Carbon Sticks?

[sorgoth]

What do you know about carbon sticks? Have you used them? How would you describe their sound? I've heard that they have similar weight/feel with wooden sticks, only they are harder to damage/break. How does that affect cymbals/heads? Would you recommend them for rock/heavy playing? Thanks! :)

[Kosmos Tree]

I have played them, they last alot longer than normal sticks, but may cause cymbal breakage because they have a bigger density then wood sticks.

I don't know how rimshots will affect them, i played them before i started to do rimshots.

If you're on a budget and don't hit too hard, you won't have problems with them.

[fishbulb]

i played them before i started to do rimshots.

I can't live without rimshots, i end up doing them on basically every fill.

[SkaRabbit]

Just stick to wood people.

[Drum Phil]

They're pretty good. I just dont like the fact they get really cold easily. They sound a lot like nylon tipped stick, good rimshot sound IIRC

[an_original_name]

yeah i've used them/. i'd stick with wooden sticks. they sound like extreme versions of nylon tips.

[ToneDef™]

Yeah I used to use them a lot. I'll get 'em out once in a while. Great definition when used on cymbals, durable, and I get a great 'pop' out of my snare wen I use them.

[Talos]

Just stick to wood people.

Yeah, you cant go wrong with wood, theres a model for everyone no matter how hard you play.

[Kosmos Tree]

I can't live without rimshots, i end up doing them on basically every fill.

Me too.
We jammed on a ballad some days ago and i cought myself playing rimshots during a quite part :smash:

[BSU_53]

Is spending 10 bucks every three years for a new pair of sticks that bad people? If you break them more often than that, you have some problems...

[Kosmos Tree]

^^^^
:lol:

no, that's called regular playing

[Loser]

If you want to get a tid bit technical, wood sticks are pretty much carbon.

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buy a pair of Pro Mark La special 5a's and a pair of Mike Portnoy Sigs right away.. like i did today.. :)

[DuckinFutch8]

If you want to get a tid bit technical, wood sticks are pretty much carbon.

damn you and your sciences... :P

[Drum Phil]

Wood may well be carbon but its a much more random arrangement of the element. Carbon in its fibre or graphite form is a uniform arrangement of layers of carbon molecules held together by delocalised electrons. Its has plenty of give but more overall strength due to its structure.

[The Feeding]

honestly i hate them i had some AHEAD sticks and despised them, they friggin bent when i crashed, and they marked my heads and cymbals like no other

[aDecentDrummer]

If you want to get a tid bit technical, wood sticks are pretty much carbon.


yeah they're both made outta hydrocarbons right? But they don't have the same properties.

Carbon sticks are alright, they do last longer, but I find they snap at the tip which sucks. They're more bouncy than sticks too, more noticeably on my practice pad.

Try them out...unless your on a tight budget.

[Motleyguy]

Hmmmm, oneof my buddies dad's works at this printing place, and for some reason they made these glow in the dark carbon sticks. They suck, they have o much rebound, very hard to control.

[Loser]

Carbon itself is a uniform arrangement of layers of carbon

That makes no sense whatsoever. Carbon is carbon. Carbon isn't a uniform arrangement of layers of carbon. It'd be infinitely made of carbon if that were true.

[Motleyguy]

That makes no sense whatsoever. Carbon is carbon. Carbon isn't a uniform arrangement of layers of carbon. It'd be infinitely made of carbon if that were true.


:amaze:
Phil phails!!!:rolleyes:

[Drum Phil]

That makes no sense whatsoever. Carbon is carbon. Carbon isn't a uniform arrangement of layers of carbon. It'd be infinitely made of carbon if that were true.

I didnt word it well. Carbon fibre and graphite is a uniform arrangement of carbon atoms in layers.

[Loser]

I didnt word it well. Carbon fibre and graphite is a uniform arrangement of carbon atoms in layers.


Yeah.

Sticks are still mostly carbon.

[BSU_53]

Yeah.

Sticks are still mostly carbon.

That doesn't mean they are as strong as all other forms of carbon, it's the type of bonds between the atoms that make them strong...for instance diamonds are 100% carbon, but so is graphite, one is obviously stronger than the other...So it does make a difference, however wood sticks hold up plenty long to even have a hard time sending a hobo broke, so stick with wood.

[sorgoth]

I went to the shop and got myself a pair of Millenium Rock Carbon Sticks for 20$ (this is European prices, you lucky Americans). The size is a bit larger than 5Bs, definately heavier than 5Bs, I think they have a better grip than wood and they seem more dense. Oh, and they're black, cool! I'll put some tape that glows in the dark and I'll suprise my band this evening at practise! And I'll try them on some heavy songs... Yeah baby!

[Phototropic]

I have a pair of them, their heavy enough so I was planning on using them for rudimental work, is this a good idea?!

I haven't used them on the kit yet, just the pad so they're in mint condition

[Motleyguy]

I have a pair of them, their heavy enough so I was planning on using them for rudimental work, is this a good idea?!

I haven't used them on the kit yet, just the pad so they're in mint condition

hmmm, using heavy sticks is an alright idea. You need to be cautious of what muscles you are building up with them though. If you're constantly practicing with heavy sticks, chances are your building up the muscles in your forearms, and what you really wanna be working on is finger control, and building up the small muscles in your fingers and hands. Just be wary of that ,it's something my pipe band private instructor taught me, because he used to do it, and while he plays at a World Championship level, it has hindered him. I will occasionally use heavier sticks for a warm up before a competition, really gets the hands going, but nothing really beyond that.

[Phototropic]

hmmm, using heavy sticks is an alright idea. You need to be cautious of what muscles you are building up with them though. If you're constantly practicing with heavy sticks, chances are your building up the muscles in your forearms, and what you really wanna be working on is finger control, and building up the small muscles in your fingers and hands. Just be wary of that ,it's something my pipe band private instructor taught me, because he used to do it, and while he plays at a World Championship level, it has hindered him. I will occasionally use heavier sticks for a warm up before a competition, really gets the hands going, but nothing really beyond that.

Ahh yeah maybe :) thank you

I was hoping after practising a lot of rudiments on the pad, when I go back to 5As on the kit my hands would be flying

Would I need to adjust or...?

[Panopticon]

I've just bought some really really thick sticks...Vic Firth Corpsmaster Ralph Hardimon sigs to use on my practice pad as well...

my other sticks are VF 8DN's...lets just say, VERY VERY large difference...literally feels like i'm playing with toothpicks

[Loser]

That doesn't mean they are as strong as all other forms of carbon,

Yeah, I never argued that. I only said they have carbon in them.

[Talos]

Use Thomas Lang signatures, theyre the strongest and thickest sticks ive ever played with. Plus they dont ruin your gear :D

[SkaRabbit]

That doesn't mean they are as strong as all other forms of carbon, it's the type of bonds between the atoms that make them strong...for instance diamonds are 100% carbon, but so is graphite, one is obviously stronger than the other...So it does make a difference, however wood sticks hold up plenty long to even have a hard time sending a hobo broke, so stick with wood.

All Diamonds turn to graphite after about 5million years. interesting eh?

[BSU_53]

Yeah it is...Bad news for chicks who wanna live forever i guess lol.

[Drummer Freak 911]

if u burn wood sticks it turns to carbon..
kinda like when u burn paper it turns to carbon

i learned that in Biology :cool:

[Sam Bredeson]

Yeah.

Sticks are still mostly carbon.
That's not really true. Wood has carbon in it, sure, and when it combusts with oxygen, the result is carbon (ash), but there are a lot of other things in wood, too. Things like cytoplasm, proteins, and such that make up the body of a plant cell. The part of wood that provides the strength, the cell walls, actually (to my knowledge) have no carbon in them.

To get back to the point, I have a pair of carbon fiber sticks. They are very strong, and ping on cymbals really loud. They are also quite a bit heavier than wood sticks. I don't use them very often because of the sound they make on cymbals (same reason i don't use nylon tipped sticks), but if you like that sound, I would say they're worth the little extra they cost.

[BSU_53]

Hey Sam You're from Baudette? How Cold is it right now? I'm in Bemidji and it's friggin insanely freezing(45 below) Crappy stuff man.

[rohbit]

hmmm, using heavy sticks is an alright idea. You need to be cautious of what muscles you are building up with them though. If you're constantly practicing with heavy sticks, chances are your building up the muscles in your forearms, and what you really wanna be working on is finger control, and building up the small muscles in your fingers and hands. Just be wary of that ,it's something my pipe band private instructor taught me, because he used to do it, and while he plays at a World Championship level, it has hindered him. I will occasionally use heavier sticks for a warm up before a competition, really gets the hands going, but nothing really beyond that.

Aren't there just tendons in your fingers, not muscles? And doesn't the strength in your forearm dictate how fast you can move your fingers.

I know when i play with my finger or even grip and release really fast, I get a burn in my forearm.