Mainstream punk bands with amazing solos. Know any?

[daniel_a_s]

As most people here know *usually* the insane guitar solos are played in metal (mostly speed)

What I'd like to do is create your typical mainstream punk band, but include seriously amazing solos.

Now, call me narrow minded but I haven't come across a single pop-punk like that, the offspring have some good solos, but they're not like metal solos.

Any mainstream/pop-punk bands out there like that?

Cheers,
Dan.

(Still looking for originality in my music...)

[Gnarmageddon]

Scary Kids Scaring Kids
NOFX

[B]

Protest The Hero, except they don't sound/aren't mainstream

[PDWAB]

The Living End.

[xFEAR-AND-LOATHINGx]

Protest The Hero, except they don't sound/aren't mainstream

speaking of protest the hero they are coming to town on wednesday

how might you describe this band?

[xFEAR-AND-LOATHINGx]

Protest The Hero, except they don't sound/aren't mainstream

speaking of protest the hero they are coming to town on wednesday

what would you say they sound like?

[Permanent Solution]

Sum 41 has some.

Bad Religion maybe.

Coheed and Cambria if they count.

NOFX. Strung Out. Scary Kids Scaring Kids.

[Hep Kat]

Afi, Turbonegro, and Tiger Army have some good ones.

[B]

speaking of protest the hero they are coming to town on wednesday

what would you say they sound like?
They're kind of hardcore-ish. But the vocals are very different. They're amazing live though, and the vocals are done much different live, a lot more screaming instead of singing. When I saw them anyways. Right after they released their album.

[daniel_a_s]

Sum 41 has an amazing guitarist, although, a lot of people consider them nu-metal. I'd probably say nu-metal instruments but punk vocals.

[B]

They're pop-punk.

[daniel_a_s]

They're pop-punk.
Well that's always the way I've seen them. Although you have to admit they're slightly more heavy than the average pop-punk band, I mean compare to greenday, blink, simple plan, good charlotte. It's not hard to see how they get mistaken sometimes.

Anyways I still own Daves pick I chaved from a concert, brilliant live.

[B]

There's lots of pop-punk heavier than them too though.

Although a lot of those bands are very borderline pop-punk.

[daniel_a_s]

There's lots of pop-punk heavier than them too though.

Although a lot of those bands are very borderline pop-punk.
Hmmms.... couldn't name a few could you? (I'm not trying to catch you out here I'm just another one of those annoying students)

[B]

Uh..

Thrice? maybe? Some Reggie and the Full Effect, a few Roses Are Red things, Scary Kids Scaring Kids, Saosin, some Senses Fail.

I'm too lazy to scroll far up on my iTunes :p

[Permanent Solution]

Sum 41 has an amazing guitarist, although, a lot of people consider them nu-metal. I'd probably say nu-metal instruments but punk vocals.
Sum 41 is in no way nu-metal.
Well that's always the way I've seen them. Although you have to admit they're slightly more heavy than the average pop-punk band, I mean compare to greenday, blink, simple plan, good charlotte. It's not hard to see how they get mistaken sometimes.

Anyways I still own Daves pick I chaved from a concert, brilliant live.
You're confusing power-pop and pop-punk for the most part there.
Hmmms.... couldn't name a few could you? (I'm not trying to catch you out here I'm just another one of those annoying students)
Scary Kids Scaring Kids
Panda
Anberlin
Finch

[B]

Yay Vince.

[Ross]

Turbonegro, although they've already been mentioned, and are very very borderline on this subject.

For the most part, I find massive epic solos just don't fit with pop-punk, although that's not saying it isn't done (as this thread is proving).

[Excursions]

Napalm Death

[trumpeter]

NoFx immediatley comes to mind.

[The_Red_Death]

Protest The Hero, except they don't sound/aren't mainstream

No, but they are an awesome band.

[The_Red_Death]

speaking of protest the hero they are coming to town on wednesday

what would you say they sound like?

I've heard them described as almost hardcore/metalcore-ish, with some prog rock influences in there too.

[B]

theyaren't really metalcore at all. It's like progressive hardcore. Kind of.

[The_Red_Death]

theyaren't really metalcore at all. It's like progressive hardcore. Kind of.

Ah, okay. I suck with genres, and I'd heard someone them describe as that. My mistake.

[B]

It's fine.

They're hard to categorize. Which is good.

[Mute Print]

Napalm Death
Hahaha, Adam rules.



I'll put some more thought into the topic at hand when it isn't 2:30 in the morning.

[plaidbassbilly]

The Living End.

Definitely. This band has amazing guitar work overall, what makes it more amazing is that there's only one guitarist and he's also the vocalist.

[Oz Rembrandt]

<3 Early Green Day solo's

[Pete]

Inspection 12 has some sweet soloing.

[Kif]

Emanuel?

[deathscreamingsheep]

Fall of Troy and Coheed and Cambria (if you can call them last two Pop-Punk).

[Gnarmageddon]

Inspection 12 has some sweet soloing.
PETER!

Fall of Troy and Coheed and Cambria (if you can call them last two Pop-Punk).
The Fall of Troy, definitely. Some of the best guitar playing I've ever heard.

[exxit152]

<3 Early Green Day solo's


You tell no lies. Green Day took away a really good solo style when they signed to reprise, but on slappy and kerplunk they really have some crazy solos. Like in One for the razorbacks. And on the cover of My Generation, The Judges Daughter, 409 in your coffeemaker.. They probably have one on every other song on those two albums.

[Oz Rembrandt]

You tell no lies. Green Day took away a really good solo style when they signed to reprise, but on slappy and kerplunk they really have some crazy solos. Like in One for the razorbacks. And on the cover of My Generation, The Judges Daughter, 409 in your coffeemaker.. They probably have one on every other song on those two albums.

Dry Ice may be the best solo Billie Joe ever pulled. Shame it stopped happening.

[Kif]

The Fall of Troy, definitely. Some of the best guitar playing I've ever heard.
I would've said TFOT, but I didn't think they belonged in the thread. But definately, some talented songs by them.

[Rootsradical]

Check out The Vandals. They have some good solos.

[jonnyward]

Dry Ice may be the best solo Billie Joe ever pulled. Shame it stopped happening.
and Knowledge solo. if you listen carefully billie joe uses the same style and technique for most solos on 39/s, he probably didnt want to repeat himself. as he said in a dookie interview, he didnt want to use any 'sh*t solos'

[The_Red_Death]

Wow, I totally forgot about Coheed and TFOT.

[daniel_a_s]

Thing is the only solos I've heard in pop-punk so far are short, fairly basic type ones.

What I want to do (when I'm good enough) is introduce Dragonforce and Metallica style solos into pop-punk, show people that pop-punk bands ARE actually tallented.

I mean everyone here knows how much pop-punk bands are slated for being so basic, guitar picking intro.. then instrumental chorus, then verse, then chorus with vocals, solo consisting of playing a few notes that are in the same key e.t.c. e.t.c.

How about making some serious rock music, but keeping the pop-punk sound, i.e. fairly high voices, neatly played, feel good music e.t.c. Without going overboard and turning it into proper punk, i.e. messy.

(looking at my picture) You can see why I like weezer, it's still mainstream, sounds really nice, but has some class guitar work in it.

p.s. checked out dry ice by greenday, pretty sweet actually... I think greenday are sometimes under-rated because of their newer songs, i.e. no fast solos, people listen to them and automatically assume Billy is crap guitarist.

Makes me wonder what a lot of these pop-punk musicians are like. I think sometimes they don't add these crazy solos because they don't want them, they want it to be toned down a bit. That's all fair enough but people judge their instrumental tallent upon their recorded songs.

[exxit152]

Thing is the only solos I've heard in pop-punk so far are short, fairly basic type ones.

What I want to do (when I'm good enough) is introduce Dragonforce and Metallica style solos into pop-punk, show people that pop-punk bands ARE actually tallented.

I mean everyone here knows how much pop-punk bands are slated for being so basic, guitar picking intro.. then instrumental chorus, then verse, then chorus with vocals, solo consisting of playing a few notes that are in the same key e.t.c. e.t.c.

How about making some serious rock music, but keeping the pop-punk sound, i.e. fairly high voices, neatly played, feel good music e.t.c. Without going overboard and turning it into proper punk, i.e. messy.

(looking at my picture) You can see why I like weezer, it's still mainstream, sounds really nice, but has some class guitar work in it.

p.s. checked out dry ice by greenday, pretty sweet actually... I think greenday are sometimes under-rated because of their newer songs, i.e. no fast solos, people listen to them and automatically assume Billy is crap guitarist.

Makes me wonder what a lot of these pop-punk musicians are like. I think sometimes they don't add these crazy solos because they don't want them, they want it to be toned down a bit.


Your ideas sound great to me.

And i agree. most shredders assume all pop punk players don't know anything except power chords, which we know is wrong.

[Permanent Solution]

Thing is the only solos I've heard in pop-punk so far are short, fairly basic type ones.But that's why we just listed a good number of bands with mroe intricate guitar work.
What I want to do (when I'm good enough) is introduce Dragonforce and Metallica style solos into pop-punk, show people that pop-punk bands ARE actually tallented.They don't need to show they are talented. It takes more talent to right catchy up beat songs with great hooks than it does to shred. The reason Pop-Punk bands don't have shred solos in them is it would sound like balls, by the way. Not because they can't. A lot of them could.
I mean everyone here knows how much pop-punk bands are slated for being so basic, guitar picking intro.. then instrumental chorus, then verse, then chorus with vocals, solo consisting of playing a few notes that are in the same key e.t.c. e.t.c.

How about making some serious rock music, but keeping the pop-punk sound, i.e. fairly high voices, neatly played, feel good music e.t.c. Without going overboard and turning it into proper punk, i.e. messy.
There's no definitive Pop-Punk sound. Especially in the last few years Pop-Punk has evolved in two very distinct and very separate sounding camps. One more hardcore influenced, the other more indie-rock influenced. Also, some Pop-Punk bands still do sound messy. Not all Pop-Punk bands can afford the costs to make an over-produced album. There's also tons of Pop-Punk that strays from traditional song structure.
p.s. checked out dry ice by greenday, pretty sweet actually... I think greenday are sometimes under-rated because of their newer songs, i.e. no fast solos, people listen to them and automatically assume Billy is crap guitarist.

Makes me wonder what a lot of these pop-punk musicians are like. I think sometimes they don't add these crazy solos because they don't want them, they want it to be toned down a bit. That's all fair enough but people judge their instrumental tallent upon their recorded songs.
That's because musicians are showboaty and insecure. Most listeners don't care how technical a guitarist is.

They don't want them because it would sound like crap.

And honestly, who cares if people think you're a crap musician if you're out having fun making your music?

[daniel_a_s]

Good post, by the way I will try and listen to all of them bands listed but I can't afford sod all CD's right now (yeh im broke, hey aren't we all)
And honestly, who cares if people think you're a crap musician if you're out having fun making your music?

Thing is, yeh I see what you're saying, although It's just another form of rebelling against those idiots who think our music is all for the little kids.

I have a friend (metal head) who has got annoyed with me sometimes and started going about how bands like Blink 182 sound like they should be played at Disney land or something. (Trying to prove how hardcore he is)

Thing he doesn't understand is how much talent is involved in this pop-punk music, and I don't think many people do, so I wanna show them bastards that you don't have to play metal to shred a guitar. I'm not too keen on NFG... but from writing pop-punk music I can see that their music is pretty talented stuff, it’s just a different form of talent to shredding a guitar e.t.c.

I'd like to see many of these people sing like Tom Delonge. (Fav singer, along with Matt Bellamy...)

Sweep picking, tremolo picking, finger tapping, I wanna put it all in and create some monster riffs, and to rub it in peoples faces, forcefully call my band POP-punk.

Shove it right in the elitists faces and stick it straight up their nostrils.

[Permanent Solution]

Good post, by the way I will try and listen to all of them bands listed but I can't afford sod all CD's right now (yeh im broke, hey aren't we all)No one can lol, especially when prices keep rising. But if you don't like to download either, most the bands listed have either a myspace or purevolume account, if not both. That will at least give you a few songs you can sample.
Thing is, yeh I see what you're saying, although It's just another form of rebelling against those idiots who think our music is all for the little kids.
Most of the people I hang out with love Pop-Punk, we're all in our late teens/early twenties. Pop-Punk is the music of my generation. I think kids nowadays are goning to be more raised on hip-hop or Indie Rock. But I don't know many young kids who are into Pop-Punk except on this site.

I have a friend (metal head) who has got annoyed with me sometimes and started going about how bands like Blink 182 sound like they should be played at Disney land or something. (Trying to prove how hardcore he is)
So the best way to rebel is to not care what other people think. Isn't that really what rebellion is about anyways? Doing things not to oppose an opinion, but just because you want to regardless of any opinions that exist? Plus, adding complex solos wouldn't change that. Pop-Punk will always be more listener friendly than Metal.
Thing he doesn't understand is how much talent is involved in this pop-punk music, and I don't think many people do, so I wanna show them bastards that you don't have to play metal to shred a guitar. I'm not too keen on NFG... but from writing pop-punk music I can see that their music is pretty talented stuff, it’s just a different form of talent to shredding a guitar e.t.c.
On the other hand, you don't have to shred a guitar if you play Metal. It's all about what fits your music. Not what genre you play. But generally shred does fit better in Metal.
I'd like to see many of these people sing like Tom Delonge. (Fav singer, along with Matt Bellamy...)

Sweep picking, tremolo picking, finger tapping, I wanna put it all in and create some monster riffs, and to rub it in peoples faces, forcefully call my band POP-punk.
Tapping is likely to start getting big in Pop-Punk soon I think. With the bands like The Academy Is..., Noise Ratchet and Open Hand shifting more to an Indie sound, and Indie bands like Minus the Bear doing the tapping all over the place, I forsee a fusion of the two not too far off. The other styles appear more in the Hardcore shifting Pop-Punk, but already some of those elements appear in some of the playing on that side of the field. Check out Scary Kids Scaring Kids as a great example of that.

Either way, your music defines your genre, you don't.
Shove it right in the elitists faces and stick it straight up their nostrils.
But why?

I mean, I'm very elitist. I just appreciate the different aspects that are important to music. But I don't care what genre something is as to whether I like it or not, and people who let genre dictate their tastes are just tools anyways.

[daniel_a_s]

I see what you're saying but I want to go against their shallow opinions, so just rebelling in a different way. If rebelling is not adding solos in your music, then tons of bands do it, I want to have some form or originality in my music.

I mean we can all listen to the Sex Pistols and call ourselves punks, but aren't we just copying all other punks? So, it's not exactly "punk", not the true meaning anyway.

Even if people say it sounds crap with the solos, there will always be the people that DO like it.

One thing in your post that did worry me a bit, is how pop-punk is a phase, which is worryingly true. Fortunatelly I'm a strong indie fan so I do incooporate it into the music, although what I don't want to do is create a band that plays music that is out of date.

The only reason I'll call it pop-punk is because the songs practically are Blink 182, greenday style, just with nuts solos.

I mean, I'm very elitist. I just appreciate the different aspects that are important to music. But I don't care what genre something is as to whether I like it or not, and people who let genre dictate their tastes are just tools anyways.

Hmms you sound like a totally different elitist to the ones I want to prove wrong. The elitists I know of are the ones that usually listen to music like metal, and call every other genre crap, because they don't use double bass pedals and don't shred the guitar, the ones who say Simple Plan are crap because the singer has a high voice.

I think they're way too genre orientated. I like pop-punk, but not all pop-punk, I like ska, but not all ska, I like metal, but not all metal.

[Permanent Solution]

I see what you're saying but I want to go against their shallow opinions, so just rebelling in a different way. If rebelling is not adding solos in your music, then tons of bands do it, I want to have some form or originality in my music.

I mean we can all listen to the Sex Pistols and call ourselves punks, but aren't we just copying all other punks? So, it's not exactly "punk", not the true meaning anyway.Nope, Punk would be doing what you want, not to rebel necessarily, but just to show that no one has authority to dictate your actions. Mind you, if you're adding solos to fight the opinion Punk is simplistic, you are in fact letting the elitists dictate your actions. That is the opposite of what Punk is meant to be.

I mean, you can add solos, lots of bands do. But adding them for the purpose of showing off and proving people wrong is not Punk.
Even if people say it sounds crap with the solos, there will always be the people that DO like it.
Well you'd hope so, because if not you won't get anywhere with it.
One thing in your post that did worry me a bit, is how pop-punk is a phase, which is worryingly true. Fortunatelly I'm a strong indie fan so I do incooporate it into the music, although what I don't want to do is create a band that plays music that is out of date.
I didn't really say it was a phase. Just that it goes through phases and changes. It's evolving just like any other style. The Blink-182/Green Day style of Pop-Punk is phasing out of popularity, but that's not to Say Pop-Punk is dead. Far from.
The only reason I'll call it pop-punk is because the songs practically are Blink 182, greenday style, just with nuts solos.
There's my issue. I can't imagine a Dragonforce style solo fitting into any Blink-182 song. It just wouldn't fit. That's not the style.
Hmms you sound like a totally different elitist to the ones I want to prove wrong. The elitists I know of are the ones that usually listen to music like metal, and call every other genre crap, because they don't use double bass pedals and don't shred the guitar, the ones who say Simple Plan are crap because the singer has a high voice.

I think they're way too genre orientated. I like pop-punk, but not all pop-punk, I like ska, but not all ska, I like metal, but not all metal.
Iron Maiden doesn't use double bass pedals. Finch does though.

Agalloch doesn't have shred solos, but NOFX does.

Alkaline Trio doesn't have high vocals, but Rush does.

There's always exceptioons to the rule. Educate yourself on their music and then you can argue with them and they will have no good response because genre stereotyping is a fake sort of elitism that requires no actual knowledge to maintain :)

[daniel_a_s]

Well maybe it's not punk, but it's certainly rebelling.

And when I said about that kid saying how crap bands that didn't use double bass pedals e.t.c. Try telling him that. He complains how when he plays the drums he can't create a beat because he's only got a single pedal, not a double, and it limits him so much. This guys been playing for 6 months. (I'm not boasting or nuthin but I don't play drums and I can kick his *** anyday at them)

He says bands like Metallica and HIM are crap. And if you argue with him, he starts going on about how I shouldn't contradict him when I know nothing about it, how metal is like a religion to him, and yeh you get the picture. (This is the guy that calls ME ignorant, maybe it's because I don't dress up in a certain fashion.. or listen to one type of music and one type only....)

And I'm just fed up of these type of idiots thinking they know it all just because they listen to bands that shred and use double bass.

Maybe I'm just an angry kid.

As for these solos fitting in, well... I'll give it a go, see what happens. I mean play them in the right key and they can't be that bad.

As for educating myself in music, not being arrogant or nuthin but I'm already way past a lot of those types of people, the difference is they don't accept it, THEY know it ALL remember, not me, I'm just the kid who listens to Blink 182.

ELITISTS....

Anyway thanks for your comments, they HAVE been helpfull, definatelly given me a better insight on things. And thanks to everyone else for listing the bands n' stuff.

[daniel_a_s]

Thing is it's not just that I'm rebelling, it's also that a lot of these pop-punk bands do sound very "samey", and to add totally insane solos would be fairly new and original.

Ok so some pop-punk bands do have good solos, but I wouldn't call them "insane".

[BridgeToSolace]

http://www.purevolume.com/beforetoday

Hey, listen to Roots Beneath Ideals. Pretty good solo about 45 seconds in. The band in general oozes talent for the most part.

As a dude who spends a lot of time writing music, it's hard as hell to include really talented solos into pop-punk. Then again, I suck at writing music and talented solos (as Vince can most likely attest to). Oh well.

And as for that double bass thing, my drummer (before he got a double bass) used double-kick technique or some such nonsense. I never missed the second pedal :).

[fathergoat]

Belvedere had a sick guitarist. I am not sure if they were mainstream but they were on tv at the odd time.

Check out Subhuman Nature, Elementally Regarded, Slaves To The Pavement, and Early Retirement.

Link to some videos: http://www.stomprecords.com/bandsview.php?id=8

[irtehmitchell]

NOFX really doesn't really have any "shred" solos. some are pretty sweet but they aren't the typical "metal shred". im not trying to take anything away from NOFX they are one of my favorite bands and hefe is a really skilled guitarist.
good luck incorporating your solos into pop punk. the way i see it, pop punk is supposed to be simple, fun, and upbeat. i'd rather hear a catchy hook then a random shred in the middle of a song. i dunno thats just me and probably most fans of pop punk. if we want to hear shredding, we listen to metal.
either way, good luck with what your doing just try to have some fun along the way.

[Drop The Baby]

The king of this thread is Strung Out. their metal influences come out in amazing solos in their music.

NOFX
Bad Religion

[billiejoe84]

Just read the whole thread, and some really good points made. But only 2 mentions for the Living End? Clearly a lot of people need educating. Chris Cheney is like the best guitarist in pop-punk.


My band has some solos :cool:

But not good ones coz I suck :upset:

[SunnyDayRealEstateAM]

Weezer?

[Oz Rembrandt]

Weezer?

Great solo's, but I'm never sure if we count them over here as pop-punk?

[El Krunk]

Millencolin
Goldfinger

[billiejoe84]

I just realised, how has nobody mentioned Bigwig yet? Sure, they are a bit heavier than your average pop-punk band, but some of their solos are outstanding.

[BridgeToSolace]

Great solo's, but I'm never sure if we count them over here as pop-punk?
You can put them under pop-punk, but not under the "Great Solos" column.

[Ross]

http://www.purevolume.com/beforetoday

Hey, listen to Roots Beneath Ideals. Pretty good solo about 45 seconds in. The band in general oozes talent for the most part.

I like them, even if they do go a lil bit emo.

[Pete]

Needs to be mentioned more than once;

Belvedere
Strung Out
Propagandhi
Bigwig
The Living End

Borderline cases;
Protest the Hero
Coheed and Cambria

[Oz Rembrandt]

AFI (See: Dancing Throught Sunday)

[Ross]

Needs to be mentioned more than once;

Belvedere
Strung Out
Propagandhi
Bigwig
The Living End

Borderline cases;
Protest the Hero
Coheed and Cambria

Oh oh oh YES

<--- Propagandhi Fanatic

[Get Fighted]

Hmmms.... couldn't name a few could you? (I'm not trying to catch you out here I'm just another one of those annoying students)

Fall out boy, Taking back sunday, Turbonegro (unsure of thier genre).

[B]

FOB and TBS don't answer his question at all.

[Get Fighted]

Im sure FOB and TBS are heavier than Sum 41.

[B]

Lmao.

[Permanent Solution]

Im sure FOB and TBS are heavier than Sum 41.
Wow.

I'm going to wager on that being sarcasm.

:-\

[Get Fighted]

Hmmmm now that you mention it.... i would like to take that statment back.

[Grumma]

Simply: the Living End arent mainstream punk.
They arent even punk

/argument