonant ranging 67-70. I ended up going 88/70.

The main snare...god...it deserves its own thread but oh well..
The batter being fairly..fair, was around 88-90 at each lug, but the reso...ranging from 59-72..yeesh..that was not fun.

Needless to say, for part I, all it did was do what our ears did, except slightly faster and a bit more accurately. Would I have kept it just for this? Maybe, but I sure as feck wouldn't pay 60 bucks for it.

6.4/10

Part III Killed my buzz...

Getting rid of that sympathetic buzz. I know, nobody hears it but us, and not when really playing. But we'd all like to cut it back a little bit.. My 10"/12" toms were going to be set at 74/77 like my low toms..but they, especially the 12" tom caused the most sympathetic buzzing on my snare (and only my main..my piccolo could've been a elephant for all the buzzing it did).

So by having the resonants on the snare and toms at least 8-10 pts apart I was able to reduce the majority of the sympathetic buzz without sacrificing all the buzz I needed from when I actually did play the snare. Theres still a bit, but its past a curve where I would begin to lose tone and resonance, and the little buzz gives a bit of character :)

8.6/10

Part IV Speed

Once you know your pitches and settings, this thing is a mighty fine tool. I stress pitches, because you may forget this thing and you still need to do it the old fashioned way. This thing may be great for helping you get the job done faster, but make no mistake, they are NO SUBSTITUTE for your ears. Unless you're deaf..

7.1/10

Overall

This thing is a nice little tool for you, but as always, is an infinitely more useful tool if you learn the skills to actually tune for yourself. What good is being able to do calculus on your calculator if you can't absorb the abstract concepts and apply them whenever you need them? The dial is also infinitely more helpful in helping you understand tuning if you use it just like that: a learning tool, not a shortcut. Is it worth the 60 bucks? Sure.. Is it necessary? Hardly

Drum Dial Score: 7/10

By aznriceball

Splinter364
02-19-2006, 02:53 PM
Thank you! Ive been searching for a MX review of this :D !

aznriceball
02-19-2006, 02:59 PM
Glad to see it helped someone ^_^

Jomofo
02-19-2006, 03:38 PM
Great review. I'm guessing your drums don't have the built in resistance dealy in the lugs?

At any rate, good review.

Zildjian
02-19-2006, 04:19 PM
Yea i agree with you with ure review on the Drum Dial...I have one of my own and i usse it to keep my drums tuned the way i set them (By ear)...I personally love it..Although its usless for the snair and bass drum...Im happy with it

Sweet review on it to!

ThugsRook
02-19-2006, 08:28 PM
> dont forget to calibrate it on a sheet of glass when you first get it! (or your numbers will be wrong)


one of the things i really like about the dial is that you can re-tune your drums in complete silence :D

i can tune my drums at night, not bother a soul, and not waste my playing time during the day. its also very accurate and can easily tell me when a head is dead meat and time to replace it. (center tension will be much much lower than lug tension)


my tuning numbers for comparison....

TOMS: 55/65
SNARE: 78/80
BASSDRUMS: 46/46

:wave:

aznriceball
02-19-2006, 08:31 PM
BASSDRUMS: 46/46

haha, impossible with 6 lugs for me :D

ThugsRook
02-19-2006, 08:32 PM
haha, impossible with 6 lugs for me :D
yup, thats why i will only own 10 lug bassdrums :p ;) :thumb:

Locke
02-19-2006, 08:48 PM
Great review, covers most the aspects. I'm considering getting one of these simply to keep my drums perfectly in tune, I can tune by ear but to get them precicsely right this baby could come in useful.

derryk
02-19-2006, 08:52 PM
What do the numbers mean?

like 46/46 is batter/reso, but the actual numbers..?

Panopticon
02-19-2006, 08:58 PM
the number the dial points to...

ThugsRook
02-19-2006, 09:00 PM
What do the numbers mean?
pounds per square inch (psi)

aznriceball
02-19-2006, 09:01 PM
Hmm, I was wondering what tympanic pressure was :)

Panopticon
02-19-2006, 10:05 PM
i kinda want one

Seafroggys
02-19-2006, 11:08 PM
if I ever had spare cash to burn (after cymbals, car, and recording gear) i might pick one up.....probably used.

Chippy569
02-19-2006, 11:53 PM
hey, so... on your snare resonant heads, could the oddness of the results be from snare beds?

aznriceball
02-20-2006, 12:18 AM
^or a lack of..

Aaron
02-20-2006, 01:13 AM
nice review man. 'cause im a fat lazy bastard i'm now considering buying one, cause of your review. but how much AU will it be?!

styler
02-20-2006, 01:24 AM
probably like a 1000:smash:

i take my snares completely off when i retune, i clean them and such, make sure there isnt any fraying. i dont tune without completely taking off the head either. good review man.

Pauly
02-20-2006, 01:34 AM
I had a look on ebay Aaron, and to get one from the US would be about AU$120 (shipping via airmail to Aus included).

Billy Hyde has them for AU$200 (It's actually $199.95 - your gonna be wanting to save those 5 cent pieces after spending that much on a dial).

I saw some DIY drum dial guides, I'll see if I can find a link. Most likely the best option.

ThugsRook
02-20-2006, 01:50 AM
hey, so... on your snare resonant heads, could the oddness of the results be from snare beds?
snare beds cause chaos when tuning to begin with. but yes it does mess with the dial cause by default the "4 bed lugs" will have less tension. about 5-10lbs less depending how deep it is.

snare beds also cause odd reso stretching and short reso life :rolleyes:

meh, i dont like snare beds much :p ;) :wave:

Aaron
02-20-2006, 05:39 AM
I had a look on ebay Aaron, and to get one from the US would be about AU$120 (shipping via airmail to Aus included).

Billy Hyde has them for AU$200 (It's actually $199.95 - your gonna be wanting to save those 5 cent pieces after spending that much on a dial).

I saw some DIY drum dial guides, I'll see if I can find a link. Most likely the best option.
why thank you sir.

aznriceball
02-20-2006, 11:09 AM
would it be possible to for DBJ/Ken/Damo/Epi to move this the equipment review section? I just wanted everyone to see it before it got archived away in that little place :thumb:

jversluis88
02-20-2006, 12:37 PM
Thanks a bunch Riceball, I've been meaning to read a review on this!

Chippy569
02-20-2006, 02:03 PM
snare beds cause chaos when tuning to begin with. but yes it does mess with the dial cause by default the "4 bed lugs" will have less tension. about 5-10lbs less depending how deep it is.

snare beds also cause odd reso stretching and short reso life :rolleyes:

meh, i dont like snare beds much :p ;) :wave:
i don't like beds either, yay for tama!