Metallica Inc.

[^Dream~Theater^]

Kill 'em All
- Seek and Destroy
- Four Horsemen
- Whiplash

Ride the Lightning (If you have the book, learn them all)
- Call of Ktulu
- Creeping Death
- For Whom the Bell Tolls or Ride the Lightning
- Fade to Black

Master of Puppets
- Master of Puppets
- Battery
- Damage Inc.

...And Justice for All
- Blackened
- Eye of the Beholder
- One

Those are just my suggestions, take them for what they're worth. Those are my favorite songs to play off of each cd up to the Black Album (which I do not like very much).
He said some of the easier songs to play, and you name 1/2 the hard ones.
Blackened, Damage.Inc, Four Horsemen, Master Of Puppets, Battery...

[thelittledrummerboy]

There's barely any metallica songs without solo's.

Doesn't St Anger have no solo's on it. Not sure that's what my guitarist said. He's a mettallica freak. We play Sad but true in our band, but i wanna play more now that i've seen their "cunning Stunts" dvd, especially "for whom the bell tolls".

[^Dream~Theater^]

Doesn't St Anger have no solo's on it. Not sure that's what my guitarist said. He's a mettallica freak. We play Sad but true in our band, but i wanna play more now that i've seen their "cunning Stunts" dvd, especially "for whom the bell tolls".
There are NO solos on ST.Anger, your guitarist is correct. Some more easier and fun songs to play would be: Enter Sandman, For Whom The Bell Tolls, The Thing That Should Not Be, Eye Of The Beholder, Fuel, Of Wolf And Man, Nothing Else Matters.

[Freezing Moon]

He said some of the easier songs to play, and you name 1/2 the hard ones.
Blackened, Damage.Inc, Four Horsemen, Master Of Puppets, Battery...

I guess. I don't really consider them all that hard though with the exception of a few parts. Although, I didn't really take the easy part into consideration as much as the sounding "kick-***" part. Sorry.

[Ibanex0110]

I think it's funny when people dislike st. anger for having no solos on it. granted, most of the songs on there are below par, and just plain boring (title track). but there are some songs that I think are pretty catchy, even if it is simple songwriting

[metal_milita]

A lot of people count on solo's too much these days, as do the bands. IMO they're over-rated. I don't see skill of a guitarists through how fast they can shred up and down a fretboard (although I am always hopeful to see Hammett light his guitar on fire and play with his teeth :D ), but I always listen for the main riff's and chorus. Without a good riff, Hammet can do any solo and I still won't get into the song as much as I would if it had a killer MOP style riff. Even if Kirk layed down a "Dyers Eve" style solo in St.Anger, how many of you can say they would like that song any better??

[Freezing Moon]

Even if Kirk layed down a "Dyers Eve" style solo in St.Anger, how many of you can say they would like that song any better??

123 to everything but that. I'd like it better, but in my opinion it would still suck, badly I might add.

Mainly because of the main riffs, and everything else about the song, but also because the solo wouldn't fit at all. I'd only like it better because he at least put the effort in to have a good fast solo.

[JACKROXYOU]

i was reminded why i like i disappear today

that song rocks

[thelittledrummerboy]

There are NO solos on ST.Anger, your guitarist is correct. Some more easier and fun songs to play would be: Enter Sandman, For Whom The Bell Tolls, The Thing That Should Not Be, Eye Of The Beholder, Fuel, Of Wolf And Man, Nothing Else Matters.

Cheers mate!! I'll suggest some of those songs. Although i'm not really into the re-load album but fuel is an exception :thumb:

[Leper]

It's so true! St. Anger was so bad not even Kirk Hammett could save it. However at least a couple of attempted solos might've diverted our attention from the crappy songwriting. It just seems as tho Kirk wasn't even a part of the band during the recording. I mean, what the hell is the point in 2 rythm guitars??

[RNR]

This is because Lars convinced him that guitar solos are dead and that they would get more money if they played nu metal.

[Freezing Moon]

This is because Lars convinced him that guitar solos are dead and that they would get more money if they played nu metal.


The only dead thing is the sound of Lars' drums on that album.

Edit: Oh, and decent Metallica.

IMO

[Leper]

I don't know why they thought they'd be more successful by sounding like everybody else seeing as how MOST (not all) "Nu Metal" bands sound the same.

[Huber]

My iPod was on shuffle today. I was listening to this song, and totally was into it. I felt like just going all out in public. I had no idea what it was. I looked at the iPod and it said "Metallica - St. Anger"

I was shocked and now I realise that just because it's Metallica and it was highly anticipated and all that doesn't mean it's a bad song/album.

[scrilly]

To clear up something, Whiskey In The Jar is a cover of the Thin Lizzy song
True, but the Thin Lizzy song is a cover of an Irish folk song (and shame on the people that thought it was country/americana...)

[I'mhungryForASandwich]

My iPod was on shuffle today. I was listening to this song, and totally was into it. I felt like just going all out in public. I had no idea what it was. I looked at the iPod and it said "Metallica - St. Anger"

I was shocked and now I realise that just because it's Metallica and it was highly anticipated and all that doesn't mean it's a bad song/album.

True, but it could have been produced alot better. Better quality drums/singing, maybe some solos.

[Leper]

Ya it didn't seem very well produced did it? Kinda had a dirtier sound to it. I dunno, maybe that's what they were goin for, kind of a raw/live feel. Whatever it was it didn't work for them.

[Freezing Moon]

Ya it didn't seem very well produced did it? Kinda had a dirtier sound to it. I dunno, maybe that's what they were goin for, kind of a raw/live feel. Whatever it was it didn't work for them.

Yes, the drums were tuned like ****, and the complete lack of solo's just seemed un-holy for a Metallica album.

I've given my opinion on St. Anger a few times already in this thread, but the main point of it is..

Even though I, and many other people, don't like it, it was still a good album. If it weren't made by Metallica, many people would have liked it, but, it was made by Metallica. Compared to anything else they've made, it pretty much sucked.

[^Dream~Theater^]

The only dead thing is the sound of Lars' drums on that album.

Edit: Oh, and decent Metallica.

IMO
The drums on St.Anger did blow. But Metallica is still more than decent, i seen then on their recent tour and they owned hard.

[Freezing Moon]

The drums on St.Anger did blow. But Metallica is still more than decent, i seen then on their recent tour and they owned hard.


I saw them too. They did indeed own hard. I think I was referring to their studio ****, because I don't see why I would say they aren't decent anymore... I probably didn't make it very clear. I am pretty tired.

Oh well, the idea made sense in my head. :)

[Leper]

Yes, the drums were tuned like ****, and the complete lack of solo's just seemed un-holy for a Metallica album.

I've given my opinion on St. Anger a few times already in this thread, but the main point of it is..

Even though I, and many other people, don't like it, it was still a good album. If it weren't made by Metallica, many people would have liked it, but, it was made by Metallica. Compared to anything else they've made, it pretty much sucked.

I don't think you could've put that any better. :thumb:

[^Dream~Theater^]

I saw them too. They did indeed own hard. I think I was referring to their studio ****, because I don't see why I would say they aren't decent anymore... I probably didn't make it very clear. I am pretty tired.

Oh well, the idea made sense in my head. :)
It's all good :thumb:

[I'mhungryForASandwich]

Metallica is diffinately past their prime, but that dosent mean they still cant make good music. They still play their old music, and like you guys said above^, they still rock. :thumb:

[ArcLite]

There's no doubt about it that they are still capable of putting out a quality album, its just a question of will they.

[Joe]

There's no doubt about it that they are still capable of putting out a quality album, its just a question of will they.

exactly. just because their last album sucked doesn't mean the next one will too

[Joe]

so they hit studios pretty soon, i hear. wonder what kinda songs we're going to hear out of it...

[Burdcheese]

Just to clear up on thing for all/most Metallica fans, a good song does *NOT* need a guitar solo. I have always found that Metallica fans worship their solo, and think any song without one is crap.


Certainly true, its just that a good guitar solo can make a song that extra bit special. They also give greater variety in longer songs.

[munky_magik]

Certainly true, its just that a good guitar solo can make a song that extra bit special. They also give greater variety in longer songs.

The songs wouldn't be so long without the inclusion of the solos.

[Burdcheese]

Touché

[munky_magik]

Indeed :p

[Burdcheese]

waitacottonpickinminute....

I have been tricked :p

All this would imply that I have something against long songs :eek:

[munky_magik]

waitacottonpickinminute....

I have been tricked :p

All this would imply that I have something against long songs :eek:

I find that long songs are fine as long as they diversify.
One thing that Metallica are particularly guilty of, IMO, is dragging out songs for too long without changing them enough.

[Burdcheese]

Very true. AJFA and St. Anger are most guilty of it (though obviously differing in quality).

Load also has a couple of varietiless giants (Bleeding Me, Outlaw Torn). Though they're not necessarily the best songs - they go on a bit

[DisposableHeroes]

I don't think you could've put that any better. :thumb:

Leppermessiah, are you on the Exodus boards?

[munky_magik]

Very true. AJFA and St. Anger are most guilty of it (though obviously differing in quality).

Load also has a couple of varietiless giants (Bleeding Me, Outlaw Torn). Though they're not necessarily the best songs - they go on a bit

Outlaw Torn get's away with it in my eyes as it is horrendously epic.
But alot of their songs do tend to drag on for a bit too long.

[Leper]

Leppermessiah, are you on the Exodus boards?

no.....what's that?

[Leper]

Outlaw Torn get's away with it in my eyes as it is horrendously epic.
But alot of their songs do tend to drag on for a bit too long.

Another song that drags on without variety, as much as i love it, is the four horsemen. Too much time is taken up by simply thrashing the same cord and it gets somewhat tiresome the second time around.

[Mister_Che]

Umm, next topic, Hmm....



who do you think has better guitars (aesthetically), James or Kirk?

I asked this earlier but no one saw, just curious for an answer. Personally I prefer the Explorer shape so my vote goes out to James.

[JACKROXYOU]

disposable hero always surprised me by how long it is

it ends and im like wow that was 8 min.?

[btoto]

^The only part I hate in 4 horsemen is the one they added in middle. Therefore, I love Mechanix from NLTL demo and Megadeth's Mechanix.

[Leper]

disposable hero always surprised me by how long it is

it ends and im like wow that was 8 min.?

I totally agree with you. Disposable heroes is without a doubt my favourite Metallica song and it always seems to end too soon for my liking.

[benfan]

I asked this earlier but no one saw, just curious for an answer. Personally I prefer the Explorer shape so my vote goes out to James.

i agree, james plays cool guitars, explorers, vipers. and all the agressiveness of james live. kirk is cool too but my vote goes out to james

[dave mustaine #2]

can anyone play the solo to frayed ends of sanity and if so can any1 tell me how its played or where i can find a tab for it cuz ive looked and cant find one

[munky_magik]

can anyone play the solo to frayed ends of sanity and if so can any1 tell me how its played or where i can find a tab for it cuz ive looked and cant find one

http://www.mxtabs.net/tab_versions.php?path=Guitar,m,799,Metallica,The+F rayed+Ends+of+Sanity,3485 - This was the very first tab that I looked at on our very own dear MX.

[Aberrationbass]

i personally dont see st anger as there worst album it think load and re-load had good tracks but alot of ****.........
it pisses me off live when they leave out the melodic section in the four horsemen with the ascending bass line that bits awsome.
And Justice was awsome i think the songs are the right length for what they are.
What do you think is metallicas heavyest song?(i apologise if this has been done)
personally creeping death dyers eve or whiplash

[^Dream~Theater^]

Dyers Eve

[benfan]

ronnie lol

[Joe]

i personally dont see st anger as there worst album it think load and re-load had good tracks but alot of ****.........
it pisses me off live when they leave out the melodic section in the four horsemen with the ascending bass line that bits awsome.
And Justice was awsome i think the songs are the right length for what they are.
What do you think is metallicas heavyest song?(i apologise if this has been done)
personally creeping death dyers eve or whiplash

creeping death

master of puppets is pretty heavy, until the middle

[Joe]

ronnie lol

wtf are you talking about?

[Joe]

Very true. AJFA and St. Anger are most guilty of it (though obviously differing in quality).

Load also has a couple of varietiless giants (Bleeding Me, Outlaw Torn). Though they're not necessarily the best songs - they go on a bit

well the only really long songs that i disslike are from recent albums. IMO, i didn't really notice when all the 1980's songs were 10 minutes long. Puppets is 8ish, Disposable Heros is 8ish, AJFA is 10ish, One is 9ish, the instrumentals are 8/9, etc

[Burdcheese]

wtf are you talking about?

Well I suppose its quite dark lyrically, but heavy? Not really.

[Joe]

well maybe, not really tho

[DBoons Ghost]

I saw them live in 86 on the Puppets tour.

Blew me away.

I saw them in 94 at Woodstock, I put on headphones.

As far as I'm concerned, they broke up when Cliffy died. They should have anyway. I think they killed him so they could sell out. Because we all know Cliff is the only thing that kept them grounded.

[^Dream~Theater^]

I saw them live in 86 on the Puppets tour.

Blew me away.

I saw them in 94 at Woodstock, I put on headphones.

As far as I'm concerned, they broke up when Cliffy died. They should have anyway. I think they killed him so they could sell out. Because we all know Cliff is the only thing that kept them grounded.
That is the most retarded thing ive ever heard.

[DBoons Ghost]

That is the most retarded thing ive ever heard.

Only if you think I'm actually serious.

[Joe]

I saw them live in 86 on the Puppets tour.

Blew me away.

I saw them in 94 at Woodstock, I put on headphones.

As far as I'm concerned, they broke up when Cliffy died. They should have anyway. I think they killed him so they could sell out. Because we all know Cliff is the only thing that kept them grounded.


sweet (the concert) i kinda wasn't alive then :upset:

i think it took a major toll on their music. it was never the same

[DBoons Ghost]

sweet (the concert) i kinda wasn't alive then :upset:

i think it took a major toll on their music. it was never the same

No. Cliff died. That was it.

It was weird because they were opening for Ozzy.. and even Ozzy was pretty shocked when people booed him and screamed for Metallica to come back out.

He took it well. Ozzy sucked that night though. Jake E Lee was a clown with his Charvel guitars..

Anyways, I've seen Metallica so many times after that, and nothing compares to that one show. I also saw them on their first tour right after Cliff died and they were horrible, but And Justice wasn't a bad album. Once I saw the video on MTV for "One" everyone knew it was over.

So sad.

[Joe]

Anyways, I've seen Metallica so many times after that, and nothing compares to that one show. I also saw them on their first tour right after Cliff died and they were horrible, but And Justice wasn't a bad album. Once I saw the video on MTV for "One" everyone knew it was over.

So sad.

what do you mean? the fact that they had a music video?

[ReturningTheReaction]

in my opinion battery is one of thier greatest songs along with all the classics but i thnk tht black is thier best album

[DBoons Ghost]

what do you mean? the fact that they had a music video?

Yes.

I think it would be funny if Metallica fans of today knew what they used to say in all those old articles in Circus and Kerrang magazine which I should be able to find if I look around my house. How they'd never make a video and sell out, how they would always do their own thing and never cater to the fans because they wanted to make the music they wanted to make. How they'd never cave in like all the faggy hair bands and you would never find Metallica on MTV because they're all corporate slimeballs..

Yet...

Cliff dies and all of a sudden.. I dunno. To each his own in the end, but I was no longer a fan like most my age. Good for them for being able to sell it to the younger folk..

[^Dream~Theater^]

Yes.

I think it would be funny if Metallica fans of today knew what they used to say in all those old articles in Circus and Kerrang magazine which I should be able to find if I look around my house. How they'd never make a video and sell out, how they would always do their own thing and never cater to the fans because they wanted to make the music they wanted to make. How they'd never cave in like all the faggy hair bands and you would never find Metallica on MTV because they're all corporate slimeballs..

Yet...

Cliff dies and all of a sudden.. I dunno. To each his own in the end, but I was no longer a fan like most my age. Good for them for being able to sell it to the younger folk..
Making a music video dosen't mean selling out. Maybe they wanted to show the powerful messages in the song while using video clips. If you dont like Metallica, then don't post in here.

[Joe]

Yes.

I think it would be funny if Metallica fans of today knew what they used to say in all those old articles in Circus and Kerrang magazine which I should be able to find if I look around my house. How they'd never make a video and sell out, how they would always do their own thing and never cater to the fans because they wanted to make the music they wanted to make. How they'd never cave in like all the faggy hair bands and you would never find Metallica on MTV because they're all corporate slimeballs..

Yet...

Cliff dies and all of a sudden.. I dunno. To each his own in the end, but I was no longer a fan like most my age. Good for them for being able to sell it to the younger folk..

cliff was the heart of the band tho. i don't see james wanting a music video, i guess he was pushed into it by lars and kirk or something. they have sold out every concert and didn't have a music video for years, i don't understand why they changed

[ReturningTheReaction]

the nu bassit annoys the **** out of me he looks like a gorilla

[^Dream~Theater^]

the nu bassit annoys the **** out of me he looks like a gorilla
Learn how to spell.

[DBoons Ghost]

Making a music video dosen't mean selling out. Maybe they wanted to show the powerful messages in the song while using video clips. If you dont like Metallica, then don't post in here.

Quite the contrary sir. People need to be educated about the fact that they are nothing but sellouts fooling their fans with garbage music.

They lied to their fans and keep a veil over their new fans eyes.

They are the epitome of sellout garbage music and they are what made hair metal fail.

In fact, they don't even deserve to be called metal anymore. They should be relegated to pop or pop metal or something.

Don't be a fanboy. And in the future, don't dare tell me where to post.

[Joe]

the nu bassit annoys the **** out of me he looks like a gorilla

nu, hmm, you know, it's just one extra letter to spell "new" and to not get flamed as much.

he looks like a gorilla, but he's the best bassist metallica has ever had SKILLFULLY.

[munky_magik]

Making a music video dosen't mean selling out. Maybe they wanted to show the powerful messages in the song while using video clips. If you dont like Metallica, then don't post in here.
he's just offering an alternate view on the band, it's not like he's mindlessly flaming them or anything.

[^Dream~Theater^]

Quite the contrary sir. People need to be educated about the fact that they are nothing but sellouts fooling their fans with garbage music.

They lied to their fans and keep a veil over their new fans eyes.

They are the epitome of sellout garbage music and they are what made hair metal fail.

In fact, they don't even deserve to be called metal anymore. They should be relegated to pop or pop metal or something.

Don't be a fanboy. And in the future, don't dare tell me where to post.
I'm not being a fanboy, it's just that you have something against metallica and it seems like blatant nonsense and it seems like your just trying to provoke a fight. Just because you think they sold out after cliff died dosen't mean they did. It's just your observation

[DBoons Ghost]

I'm not being a fanboy, it's just that you have something against metallica and it seems like blatant nonsense. Just because you think they sold out after cliff died dosen't mean they did. It's just your observation

Wrong.

It's my entire generation's observation. I don't know anyone my age who likes them anymore, and all my friends who loved them as I did once agree.

They make music for your generation now. The MTV generation. You guys don't get it.

Actually, I truly have nothing good to say here. So maybe me trolling in here for my personal amusement is not such a good idea. However, they are liars. They sold out.

Put Ride the Lightning on.

Then put Black on.

Tell me there is even a shred of commonality. Tell me they sound like the same band.

Tell me that after hearing St. Anger that it sounds even remotely like Master of Puppets.

Can you? Can you hear a tinge of Enter Sandman in any of their previous music? If Enter Sandman is so similar to their other music, how come I never heard Leper Messiah on the radio? Or Sanitarium?

I will go away now. A bitter old school fan of a what was once among the better speed/thrash bands. Now a pop metal crapper.

[^Dream~Theater^]

Wrong.

It's my entire generation's observation. I don't know anyone my age who likes them anymore, and all my friends who loved them as I did once agree.

They make music for your generation now. The MTV generation. You guys don't get it.

Actually, I truly have nothing good to say here. So maybe me trolling in here for my personal amusement is not such a good idea. However, they are liars. They sold out.

Put Ride the Lightning on.

Then put Black on.

Tell me there is even a shred of commonality. Tell me they sound like the same band.

Tell me that after hearing St. Anger that it sounds even remotely like Master of Puppets.

Can you? Can you hear a tinge of Enter Sandman in any of their previous music? If Enter Sandman is so similar to their other music, how come I never heard Leper Messiah on the radio? Or Sanitarium?

I will go away now. A bitter old school fan of a what was once among the better speed/thrash bands. Now a pop metal crapper.
So a band has to sound the same all the time do they? Why is it that they can't try something new? If every band stayed the same, there would be no evolution. Music for my gen? I'm not 12 bud

[DBoons Ghost]

So a band has to sound the same all the time do they? Why is it that they can't try something new? If every band stayed the same, there would be no evolution. Music for my gen? I'm not 12 bud

Didnt say you were 12 dude. I'm not attacking you personally either. You're just too much of a fan to see the truth.

However, if you are going to sit there with a straight face and say that they changed to more suit "popular" versus "metal" I will have to call you either ignorant or brainwashed. They aren't a metal band. From Black on they sucked so bad it made me want to puke. I own them all too. I bought every single one hoping and praying they would at least play fast. Live? They shortened good songs.. Massacred them even. All so they host singalongs with bad pop metal poopoo.

It's not even bad music, but to try and tell me they didn't go soft to sell more albums is blatent lying.

Anyways like I said, I don't know you. Don't take it personal. I'm entitled to my opinion, and I chose to voice it here in this thread.

[Bloody Knives]

well when you look at all of Metallica's CD you notice that on every CD that there is a memorialable song on each for the true metalheads. Example: for me it would be: The Four Horseman, Fight Fire with Fire, Sanitarium, Eye of the Beholder, Of Wolf and Man, King Nothing, The Memory Remains, Mercyful Fate(even if they murdered Mercyful Fate's best songs), Stone Dead Forever, and The Unnamed Feeling.

I did not name S&M or Bunge&Purge because they are like greast's hits CDs

All to all of you how many think that I'm a newb/n00b your r wrong. and 2 prove that just go 2 Raven's Nest (Powered by Invision Power Boards) and look for a member under the name of Knives. I'm one of the most repected members there and I have over 370 post

[Arucard]

Who cares if metallica sold out. Just because they did (not even saying they did), doesnt mean i cant listen to KEA and RTL when i want. Its stupid to stop listening to a band you like because theyre new material is popular.

[Joe]

Wrong.

It's my entire generation's observation. I don't know anyone my age who likes them anymore, and all my friends who loved them as I did once agree.

They make music for your generation now. The MTV generation. You guys don't get it.

Actually, I truly have nothing good to say here. So maybe me trolling in here for my personal amusement is not such a good idea. However, they are liars. They sold out.

Put Ride the Lightning on.

Then put Black on.

Tell me there is even a shred of commonality. Tell me they sound like the same band.

Tell me that after hearing St. Anger that it sounds even remotely like Master of Puppets.

Can you? Can you hear a tinge of Enter Sandman in any of their previous music? If Enter Sandman is so similar to their other music, how come I never heard Leper Messiah on the radio? Or Sanitarium?

I will go away now. A bitter old school fan of a what was once among the better speed/thrash bands. Now a pop metal crapper.


i couldn't agree more. metallica's music changed so much after cliff died. i was only two when metallica put out the black album, so i don't have any opinions about when it came out, but after listening to Ride the Lightning, And Justice For All, and Master Of Puppets and comparing it to the Black Album, i noticed that the music was more rock n roll than the classic metallica metal sound.

to the enter sandman point---yes, i can. wah pedal

leper messiah imo isn't that amazing of a song. i hear puppets, one, and fade to black on the radio all the time. i hear welcome home every now and then, but never leper messiah

[^Dream~Theater^]

Didnt say you were 12 dude. I'm not attacking you personally either. You're just too much of a fan to see the truth.

However, if you are going to sit there with a straight face and say that they changed to more suit "popular" versus "metal" I will have to call you either ignorant or brainwashed. They aren't a metal band. From Black on they sucked so bad it made me want to puke. I own them all too. I bought every single one hoping and praying they would at least play fast. Live? They shortened good songs.. Massacred them even. All so they host singalongs with bad pop metal poopoo.

It's not even bad music, but to try and tell me they didn't go soft to sell more albums is blatent lying.

Anyways like I said, I don't know you. Don't take it personal. I'm entitled to my opinion, and I chose to voice it here in this thread.
Well i seen them on their recent tour and i can tell you that they are most certainly metal and they owned the show(Only playing 2 St.Anger tracks, but added solo's and played them twice as fast) They tried to do something knew, can you blame them after playing the same style for 20 years? If you like it then good. But no need to come in here and bash them on your personal views of how they sold out and how they aren't metal anymore.

[Huber]

Well i seen them on their recent tour and i can tell you that they are most certainly metal and they owned the show(Only playing 2 St.Anger tracks, but added solo's and played them twice as fast) They tried to do something knew, can you blame them after playing the same style for 20 years? If you like it then good. But no need to come in here and bash them on your personal views of how they sold out and how they aren't metal anymore.

Precisely. The shows definetly pwned, and they're still metal.

When Tool got bashed a little for not being as angry as they used to on Lateralus, Maynard simply said if you want the old kind of music, listen to the old CDs, they're still there. Having something new is far better than having something the same. Same goes for Metallica.

You got 4 amazing albums all lined up (5 for us black album fans). They changed a little bit as time went on. But it's nice being able to switch differen't sounds while listening to music, and still be listening to Metallica, because Metallica can do that, and well.

[DBoons Ghost]

Bah...

Evolving is normal in a band's lifecycle.

Like comparing Slayer's Hell Awaits album with God Hates Us All. You can tell it's the same band driven by the same music. Same amount of time passed as Metallica. Yet, they remain different bands do they not? My wife likes Enter Sandman. She likes Madonna for christ's sake! I put on Disposable Heroes, she's like.. "turn this trash off".. I'm like.. "but honey.. It's the same people who sing that Sandman song you like".. she's like.. "Oh well they were smart for becoming more commercial".. I'm like.. "ARRRGGHHH!!!!"

The songs I used I pulled out of my butt, with no ryhme or reason. It's just so obvious to so many people but not to their fans.

I am not trying to convince anyone to abandon them and throw away all their Metallica CDs.

Maybe I think it would be best for me to scan in them old articles. If anything, maybe then you'd understand.

[DBoons Ghost]

Precisely. The shows definetly pwned, and they're still metal.

When Tool got bashed a little for not being as angry as they used to on Lateralus, Maynard simply said if you want the old kind of music, listen to the old CDs, they're still there. Having something new is far better than having something the same. Same goes for Metallica.

You got 4 amazing albums all lined up (5 for us black album fans). They changed a little bit as time went on. But it's nice being able to switch differen't sounds while listening to music, and still be listening to Metallica, because Metallica can do that, and well.

I hate when people use pwn or own to describe something. It's so f*cking moronic I want to puke.

If you would like to talk with the big boys, leave the f*cking AOL chat lingo at the door because as soon as I see "pwn" or "own" I immediately see a drooling retard hunched over him mommy's PC chatting with his intarweb dood's on AIM.

Which means you don't know jack. So.. please.. Let's use big boy words ok?

[^Dream~Theater^]

Bah...

Evolving is normal in a band's lifecycle.

Like comparing Slayer's Hell Awaits album with God Hates Us All. You can tell it's the same band driven by the same music. Same amount of time passed as Metallica. Yet, they remain different bands do they not? My wife likes Enter Sandman. She likes Madonna for christ's sake! I put on Disposable Heroes, she's like.. "turn this trash off".. I'm like.. "but honey.. It's the same people who sing that Sandman song you like".. she's like.. "Oh well they were smart for becoming more commercial".. I'm like.. "ARRRGGHHH!!!!"

The songs I used I pulled out of my butt, with no ryhme or reason. It's just so obvious to so many people but not to their fans.

I am not trying to convince anyone to abandon them and throw away all their Metallica CDs.

Maybe I think it would be best for me to scan in them old articles. If anything, maybe then you'd understand.
I'm basically just saying that, you can't knock a band for trying something new, You can't expect a band to stay the same forever. Just because they dont play the music you want them too dosen't mean that they suck.

[DBoons Ghost]

I'm basically just saying that, you can't knock a band for trying something new. Just because they dont play the music you want them too dosen't mean that they suck.

No.. it doesn't mean they suck. It means they sold out.

Mission accomplished!

Hehe.. :thumb:

:wave:

[munky_magik]

No.. it doesn't mean they suck. It means they sold out.

Mission accomplished!

Hehe.. :thumb:

:wave:
Did you used to be a Mod back in the day?

[^Dream~Theater^]

No.. it doesn't mean they suck. It means they sold out.

Mission accomplished!

Hehe.. :thumb:

:wave:
How does it mean they sold out? They played metal for over 20 years and im sure they finally wanted to try something new. Make them sellouts? No, It just shows they wanted to try something else than what they have been playing for the last decade. Put yourselves in their shoes. After 20+ years of playing the same songs, You would want to try something new as well.

[DBoons Ghost]

Did you used to be a Mod back in the day?

Why yes.. Yes I was.

Long time ago in a land far far away.

I asked to be demodded around 2003 when my daughter was born if you must know.

Aren't I such a troll now?

[munky_magik]

Why yes.. Yes I was.

Long time ago in a land far far away.

I asked to be demodded around 2003 when my daughter was born if you must know.

Sorry for asking, I was just sure I could remember you modding way back then.
Well, thanks for taking the time out from this to answer :)

[Huber]

I hate when people use pwn or own to describe something. It's so f*cking moronic I want to puke.

If you would like to talk with the big boys, leave the f*cking AOL chat lingo at the door because as soon as I see "pwn" or "own" I immediately see a drooling retard hunched over him mommy's PC chatting with his intarweb dood's on AIM.

Which means you don't know jack. So.. please.. Let's use big boy words ok?

pwn pwn pwn pwn pwn
pwn pwn pwn pwn pwn
pwn pwn pwn pwn pwn
pwn pwn pwn pwn pwn
pwn pwn pwn pwn pwn
pwn pwn pwn pwn pwn
pwn pwn pwn pwn pwn

Hope your happy. Resorting to insulting me on a subject that has nothing to do with the argument at hand shows your intelligence. Saying I don't know jack for using the word "pwn" just leaves my argument standing. It doesn't end it.

[JACKROXYOU]

pwn pwn pwn pwn pwn
pwn pwn pwn pwn pwn
pwn pwn pwn pwn pwn
pwn pwn pwn pwn pwn
pwn pwn pwn pwn pwn
pwn pwn pwn pwn pwn
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Hope your happy. Resorting to insulting me on a subject that has nothing to do with the argument at hand shows your intelligence. Saying I don't know jack for using the word "pwn" just leaves my argument standing. It doesn't end it.


ok ok

in the red corner! old school fan who wishes metallica hasn't sold out after cliff's(or because of)

In the blue corner! dude who doesnt understand red's opinion on metallica's direction

who will win... find out next time!

ok mxgrandaddy you've made your point but i wish you would refrain from calling people retards

[Huber]

Whoever told you I didn't understand his point lied too you.

[Rasta Rocker]

cant we all just agree that metallica ****ing owns?
i think most of us can agree the old stuff is way lot better than the newer stuff, but its still metallica

[Bartender]

cant we all just agree that metallica ****ing owns?


No. That's not the point of the thread, though it's by far and away what it is most used for.

[Huber]

Okay, let's all shut up and listen to MoP. I'm over it.

[ThrashMaster27]

You do realise that repeating the word 'pwn' over and over again and saying someones intelligence is low is quite petulant and of all things, hypocritical, don't you? No? didn't think so. As for Mr. Old School, I can understand you point on the whole thing and especially on people using stupid lingo, which is one of the main reasons I steer clear of the pit. I don't get your bashing of them live though, when I saw them most of the songs were from the Kill 'Em All to Metallica era. Not one song from Load or Re-Load were heard.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned Metallica aren't worth a penny these days and sold copies of St. Anger solely on their name. But, the fact is, they released 4 quality Metal albums in the 80's and that's what brought them to fame. Fame they don't deserve perhaps, but that's irrelevant. Anyway, there's my '2 cents' as you Americans would call it.

[Bartender]

I don't get your bashing of them live though..

Did you see them live in the 80s?

[Huber]

You do realise that repeating the word 'pwn' over and over again and saying someones intelligence is low is quite petulant and of all things, hypocritical, don't you? No? didn't think so. As for Mr. Old School, I can understand you point on the whole thing and especially on people using stupid lingo, which is one of the main reasons I steer clear of the pit. I don't get your bashing of them live though, when I saw them most of the songs were from the Kill 'Em All to Metallica era. Not one song from Load or Re-Load were heard.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned Metallica aren't worth a penny these days and sold copies of St. Anger solely on their name. But, the fact is, they released 4 quality Metal albums in the 80's and that's what brought them to fame. Fame they don't deserve perhaps, but that's irrelevant. Anyway, there's my '2 cents' as you Americans would call it.

The point of the "pwn"s was to make him puke.

[Rasta Rocker]

yes, id live in a Uhaul truck to make it big

[ThrashMaster27]

Did you see them live in the 80s?

I wish. Perhaps when I'm finished on this time machine I'll head on back to the Bay Area in 1982 and catch 'em live. I wasn't comparing them live now, to how they were in the 80's, cause that'd be impossible due to me only seeing footage from back then. I was just wondering how they don't live upto standards these days, as when I saw them there was no shortening on songs, no songs from Load or Re-Load and everyone of the band seemed full of energy and played their best.

[Rasta Rocker]

ohh, i thought he meant the way they lived...cause people were talking about their financial situations

[Bartender]

I wasn't comparing them live now, to how they were in the 80's, cause that'd be impossible due to me only seeing footage from back then.

But he was, so that was his point.

[ThrashMaster27]

I'm aware of such, that's why I was hoping for a reply to say how they paled in comparison now, to back then....probably should have wrote that.

[Chu]

Kill 'em All, Ride The Lightning and Master of Puppets are good. If not the best (Well, that's a claim! But then again this topic is full of outstanding claims..) all the rest are ****. Including ...And Justice For All - Metallica were a Metal band (With the name Metallica, how much more 80s metal can you get!) but slowly turned into an MTV Rock band. It was more of a de-evolution...

[ThrashMaster27]

Kill 'em All, Ride The Lightning and Master of Puppets are good. If not the best (Well, that's a claim! But then again this topic is full of outstanding claims..) all the rest are ****. Including ...And Justice For All - Metallica were a Metal band (With the name Metallica, how much more 80s metal can you get!) but slowly turned into an MTV Rock band. It was more of a de-evolution...

You thought ...And Justice For All was crappy? how so? I always thought it was their crowning moment technicality wise. The only negative point for me was a few of the songs being too long, seemingly just to be long.

[Huber]

...And Justice For All was amazing. To Live is to Die is my favorite Metallica Instrumental

[Bartender]

AJFA's production annoys me almost as much as St Anger's :)

I like the album, though.

[munky_magik]

IMO most of the songs from AJFA just drag on for too long, and almost all of this is accountable for by hamronised leads.
I love harmony, I really do but there's only so much I can take from one badly produced album.

[Chu]

I dunno, I can't stand AJFA :P
But Sliptallica's right, To Live is To Die is an amazing instrumental.

[^Dream~Theater^]

I thought AJFA was a good album.

[Freezing Moon]

I agree. AJFA isn't that great, and the production is bad.

One song I really like though is Harvester of Sorrow. The solo sucks and ruins it, but overall it's pretty good.

I think that AJFA is the beginning of Metallica's "downfall", at least for me. The album wasn't horrible, but it wasn't great either.

[metal_milita]

whoevers running around saying metallica killed cliff so they can go commercial, or if cliff lived metallica would have stayed true to thrash metal, you're not very bright.
1) I heard it from here that Cliff had stated in an interview that they were going to try new things. Metallica's been flamed of selling out their entire career. Cliff's own quote (i'm just saying it to roughly what it actually is) "If people think that just because we're on a major record label that we sold out, then w/e." Listen to Kill 'Em All, and listen to Ride the Lightning. Listen to RTL and then MOP, listen to MOP and then AJFA. They're all different. Heres what I think is going on (Only major albums)
NLTL/Kill' Em All---->Ride The Lightning----->MOP------->AJFA------>Metallica---
Metal/Hard Punk---> Metal at its prime----->Metal----->Thrash Metal--> Rock/Metal---->
-->Load-------->Reload--------->St.Anger------->???
-->Rock------->Soft/Rock------->nu-metal-------> Metal/Hard Punk (start the cycle again)
FYI, Hard Punk refers to lots of power chords.
(edit)
My point is that each album has different even with Cliff in the band, save RTL and MOP.... Wait...
Regardless, I stand firm in my belief that Cliff wasn't just some metal anchor. Back when Cliff was alive, I heard Lars/James were the supposed metal anchor and they wouldn't change for no body.

They change their music every album and, big deal. You've gone through it for 20 years, whats the big deal about it now? This is Metallica. If they stayed the same, I'm positive everyone would want them to diversify instead of staying to plain old metal. Im glad they do, because I don't want to listen to fast thrashy metal everytime I pop in their CD. Songs like NOM, or St.Anger are important (to me).

[\m/Pete\m/]

I thought AJFA's production was awesome, much better than the rest of the albums. I guess i sometimes judge a cd's production value by cracking it up when i listen to it. The bass is tight and punchy, the guitars never "fuzz" or "crystalize" to the point when you get that little treble ring, its very well produced considering the time period

[\m/Pete\m/]

I agree. AJFA isn't that great, and the production is bad.

One song I really like though is Harvester of Sorrow. The solo sucks and ruins it, but overall it's pretty good.

I think that AJFA is the beginning of Metallica's "downfall", at least for me. The album wasn't horrible, but it wasn't great either.

What? thats one of my favorite solos'. Why in your opinion does it ruin the song. When they play it live Kirks improv at the end of the solo owns btw

[^Dream~Theater^]

The fact of a solo being good or bad is all in the person who's listening to it.

[\m/Pete\m/]

i know that why i was just asking why he didnt like it. If he doesnt like it that his view and im not tryin to change that, just tryin to make conversation pal

[^Dream~Theater^]

No problem here :)

[Bartender]

I thought AJFA's production was awesome, much better than the rest of the albums..The bass is tight and punchy,..

What bass?

[\m/Pete\m/]

ok sorry i guess i should have been more specific. I was talking about the tightness with the drums and referring that with listening to it with a stereo system (like a nice car or home one)

[Leper]

whoevers running around saying metallica killed cliff so they can go commercial, or if cliff lived metallica would have stayed true to thrash metal, you're not very bright.
1) I heard it from here that Cliff had stated in an interview that they were going to try new things. Metallica's been flamed of selling out their entire career. Cliff's own quote (i'm just saying it to roughly what it actually is) "If people think that just because we're on a major record label that we sold out, then w/e." Listen to Kill 'Em All, and listen to Ride the Lightning. Listen to RTL and then MOP, listen to MOP and then AJFA. They're all different. Heres what I think is going on (Only major albums)
NLTL/Kill' Em All---->Ride The Lightning----->MOP------->AJFA------>Metallica---
Metal/Hard Punk---> Metal at its prime----->Metal----->Thrash Metal--> Rock/Metal---->
-->Load-------->Reload--------->St.Anger------->???
-->Rock------->Soft/Rock------->nu-metal-------> Metal/Hard Punk (start the cycle again)
FYI, Hard Punk refers to lots of power chords.
(edit)
My point is that each album has different even with Cliff in the band, save RTL and MOP.... Wait...
Regardless, I stand firm in my belief that Cliff wasn't just some metal anchor. Back when Cliff was alive, I heard Lars/James were the supposed metal anchor and they wouldn't change for no body.

They change their music every album and, big deal. You've gone through it for 20 years, whats the big deal about it now? This is Metallica. If they stayed the same, I'm positive everyone would want them to diversify instead of staying to plain old metal. Im glad they do, because I don't want to listen to fast thrashy metal everytime I pop in their CD. Songs like NOM, or St.Anger are important (to me).

I agree with pretty much everything you said here except for some of your categorizations, i.e. how in the hell do you call AJFA thrash metal, while calling MOP just Metal?? because of dyers eve, blackened and half of one?? What about Battery, most of MOP, Disposable Heroes, Damage inc.??? These are just metal to you? Can't say i understand that one. Plus, as much as you may or may not have like Load, how can u call it soft rock? Slow isn't the same as soft. Tempo does not vary the heaviness of a song. I'd more like call it soft Metal if anything. But i agree there is a definite change in their sound even throughout the first 4 albums.

[^Dream~Theater^]

AJFA is most definately NOT thrash

[ANGUS YOUNG13]

what is the best metallica song? wats ur opionion in my opionion it would be a tie between ride the lightning or the unforgiven 2 probably the unforgiven 2

[^Dream~Theater^]

Overall is pretty hard....Disposeable Heroes or..The Four Horsemen

[Freezing Moon]

What? thats one of my favorite solos'. Why in your opinion does it ruin the song. When they play it live Kirks improv at the end of the solo owns btw

I just remember listening to it awhile ago. At first I thought it was sweet, and I came to the first solo expecting something spectacular, and it just didn't do it for me.

It doesn't necessarly ruin the song, like I said, it's good overall, but I just don't listen to it as often. It's just my opinion and personal taste.

[Leper]

Whoa why's everyone dissing AJFA suddenly. IMO it's their second best album(MOP of course in the #1 spot). The only things i don't like about the production of the album is how they changed the snare drum (however this only really bugs me when i listen to blackened, and i barely notice it as i listen to the rest of the album), and how the title track is a ten minute song when it should really only be about 7. I could really care less about the lack of bass in the album personally because i think it gave it a more screaming angry sound to it, which was fitting, i think, to tribute Cliffs death.

[ArcLite]

I also think AJFA is second best. Yeah, you can complain about the production, but the songs are top notch next to MOP.

[btoto]

Oh man, AJFA and Black are the two albums I hate. On AJFA, 'tallica didn't care about the songs...they cared about tehir length and speed. That is why most of that album is boring !

[munky_magik]

Oh man, AJFA and Black are the two albums I hate. On AJFA, 'tallica didn't care about the songs...they cared about tehir length and speed. That is why most of that album is boring !

If they cared about length and speed, which are elements of a song, then they cared about the songs.
I'm sure they cared about the songs as a whole anyway.

[Rasta Rocker]

Being a tribute to Cliff....I would think they did care

[btoto]

If they cared about length and speed, which are elements of a song, then they cared about the songs.
I'm sure they cared about the songs as a whole anyway.

I had lots of arguement on this thread about AJFA before. I don feel like writing the same $hit all the time. For me it's one of the worst....in general it's one of the weakest !

[btoto]

Anyway, today I listened to Loverman and it's been about 2 years I didn't click on that song in my playlist.........Oh $hit, that's a very good song and James sings beautiful.

[Justice4all]

I've got into metallica for several years now and they are without a shadow of a doubt a legendary band!

Just wanted to know which metallica album is your favourite and your favourite fast and slow song?

My fav album is: Master of Puppets
Fav slow song: Fade to Black
Fav song: Seek and Destroy or Battery

By the way, any predictions on how their new album would sound like?

[Justice4all]

I've got into metallica for several years now and they are without a shadow of a doubt a legendary band!

Just wanted to know which metallica album is your favourite and your favourite fast and slow song?

My fav album is: Master of Puppets
Fav slow song: Fade to Black
Fav song: Seek and Destroy or Battery

By the way, any predictions on how their new album would sound like?

[DisposableHeroes]

no.....what's that?

Its a band, sorry its just theres a guy on there with the same username

[Burdcheese]

AJFA used to be my favourite album, but I gradually got bored of it and the production began to annoy me.

It still holds my favourite song though. No prizes for guessing which (an uncontroversial choice)

[munky_magik]

AJFA used to be my favourite album, but I gradually got bored of it and the production began to annoy me.

It still holds my favourite song though. No prizes for guessing which (an uncontroversial choice)

come on, people aren't gonna guess unless you offer some incentive :p

[LedZeppFan83]

Metallica is one of the greatest heavy metal bands to ever live, "Enter Sandman","Master Of The Puppets", "Disappear" and "Some Kind Of Monster" are their best songs!

[munky_magik]

Metallica is one of the greatest heavy metal bands to ever live, "Enter Sandman","Master Of The Puppets", "Disappear" and "Some Kind Of Monster" are their best songs in my opinion!!!!!! lolzer!!!

Fix'd :)

[^Dream~Theater^]

Metallica is one of the greatest heavy metal bands to ever live, "Enter Sandman","Master Of The Puppets", "Disappear" and "Some Kind Of Monster" are their best songs!
Master Of Puppets*
I Dissapear*

[Burdcheese]

come on, people aren't gonna guess unless you offer some incentive :p

Think of a number bretween 0 and 2...

Reppage for first right answer :p

[munky_magik]

Think of a number bretween 0 and 2...

0.759 :p

[Burdcheese]

^^close

[munky_magik]

0.760?

[Burdcheese]

too many significant figures...

[munky_magik]

ehh...There's only so long I'm willing to drag this out for. One :)

[Thrash_The_Sabbath]

The only song off of St. Anger that I can listen too is Some Kinda Monster

[btoto]

can I call a friend?

[Burdcheese]

ehh...There's only so long I'm willing to drag this out for. One :)

Reppage to the munky man...


... you 4 star rep whore you :p



edit: when the system lets me

[btoto]

SKOM and Purify are the worst songs on St.Anger

[munky_magik]

Reppage to the munky man...


... you 4 star rep whore you :p
:eek: you say that as though it's a bad thing :p

[benfan]

SKOM and Purify are the worst songs on St.Anger


i like purify i think it has some pretty cool riffs in it

[Huber]

SKOM is most definetly the best song on St. Anger.

[Justice4all]

St.anger's music was not up to metallica's standards. But the sound was raw and it was a metallica experimentation album. SKOM is a good song, along with the kick *** riff for sweet amber. Just hope their new album has better lyrics then st.anger! But whatever they do, they still kick ***!

My metallica gig was at Download 2004. I was disappointed that lars was missing, but metallica with dave lombardo and joey jordison still put on a hell of a show with some last minute jamming and no pyros! Show metallica has still got it!

[Justice4all]

St.anger's music was not up to metallica's standards. But the sound was raw and it was a metallica experimentation album. SKOM is a good song, along with the kick *** riff for sweet amber. Just hope their new album has better lyrics then st.anger! But whatever they do, they still kick ***!

My metallica gig was at Download 2004. I was disappointed that lars was missing, but metallica with dave lombardo and joey jordison still put on a hell of a show with some last minute jamming and no pyros! Shows metallica has still got it!

[Justice4all]

St.anger's music was not up to metallica's standards. But the sound was raw and it was a metallica experimentation album. SKOM is a good song, along with the kick *** riff for sweet amber. Just hope their new album has better lyrics then st.anger! But whatever they do, they still kick ***!

My 1st and only metallica gig was at Download 2004. I was disappointed that lars was missing, but metallica with dave lombardo and joey jordison still put on a hell of a show with some last minute jamming and no pyros! Shows metallica has still got it!

[btoto]

SKOM is most definetly the best song on St. Anger.

Then you most definitely never listened to the rest of the album ! Try at least(if you hate St.Anger and Frantic):

1. Invisible Kid
2. Unnamed Feeling

And Dirty Window is probably the best thing on the album

[iamkirk]

I'm not a fan of St Anger, but personally I think Metallica were trying to dive into the mainstream nu-metal and do a proper job of it as a way to say, F you, which obviously worked as I'm sure tallica picked up a whole load of new skool fans on the way. And I would rather listen to St Anger than any other nu-metal album...I think they did what they set out to do..

Old skool fans frown upon it and tallica haters just use it as an excuse to diss them :P

But for me like so many people have said, 1 more elite thrash metal album, and I as a fan would want them to call it a day.

[Flame_drummer]

Long live Metallica, Nothing else matters!!!(lol)

[Flame_drummer]

Long live Metallica, Nothing else matters!!!(lol)

[Leper]

I've got into metallica for several years now and they are without a shadow of a doubt a legendary band!

Just wanted to know which metallica album is your favourite and your favourite fast and slow song?

My fav album is: Master of Puppets
Fav slow song: Fade to Black
Fav song: Seek and Destroy or Battery

By the way, any predictions on how their new album would sound like?

fav album--Master of Puppets
fav slow song--tie btw unforgiven and fade to black
fav song--Disposable Heroes

[Leper]

Personally i dont think Metallica is capable of writing and composing another ELITE thrash metal album. They can still perform the classics (anyone who saw them recently on tour knows that) but i really dont think they can put a collection of new material together that any of us, even them, would call elite thrash metal. Like i said before i hope we hear more ballads on the new album, and if they do try something really heavy or thrashy, i hope to god its actually well-produced this time.

[JACKROXYOU]

Long live Metallica, Nothing else matters!!!(lol)

thanks for the double post :thumb:

[metalli_freak89]

I wish people would quit complaing about st. anger, I mean. They recorded it like right after they had been apart for a year. And those lyrics were things James came up with in rehab, so of course they will be different. And it was Bob Rock's idea to not produce the cd. They will make up for it.

[Rasta Rocker]

I don't know man, IMO Black Album was the beginning of the thrash downfall for them, and that was over a decade ago

[JACKROXYOU]

yea and if you havent got over it yet shame on you

just go to their shows and listen to the 80's albums and you will live

stop the blubberin

[Burdcheese]

No more St. Anger bitching please.

Its all been done already

Thank you

[Rasta Rocker]

i wasn't complaining, i still like them as much as i always have...last time they came here was the first time since before i liked them, and i didnt have any moneyfor a ticket so ive never gotten to see them live :(

[Burdcheese]

Thats not aimed at anyone btw.
Just a general request

[Mister_Che]

Thats not aimed at anyone btw.
Just a general request

Sadly, it might not change much... :upset:

[btoto]

Nice post Burdcheese :thumb:

Now everyone shut up about St.Anger and tell me who likes Loverman here???

[Burdcheese]

Nice post Burdcheese :thumb:

Now everyone shut up about St.Anger and tell me who likes Loverman here???

I like it a lot.

In fact I like all the songs on Garage Inc disc 1 a lot. Less so disc 2 - especially the motorhead stuff which is really underproduced (but it was recorded live afaik)

[give a wolf a home]

Metallica know how to make mainstream cracking, slick rock tunes, they've done it a million times, they could have done it for St.Anger, it would have been a smart career move but they didn't.
I think a few years down the line people will think that although St.Anger wasn't the best, in perspective it showed a band still willing to experiment and take risks, I mean no solos, snare drum, or production is hardly the sign of a band clutching to a winning formula to make some denero is it?

[btoto]

I like whole Garage Inc and especially:

1. Whiskey In The Jar
2. Breadfan
3. Loverman

And So What is so funny......Jaymz singing : I even suck the old man's c0ck. haha :p

[JACKROXYOU]

i wasn't complaining, i still like them as much as i always have...last time they came here was the first time since before i liked them, and i didnt have any moneyfor a ticket so ive never gotten to see them live :(


save up about 150 bucks and go ****it

[MasterOfPuppet]

METALLICA IS SLIPPING!!!!!!!! Their new stuff sux only their old songs are good...

[JACKROXYOU]

METALLICA IS SLIPPING!!!!!!!! Their new stuff sux only their old songs are good...

you didnt read the last page did you?

stop blubbrin and just go to thier shows and listen to their 80's albums

very SIMPLE

[JACKROXYOU]

so anyways how bout them covers you like

[Huber]

If by covers you mean Garage Inc. I liked most of them.

[JACKROXYOU]

yea specific?

(trying to get people of st.anger and metallica's decline)

[Huber]

Not the best way. Garage Inc didn't exactly get rave reviews. Anyways.

I liked the Last Caress/Green Hell thing they did. Mainly because they didn't make it sound like Metallica, it still sounds a lot like the Misfits. Same goes for Die Die My Darling.
I liked the Motorhead covers. Whiskey in a Jar of course. Somewhat Sabbra Cadabra, but not as much.

[xtreme450]

i'm hoping that since shredding is coming back (more apparent on Lamb Of God's new album, as well as Shadows Fall's) will bring back the oldschool MetallicA. any thoughts on that?

[JACKROXYOU]

die die my darling was funny as hell live cause they kept screwin around before it

i'm hoping that since shredding is coming back (more apparent on Lamb Of God's new album, as well as Shadows Fall's) will bring back the oldschool MetallicA. any thoughts on that?

no but im sure they will get back on track

[Huber]

I kinda think Metallica's upcoming album will be like the older stuff. Not carbon copy, but like the comparison between God Hates Us All and Reign in Blood. Sounds differen't, but still like Slayer. Hopefully we get something awesome and new that sounds like 80's Metallica.

I know that almost right after they started touring, they started writing new stuff. This could mean either:

1. They liked the way St. Anger was going and wanted to do more of it
2. They realized how different there old stuff was when they played it live. Also how much people still loved it. Like we all know, Metallica barely plays anything off St. Anger in concert.

Option 1 is the worst that could happen, and would really suck. Option 2 seems more logical. So, I think they're going the option 2 route.

[xtreme450]

no but im sure they will get back on track

yea...i hope rob has some pretty heavy input on the next album, if/when they do one.

[JACKROXYOU]

yea maybe he can put that ozzy magic in the band

[Huber]

Ozzy Magic + Metallica Magic = LIKE WHOA!

[Leper]

I loved Garage inc. My fav covers are Whiskey in a Jar, Turn the Page, Tuesday's gone (that one was such a new sound for metallica but i think they nailed it). Unfortunately i somehow lost the album a while ago and thus far have been too cheap to buy a new copy. >sob..sob<

[metallicamaniac16]

It seems a lot of people here like Garage Inc. I've been iffy about gettin it for awhile. Is is worth $23?

[metallicamaniac16]

Does anyone else think a lot of the songs on Live $hit sound better than the studio versions? I think Creeping Death, Sad but True, and Unforgiven are. Sanitarium can go both ways IMO.

[Leper]

It seems a lot of people here like Garage Inc. I've been iffy about gettin it for awhile. Is is worth $23?

definitely worth it.

[metallicamaniac16]

Does anyone know if any of the songs off MOP are good to play for a crappy guitarist like myself? I can play part of Sanitarium, but thats all I've tryed, and I just printed off a tab for Battery today.

[JACKROXYOU]

MoP is fun but it will take a while

[Leper]

Does anyone know if any of the songs off MOP are good to play for a crappy guitarist like myself? I can play part of Sanitarium, but thats all I've tryed, and I just printed off a tab for Battery today.

Disposable Heroes isn't as hard as it sounds for the most part, The thing that should not be i've never tried but it shouldn't be TOO difficult, not sure tho.

[JACKROXYOU]

Disposable Heroes isn't as hard as it sounds for the most part, The thing that should not be i've never tried but it shouldn't be TOO difficult, not sure tho.

i just printed it up and it is easy

iwould have never known

[Leper]

i just printed it up and it is easy

iwould have never known

hey whadda ya know, i have a clue haha.

[The Essential]

:lol:

[Freezing Moon]

Does anyone know if any of the songs off MOP are good to play for a crappy guitarist like myself? I can play part of Sanitarium, but thats all I've tryed, and I just printed off a tab for Battery today.

The first metal I ever played on a guitar was Metallica. None of it is really, really, really hard. Just keep at it, and you should have no problem learning any of it that you want. Just look at the tabs and start out with parts of songs that aren't that hard, and keep progressing to the harder riffs.

[Huber]

Master of Puppets is fairly easy to play. Leper Messiah and Battery are too.

[metal_milita]

I agree with pretty much everything you said here except for some of your categorizations, i.e. how in the hell do you call AJFA thrash metal, while calling MOP just Metal?? because of dyers eve, blackened and half of one?? What about Battery, most of MOP, Disposable Heroes, Damage inc.??? These are just metal to you? Can't say i understand that one. Plus, as much as you may or may not have like Load, how can u call it soft rock? Slow isn't the same as soft. Tempo does not vary the heaviness of a song. I'd more like call it soft Metal if anything. But i agree there is a definite change in their sound even throughout the first 4 albums.
actually by writing thrash metal, I was hoping to imply that the entire album was based on speed. MOP had other elements to it, but AFJA was just to show off their guitar supremecy.
As for Load, ya you're right. I just wanted to give a general sense. Soft rock/Soft metal; the point is that its way too soft and slow.
The point of that post was just to show the differences in each album that I had noticed and I hope it repeats like a cycle.

[Justice4all]

Hi guys, i've played guitar for a year now and metallica is my fav band and i've learnt a few of their songs like nothing else matters, sandman and stuff. I want to move on to playing some of the old, faster songs like battery. Just wonder if there are any experienced guitarists out there who can provide me with some tips. Do I just start out playing the riffs slow until I get used to it and speed up? And am i supposed to downpick at all times? Thanks

[munky_magik]

the best way of learning is to play everything slowly untill you achieve perfection, then to gradually speed it up. Use a metronome if you can.
Also use downpicking where you can unless common sense dictates otherwise, e.g Battery.

And this should really have been in the begginers section of the guitar forum, but I'll let it slide. :)

[Justice4all]

After all the talk about how the new album may sound like, how long do you think it'll take for metallica to produce this new album? I heard they are looking to get back in the studio in febuary and start listening to the riff tapes recorded during their tour

[G_Mac07]

Ok, first post in this thread. I'm thinking of getting the Live ****: Binge and Purge set (3 CD's, 2 DVD's). I hear that the audio quality of the CD's is great, and that everything seems to be played really well. I'm just wondering about the DVD's, do they have high picture quality, good sound etc? And most importantly, will it be worth the AU$90-AU$100? Thanks for any info:)

[Justice4all]

the binge and purge DVD/cd set is definitely worth the money. I've recently bought it off amazon.co.uk for 21 pounds! Its a bargain. Don't expect the same DVD quality you see on the cunning stunts or S&M because they were recorded in the early 90's. Its more like video quality, but the quality of the show itself is amazing! The setlist is pretty good and you get pretty much all the best songs from the first 5 of their albums!

[G_Mac07]

Thanks, I'll get it then. I figured the actual quality of the DVD wouldn't be up to S&M/Cunning Stunts standards, but I've seen old live Metallica video's on TV from when they all still had long hair, and they rocked much harder than the newer live stuff I've seen.

[Joe]

the binge and purge DVD/cd set is definitely worth the money. I've recently bought it off amazon.co.uk for 21 pounds! Its a bargain. Don't expect the same DVD quality you see on the cunning stunts or S&M because they were recorded in the early 90's. Its more like video quality, but the quality of the show itself is amazing! The setlist is pretty good and you get pretty much all the best songs from the first 5 of their albums!

dude S&M is just one concert. What i like about Live Sh*t is that it's 2 concerts on 3 cd's and 2 concerts on 2 dvd's. it's an amazing set. it's everythin from KEA until the Black Album (BA was brand new, so not many songs of there). The show is wild (for all hendrix fans hammett does little wing on one of the dvds)

[Leper]

Im not tryin to sound negative with this post, im just really bored right now..so what i wanna know is..What's your least favourite Metallica song, and if you feel obliged to explain, why is it your least favourite?

2X4 definitely gets my vote as Metallica's worst song, in fact to this day i don't think i've ever listened to the entire song, im always forced to change it about half-way through, IMO it's that bad.

[btoto]

Kirk's solo in Seattle DVD is horrible.......except he plays Little Wing very good

[btoto]

No, 'tallica's worst song ever is The Memorey Remains...........and mostly because it was ruined my Marianne. Although it was awesome on S&M

[ytsedrummer]

Invisible Kid. Song pisses me off.

[Mister_Che]

No, 'tallica's worst song ever is The Memorey Remains...........and mostly because it was ruined my Marianne. Although it was awesome on S&M

Same here.

Off Topic - Is there a tab here on MX for the rif they play in the intro to Cunning Stunts?

[btoto]

Mister Che,

Check out ultimate-guitar.com

It's got lots of solos and riffs they played live. Even from Live $hit and 2 years and half DVDs. I don't know about Cunning Stunts though

[Mister_Che]

Mister Che,

Check out ultimate-guitar.com

It's got lots of solos and riffs they played live. Even from Live $hit and 2 years and half DVDs. I don't know about Cunning Stunts though

A direct link would be nice, but thanks for the quick reply. Reps for you ++ :thumb:

[JACKROXYOU]

i thought links were automtically put on

[btoto]

Mister Che,

Thanks man, here it is........I don't know if you'd find what you want but his page's got 590 'tallica tabs and some of them (especially solos) are 100% correct :thumb:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/metallica_tabs3.htm

[Mister_Che]

Mister Che,

Thanks man, here it is........I don't know if you'd find what you want but his page's got 590 'tallica tabs and some of them (especially solos) are 100% correct :thumb:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/metallica_tabs3.htm

Ah, beautiful!! Much thanks. And to repay you, I will do one favor. You want anybody's knees broke? :evil:

[ytsedrummer]

Hey, my birthday just passed ( turned 14) and I was wondering which Metallica DVD I should get: Cliff 'Em All or Year And A Half In The Life Of Metallica. my brother has the rest of the Metallica movies, but these ones I really want, and I can only get one. So what do you guys reccomend???

[JACKROXYOU]

Hey, my birthday just passed ( turned 14) and I was wondering which Metallica DVD I should get: Cliff 'Em All or Year And A Half In The Life Of Metallica. my brother has the rest of the Metallica movies, but these ones I really want, and I can only get one. So what do you guys reccomend???

i like a year and half better

(dont tell them your age!)

[JACKROXYOU]

but cliffem all is great too

[iwasdeadin88]

who can down mute all of master of puppets

[munky_magik]

who can down mute all of master of puppets

*down pick, and yes I can do it once sufficiently warmed up

[JACKROXYOU]

*down pick, and yes I can do it once sufficiently warmed up

yea but can you do the rest

[^Dream~Theater^]

yea but can you do the rest
He already said he could.

[munky_magik]

yea but can you do the rest

what?

[JACKROXYOU]

i know

[^Dream~Theater^]

Then why did you ask him if he could play the rest if you already knew.

[Huber]

who can down mute all of master of puppets

I can. Is it supposed to be hard? I don't even play guitar and I can do it fairly well.

[metallicamaniac16]

Im not tryin to sound negative with this post, im just really bored right now..so what i wanna know is..What's your least favourite Metallica song, and if you feel obliged to explain, why is it your least favourite?

2X4 definitely gets my vote as Metallica's worst song, in fact to this day i don't think i've ever listened to the entire song, im always forced to change it about half-way through, IMO it's that bad.
I'm gonna have to go with Shortest Straw. I've never listened to the entire thing. Where the Wild Things Are is pretty bad too. Even though I don't like those songs, I still love AJFA and Reload. (Yes I love Reload.)

[metallicamaniac16]

Hi guys, i've played guitar for a year now and metallica is my fav band and i've learnt a few of their songs like nothing else matters, sandman and stuff. I want to move on to playing some of the old, faster songs like battery. Just wonder if there are any experienced guitarists out there who can provide me with some tips. Do I just start out playing the riffs slow until I get used to it and speed up? And am i supposed to downpick at all times? Thanks
Learn how to alt. pick as soon as you can. I've been playing for a little less than 2 years, and its one of my biggest weaknesses. I just can't friggin get it right! :angry:

[Huber]

My Least Favorite Metallica song:The Thing That Should Not Be

I still like the song, I just find myself skipping it all the time.

[JACKROXYOU]

yea it still tricks me up in the middle of songs

[Rasta Rocker]

I play bass, and I've read tabs for Master of Puppets, but when i was buying my bass a while ago the salesman was playing what the guitar was playing on the bass and it was ****ing awesome, anyone know where i can find those tabs?

[^Dream~Theater^]

I play bass, and I've read tabs for Master of Puppets, but when i was buying my bass a while ago the salesman was playing what the guitar was playing on the bass and it was ****ing awesome, anyone know where i can find those tabs?
www.mxtabs.net

[JACKROXYOU]

www.mxtabs.net

smooth man

[Rasta Rocker]

yeah, i tried that, none of them are the same thing as the guitar...but it wasnt the exact same thing

[JACKROXYOU]

google search??

[Rasta Rocker]

meh, ill just do some mix and match with both tabs

[KILO5203]

can anyone in here play dyers eve?

[Thrash_The_Sabbath]

i think a return to the thrash metal that they helped create would be a huge come back, it would definately make up for st anger.

Oh **** straight...that's what they should do. Give us another thrash album then finally another black album.

[Freezing Moon]

can anyone in here play dyers eve?

Yes. It's not that hard, just practice it for a while.

[metal_milita]

Yes. It's not that hard, just practice it for a while.
its not hard??
I can barley get all the riffs right, let alone even atempt the beginning of the solo. How long did it take you to learn it??
btw, for the beginning of the solo, is it just (last 3 strings)
-------12------12-
----12-------12---
-14b------14b------
because that seems to easy and slow for it.

[Leper]

I've found most of Metallicas songs are not overly difficult to play, my only problem is that my neck tends to get sore from looking down at the tabs because the songs worth playing are so bloody long. :lol:

[Leper]

the rythm guitar i mean, not the solos, i don't even bother trying them. lol

[djilali86]

About all this talk about St. Anger. St. Anger isn´t a bad album, in my opinion anyway. The song St. Anger is one of their best ever and Frantic and Invicible Kid is two great songs. Its a little System over them, and I mean a little. Not to mention Unamed Feeling.

[supra_speed]

Metallica went straight down after Burton died....if he was alive the thrashy leet masters would still be at their best. hopefully theyll make a come back

...and justice for all i guess........

[hammet_ownz]

not meaning to come in late, but the question of who had the best guitars caught my eye, and IMO i can honestly say i cant go past the wavecaster from the load tour. i also loves kirks quote 'i play this in the most evil of all songs, am i evil, and i am left with a real dumb looking guitar in a really heavy song'

[ThrashMaster27]

not meaning to come in late, but the question of who had the best guitars caught my eye, and IMO i can honestly say i cant go past the wavecaster from the load tour. i also loves kirks quote 'i play this in the most evil of all songs, am i evil, and i am left with a real dumb looking guitar in a really heavy song'

You spelt your user name wrong you know...it's Kirk Hammett.

[hammet_ownz]

shhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii t

sorry about that

[hammet_ownz]

sweeeeet i had the 11 000th post! unreal stuff

[munky_magik]

no need for the double post.

[shadow_stalker]

i know this may have been asked a thousand imes before but does anyone know if are they playing download this year?

[EMILY]

[QUOTE=Fernandes Power]I dont think they have done that ever...

they did...and a song with a lot of other artists called "britney,you suck"
but im not sure...
oh and a song called "kill the wabbit (Elmer Fudd)"...for tv or something...well i dont know...i can add it to a massege but i dont know how to zip it...or something...

[^Dream~Theater^]

[QUOTE=Fernandes Power]I dont think they have done that ever...

they did...and a song with a lot of other artists called "britney,you suck"
but im not sure...
oh and a song called "kill the wabbit (Elmer Fudd)"...for tv or something...well i dont know...i can add it to a massege but i dont know how to zip it...or something...
Learn how to spell and properly form proper sentences.

[EMILY]

well im sorry but im from isreal and i can hardly unerstand myself!!!!
i dont know english! kill me!!!
:(

[^Dream~Theater^]

well im sorry but im from isreal and i can hardly unerstand myself!!!!
i dont know english! kill me!!!
:(
English has nothing to do with it. Learn how to make proper sentences. There's no need for a million little dots inbetween every word you type. Take Care :)