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heavy metal kid
04-16-2005, 09:34 PM
There are a few underated songs from that time too: The Outlaw Torn, Thorn Within, Wasting My Hate, Where The Wild Things Are, Attitude.
I also think they should have done a cover of Raining Blood, they played part of that live once...but Garage Inc is a tribute album by Metallica so it kinda wouldn't work.
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i like the song ronnie.
a fact to comprove that metallica never take Jason seriously is that they never play live thorn within(jason's favorite song).
raining blood wasn't play complete, just the intro.
Is there a way i can get someone to send me the Unforgiven II? I don't have the album so i'm stuck watching the video on Yahoo Launch and it's amazing
metalcritter666
04-16-2005, 09:39 PM
i like the song ronnie.
a fact to comprove that metallica never take Jason seriously is that they never play live thorn within(jason's favorite song).
raining blood wasn't play complete, just the intro.
Good point. They never treated Jason very well, did they?
and yeah, the only just played the intro to rib.
New topic: do you agree with the way they treated Jason Newsted?
Endless Obsession
04-16-2005, 09:41 PM
Is there a way i can get someone to send me the Unforgiven II? I don't have the album so i'm stuck watching the video on Yahoo Launch and it's amazing
I was just listening to that song when u posted this. I can try it may not work. Ill edit this with a YSI but im not sure if it will work.
Good point. They never treated Jason very well, did they?
and yeah, the only just played the intro to rib.
New topic: do you agree with the way they treated Jason Newsted?
i think i understand why they did it, but it was pretty mean. they always hazed him so much and it was pretty mean of them
I was just listening to that song when u posted this. I can try it may not work. Ill edit this with a YSI but im not sure if it will work.
sweet thanks. i just posted it in the YSI thread if you can't
metalcritter666
04-16-2005, 09:44 PM
i think i understand why they did it, but it was pretty mean. they always hazed him so much and it was pretty mean of them
btw...gocaps99, what's your MSN address?
I didn't know that was Jason's favourite song...that's pretty mean, you're right.
They also cut short his bass solo on My Friend Of Misery, you can hear the full version on Live Sh!t.
heavy metal kid
04-16-2005, 09:46 PM
New topic: do you agree with the way they treated Jason Newsted?
sometimes:
the good raction is that now metallica has a kickass bass player.
the bad reactions are that if they let jason be himself maybe st. anger would be more elaborated and enjoy jason's full potential.
Endless Obsession
04-16-2005, 09:48 PM
I dont agree with the way they treated him. And i agree with him for leaving, cause i would have too. I feel really sorry for the guy. Imagine this, A dream come true, become part of METALLICA!!, but they treat u like sh!t, dont play anything u want to, make u do all the bitch work.
I would have found an excuse to leave. And i would have done it right before they recorded an album to screw them up like they had been doing to him for over 10 years.
btw...gocaps99, what's your MSN address?
I didn't know that was Jason's favourite song...that's pretty mean, you're right.
They also cut short his bass solo on My Friend Of Misery, you can hear the full version on Live Sh!t.
gocaps99@msn.com
Jason had a pretty cool bass solo before MOP on one of the discs. After his solo they played a minute or two of To Live Is To Die and it was really great
I dont agree with the way they treated him. And i agree with him for leaving, cause i would have too. I feel really sorry for the guy. Imagine this, A dream come true, become part of METALLICA!!, but they treat u like sh!t, dont play anything u want to, make u do all the bitch work.
I would have found an excuse to leave. And i would have done it right before they recorded an album to screw them up like they had been doing to him for over 10 years.
I would have left before then because of how they treated him. If you're going to be part of a band be part of a band don't just be a replacement
metalcritter666
04-16-2005, 09:57 PM
gocaps99@msn.com
Jason had a pretty cool bass solo before MOP on one of the discs. After his solo they played a minute or two of To Live Is To Die and it was really great
That is on Seattle, am I correct? On San Diego they play part of Orion. And on Mexico City they play part of Dazed And Confused. But Jason kept playing Orion wrong.
I think Kirk was much friendlier toward Jason that Jaymz or Lars but even Kirk doesn't have as much say in things as they do... :angry:
That is on Seattle, am I correct? On San Diego they play part of Orion. And on Mexico City they play part of Dazed And Confused.
when's orion? they also do little wing
metalcritter666
04-16-2005, 10:06 PM
when's orion? they also do little wing
They play Orion toward the end of the bass solo. Jason plays the riff, and then the guitars come in and play the middle section (no solos though). They play Little Wing during the guitar solo on Seattle I think...
Sandtrap
04-16-2005, 10:50 PM
I think metallica should do mechanix sortta to pay a tribute to their old days and their old(but very great)band member! Dave!!
Huber
04-16-2005, 10:58 PM
I think metallica should do mechanix sortta to pay a tribute to their old days and their old(but very great)band member! Dave!!
Heh, a little more would have to happen before they do that.
PepsiMetal
04-16-2005, 11:49 PM
I think metallica should do mechanix sortta to pay a tribute to their old days and their old(but very great)band member! Dave!!
Why exactly would they do that?
Also does megadeth ever do metallica covers?
RiceMonster
04-16-2005, 11:53 PM
Why exactly would they do that?
Also does megadeth ever do metallica covers?
No, but Mustaine makes comments against Metallica at shows, or at least the one I attended...
Huber
04-17-2005, 12:06 AM
No, but Mustaine makes comments against Metallica at shows, or at least the one I attended...
Comments against Metallica? Like bashing?
RiceMonster
04-17-2005, 12:12 AM
Comments against Metallica? Like bashing?
Yes.
For example:
"You guys know of the big four thrash bands right? Well, I always though of it as five.*holds up five fingers*" There's Slayer," *puts down one finger* "Exodus," *puts down another "Anthrax," *puts down another* "Me," *puts down another* "and Metallica" *is holding up his middle finger*
Then the crowd went wild, and started chanting Megadeth. I joined in.
He also said something else, but I forget what it was.
Huber
04-17-2005, 12:23 AM
Yes.
For example:
"You guys know of the big four thrash bands right? Well, I always though of it as five.*holds up five fingers*" There's Slayer," *puts down one finger* "Exodus," *puts down another "Anthrax," *puts down another* "Me," *puts down another* "and Metallica" *is holding up his middle finger*
Then the crowd went wild, and started chanting Megadeth. I joined in.
He also said something else, but I forget what it was.
That's very disappointing.
heavy metal kid
04-17-2005, 12:38 AM
Yes.
For example:
"You guys know of the big four thrash bands right? Well, I always though of it as five.*holds up five fingers*" There's Slayer," *puts down one finger* "Exodus," *puts down another "Anthrax," *puts down another* "Me," *puts down another* "and Metallica" *is holding up his middle finger*
Then the crowd went wild, and started chanting Megadeth. I joined in.
He also said something else, but I forget what it was.
Mustaine hates metallica 'cause the fans of megadeth like metallica's old stuff, and he knows that after his kickout metallica put 3 awesome albums better than any megadeth album(imo)
RiceMonster
04-17-2005, 12:56 AM
Mustaine hates metallica 'cause the fans of megadeth like metallica's old stuff, and he knows that after his kickout metallica put 3 awesome albums better than any megadeth album(imo)
Actually, it had a lot to do with the fact that he told them not to put him in Some Kind of Monster, but they did it anyway. I don't think he had said anything like that at shows that much in the past.
I think Megadeth is better than Metallica, but it's all opinion. I don't want to start another dreaded Metallica vs. Megadeth debate.
heavy metal kid
04-17-2005, 01:06 AM
I think Megadeth is better than Metallica, but it's all opinion. I don't want to start another dreaded Metallica vs. Megadeth debate.
Metallica and Megadeth are awesome....(slayer is better) :p
Huber
04-17-2005, 01:07 AM
I completely forgot about the SKOM thing. ****it. That whole fued is just so annoying.
metallicafan501
04-17-2005, 01:39 AM
That whole fued is just so annoying.
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FlyingPaul_83
04-17-2005, 02:11 AM
I wish the fued between them would end so they could tour together. That would be the greatest
heavy metal kid
04-17-2005, 02:16 AM
I wish the fued between them would end so they could tour together. That would be the greatest
i think that Mustaine has the last word on that,'cause metallica seems to be cool with dave(altough they where jackasses with him 20 years ago).
Huber
04-17-2005, 02:31 AM
i think that Mustaine has the last word on that,'cause metallica seems to be cool with dave(altough they where jackasses with him 20 years ago).
Um....Metallica just completely ignored his request to keep him out of SKOM. Metallica isn't the angel in this situation. Far from it.
heavy metal kid
04-17-2005, 02:34 AM
Um....Metallica just completely ignored his request to keep him out of SKOM. Metallica isn't the angel in this situation. Far from it.
i never say they were, i think metallica wants more attention and Mustaine just want to leave the metallica thing in the past and move on with his band.
They're both great bands, so who cares which one is better?
There are times where I think Megadeth completely owns Metallica, and vise versa. The greatest thing possible in my opinion would be a Megadeth/Metallica album.
Mufasa.
04-17-2005, 05:04 AM
The greatest thing possible in my opinion would be a Megadeth/Metallica album.
Too bad that will never happen.
Metallica and Megadeth are pretty equal in my opinion. I consider Rust in Peace on the same level as MOP.
metalcritter666
04-17-2005, 08:24 AM
They're both great bands, so who cares which one is better?
There are times where I think Megadeth completely owns Metallica, and vise versa. The greatest thing possible in my opinion would be a Megadeth/Metallica album.
80s: Metallica > Megadeth
90s: Metallica = Megadeth
00s: Megadeth > Metallica IMO.
Endless Obsession
04-17-2005, 08:43 AM
Megadeth is more technically skilled than Metallica (at least guitar wise). But in terms of whos songs have more energy, sound better, and u can listen to more its Metallica. I will go through stretches of Megadeth for a while then one day i will stop listening to it and wont listen to them for months. But i will always listen to Metallica.
metalcritter666
04-17-2005, 08:45 AM
Megadeth is more technically skilled than Metallica (at least guitar wise). But in terms of whos songs have more energy, sound better, and u can listen to more its Metallica. I will go through stretches of Megadeth for a while then one day i will stop listening to it and wont listen to them for months. But i will always listen to Metallica.
I think the drum, bass and vocal work in Metallica is better than Megadeth, but Mustaine is a better guitarist than both of them.
ThrashMaster27
04-17-2005, 08:48 AM
Hahaha, Drum work better in Metallica? You must be joking.
Apocalyptic Raids
04-17-2005, 08:50 AM
Megadeth >>>>> Metallica
That is all.
Endless Obsession
04-17-2005, 08:51 AM
Hahaha, Drum work better in Metallica? You must be joking.
I wouldnt know im a guitar player.
But Metallica are 1000 times better at writing songs (IMO), and overall thats what really matters am i right? And vocals are definitly better in Metallica, thats the worst part about Megadeth, and Cliff and Rob are both bed then D. Elf.
metalcritter666
04-17-2005, 08:56 AM
I wouldnt know im a guitar player.
But Metallica are 1000 times better at writing songs (IMO), and overall thats what really matters am i right? And vocals are definitly better in Metallica, thats the worst part about Megadeth, and Cliff and Rob are both bed then D. Elf.
Dave Mustaine can't sing.
cliff solos for all
04-17-2005, 09:37 AM
yes he can't
yea most of you guys need to leave, there's an official megadeth thread.
megadeth is better now, but for about 20 years metallica was so much better
metalcritter666
04-17-2005, 09:55 AM
Who sings backing vocals on The Unnamed Feeling?
Who sings backing vocals on The Unnamed Feeling?
probably james. but in the studio you can record tracks and tracks of voices and it could sound like 100 people
Fernandes Power
04-17-2005, 10:04 AM
probably james. if not, jason. but in the studio you can record tracks and tracks of voices and it could sound like 100 people
...Jason??
Its James double tracking vocals. :thumb:
Itll always be that on a cd unless stated otherwise.
Endless Obsession
04-17-2005, 10:22 AM
probably james. if not, jason. but in the studio you can record tracks and tracks of voices and it could sound like 100 people
Jason? C'mon Joe. U know Jason wasnt in Metallica for St.Anger.
ThrashMaster27
04-17-2005, 10:22 AM
yea most of you guys need to leave, there's an official megadeth thread.
megadeth is better now, but for about 20 years metallica was so much better
You might wanna put "In my opinion" there, cause for sure Metallica were never better than Megadeth.
In my opinion.
You might wanna put "In my opinion" there, cause for sure Metallica were never better than Megadeth.
In my opinion.
well it's not my opinion. 90,000,000+ cd's sold is a lot more compared to megadeth's 15,000,000
Jason? C'mon Joe. U know Jason wasnt in Metallica for St.Anger.
:lol: :lol:
/feels like an idiot
/it's way to early...
vashts80
04-17-2005, 11:00 AM
Mustaine can't sing. So? You either love or hate Mustaine's vocals.
FlyingPaul_83
04-17-2005, 11:06 AM
Mustaine can't sing. So? You either love or hate Mustaine's vocals.
I like his vocals. they don't bother me. BUT his vocals are nowhere near as good as james vocals
RiceMonster
04-17-2005, 11:11 AM
Guys, stop the ****in' Metallica vs. Megadeth debate. I cleary said I didn't want to start another one. This is a Metallica thread anyway.
ThrashMaster27
04-17-2005, 11:37 AM
well it's not my opinion. 90,000,000+ cd's sold is a lot more compared to megadeth's 15,000,000
I'm sure Cher has sold more albums than Megadeth aswell, sure as hell doesn't make her better.
Echleon
04-17-2005, 11:41 AM
New Topic.
How long do you reckon it will be before Metallica come to the UK again?
ThrashMaster27
04-17-2005, 11:42 AM
Probably not until their new album gets released, or sometime near there.
metalcritter666
04-17-2005, 12:34 PM
Mustaine can't sing. So? You either love or hate Mustaine's vocals.
I like Mustaine's vocals, but he can't sing.
Metallica will be in the UK in June 2006 probably, maybe appear at Download?
I like Mustaine's vocals, but he can't sing.
Metallica will be in the UK in June 2006 probably, maybe appear at Download?
what makes you say june?
but yea back to the original questiobn it won't be till after the new album's released and that could be a long time from now (kea took 21 days and st anger took 2 years)
Endless Obsession
04-17-2005, 01:26 PM
but yea back to the original questiobn it won't be till after the new album's released and that could be a long time from now (kea took 21 days and st anger took 2 years)
Yeah but they already had the songs written and everybody knew them perfectly (except maybe kirk). For St.Anger they had to write the songs and then perfect them and then record them. My guess is it will be out mid 2006.
Which means they probly wont get to Europe to Early-late 2007.
Yeah but they already had the songs written and everybody knew them perfectly (except maybe kirk). For St.Anger they had to write the songs and then perfect them and then record them. My guess is it will be out mid 2006.
Which means they probly wont get to Europe to Early-late 2007.
and because james left for awhile and it was a pretty relaxed recording session
that sounds like a good guess for when it comes out. then they'll start touring either late 06 or early 07
PepsiMetal
04-17-2005, 02:08 PM
i think that Mustaine has the last word on that,'cause metallica seems to be cool with dave(altough they where jackasses with him 20 years ago).
Why were the jackasses to him? Because he was a drunked alcoholic who couldn't stop drinking when on schedule? You people need to stop acting like metallica kicked him out for no reason. Megadeth is still good, although their vocals suck imo. So again, THERE was a reason for kicking him out. They didn't just do it because they felt like doing it. :thumb:
Huber
04-17-2005, 02:16 PM
Why were the jackasses to him? Because he was a drunked alcoholic who couldn't stop drinking when on schedule? You people need to stop acting like metallica kicked him out for no reason. Megadeth is still good, although their vocals suck imo. So again, THERE was a reason for kicking him out. They didn't just do it because they felt like doing it. :thumb:
Yeah, but think about it from Dave's point of view. He wasn't given any chances. The people he thought were his friends just said bye to him one day and never talked to him for years and years.
I'd probably have kicked him out too, not gunna lie. But maybe a warning? Something like that.
PepsiMetal
04-17-2005, 02:26 PM
Yeah, but think about it from Dave's point of view. He wasn't given any chances. The people he thought were his friends just said bye to him one day and never talked to him for years and years.
I'd probably have kicked him out too, not gunna lie. But maybe a warning? Something like that.
Yea, they should have given him few warnings before taking any action. And perhaps they were harsh. But Im just saying there is a reason, and when you have schedule and stuff, you cant really do what you want and when you want otherwise it screws up everything for the whole team/band. So basically dave caused this problem, but rest of the band didn't do much to help him. So it's kinda 50/50.
Sandtrap
04-17-2005, 02:51 PM
Yeah, but think about it from Dave's point of view. He wasn't given any chances. The people he thought were his friends just said bye to him one day and never talked to him for years and years.
I'd probably have kicked him out too, not gunna lie. But maybe a warning? Something like that.
yeah I know what you mean...they really screwed dave over. I would be pissed as hell if that happened to me! I would wanna screw metallica over really bad. I think they could have been great with dave still in the band. I loved metallica with dave mustaine.
Sandtrap
04-17-2005, 03:05 PM
gay
what?? :confused:
metalcritter666
04-17-2005, 03:09 PM
what makes you say june?
but yea back to the original questiobn it won't be till after the new album's released and that could be a long time from now (kea took 21 days and st anger took 2 years)
They love playing at Donington. Donington is held in June so it would make sense for them to be touring then, and it's probably right after their next album.
PepsiMetal
04-17-2005, 03:11 PM
(kea took 21 days and st anger took 2 years)
Didn't saint anger take 2 years cause james had problems and needed help, and that 4 oclock schedule ****? I dont think he'll need help when they work on upcoming album. I think they'll make the new album much much quicker than 2 years.
Endless Obsession
04-17-2005, 03:13 PM
Didn't saint anger take 2 years cause james had problems and needed help, and that 4 oclock schedule ****? I dont think he'll need help when they work on upcoming album. I think they'll make the new album much much quicker than 2 years.
Haha yeah i totally forgot abou the "stop by 4 so i can spend time with my family" sh!t. This will probly be one of there last albums, so he has 30 years to spend with his children.
Metallica>>>Family :D
Sandtrap
04-17-2005, 03:14 PM
(kea took 21 days and st anger took 2 years)
that might be because they had alot of time before they were recording to write and perform and perfect the songs. However that is an interesting stat. :D
metalcritter666
04-17-2005, 03:27 PM
Didn't saint anger take 2 years cause james had problems and needed help, and that 4 oclock schedule ****? I dont think he'll need help when they work on upcoming album. I think they'll make the new album much much quicker than 2 years.
I agree with that.
However, I think that Bob Rock delays the release date of their albums with his unnecessary over-production...
The Black Album took almost 1 year uninterrupted. Live Sh!t didn't take long, because that was live. Load took about 1 year. St. Anger also took about a year without all the uninteruptions. Pre Bob Rock albums only took a matter of a couple of months at the most. Few Metallica fans like Bob Rock...there's a petition somewhere to get him removed.
cliff solos for all
04-17-2005, 03:41 PM
anyone know when they start recording new album
Huber
04-17-2005, 03:52 PM
The start begins a few months ago.
metalcritter666
04-17-2005, 04:41 PM
anyone know when they start recording new album
They're writing now. I think they are recording too. Expect a release early 2006, possibly before Christmas this year to boost sales. If they're particularly lazy we might have to wait till next summer though...
Who's producing it? Bob Rock?
Has anyone heard Napster Begone or is it a joke?
LarsAgi007
04-17-2005, 04:44 PM
The start begins a few months ago.
It is not accually official that they have started recording there new album yet :thumb:
I have just found some cool info and facts about songs of Metallicas, I will post a few of my favourites.
Metallica - Turn the Page (Originally by Bob Seger 1973)
It was the first single release of the "Garage Inc." album. Its video got a lot of attention because its story is about a prostitute.
The subject matter:
It is about the other side of a band's life on tour. The deafening silence after the audience leaves, the loneliness of hotel rooms and the stares in restaurants.
What Metallica says about it:
About three years before Metallica recorded "Garage Inc." Lars listened to Bob Seger's "Turn the Page" whilst he drove across the Golden Gate Bridge he was impressed how good Seger described the stupefying stuff the fans never see when a band is touring.
Lars: "That song has James Hetfield written all over it."
James: "I heard a song on the radio singing about the road life, a kind of somber, gruff, honest lyric in there. I kinda felt it could be Bob Seger, but the lyric and song itself was great. So it's all to do with that song rather than Bob Seger itself. The lyrics are us. We've been road dogs since day 1."
Leper Messiah
Because of the instrumental style of the song it has also become one of Cliff's trademark songs for many fans.
The song live:
The first time the song has been played live was in the "100 Club" in London, England on a secret gig which has been afterwards called "Damage Inc." on August 20th '87. The entire song has been only played live various times on tour between '87-'89 and once in '92. On the Load tour Metallica played it instrumentally as a pre-encore jam. Such a "Leper Messiah" jam is also included on "Cunning Stunts" which was filmed in September 1997 in Fort Worth, Texas.
Jaymz's dedication:
Once on tour James sarcastically dedicated the song to Jim and Tammy Fey Baker, two TV evangelists who embezzled millions of dollars of charity money.
The claimed credits:
Dave Mustaine claimed he wrote the song's main riff and was not given credit by Metallica. The matter was settled quietly.
The subject matter:
It is about so called messiahs who make a good profit on other people's faith.
"Send me money, send me green"
"Heaven you will meet"
"Make a contribution"
"And you'll get a better seat"
Master of Puppets
I accually never knew Master of puppets was about drug addictions :amaze:
About drug addiction
"End of passion play, crumbling away"
"I'm your source of self-destruction"
- I = drug will kill you
"Veins that pump with fear, sucking darkest clear"
- The darkest = heroin
"Leading on your death's construction"
- It is determining your fate
"Taste me you will see"
"More is all you need"
- Become addicted
"You're dedicated to"
"How I'm killing you"
"Come crawling faster"
"Obey your master"
- Master = drug
"Your life burns faster"
"Obey your master"
"Master"
"Master of puppets I'm pulling your strings"
- The drug is now controlling you
"Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams"
- The impact of the drug
"Blinded by me, you can't see a thing"
- Can't see that it's killing you
"Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream"
"Master"
"Master"
"Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream"
"Master"
"Master"
"Needlework the way, never you betray"
- Needlework = fixing
"Life of death becoming clearer"
"Pain monopoly, ritual misery"
- You're playing with your life
"Chop your breakfast on a mirror"
- Breakfast = taking cocaine on a mirror; or heroin if mirror = spoon
"Taste me you will see"
"(...)"
"Come crawling faster"
"(...)"
"Master of puppets I'm pulling your strings"
"(...)"
Endless Obsession
04-17-2005, 04:49 PM
Theres a lot of interesting stuff like that on encycmet.com.
metalcritter666
04-17-2005, 04:52 PM
It is not accually official that they have started recording there new album yet :thumb:
I have just found some cool info and facts about songs of Metallicas, I will post a few of my favourites.
Metallica - Turn the Page (Originally by Bob Seger 1973)
It was the first single release of the "Garage Inc." album. Its video got a lot of attention because its story is about a prostitute.
The subject matter:
It is about the other side of a band's life on tour. The deafening silence after the audience leaves, the loneliness of hotel rooms and the stares in restaurants.
What Metallica says about it:
About three years before Metallica recorded "Garage Inc." Lars listened to Bob Seger's "Turn the Page" whilst he drove across the Golden Gate Bridge he was impressed how good Seger described the stupefying stuff the fans never see when a band is touring.
Lars: "That song has James Hetfield written all over it."
James: "I heard a song on the radio singing about the road life, a kind of somber, gruff, honest lyric in there. I kinda felt it could be Bob Seger, but the lyric and song itself was great. So it's all to do with that song rather than Bob Seger itself. The lyrics are us. We've been road dogs since day 1."
Leper Messiah
Because of the instrumental style of the song it has also become one of Cliff's trademark songs for many fans.
The song live:
The first time the song has been played live was in the "100 Club" in London, England on a secret gig which has been afterwards called "Damage Inc." on August 20th '87. The entire song has been only played live various times on tour between '87-'89 and once in '92. On the Load tour Metallica played it instrumentally as a pre-encore jam. Such a "Leper Messiah" jam is also included on "Cunning Stunts" which was filmed in September 1997 in Fort Worth, Texas.
Jaymz's dedication:
Once on tour James sarcastically dedicated the song to Jim and Tammy Fey Baker, two TV evangelists who embezzled millions of dollars of charity money.
The claimed credits:
Dave Mustaine claimed he wrote the song's main riff and was not given credit by Metallica. The matter was settled quietly.
The subject matter:
It is about so called messiahs who make a good profit on other people's faith.
"Send me money, send me green"
"Heaven you will meet"
"Make a contribution"
"And you'll get a better seat"
Is that from encycmet?
LarsAgi007
04-17-2005, 04:56 PM
Is that from encycmet?
No its from a website i often visit called www.allmetallica.com, I will give you a link to the page with them all on so you can have a good read :thumb:
http://www.allmetallica.com/info/songinfo.php
I have been on encymet before, its a really good site.
flamesofbodom
04-17-2005, 05:20 PM
They're writing now. I think they are recording too. Expect a release early 2006, possibly before Christmas this year to boost sales. If they're particularly lazy we might have to wait till next summer though...
Who's producing it? Bob Rock?
Has anyone heard Napster Begone or is it a joke?
They arent recording with Ol Bobby anymore :chug:
the next album should be more...well...better
LarsAgi007
04-17-2005, 05:46 PM
They arent recording with Ol Bobby anymore :chug:
the next album should be more...well...better
Since when are they not recording with Bob Rock???
willis2441
04-17-2005, 05:56 PM
howcome everyone thinks mustaine is better than hammet?i mean,kirk did cover all the solos on kill em all that dave did.and dave has never really done a fast solo to blow away kirk.and IMO they are about the same skill
Endless Obsession
04-17-2005, 05:56 PM
Since when are they not recording with Bob Rock???
They are. There was an April Folls joke that they fired him, wasnt funny when i found out it was a joke. :upset:
howcome everyone thinks mustaine is better than hammet?i mean,kirk did cover all the solos on kill em all that dave did.and dave has never really done a fast solo to blow away kirk.and IMO they are about the same skill
U know thats a good point. Ive always just gone along with the masses, but i am having second thoughts now.
FlyingPaul_83
04-17-2005, 05:57 PM
They're not recording with bob rock? :confused:
ThrashMaster27
04-17-2005, 06:07 PM
howcome everyone thinks mustaine is better than hammet?i mean,kirk did cover all the solos on kill em all that dave did.and dave has never really done a fast solo to blow away kirk.and IMO they are about the same skill
Because Daves a better all round Guitarist.
Endless Obsession
04-17-2005, 06:16 PM
Because Daves a better all round Guitarist.
Horrible argument.
Megadeth fanboy.
Huber
04-17-2005, 06:20 PM
They arent recording with Ol Bobby anymore :chug:
the next album should be more...well...better
Please tell me you didn't fall for the April Fool's joke
Endless Obsession
04-17-2005, 06:21 PM
Please tell me you didn' fall for the April Fool's joke
I did :upset:
And i told people to, now i feel like an idiot.
guitarist.kid
04-17-2005, 06:42 PM
So are they recording with Bob Rock or not?!?!?!?! Just to be sure.
And is the rumor on "Re-Anger" is true?! I hope tehre will be solos!
FlyingPaul_83
04-17-2005, 06:47 PM
They are recording with bob, and IDK about the second question
ThrashMaster27
04-17-2005, 06:50 PM
Horrible argument.
Megadeth fanboy.
Oh, you want a structured argument? Ok.
You might wanna check how many writing credits Kirk Hammett gets on what are considered Metallicas best albums. It's not really a lot. I don't see anything special about Kirk Hammett at all. He can't write a riff to save his life, his solos from the Black Album onwards are uninspired and boring and even then most of his solos couldn't challenge people that are average on Guitar. Plus the fact he's one of the most horribly overrated Guitarists ever.
When Kirk comes up with as many quality riffs over the years as Dave has and invents his own style instead of copying peoples then maybe we can start comparing them.
'Tallica Fanboy.
Rasta Rocker
04-17-2005, 06:51 PM
Bob Rock ruins everyone....
circlethedrain
04-17-2005, 06:56 PM
I hate bob rock soooo much. They should get rid of him because if they screw up another album this will be their last.
Endless Obsession
04-17-2005, 07:02 PM
I hate bob rock soooo much. They should get rid of him because if they screw up another album this will be their last.
I also dislike bob rock. But he doesnt deserve ALL the blame for there recent albums sucking. The only reason he gets so much sh!t is because the MEtallica fans dont want to say Metallica sucks they put out a bad album, they just want to say Bob Rock sucks. They also want to think that Metallica can still make another amazing album, so they blame it on Rock.
willis2441
04-17-2005, 07:40 PM
Oh, you want a structured argument? Ok.
You might wanna check how many writing credits Kirk Hammett gets on what are considered Metallicas best albums. It's not really a lot. I don't see anything special about Kirk Hammett at all. He can't write a riff to save his life, his solos from the Black Album onwards are uninspired and boring and even then most of his solos couldn't challenge people that are average on Guitar. Plus the fact he's one of the most horribly overrated Guitarists ever.
When Kirk comes up with as many quality riffs over the years as Dave has and invents his own style instead of copying peoples then maybe we can start comparing them.
'Tallica Fanboy.
yes but im talking about actual playing skill,kirk covered mustaines solos perfectly,now,why does everyone think dave is better?because he was the original?so what,dave has never done anything that is faster than hammets work,and hammet has never done anything that is better than daves work.im talkin about sheer skill on the guitar,now answer me that
megadeth fanboy
LarsAgi007
04-17-2005, 07:41 PM
They're not recording with bob rock? :confused:
Yes they are recording with bob rock, someone made up an April fools joke that the band had fired him though...I think bob rock is a good producer personally, I have saw him fill in for bassists, hes pretty good, and the music was not chose by bob, it was written by the band, all he does is mix the sound, and input ideas here and there... If he was really that bad Metallica would have fired him years ago, Besides they wanted him to be there new bassist anyway, but he said no!
Also, I have never thought Mustain was better than kirk, he was/will never be as creative as Kirk, Also kirk is about as fast as you can get, and besides its not speed that counts in a solo anyway, its quality and that does not come with speed!
Originally Posted by ThrashMaster27
Oh, you want a structured argument? Ok.
You might wanna check how many writing credits Kirk Hammett gets on what are considered Metallicas best albums. It's not really a lot. I don't see anything special about Kirk Hammett at all. He can't write a riff to save his life, his solos from the Black Album onwards are uninspired and boring and even then most of his solos couldn't challenge people that are average on Guitar. Plus the fact he's one of the most horribly overrated Guitarists ever.
When Kirk comes up with as many quality riffs over the years as Dave has and invents his own style instead of copying peoples then maybe we can start comparing them.
'Tallica Fanboy.
Firstly of all, Mustain better than Kirk bull ****!!!
Kirks solos accually get pretty **** high in solo listings and he gets the credit he deserves for his work...
Whats this about him not being able to write a riff to save his life??? Obviously i must have been mistaken when i listened to each album :rolleyes: Silly me thought there was riffs on them, Oh well i guess i have been confused for the past 23 years.. You need to look in the mirror, then slap yourself silly till you knock some sense into yourself, Megadeth fanboy....
p.s Mustain = Metallica reject :lol:
Another P.S = I got pwnd by the swear filter :lol:
Rasta Rocker
04-17-2005, 07:46 PM
I think Dave is a better guitar player technically, but I think Kirk's solos fit the songs better. Like Dave's solos are crazy fast and incredble technically, but Kirk's seem more melodic and rhythmic as well as most righteous shredding
Huber
04-17-2005, 07:51 PM
You two are actling like children.
IMO Dave is better, but that isn't saying Kirk is a bad guitarist. He's good. But come on, obviously you two have different opinions that will never change.
willis2441
04-17-2005, 07:51 PM
and if dave was more creative than kirk why didnt he sell 90 million albums like metallica?he only has like 15 million sold
Huber
04-17-2005, 07:55 PM
and if dave was more creative than kirk why didnt he sell 90 million albums like metallica?he only has like 15 million sold
The whole album sales thing is kinda bogus. Limp Bizkit sold more than Megadeth. Are you going to be the guy who says Limp Bizkit is better than Megadeth? I'd rather hang myself.
willis2441
04-17-2005, 07:57 PM
The whole album sales thing is kinda bogus. Limp Bizkit sold more than Megadeth. Are you going to be the guy who says Limp Bizkit is better than Megadeth? I'd rather hang myself.
shut the **** up
Rasta Rocker
04-17-2005, 07:58 PM
shut the **** up
just cause he's right doesn't mean you can be a jerk off
willis2441
04-17-2005, 08:00 PM
just cause he's right doesn't mean you can be a jerk off
hes saying that im saying that limp bizkit is better than megadeth,did i say that?no.but he made it look like i said that,so hes basically putting words in my mouth
Huber
04-17-2005, 08:01 PM
shut the **** up
Wow, did I tell you to shut the **** up like a total jackass? Don't get so offended. If your going to act like that whenever someone doesn't agree with what you say, be prepared to live a lonely life.
I was just saying album sales differ for different reasons than quality of music. Different labels can promote differently, some may advertise more than others, etc...
Huber
04-17-2005, 08:02 PM
hes saying that im saying that limp bizkit is better than megadeth,did i say that?no.but he made it look like i said that,so hes basically putting words in my mouth
I didn't say that at all. I was reminding you that what you said wasn't true in every case. Your putting words IN MY mouth.
willis2441
04-17-2005, 08:04 PM
ok back to the subject kirk and dave are equal at guitar IMO
LarsAgi007
04-17-2005, 08:05 PM
Lets just end the argument here guys, lets talk rationally because a mod will already be un-happy with the above posts and may even temp ban! I would edit or delete your posts, and speak rationally, opinions are subjective, NOT objective, I like kirk more than dave, You dont, whats the big deal?? Its my opinion and no-one can blame be for having that opinion.. Its just mine, and your opinions are just yours....
I would say Dave only because he is a better riffwriter and songwriter than Kirk. Solo wise, I think Kirk has the edge.
OneMethod
04-17-2005, 08:06 PM
hes saying that im saying that limp bizkit is better than megadeth,did i say that?no.but he made it look like i said that,so hes basically putting words in my mouth
Hes citing Megadeth and Limp Bizkit's sales as an example of how a (crappy) band can sell more albums than an amazing one..
EDIT: Is this thread going really fast, or am I just really slow :confused:
RustedPieces
04-17-2005, 08:30 PM
I would say Dave only because he is a better riffwriter and songwriter than Kirk. Solo wise, I think Kirk has the edge.
I agree.
PepsiMetal
04-17-2005, 08:36 PM
and if dave was more creative than kirk why didnt he sell 90 million albums like metallica?he only has like 15 million sold
Dont forget metallica has james, and megadeth doesn't. James and Lars are the reason why metallica is successful. They're not the best, but they know their way around. Metallica would have been this successful or maybe a little less (but still far more successful than megadeth) with almost any guitarist that isn't a bad soloist. I like kirk more than megadeth, but that's because I dont like megadeth due to vocals which I dislike. Im sure I'd like dave's solos as well if I listened to megadeth, but really, reason I listen to metallica is all of them and not just kirk. And I like james > kirk anyways. :thumb:
The whole album sales thing is kinda bogus. Limp Bizkit sold more than Megadeth. Are you going to be the guy who says Limp Bizkit is better than Megadeth? I'd rather hang myself.
Limp Bizkit are totally different genre. That's like comparing Britney spears, eminem, etc. to blind guardian, dragonforce, and iron maiden's record sales. Obviously, britney spears and eminem sold more than those. Limp Bizkit are pop/nu metal, and they're on tv more than some pop genre stars.
Huber
04-17-2005, 09:37 PM
Limp Bizkit are totally different genre. That's like comparing Britney spears, eminem, etc. to blind guardian, dragonforce, and iron maiden's record sales. Obviously, britney spears and eminem sold more than those. Limp Bizkit are pop/nu metal, and they're on tv more than some pop genre stars.
Okay, put it this way:
If Limp Bizkit put out another record that somehow become an 80s stlye thrash record, it would still sell more, because they are Limp Bizkit and get more publicity. Same goes for Metallica. They get tons more publicity than Megadeth.
Endless Obsession
04-17-2005, 09:45 PM
But if ur talking straight up guitar skill
Kirk=Dave
heavy metal kid
04-17-2005, 09:50 PM
Okay, put it this way:
If Limp Bizkit put out another record that somehow become an 80s stlye thrash record, it would still sell more, because they are Limp Bizkit and get more publicity. Same goes for Metallica. They get tons more publicity than Megadeth.
Don't you think Dave wants more publicity?
Huber
04-17-2005, 11:16 PM
Yeah, but the best he can do is run outside and yell "MEGADETH!" at the top of his lungs. The record labels handle the publicity differently. That's what I was trying to get at.
But if ur talking straight up guitar skill
Kirk=Dave
That's probably true, I wouldn't know. I don't know guitars very well.
ThrashMaster27
04-18-2005, 05:50 AM
God, I'm staying out of this thread. It's full of morons that have evidently only heard about one ****ing Megadeth album.
Kirk is not more skilled than Dave. Dave HAS done faster solos that Kirk. LarsAgi007, you're perhaps that more ignorant bastard ever, Dave is not a Metallica reject. You just think how much he contributed to their early success and shut your face.
fatbandit
04-18-2005, 06:09 AM
*Doesn't care*
Grow up, guys. Not everyone can be the best, accept it. Neither of them live up to the truly greatest guitar players. Kirk pwns Dave in some departments, and vice versa. The fact that Kirk doesn't do riffs all too well is countered by James' riff writing ability. That's what part of being in a band is about - being able to play off each other's strengths and weaknesses to overcome problems and make kickarse music. It just so happens, Megadeth don't have the strength of Metallica in the way that they aren't in the public eye, they don't have Rock producing (like it or not, his producing skills are top notch. The band wanted St Anger to sound that way, and he produced it to reflect that), they don't have as big a push from the record labels, the business sense of James and Lars (they run Metallica as a business too, y'know...).
If you can't appreciate different bands, then don't listen to them. If you like both Megadeth and Metallica, great! Just agree to disagree, before someone bans you quite severely.
And don't come into Metallica threads saying how they suck, and 'Deth are better. It will only end in tears like this.
So, can we leave that discussion? Cheers.
Oh, you want a structured argument? Ok.
You might wanna check how many writing credits Kirk Hammett gets on what are considered Metallicas best albums. It's not really a lot. I don't see anything special about Kirk Hammett at all. He can't write a riff to save his life, his solos from the Black Album onwards are uninspired and boring and even then most of his solos couldn't challenge people that are average on Guitar. Plus the fact he's one of the most horribly overrated Guitarists ever.
When Kirk comes up with as many quality riffs over the years as Dave has and invents his own style instead of copying peoples then maybe we can start comparing them.
'Tallica Fanboy.
Exactly right, I would like to expand this a bit. Hammett does not write ****en riffs (With the exception of Enter Sandman, and man, that's a great example of Metal gone wrong), he is a lead guitarist who writes the solos, and they're not even that good (Well since Master they have been pretty bad).
yes but im talking about actual playing skill,kirk covered mustaines solos perfectly,now,why does everyone think dave is better?because he was the original?so what,dave has never done anything that is faster than hammets work,and hammet has never done anything that is better than daves work.im talkin about sheer skill on the guitar,now answer me that
megadeth fanboy
Mustaine plays ****en fast, you obviously don't listen to much Megadeth, some of Megadeth's insanely fast solos are just Mustaine having fun, the guy plays solos while singing, he's actually a pretty **** good vocalist too, sure he has a weird sound, but he can keep note. (A really good example of this in their song Back in The Day, at about the 1:05 mark, listen to Mustaine sing and Poland comes in over the top with a solo, I really like Mustaine's voice, but HATED it when I first heard Megadeth, so I understand where some of you are coming from, it's just a really weird sound, you won't get it anywhere else, so it's unique, it definately adds something to the music too.)
Mustaine is self-taught, I see people idolising Kirk, you should really look more at Mustaine.
As far as technical skill go, in my opinion, Megadeth > Metallica.
As far as writing go, Metallica are a better all-around (well, anything before and including Master, anything after is ****) band, but that's not to say Megadeth can't write good songs.
I like both bands equally, but I respect Mustaine alot, he is truly a great artist.
Metallica just woke him up one morning, and gave him a bus ticket home, that's not cool. Metallica are assholes. (But did write some good music).
whatduffhuck7
04-18-2005, 07:01 AM
Exactly right, I would like to expand this a bit. Hammett does not write ****en riffs (With the exception of Enter Sandman, and man, that's a great example of Metal gone wrong), he is a lead guitarist who writes the solos, and they're not even that good (Well since Master they have been pretty bad).
Mustaine plays ****en fast, you obviously don't listen to much Megadeth, some of Megadeth's insanely fast solos are just Mustaine having fun, the guy plays solos while singing, he's actually a pretty **** good vocalist too, sure he has a weird sound, but he can keep note. (A really good example of this in their song Back in The Day, at about the 1:05 mark, listen to Mustaine sing and Poland comes in over the top with a solo, I really like Mustaine's voice, but HATED it when I first heard Megadeth, so I understand where some of you are coming from, it's just a really weird sound, you won't get it anywhere else, so it's unique, it definately adds something to the music too.)
Mustaine is self-taught, I see people idolising Kirk, you should really look more at Mustaine.
As far as technical skill go, in my opinion, Megadeth > Metallica.
As far as writing go, Metallica are a better all-around (well, anything before and including Master, anything after is ****) band, but that's not to say Megadeth can't write good songs.
I like both bands equally, but I respect Mustaine alot, he is truly a great artist.
Metallica just woke him up one morning, and gave him a bus ticket home, that's not cool. Metallica are assholes. (But did write some good music).
i have respect for mustain becuase i read somewhere that he slept on his hand one night, and woke up and the docter said he would never be able to play guitar again, he would lose 80% of useage of his hand. but he took lessons and learned guitar basically all over again. and came out with a new record. the system has failed.
Exactly right, I would like to expand this a bit. Hammett does not write ****en riffs (With the exception of Enter Sandman, and man, that's a great example of Metal gone wrong), he is a lead guitarist who writes the solos, and they're not even that good (Well since Master they have been pretty bad).
Mustaine plays ****en fast, you obviously don't listen to much Megadeth, some of Megadeth's insanely fast solos are just Mustaine having fun, the guy plays solos while singing, he's actually a pretty **** good vocalist too, sure he has a weird sound, but he can keep note. (A really good example of this in their song Back in The Day, at about the 1:05 mark, listen to Mustaine sing and Poland comes in over the top with a solo, I really like Mustaine's voice, but HATED it when I first heard Megadeth, so I understand where some of you are coming from, it's just a really weird sound, you won't get it anywhere else, so it's unique, it definately adds something to the music too.)
Mustaine is self-taught, I see people idolising Kirk, you should really look more at Mustaine.
As far as technical skill go, in my opinion, Megadeth > Metallica.
As far as writing go, Metallica are a better all-around (well, anything before and including Master, anything after is ****) band, but that's not to say Megadeth can't write good songs.
I like both bands equally, but I respect Mustaine alot, he is truly a great artist.
Metallica just woke him up one morning, and gave him a bus ticket home, that's not cool. Metallica are assholes. (But did write some good music).
Ok, here's the thing. I have respect for both Mustaine and Hammett. To be quite honest, Mustaine is probably a better guitarist. From what i've heard, his solos are faster. Except that's not what I think. I like Kirk Hammett more because I like his playing more. I like Kirk's solos more than I like Dave's. I don't think it takes much skill at all to thrash like Dave does. The solos I have heard sound like he puts his fingers to it all without his heart in it. I may be wrong, but on Kirk's solos, it sounds like he's playing a lot more with his heart.
Yes, James, Lars, and Cliff did a very mean thing to Dave, but it was justified. Metallica wasn't going anywhere with Dave. Metallica would not be as well off if they never fired Dave. Every Metallica fan should know that the four most famous Metallica albums would not have existed if Dave stayed in the band.
Grow up, guys. Not everyone can be the best, accept it. Neither of them live up to the truly greatest guitar players. Kirk pwns Dave in some departments, and vice versa. The fact that Kirk doesn't do riffs all too well is countered by James' riff writing ability. That's what part of being in a band is about - being able to play off each other's strengths and weaknesses to overcome problems and make kickarse music. It just so happens, Megadeth don't have the strength of Metallica in the way that they aren't in the public eye, they don't have Rock producing (like it or not, his producing skills are top notch. The band wanted St Anger to sound that way, and he produced it to reflect that), they don't have as big a push from the record labels, the business sense of James and Lars (they run Metallica as a business too, y'know...).
You are exactly right. Just because Kirk isn't such a great riff writer (even though he wrote one of the top ten riffs in the past century according to Guitar Magazine and Guitar One) the riffs are james' specialty. Kirk is a lead guitarist. Metallica wants what Metallica wants. Metallica put out Load, Reload, and St Anger the way they wanted to. So considering we're in the OFFICIAL METALLICA THREAD can we drop Mustaine? Metallica did it 22 years ago, can we do it now?
They are two different bands. Please remember that you probably would not have heard of Metallica if Kirk never showed up. Also remember there would be no Megadeth. Just appreciate both
metalcritter666
04-18-2005, 12:46 PM
OK, enough of this Hammett vs. Mustaine crap, I think everyone's getting sick of it, they're both equal IMO, Mustaine technically and Hammett soulfully, now as gocaps said, please can we drop it?
Change of topic - new Metallica album...
heavy metal kid
04-18-2005, 12:51 PM
OK, enough of this Hammett vs. Mustaine crap, I think everyone's getting sick of it, they're both equal IMO, Mustaine technically and Hammett soulfully, now as gocaps said, please can we drop it?
Change of topic - new Metallica album...
now;
Hammett vs. Scott Ian :p
OK, enough of this Hammett vs. Mustaine crap, I think everyone's getting sick of it, they're both equal IMO, Mustaine technically and Hammett soulfully, now as gocaps said, please can we drop it?
Change of topic - new Metallica album...
so when do you think its coming out? i'll say it comes out early '06 and they start touring fall '06 until winter '07. sounds good ot me
fatbandit
04-18-2005, 01:13 PM
I wish they'd do a UK tour outside of festivals...
metalcritter666
04-18-2005, 02:23 PM
so when do you think its coming out? i'll say it comes out early '06 and they start touring fall '06 until winter '07. sounds good ot me
Yeah. I think they might start earlier than that, heh, maybe they can play two Downloads in a row again...that would have been 5 in a row if it weren't for this year.
RustedPieces
04-18-2005, 02:38 PM
I hope they make the next album good because I don't want metallica to retire and have everyone remember them as crap.
Six Foot Revolver
04-18-2005, 02:40 PM
I hope they make the next album good because I don't want metallica to retire and have everyone remember them as crap.
They are seriously not going to change much at all from St. Anger IMHO so if you hated St. Anger I wouldn't get my hopes up
RustedPieces
04-18-2005, 02:42 PM
I liked St. Anger but the majority of people don't. That sucks.
I think they will change, the only two albums they stayed the same on were RTL and MOP (and Load and Reload but that's basically one album) so I think they'll continue to evolve.
lilmetallica
04-18-2005, 03:49 PM
I didnt hate St. Anger (and I probally wont hate their new album) and i dont see why peole hated it
EDIT: hey creeping_deth why do you hate gothikid13?
EDIT II: Does any one know how they came up with the name METALLICA?
LarsAgi007
04-18-2005, 04:08 PM
I think they will change, the only two albums they stayed the same on were RTL and MOP (and Load and Reload but that's basically one album) so I think they'll continue to evolve.
Yes, it is more than likley that they will change. With every new bass player there music has changed quite alot, Look at the pattern.
Kill em all - Cliff Burton
Ride the lightning - Cliff Burton
Master of puppets - Cliff Burton
And justice for all - Cliff Burton
The Black album - Jason Newstead
Load - Bob Rock
Reload - Bob Rock
St Anger - Bob rock
Look at them, the albums (Not all i know) featured here all have dramatic changes with the coming of a new bass player.
Now, its more than likley if you look at the evidence above, that with Rob Trujillo, the sound should change alot.
Also, if you look at the work rob has done in the past, if he gets any say in this new album it would be more old skool.
EDIT II: Does any one know how they came up with the name METALLICA?
Yes, One of Larz Ulrichs friends was just about to publish a music magazine, and this guy had a list of names for his new magazine and wanted Larz to choose one, upon that list was the name Metallica, Another name was chosen for the magizine, but a few months later the publisher realised that Larz stole the name Metallica from his list, As they were good friends nothing ever became of it, also the name Metallica was not copywrited either.
FlyingPaul_83
04-18-2005, 04:11 PM
I didnt hate St. Anger (and I probally wont hate their new album) and i dont see why peole hated it
EDIT: hey creeping_deth why do you hate gothikid13?
EDIT II: Does any one know how they came up with the name METALLICA?
People hated it because it was tuned down and beacuse it had no solos.
I think lars was talking to someone and the guy was thinking of a name for his band, and he said metallica, and lars said no that is not a good name, and he took it for himself.
I think i read that off of either allmetallica.com or encycmet.com
FlyingPaul_83
04-18-2005, 04:12 PM
Yes, it is more than likley that they will change. With every new bass player there music has changed quite alot, Look at the pattern.
Kill em all - Cliff Burton
Ride the lightning - Cliff Burton
Master of puppets - Cliff Burton
And justice for all - Cliff Burton :confused:
The Black album - Jason Newstead
Load - Bob Rock
Reload - Bob Rock
St Anger - Bob rock
Look at them, the albums (Not all i know) featured here all have dramatic changes with the coming of a new bass player.
Now, its more than likley if you look at the evidence above, that with Rob Trujillo, the sound should change alot.
Also, if you look at the work rob has done in the past, if he gets any say in this new album it would be more old skool.
EDIT II: Does any one know how they came up with the name METALLICA?
Yes, One of Larz Ulrichs friends was just about to publish a music magazine, and this guy had a list of names for his new magazine and wanted Larz to choose one, upon that list was the name Metallica, Another name was chosen for the magizine, but a few months later the publisher realised that Larz stole the name Metallica from his list, As they were good friends nothing ever became of it, also the name Metallica was not copywrited either.
Cliff was dead and jason was in the band when they recorded ...and justice for all
LarsAgi007
04-18-2005, 04:14 PM
Cliff was dead and jason was in the band when they recorded ...and justice for all
Yes, that is true, but the Material Jason played was originally written by Cliff Burton :thumb:
lilmetallica
04-18-2005, 04:16 PM
You double posted!!!!
FlyingPaul_83
04-18-2005, 04:19 PM
oops......oh well.
So...How did that online tribute band go?
metalcritter666
04-18-2005, 04:33 PM
Yes, One of Larz Ulrichs friends was just about to publish a music magazine, and this guy had a list of names for his new magazine and wanted Larz to choose one, upon that list was the name Metallica, Another name was chosen for the magizine, but a few months later the publisher realised that Larz stole the name Metallica from his list, As they were good friends nothing ever became of it, also the name Metallica was not copywrited either.
Damn you Lars! I was gonna say that!
LarsAgi007
04-18-2005, 04:35 PM
Damn you Lars! I was gonna say that!
Ahh, Beat ya to it!! I am so supreme! :lol:
Does anyone else have the Metallica - Dark Souls DVD???
VicRattlehead99
04-18-2005, 04:46 PM
Hey whats up all?i know a crap load about metallica and their history so hey.
funkybasschick
04-18-2005, 04:47 PM
i think st anger is a decent album till you hear their old stuff.after that, the music on anger just seems shallow,it doesnt have any depth,you dont notice new sounds everytime you hear it,you dont get excited everytime you hear a certain sound. cant wait to hear the new stuff with rob trujillo dat guy just rules. :wave:
VicRattlehead99
04-18-2005, 04:49 PM
[QUOTE=lilmetallica]I didnt hate St. Anger (and I probally wont hate their new album) and i dont see why peole hated it
I hated it because of that stupid drum in it and james voice is al screming and the solos arent even half as good as they should be
lilmetallica
04-18-2005, 04:53 PM
There is no solos. :thumb:
Only 2 more posts!!!!!!!! Any one else think the price of the metallica fan club membership is to high? Its like 45$ to register and to renew your membership!!!! :angry:
funkybasschick
04-18-2005, 04:59 PM
their best cd is either the black album, or justice. i think lars is at his peak in that one. even though a ****load of people cant stand him, he proves himself a good drummer in justice
lilmetallica
04-18-2005, 05:02 PM
Where'd that come from?
funkybasschick
04-18-2005, 05:03 PM
[QUOTE=lilmetallica]I didnt hate St. Anger (and I probally wont hate their new album) and i dont see why peole hated it
I hated it because of that stupid drum in it and james voice is al screming and the solos arent even half as good as they should be
yeah i think the drums are wot killd dat album, doh der goin for a bit of a raspy, thrashy guitar sound 2, in sum of dem. dat said, i love shoot me again. rob is amazin playn dat :wave:
lilmetallica
04-18-2005, 05:04 PM
Here we go 100 POSTS!!! YAY ... could you please write out that stuff. Seriously what does ..doh der... mean?
VicRattlehead99
04-18-2005, 05:16 PM
Are you serious not one solo in the entire album well if so it just proves my point and funky bass chick could you write that in english please so i could understand that no offense.and my favorite album is kill em all.
lilmetallica
04-18-2005, 05:22 PM
Not one REAL solo there is little riffs in the middle of the songs kimda but i wouldnt consider them solos.
Not one REAL solo there is little riffs in the middle of the songs kimda but i wouldnt consider them solos.
yea but i still like it. For Whom the Bell Tolls doesn't have a real solo and it's still awesome
lilmetallica
04-18-2005, 05:30 PM
You got a point there.
Huber
04-18-2005, 05:50 PM
yeah i think the drums are wot killd dat album, doh der goin for a bit of a raspy, thrashy guitar sound 2, in sum of dem. dat said, i love shoot me again. rob is amazin playn dat :wave:
D =/ Th
yeah i think the drums are wot killd dat album, doh der goin for a bit of a raspy, thrashy guitar sound 2, in sum of dem. dat said, i love shoot me again. rob is amazin playn dat :wave:
great post!!! one problem, most of us here speak english...
LarsAgi007
04-18-2005, 06:05 PM
yeah i think the drums are wot killd dat album, doh der goin for a bit of a raspy, thrashy guitar sound 2, in sum of dem. dat said, i love shoot me again. rob is amazin playn dat :wave:
Yes, the drums were rather odd, Lars seems to have resorted from his Remo Clear pinstripe skins in ST Anger, and for some reason stopped using his signature snare, and started using a piccolo snare?? For reasons unknown..
Also, wheras on almost every album Lars uses a hi-hat for 90% of songs, he has resorted you hitting a crash/Ride (Mid-Stick) to create a washy sound.. I was most certainly not impressed by the drumming on S.t Anger, but i must say the beats themselves were accually pretty skilled and complex.
I think if Larz resorted back to his Tama Starclassic Maple kit from S&M and re-recorded S.t Anger it would sound 80% better.
Also the main thing i noticed from the album was the guitars crunchy, raw sound, I think if they wen't to standard distortion with a little reverb that would have gone a long way also.
In all due respect though the riffs on S.t Anger are amongst the best.
I did enjoy Jaymez'z vocals on the chorus of S.t Anger though, I think the vocals were the best i had heard, it was just the backing vocals that let it down.
I also personally do not think solos helped the album either, I know on the original no solos are played, but on my Unnamed feeling Single, it has Dirty window live, and two solos are played in it, the first by Jaymez, the second by Kirk... I must say they didnt help the song much.
Huber
04-18-2005, 06:09 PM
Some times the vocals on St. Anger seemed to kind of...crack? That was kinda off-setting. Otherwise I thought they were rather good.
LarsAgi007
04-18-2005, 06:12 PM
Some times the vocals on St. Anger seemed to kind of...crack? That was kinda off-setting. Otherwise I thought they were rather good.
Yes, i agree with you there, although the voclas were good, the Lyrics were quite the opposite, although I have yet to write better myself, i know they are capeable of much more...
I think Jaymez vocals were like that because he had been away in rehab so long.... Hes probably not had the general voice excersizes he normally gets.
yea, the drumming could have been a lot better, except your right, the beats were great
i actually liked the guitar. it was really crunchy and it sounded awesome. and you're right again, the riffs were among some of the greatest i have ever heard
Huber
04-18-2005, 06:22 PM
Yeah, the riffs were better than most people said.
Yeah, the riffs were better than most people said.
wow...thread's been dead for over an hour
yea, i really liked the riffs a lot. i still miss solos...
I liked the riffs, but not the guitar tone, it gave me a headache.
To whoever asked, Gothikid13 is a fvcking little cvnt who doesn't know when to shut the hell up.
Endless Obsession
04-18-2005, 08:26 PM
U loved the riffs in St Anger. The only problem i had was with the ring on the snare drum, it was quiet annoying.
Ive been over St Anger so im not gonna explain it in depth, basically my favorites are Frantic, Ditry Window and St Anger
Not one of there best, but sweet album none the less.
I liked the riffs, but not the guitar tone, it gave me a headache.
To whoever asked, Gothikid13 is a fvcking little cvnt who doesn't know when to shut the hell up.
...what the **** are you talking about...?
and yea the tone could have been better
my favorite on that album i think is sweet amber, great song.
Endless Obsession
04-18-2005, 09:08 PM
...what the **** are you talking about...?
and yea the tone could have been better
my favorite on that album i think is sweet amber, great song.
Yeah thats a good one. Its great to learn what inspired them to write it, about the whole radio station and how they have to promote so when they let out a new album they will play it and stuff.
willis2441
04-18-2005, 09:49 PM
just burnt st.anger into my computer!i borrowed it offa this really hot chick so that makes it better lol
edit:anyone know ANYTHING about metallica recording or even talking??
FlyingPaul_83
04-18-2005, 10:32 PM
...what the **** are you talking about...?
and yea the tone could have been better
my favorite on that album i think is sweet amber, great song.
That is my favorite song as well off of st. anger I like the riff that starts at 3:45 :thumb:
NP:Metallica-the unforgiven
vashts80
04-19-2005, 12:46 AM
Kill em all - Cliff Burton
Ride the lightning - Cliff Burton
Master of puppets - Cliff Burton
And justice for all - Cliff Burton
The Black album - Jason Newstead
Load - Bob Rock
Reload - Bob Rock
St Anger - Bob rock
Kill 'Em All - Cliff/Ron (I'm pretty sure at least one of the bass riffs was written by Ron, so hey, you gotta give the man a little credit)
Ride the Lightning - Cliff
Master of Puppets - Cliff
...And Justice For All - Jason/Cliff
Metallica - Jason
Load - Jason
ReLoad - Jason
St. Anger - Bob
<Next album> - Robzilla
.
On another note, the spider riff in Puppets is owning me. I play bass, but it's the same for the guitars. It's owning me on bass as well as a friend on guitar. I'm trying to find a way to come up with a somewhat similar sound but make it easier.
Yeah, Ron wrote Hit The Lights, well bass at least.
Sick song too.
fatbandit
04-19-2005, 04:53 AM
If you want to make the spider riff easier on bass, but sound exactly the same (I osmetimes do it if I'm feeling lazy...), play the Bb as another open E.
Endless Obsession
04-19-2005, 06:59 AM
Whats the spider riff? Is that the part right after the intro?
--2--3--4
01-01-01
That part?
fatbandit
04-19-2005, 07:29 AM
Yes.
Though I realised I made a mistake. Its an F, not a Bb. Wrong string :blush:
Whats the spider riff? Is that the part right after the intro?
--2--3--4
01-01-01
That part?
wait, what? i'm lost. that's MOP. who calls it the spider riff?
Not me. Go to the Megadeth thread for the definition of a spider riff.
Not me. Go to the Megadeth thread for the definition of a spider riff.
no thanks. i'll just call it "the cool puppets riff"
Done and Done.
...ok :thumb:
:spamming face:
lilmetallica
04-19-2005, 10:20 AM
Its kinda hard to play that as fast as they do on the album.
Its kinda hard to play that as fast as they do on the album.
yea really. like the RTL solo is a lot slower live than it is on the album
lilmetallica
04-19-2005, 10:45 AM
yea really. like the RTL solo is a lot slower live than it is on the album
Did you ever notice that fuel on SnM is extremely fast compared to the original recording.
fatbandit
04-19-2005, 11:16 AM
I don't know why that's called a spider riff, nor do I care. But that's what its known as! :D
They used to play Bells a lot faster too. That was awesome, wicked cool when it was faster.
disturbedrocker4868
04-19-2005, 11:28 AM
Did you ever notice that fuel on SnM is extremely fast compared to the original recording.
yeah u right man also s&m is what i think is the best album they have man
Did you ever notice that fuel on SnM is extremely fast compared to the original recording.
hey, you're right. One is slower.
yeah u right man also s&m is what i think is the best album they have man
you're joking, right?
fenderbender89
04-19-2005, 12:29 PM
this is how I play the "SpIdeR riff"
it sounds just like the real thing if you play fast enough.
go to Mxtabs.net for the real way to play it.
A |-----2-----3------4|-----3-----2-2-|----2-----3-------|5\4---5\4---5\4--|
E |-0-0---0-0---0-0-|--0-0---0-0-----|0-0---0-0---0-0-|3\2-0-3\2-0-3\2--|
PALM MUTE ALL 0's
ok so find the tab for Master of Puppets and play the riff after all the power chords
metalcritter666
04-19-2005, 01:57 PM
I don't know why that's called a spider riff, nor do I care. But that's what its known as! :D
They used to play Bells a lot faster too. That was awesome, wicked cool when it was faster.
They play Whiplash a lot faster too, and they play The Thing That Should Not Be in C#. At least on live sh!t.
And (to fenderbender89) if you really must write out a tab could you make sure it's RIGHT?
they're talking about some other spider riff and i still have no idea what it is
VicRattlehead99
04-19-2005, 02:43 PM
yeah u right man also s&m is what i think is the best album they have man
Dude have you ever heard the first four albums?s&m is pretty good but i would not call it their best.
Dude have you ever heard the first four albums?s&m is pretty good but i would not call it their best.
s&m isn't even their best concert footage. i like live sh*t the best
PepsiMetal
04-19-2005, 02:56 PM
Dude have you ever heard the first four albums?s&m is pretty good but i would not call it their best.
Someone else might call it their best though. :thumb:
Anyways, vote here people. You dont have to vote for hetfield, but at least vote for whoever you want to since many people in this thread haven't voted yet. including me. Im waiting to see if hetfield will have enough votes to go on or not. :)
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=330902
VicRattlehead99
04-19-2005, 04:25 PM
i voted for james but was thinking about slash or chris poland.
Someone else might call it their best though. :thumb:
Anyways, vote here people. You dont have to vote for hetfield, but at least vote for whoever you want to since many people in this thread haven't voted yet. including me. Im waiting to see if hetfield will have enough votes to go on or not. :)
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=330902
yea i'm waiting to vote. i really want hetfield to make it thru, but i'm deciding between Slash, Hetfield, and Lifeson. Hetfield really is an incredible riff writer, but it's too bad most people here vote for the astonishing soloist rather than the best overall player (which is why i'm stuck between those three) it wouldn't matter so much if Hetfield didn't go another round, but i think he deserves it.
it should be hetfield/hammett combo, because the stuff they put together is absolutely amazing. it should be like that for the young bros. too
blue3
04-19-2005, 06:38 PM
I voted Slash in that poll..
I voted Slash in that poll..
i see, your a big GnR fan
LarsAgi007
04-19-2005, 06:41 PM
*Voted Hetfield, No questions asked*!
blue3
04-19-2005, 06:43 PM
i see, your a big GnR fanWell it was obvious that I'd pick Slash.. but I would've voted Hetfield if Slash wasn't on that list
Endless Obsession
04-19-2005, 07:29 PM
I voted Hetfield. I know im a Metallica fanboy.
I voted Lifeson.
Because everyone's confused, a spider riff is like this:
-----------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------
---7------5------------------------------------------
---5-8----3-6----------------------------------------
-----6------4----------------------------------------
You finger the chords on the 5th and 4th string with your first and third fingers and the chords on the 6th and 5th with your second and fourth fingers, making changing the chords much faster and smoother.
willis2441
04-19-2005, 08:12 PM
wtf is a spider riff? :confused:
I just explained it.
*sighs in exasperation*
You use all 4 fingers to play two chords, which I illistrated above. The first is done with the first and the third fingers (aka normally) the second is played a fret higher on the string down with the remaining two fingers.
willis2441
04-19-2005, 08:20 PM
I just explained it.
*sighs in exasperation*
You use all 4 fingers to play two chords, which I illistrated above. The first is done with the first and the third fingers (aka normally) the second is played a fret higher on the string down with the remaining two fingers.
well im a drummer,not a guitarist
Strum
04-19-2005, 08:22 PM
I met the thread starter (RTS) in person last year. :cool:
*pulls up a chair*
well im a drummer,not a guitarist
Well, that explains a lot of things :lol: .
Except your avatar.
willis2441
04-19-2005, 08:25 PM
Well, that explains a lot of things :lol: .
Except your avatar.
well lars is a little bitch and i figure i would pay my respects to cliff,cant find any good drummers in an avatar
Endless Obsession
04-19-2005, 08:27 PM
well lars is a little bitch and i figure i would pay my respects to cliff,cant find any good drummers in an avatar
Well Lars can do whatever he wants cause he founded Metallica. :thumb:
lilmetallica
04-19-2005, 09:05 PM
Is it weird that I use my index and pinky to play chords?
blue3
04-19-2005, 09:07 PM
Uh, no. What chords?
Is it weird that I use my index and pinky to play chords?
depends on what chords. if they're 5ths good luck...
and that spider riff thing is really easy. thanks for the tip!
lilmetallica
04-19-2005, 09:14 PM
Like power chords cuz every one i know uses like their ring finger and their indexfinger.
i am the robots
04-19-2005, 09:20 PM
Like power chords cuz every one i know uses like their ring finger and their indexfinger.
that's odd, but do you have small hands? cause if so, that'd make a lot of sense.
Endless Obsession
04-19-2005, 09:22 PM
Like power chords cuz every one i know uses like their ring finger and their indexfinger.
Kirk Hammett uses his index and pinky.
FlyingPaul_83
04-19-2005, 09:50 PM
Voted for james in the poll :thumb:
blue3
04-19-2005, 09:53 PM
Kirk Hammett uses his index and pinky.I didn't know that.. but that's weird cause I use index and ring finger
TojesDolan
04-19-2005, 10:05 PM
I didn't know that.. but that's weird cause I use index and ring finger
Sup julianne :D Actually It helps loads when playing songs like fade to black (you know the part that is fast in the intro) and other solos that require extensive fingering.
blue3
04-19-2005, 10:20 PM
Hey!
I never learned Fade to Black yet..
Endless Obsession
04-19-2005, 10:47 PM
I didn't know that.. but that's weird cause I use index and ring finger
Thats how most guitar players do it. Including James.
Huber
04-19-2005, 11:29 PM
Does anyone have their CD Key that came with St. Anger? I need it to sign up for the Metallica Vault thing.
Some people here have it but won't say it because they're lazy.
I lost mine :(.
fatbandit
04-20-2005, 10:34 AM
I'm not a guitarist strictly, but when I play guitar (and I took lessons, so I assume its right anyway), for power chords I use my index finger and ring and pinky. Barre chord shape...
I was always told using your index and one other finger was bad form?
metalcritter666
04-20-2005, 10:41 AM
Some people here have it but won't say it because they're lazy.
I lost mine :(.
I asked gocaps99 for his ages ago, but he hasn't give me it yet. :lol:
A lot of Metallica power chords only use two strings. The root and fifth makes it a power chord, the added octave only makes it sound brighter.
Edit: to Creeping_deth - is that Diggin the Grave you tabbed?
BassMasterMike88
04-20-2005, 12:11 PM
Voted for james in the poll :thumb:
Good call, because control is WAY more important then speed, and i think James rythmic playing actaully holds the pulse their songs rather then Lars drumming.
Edit: to Creeping_deth - is that Diggin the Grave you tabbed?
Maybe. I just put two random changes down.
lilmetallica
04-20-2005, 03:35 PM
This thread's been pretty dead hasnt it?
Carlos Santana
04-20-2005, 03:37 PM
Thats how most guitar players do it. Including James.
Hetfield uses his indez and his pinky like kirk. mustaine doesnt he uses his index and ring finger
not trying to start a metallica/megadeth agruement just i have pics of metallica with mustaine and with kirk
lilmetallica
04-20-2005, 03:43 PM
I thought I was the only one:amaze: . YAY!!!!
TO ALL: can we try not to start a megadeth/metallica argument today
FlyingPaul_83
04-20-2005, 04:57 PM
Hetfield uses his indez and his pinky like kirk. mustaine doesnt he uses his index and ring finger
not trying to start a metallica/megadeth agruement just i have pics of metallica with mustaine and with kirk
well.......lets see the pics
Endless Obsession
04-20-2005, 05:11 PM
Hetfield uses his indez and his pinky like kirk. mustaine doesnt he uses his index and ring finger
not trying to start a metallica/megadeth agruement just i have pics of metallica with mustaine and with kirk
That might be right, its hard to tell with him cause he just has all four fingers on the fret board and u cant tell how many are hitting which strings. Its so natural to him.
LarsAgi007
04-20-2005, 05:11 PM
well.......lets see the pics
Hell yea!!! Pics for all!!!
http://www.djmick.co.uk/gallery4/metallica_mobile_phone_pictures.html
Take a lookie at these!
http://music.yahoo.com/ar-256997-photos--Metallica !!!! :thumb:
lilmetallica
04-20-2005, 07:37 PM
More than 2 hours without a post it is a sad day in the world of metallica.
Edit : How do you put those linky thingys in your posts?
Sandtrap
04-20-2005, 09:01 PM
I think that threads are a little like the stocks in the stock market. when something big happenes for metallcia the thread is gonna be busy for a long time...but when nothign is happeneding for metallica nothing is happening in the thread...makes sense right?
The thread will be crazy happening when something happens for metallcia...or we just think of a really good discussion topic. whichever comes first!
FlyingPaul_83
04-20-2005, 11:22 PM
So..........can anyone in here play the trapped under ice solos?
They sound impossibly hard to me, but what do i know about solos.
I'm a rythm guitarist
Huber
04-20-2005, 11:39 PM
I love Trapped Under Ice.....
Yeah, I play drums....
FlyingPaul_83
04-20-2005, 11:48 PM
I love Trapped Under Ice.....
Yeah, I play drums....
Yeah i like that song to. It has good rythm guitar, but my friend, who is a lead guitarist, doesn't even want to try to learn that song because of the 3 solos. I guess i could see why but he won't even try
On the cover song, so what, doesn't it seem like his vocals are forced, because i have a live video of them playing that song and his vocals are fine
i was promised lies
04-21-2005, 01:58 AM
Whats so wrong with 3 solos, try and convince him too, there not that hard
mr black
04-21-2005, 02:20 AM
Their the opposite of not that hard, i took a stab and my brain hurt so i said bugger it.
mr black
04-21-2005, 02:20 AM
Also kirk and james do use their index and pinky, i use my index and ring.
appreciate_it
04-21-2005, 05:07 AM
i like trapped under ice. i hate escape....
kill_em_all
04-21-2005, 06:01 AM
hey im new
i like fight fire with fire its all sweet at the start then it goes crazy. also what would u say i you saw a band cover for whom the bell tolls its a great song but no solo and a couple of people said it was a bit stock
What? The original doesn't have a solo, but are you talking about the cover or the original.
Spelling as well. And punctuation.
VicRattlehead99
04-21-2005, 02:39 PM
Well i would have to say my favorite on ride the lightning (since were on the subject) would have to be the call of ktulu by the way does any one know what ktulu is?
DisposableHeroes
04-21-2005, 02:44 PM
Its a HP Lovecraft creature
RustedPieces
04-21-2005, 02:52 PM
I like either fade to black or for whom the bell tolls the best on RTL.
lilmetallica
04-21-2005, 03:26 PM
Same here. I like them all actually.
Huber
04-21-2005, 03:32 PM
My favorite on RTL is either Trapped Under Ice or Creeping Death.
FlyingPaul_83
04-21-2005, 03:59 PM
RTL is their best album, there is no bad song on RTL.
fatbandit
04-21-2005, 04:02 PM
Favourite RTL song? Ktulu or RTL methinks. Ooh, and Fade to Black.
FlyingPaul_83
04-21-2005, 04:09 PM
Favourite RTL song? Ktulu or RTL methinks. Ooh, and Fade to Black.
same here, those are two of the greatest songs i've ever heard
fatbandit
04-21-2005, 04:27 PM
I really just had an urge to listen to RTL (song, not album) the other day. Don't know why. Quality track. And the atmosphere in Ktulu is so amazing, its untrue. Probably tops Orion in quality and atmosphere IMO, though I appreciate Orion more probably.
VicRattlehead99
04-21-2005, 04:34 PM
Its a HP Lovecraft creature
Sorry but what is a HP lovecraft creature? :confused:
lilmetallica
04-21-2005, 04:36 PM
HP lovecraft is a writer and thats one of the creatures from one o' his books.
VicRattlehead99
04-21-2005, 04:38 PM
Ohh does any one know what book and what kind of creature it is?
lilmetallica
04-21-2005, 04:59 PM
Go to allmetallica.com. It will say there.
No sorry it doesnt I checked.
Sandtrap
04-21-2005, 04:59 PM
a fictonary creature
lilmetallica
04-21-2005, 05:01 PM
This may be a stupid question but how far exactly is a full bend?
VicRattlehead99
04-21-2005, 05:08 PM
I fictonary creature
are you saying that you are a fictional crearture?if not what kind of fictional creature is ktulu?
metalcritter666
04-21-2005, 05:13 PM
Ohh does any one know what book and what kind of creature it is?
It lives under the sea. I think its some sort of octopus.
A full bend is 2 semitones, 1 full tone. (i.e. from D to E, or G# to A#, whatever)
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