Metallica Inc.

[Accentopus]

Rds???

[Armor O'Malley]

Rds???

Royal Dublin Society...quality is pretty guff, I've got this years show on CD anyway.

[Accentopus]

of course they are mostly bootlegs :upset:

[Someone_unknown]

yea, i know what you mean ridethespiral

im downloading your suggested songs, i will let you know what i think of them

EDIT: we got to page two:cool:

Hey! What's this...it's great that you like Metallica (any sane person does) but a true fan would actually buy the albums....right? :confused:

[Accentopus]

Yeah its nice to have the real album anyway. Makes me feel better than if i just burnt cds all day

[Paranoidd]

i dont know how you cant like S&M
after metal and rock classical music is the best.

Well it's pretty easy...

I listened to it and thought the symphony had no connection to the music and sounded gay. Therefore I didn't like it.

[IronPriest666]

Best Metallica Songs:

For Whom the bell tolls

Fade to Black

And Justice For All

Battery

To Live is to Die

No Remorse



Has anyone Read That SO WHAT book yet

[Armor O'Malley]

The Iron Priest...hahah, sounds like a wrestler. :lol:

[Someone_unknown]

Why is it noone seems to like any Load or Reload songs??? Even though it may not be their best albums, it is bloody good music anyway....

[Paranoidd]

I thought they sucked, thats all.

[Someone_unknown]

Whoa? There's atleast one song that u like?!?

[Paranoidd]

Not really.

[Someone_unknown]

Too bad...think Untill it Slepps is good...king nothing and aint my bitch aint that bad either....besides the intro on Wasting my Hate ig kinda great...

[Paranoidd]

I'm not a big fan of Metallica without Cliff.

When Cliff died, it was like cutting their balls off.

[Someone_unknown]

Oh...and I forgot The Memory Remains and Fuel

[Someone_unknown]

I'm not a big fan of Metallica without Cliff.

When Cliff died, it was like cutting their balls off.

Got a point...but eh....they're great even whithout the balls...

[Armor O'Malley]

I like Load and Reload...favourite songs include Fixxer, Fuel, Unforgiven 2, Wasting My Hate and Carpe Diem Baby.

[Someone_unknown]

Indeed

[Paranoidd]

Got a point...but eh....they're great even whithout the balls...

*shrug* It's opinion.

I just don't like much post-Cliff work.

[jaymz_is_god]

I liked pretty much all of Load/Reload. My favourite songs would be The Unforgiven II, Bleeding Me, Until It Sleeps and Bad Seed.

[Triangle]

Reload > Load

Load was crap imo. Reload wasnt paticulary good but better than load.

[Grave_Heart]

Well it's pretty easy...

I listened to it and thought the symphony had no connection to the music and sounded gay. Therefore I didn't like it.

I hate classical music, but I just listened to the whole S+M album with headphones on.... Metallica owe me a new pair of pants... :lol:

[guitarfrog]

i think metal;lica should have an unplugged album
id like to hear an all-accoustic versiaon of all of their old songs

[SB_Haggard]

before that they should get a greatest hits double cd

[Zmev]

no, no greatest hit metallica records

People should have to buy the old ones for that ;)

[Everything_and_Nothing_3:15]

^hahahahaha I'll just get all of them free. :lol:

[Bulldogabel]

Sorry to get off topic of the load and reload situation, but I want to learn a bad as.s METALLICA song. I tried Fade to black and One, but it isnt given me the thrash feeling that I really want.
Any good suggestions?
If possible, can you give me a link or web address?

[NoLeafClover54]

u tried master of puppets yet? if not go for hit the lights, seek and destroy,for whom the bell tolls or w/e u can find

[Hardest_Rocker]

i think metal;lica should have an unplugged album
id like to hear an all-accoustic versiaon of all of their old songs


So true. Send an email to them.

[Bartender]

Okay, admittedly I don't read this thread all that religiously, so I don't know if this has already been posted..I went back a dozen pages and couldn't find anything on it, so here it is. It's a review of Master of Puppets by Ultra Boris over on metal-archives.com; manuscriptreplica turned me on to it, and I think it'd be good to post here, see what kind of discussion we can get (from the intelligent of you, at least) from it.

It'd be nice if you could read it all the way through before commenting, because he isn't just mindlessly bashing - I don't want you all to just see the rating and start railing against it.

[Bartender]

The album that killed heavy metal - 0%
Written by UltraBoris on March 21st, 2004


It takes some **** GOOD reasoning to give this album such a low rating. The zero implies the absolute nadir of musicality, a level that can only be dreamt of by mere mortals as Fred Durst and your blender. What in Satan's name could this album have done to deserve such a low rating?? It pretty much singlehandedly ENDED heavy metal, that's what. Now, on a strictly musical level, I would give this album a 62 or so. It's not bad. It really isn't. It's certainly not as bad as Saint Anger, proud owner of a former record-low "3%" rating. It's not even as bad as the album that would follow it, And Justice for All, and when all is said and done, it pretty much sums up the averageness of the thrash movement perfectly.

First off, it is where **** really starts to fall apart for Metallica as a band. At this point, you can see the impending death - not just bodily, but creative as well. They are out of Mustaine riffs, and Hetfield isn't exactly the smartest, cleverest cookie in the box, and he's forced to scramble and improvise, so out comes one bashing thrasher, a few more assorted riffs here and there, and then all kinds of half-assed and half-baked ideas that pretty much do not belong in Heavy Metal, the land of the free, the home of the brave... unfortunately, the world caught on to THIS album, this expression of vapidity, and decided that THIS was the way to go.

This album is the Nirvana "Smells like Teen Spirit" of heavy metal. It brought heavy metal to its knees, and castrated it mightily. It is, then, by definition, the most damaging, counterproductive, and overrated LP ever to be released. Even standing it up on its own, and not letting it poison the minds of those that came after it, I wouldn't even put it in the top 10 most influential thrash releases of 1986... it's easily killed by the unholy trinity of Darkness Descends, Reign in Blood, and Pleasure to Kill, which pushed the envelope of metal in three different, related directions. It's not anywhere nearly as enjoyable as expatriate Mustaine's Peace Sells, which was technically brilliant and a whole barrel of fun too, or as dark as Possessed's sophomore effort, or Sepultura and Sodom's full-length debuts. It's not nearly as punk-as-fun as Nuclear Assault's first. Then I could throw in fifteen, if not fifty, other backwash thrash LPs that did nothing for the genre as far as influence goes, but are still a whole ****load more enjoyable than this one.

So... the songs. There is some ownage here. Battery, for example, is ****ing heavy, and works brilliantly well, as a destroyer of worlds. The title track is a bit more calculated, with its main riff gronked from one of the Metal Church demos (also "Over My Dead Body"), and but it dies for a bit in that little Hetfield noodle section in the middle. Say what you will, that part is dumb, and a harbringer of what is to come. Not just because it is dumb, but because it is hailed as visionary - not just on the album, but with this band, and with metal in general. This album didn't do ANYTHING make metal a better, more viable genre... hell, by 1986, everything that was good about metal was pretty much established, it was just a matter of time before all the stupid ideas reared their ugly ****ing heads and turned the scene into self-parody. From the inane mindless riff-ennui of Jon Schaffer and Iced Earth, to the stupid dynamic mismanagement of a million bands, ranging from misplaced melodicism of the Gothenburg scene to the awful monotony of Opeth... all of these can be traced back to the vast commercial success of this album. Being "less than thrash" was viewed as a Good Thing. Less than over-the-top, less than expanding the genre, less than creative, less than heavy ****ing metal. And of course, as is the human tendency to accept mediocrity, because excellence requires actual EFFORT... people jumped right on this very ****ing album. They saw that they did not have to put out an all-out Bonded by Blood thrash****ing mind****, or even the complex harmonic beauty of stuff like Peace Sells, with its shredding solos and powerful interludes. If they just put in a obligatory Slow Solo Section, a la Suck Hetfield, they would be accepted as correct by their metal brethren. Rah, rah, put up the horns, thank you for being bland. A thousand Nevermores were spawned by THIS album.

Third song... this probably is the parodic equivalent of Black Sabbath here. Because Black Sabbath were midpaced, creative, and heavy. This is midpaced, boring, and plodding. There is nothing to this song, and of course, it would be viewed as a ****ing staple of the "groove-thrash" movement. Robbb Flynnn, he whose contributions to excess are merely putting extra letters on the end of his first name, probably ejaculated twice as hard when he heard this song - and realised he could play ****ty and get away with it - than in ANY other time of his life, and that includes his entire career in Vio-lence. This very well may be the song that spawned Machine Head, and of course when Hetfield, through the wall-of-saliva incident, corrupted Diamond Darrell into being a groove monkey, spawned modern Pantera too.

Next up, a cheesy ballad, Sanitarium, which again contains soft sections for the sake of having soft sections. Of course, proper use of dynamics had been completely, TOTALLY invented by about 1976... if Sabotage didn't have it, then Sad Wings certainly did, and anyone claiming to add something new to the idea was pretty much full of hot air. Maybe Rainbow's "Stargazer" can lay a small claim to things, a small claim to have added SOMETHING. And Sanitarum adds nothing. That said, it does not even play the standard cards correctly - there are tons of songs that start off soft and then build up to a frenzied crescendo, and most of them are far more effective than this. See Helstar's "Winds of War" for a perfect example, or even the previous LP's "Fade to Black" for one that works decently well. But of course, there is "Megalomania". And then there is this crap. And that's what this is - unmitigated crap, masquerading as thrash, but being plodding, boring, modern bull****. This song has absolutely no balls whatsoever. And heavy metal is about BALLS. It's about riffs, it's about smashing a spike through the brains of the listener, making him/her/it perk up and die hard. It's about the slow, twisting zombie passages of Triumph of Death. It's about the flash and the colour and the violence of Chainsaw Charlie. It's about the constant multidirectional bludgeon of From the Past Comes the Storms. It's CERTAINLY NOT about Hetfield moaning "leave me be..." like a thousand other assrape victims to come. But, unfortunately, this is what the world caught onto. This is the illusion that destroyed reality, the feeble cry of patheticness in the night, that virally castrated a powerful genre. Because as Possessed and D.F.A. and up-and-coming bands like Death and Nocturnus were constantly playing loud, proud, and heavy and expanding the genre... and as a thousand other bands like Iron Maiden and Helloween were consistently waving the banner of Judas ****ing Priest... as all of those bands demonstrated vibrancy and life, here was THIS virus, this awful plague of self-mocking stupidity, that slowly corrupted the whole thing from within. And people wonder what happened to metal? People wonder why years like 1993 came along, and why horrendous, backwards bands like Lamb of God and Damage Plan are now on the forefront of the scene? People WONDER - no, it was inevitable, that the mediocrity would rise and destroy everything in its path. All it took was for the metal scene to be inundated with this backwash crap, this horrendous assault that seems so soothing, so relaxing... so "it's OKAY if you suck, junior", so Kurt Cobain before Kurt Cobain himself. Look, this band sucks too, and look at the instant popularity they have. Gresham's Law is a harsh mistress.

[Bartender]

So yes, maybe I was mistaken. Maybe this is the album that should be lauded as the avant-garde of the metal scene of 1986. Forget Dark Angel's 286 beats per minute of ultimate heaviness, throw away Reign in Blood's chaotic assault on the senses, and certainly avoid thinking about Pleasure to Kill's death-metal tendencies. Oh no no, none of THOSE albums did jack **** for the metal genre, because the metal genre is OF COURSE about technological backwardsism, insipidity, and playing turned to "4", because only losers like Motorhead play, eat, drink, ****, sleep, etc... on "11". Save the aggression for the Jager sessions, right Hetfield? The actual music needs to be a complete ****ing lullaby. Horror of horrors - though mathematically inevitable of course - the metal genre ate this bull**** up. Again, look at the top bands in pop metal today... the uninspired Iced Earth, who have not had a good idea since 1994, of course proudly declare that early Metallica is their foremost influence. The godawful Machine Head, as mentioned before - groove-monkeys to the core. The lame Testament, who were, other than their lead guitarist, a few screw turns loose in the creativity department - their The New Order (a "thrash classic", my ***) is pretty much a fourth-rate Master of Puppets ripoff, and their latest stuff takes ideas that were more heavily present on this LP, and less so on others.

Fifth up is Disposable Heroes, eight minutes of thrash, showing that, if pressed, the band could still deliver the goods. This, along with Battery, is the highlight of the album. It's competent thrash a la 1984 or 1985, except maybe a bit overlong. That said, if you think this has crushing riffage, you have not heard Exodus's Piranha. Again, if the album were all like this, then it would be an average thrasher, not unlike a thousand others that came out in this year. See Death Angel's "The Ultraviolence" for a quick example. Following Disposable Heroes is the clearly Mustaine-written - at least, in the interesting parts, anyway - Leper Messiah. That middle break is so completely Killing/Peace Sells that the fact that Hetfield could even barely begin to claim that he and Ulrich wrote the song is promptly ludicrous, and more so a flat out ****ing lie. I can see Hetfield writing the plodding, Should Not Be-esque beginning and end of the song, but that middle section has the Mark of Dave. I have no idea how this band managed to assign songwriting credits, but the idea of Ulrich coming up with songs is laughable. It is this little ****ing troll that can personally be shown to be the anti-metal figure. No, not just because of Napster. Not because of the black album, and Bob Rock, and a thousand other crimes against humanity in the 1990s. He had a hand on THIS album too. Hetfield, by himself, would probably been happy penning silly odes to bludgeonry, a thousand Batteries, each with a slightly lower voltage than the last, and the band would have died its appropriate death by mediocrity. Kublai Khan, anyone? No one's heard of Kublai Khan, and no one should have ever heard of Metallica after 1984 or so. They just got incredibly lucky that Ulrich got kicked out of Metal Church in 1980, and had nothing to do with the east coast scene, where Overkill was busy declaring that they just didn't give a ****. They just wanted to play live, and repeatedly they compromised their good business sense to continue doing so. Quite a sad thing, that Overkill shot themselves in the face with their selling of their demo to Azra Records for booze money, but when all is said and done, THAT attitude is BY FAR more The Metal Way than anything Metallica could have done. Overkill didn't give a ****, and just played cranked to 11, finishing their set with Tyrant, and recognising Joey Ramone and Lemmy Kilmister as the twin gods of excess and everything that is right and "**** yeah!" about the world. Then, there was Megadeth, with Mustaine, who instantly, at the very moment the band was founded, or maybe even before then... when Mustaine was sent back to San Francisco on that four-day bus trip, THAT is when Megadeth became a better band than Metallica would ever be, because Mustaine was right pissed off, and he would outdo, outgun, and outriff the band that had jilted him, because that is the metal way, to be over-the-top and full of dashing creative energy.

Metallica had none of this. Maybe, at the beginning, they had whatever they could steal from their Venom and Diamond Head LPs. Unfortunately, Hetfield probably had his heart in the right place, but he was a complete ****ing *****. He felt the need to declare between songs in 1985 that he would not be saying the words "ooh baby" and wearing lipstick. Paul Baloff took the battle to the other side, issuing an ultimatum to anyone in the crowd wearing a RATT shirt. Bobby Blitz just didn't even mention it, letting the songs do the talking. He was "leaving the poseurs behind". Hetfield just stood on the stage and sulked, because Ulrich was busy cutting his heart out. Ulrich, who had not a whit of songwriting sense to him... he was kicked out of Metal Church in '80 because his drumming was nonexistent at best. He of course had the spark of marketing, where he landed himself a deal on a compilation without a band, or anything other than flyers of Saxon at the Whiskey. And he knew, that the way to make it to the top was not the way of Possessed, because Possessed were too heavy and too rough to be anything but a cult band. He knew that the way to the top was to scheme and to cover one's self in a heavy dose of bull****. Then, he got lucky, because he had a pal named Hetfield, that really wanted to kill all the record label executives, and combine Hetfield's true extravagance with Ulrich's poseurism, and what you got was a band that appeared to be rebellious. Throw in Cliff Burton's hippie tendencies, and Kirk Hammett's irrelevance, and the image was complete. And at the beginning, the band did have the metal madness, when they wrote silly odes to Weapon like Hit the Lights - empty of social relevance, but completely heavy ****ING metal. Thanks, Hetfield and Tanner. It's not hard to be a metal kid, and at the beginning, Hetfield was a metal kid. Then Ulrich slowly but surely turned him into a puppet. The album title can be viewed as a proud declaration of Ulrich's conquest of Hetfield, of Metallica, and eventually of the entire scene. The little troll infused mediocrity, and slowly burned the world from the inside out. Hetfield became a raging alcoholic, hanging on to whatever riffs he could remember stealing from Mustaine. Burton's hippie-rock, which was fine for what it is, but had no place in metal whatsoever, soon became the overriding creative force in the band, and of course had to be recognised, because Ulrich knew that if he approved another Hell Awaits, the scene would bury him fast. And of course, it would be ludicrous to imply that he was one-ten-thousandth the drummer the Lombardo was.

So along came Master of Puppets. Random hippie crap, combined with a few random recycled Mustaine moments, all held together by the glue of Hetfield's average riff constructions - perfectly suitable for an average, mediocre, fifth-rate garage thrash ensemble. And Ulrich's megalomania, that realised that this steaming pile of directionless garbage was THE universal solution to bringing him fame. Not that it was any good - precisely because it WASN'T. Because it was mediocre, any idiot with an axe could be like Hetfield now, and if Ride the Lightning sold a whole ****load of copies, then Master of Puppets, on inertia alone, would sell a whole ****load more, and thus the seed was set. And that, my friends, is why Lars Ulrich is the worst thing ever to happen to heavy ****ing metal.

[Bartender]

After the obligatory Mustaine composition comes the long section of hippie crap, that is not only the worst song on the album, but THE final stake through the heart of heavy metal. I hear Orion, and I hear Opeth. I hear a heap of **** that is labelled "progressive" and "visionary", but is really a space-filler. A throwback to the 1960s and the 1970s - stuff that Black Sabbath quickly moved away from, and used only in small amounts. Progressive rock was dangerous stuff, to be used in form only, not in actual substance. Careful with it, and get brilliant stuff like The Writ. Too much results in Fluff. And Iommi was smart to recognise this, but Cliff Burton was not. And he continued to write songs full of this dreck. Ask Hetfield to throw on a few random metal riffs, and what you get is something claimed as "amazing" by all the losers that would also claim In Flames as a masterwork of a band. Of course, this anthem to loserhood has no heart whatsoever, no spirit, no emotional content. Nothing. Thunderhead, this is not. Stargazer? **** no. Certainly not anything out of the Diamond Head catalogue. Not Am I Evil, To the Devil His Due, or even Ishmael. Diamond Head got it right, and despite the endless stream of pointers from Lars to their general direction, Metallica did not. But of course, it is easier to derive inspiration from the half-baked. Easy to look at what did not get it right, and claim that to be the best thing ever, simply so that when you make something similar, you can pat yourself on the back and be proud. Thus, Dark Tranquillity, be proud. You sound like complete ****, and have the intensity of zero point zero Iommis, and you are hailed as an excellent modern band. Because you took the Orion approach to things. So, Dark Tranquillity, make sure to send Lars a Christmas card once a year, because you owe your entire career to him. So many bands nowadays do. So many bands would never have gotten off the ground, if "getting off the ground" were not so kindly redefined as "flopping right over and accomplishing nothing" a la Orion.

Then, the last song. Damage Incorporated is the last of Hetfield's contributions to the album... fast and completely insipid. This is not, in any way, shape, or form, to be mistaken for The Burning of Sodom. This is James Hetfield's dying cry as Lars Ulrich finishes him off. In fact, if you look carefully, you can see the exact frame where his heart rips in two. Desperation breeds stupidity, and here is the final desperate act of a man driven to Jagermeister, not because of the grueling tribulations of the road, or of having one's equipment stolen, or because he had to send an ex-guitarist back to the west coast in a box on wheels. It's the final death of a man that thinks he is on top of the world, being the frontman of the most famous heavy metal band in existence... but slowly, subconsciously, realising he is not at all in control, and knowing that he's going to have to put on a smiling bull**** face for however many years, because he certainly can't QUIT the band, but the only way to stay in is to submit to Lars Ulrich, despite all of their public assurances that they are partners in crime. Hetfield is weak, and resorts to over-the-top boasting. Most thrash bands would, of course, do something like this, but somehow none of the Overkill catalogue comes off nearly this pathetic, this fake, this... incorporated. Overkill are rotten to the core in the best sense of the word... Metallica in the worst, most corporate. And at the head of this machine is the midget himself, Lars Ulrich. He holds the world in his hands... his band, his "music", his scene.

Best not to listen, kids. If you have any decency, any individuality, any self-respect. THIS is why I gave the album a zero, because it is the album that will slowly draw you in and destroy you too. Let this be your warning.

"Master of puppets, I'm pulling your strings..."

[Bartender]

Okay that was longer than I thought :-/

Still, it's an interesting read.

[Kingofdudes]

I will so read that tomorrow during BASIC class, I need to sleep.

[Hitroshimite]

Anyone who gives Master of Puppet’s a 0 and yet praises Reign in Blood deserves to be hung from crane by meat hook logged deeply in their rectum.

Hell, anyone who yet praises Reign in Blood period deserves to be hung from crane by meat hook logged deeply in their rectum.

And no, I didn’t bother to read the review.

[Riffmeister9]

I think the guy made a good point in the review.

[CreepingBlack]

I think the guy made a good point in the review.

no, he didn't. MOP is great, i don't see how anybody can give it a zero. That was the WORST arguement ive EVER heard. He discribed damage inc. as something along the lines of "Lars kills James", or something like that. That guy is really unintelligent. He ripped on the song MOP, like it was a horrible song. Even when i didn't like old Metallica, i still liked that one song.

I understand if someone doesn't like MOP, but ****, if youre into metal(and it seems like that guy was), its one of the best albums the genre has to offer.

god, i hate that guy.

[CreepingBlack]

Anyone who gives Master of Puppet’s a 0 and yet praises Reign in Blood deserves to be hung from crane by meat hook logged deeply in their rectum.

Hell, anyone who yet praises Reign in Blood period deserves to be hung from crane by meat hook logged deeply in their rectum.

And no, I didn’t bother to read the review.

hold up. RIB is great for the genre. I know you don't like it, but it is regarded by many metalheads as the highest point of metal greatness.

but you should read the article and see how much of a duchebag that guy who wrote it is. Seriously, ive never heard anything so stupid, and ive heard many stupid things.

[Chu]

That was the worst album review I have read.
Even reading an album review of something by Linkin Park would be better.

That 'review', if that's what you'd call it, has nothing to do with the album.
It is a morons way of ripping at the band.
Sure, the album isn't as good as it's made out to be, but the few songs he did mention on the album are mostly master pieces.

Although, I thank you for giving me that review to read.

[CreepingBlack]

That guy said that it started falling apart cause they were out of mustaine riffs. Battery, the slow part in MOP, and Orion, are some of the most memorable Metallica riffs. ****, Hetfield has BETTER known riffs than Mustaine. Mustaine could have never pulled of the intro of Battery.

WTF, the thing i don't understand is, why he didn't bash RIDE, but bashes so hard on MOP, when it is considered so highly on every metalheads charts.

Look, i love RIB, but if youre gonna praise that, you should hold MOP up in at least the same area as far as respect goes.

I dunno, im dumbfounded, i could go on forever. I don't understand, it doesn't compute. Its like saying,"Rubber Sould, The White Album, and Revolver were all great albums. But Abbey Road was the WORST album EVER!!!!!!!!!."

[BlinDecsent]

Talk about some one with nothing better to do. Geeze, don't listen to that guy if you havn't heard Master of Puppets yet; its amazing.

He was probably trying to show off how much of the "lesser known metal" he was into by ripping on the first big name metal band he could find while dissing several other good bands along the way. NO ONE has the right to say Opeth is monotonous, he obviously hasn't heard them. Or maybe only song, but still i think they are one of the best bands out there today. And theres nothing with in flames and dark tranquillity.

[CreepingBlack]

Talk about some one with nothing better to do. Geeze, don't listen to that guy if you havn't heard Master of Puppets yet; its amazing.

He was probably trying to show off how much of the "lesser known metal" he was into by ripping on the first big name metal band he could find while dissing several other good bands along the way. NO ONE has the right to say Opeth is monotonous, he obviously hasn't heard them. Or maybe only song, but still i think they are one of the best bands out there today. And theres nothing with in flames and dark tranquillity.

youre right on. The more I read that article, the more i realize that that was probably a 5 or 6 year old child writing that. I hate that man(or child) with a huge passion.

[Otherside]

That review was obviously written by some guy who was tired of Metallica being praised more than HIS favorite bands. It was pretty stupid, as his anger was evident in everything he said, and it was in no way a level headed review, but more of a bashing on a very awesome album that slayers reign in blood never came close to matching on a techincal level.

[metallica fan]

i think metal;lica should have an unplugged album
id like to hear an all-accoustic versiaon of all of their old songs nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo :wave:

[Licka-of-Metal]

This dude just goes on about MOP being a thrash album, but IMO Metallica are much more then thrash. This guy is a fool...a **** fool.

[Diatonic Dissonance™]

That review was obviously written by some guy who was tired of Metallica being praised more than HIS favorite bands. It was pretty stupid, as his anger was evident in everything he said, and it was in no way a level headed review, but more of a bashing on a very awesome album that slayers reign in blood never came close to matching on a techincal level.
I couldn't have said it better myself. That's exactly what I was thinking, but alot more articulate. You sir, should be proud.

:thumb:

MOP > RIB.

[Paranoidd]

No way.

RIB > MOP hands down.

[Five Magics]

Hetfield has BETTER known riffs than Mustaine. Mustaine could have never pulled of the intro of Battery.


Hetfield has BETTER known riffs than Mustaine......oooooook.....obviously you havent heard Megadeth enough to know that your statement is totally false. Mustaine could have never have pulled off the intro of Battery? What?, have you heard any Megadeth? Please let's not turn this into the Megadeth/Metallica debate, but to say Hetfield has better riffs than Mustaine is just totally wrong.

[Accentopus]

Why does everyone have to compare the two. Just listen to them both and like them for what they do. They are both as good as each other

[Paranoidd]

It isn't the comparison thats the problem, its the fans.

Because Megadeth fans hate the fact the Hetfield takes credit for stuff the Mustaine has done, and Metallica fans refuse to believe that Metallica anything less then perfect.

It causes problems.

[Accentopus]

I agree that Hetfield stole Ktulu but what would you do

[Paranoidd]

If I was Hetfield? Compose my own stuff.
If I was Mustaine? Break his fingers.

[Accentopus]

Yeah but it is an awesome song, if i wrote it and left it, would you steal it from me??

[Paranoidd]

Call it decency, call it professionalism, call it morality, but no.

I wouldn't steal a song from an ex-bandmate.

[CreepingBlack]

Hetfield has BETTER known riffs than Mustaine......oooooook.....obviously you havent heard Megadeth enough to know that your statement is totally false. Mustaine could have never have pulled off the intro of Battery? What?, have you heard any Megadeth? Please let's not turn this into the Megadeth/Metallica debate, but to say Hetfield has better riffs than Mustaine is just totally wrong.

theres one problem. I said better "known" riffs. As in more people have heard his stuff and like it. Ive heard Most of Megadeth's good material, and yes, its good. Its not as musically catchy and tasteful as Hetfields though.

[Accentopus]

Call it decency, call it professionalism, call it morality, but no.

I wouldn't steal a song from an ex-bandmate.

Well your a very nice man :thumb:

[Squirrel]

you're*

[Bartender]

This dude just goes on about MOP being a thrash album, but IMO Metallica are much more then thrash. This guy is a fool...a **** fool.


That review was obviously written by some guy who was tired of Metallica being praised more than HIS favorite bands. It was pretty stupid, as his anger was evident in everything he said, and it was in no way a level headed review, but more of a bashing on a very awesome album that slayers reign in blood never came close to matching on a techincal level.

Did any of you actually read the review?

Those bits I've highlighted in bold is exactly his point - that MOP was jumped on as the be-all end-all of metal, when in fact it was moving away from metal.

He gave it a zero because of the impact this had; encouraging so many other metal bands after it to move further and further away from metal, while still being acclaimed as metal.

To the guy who pointed out Battery - that's one of the songs he says good things about.

To the guy who said "of the few songs he mentioned" - it's a track by track review.

At the start of the review he even stated that the 0% isn't indicative of the music itself.

[Accentopus]

you're*

what????

[Bartender]

You're = you are
your = the possessive.

He was correcting your grammar is all.

[CreepingBlack]

Did any of you actually read the review?

Those bits I've highlighted in bold is exactly his point - that MOP was jumped on as the be-all end-all of metal, when in fact it was moving away from metal.

He gave it a zero because of the impact this had; encouraging so many other metal bands after it to move further and further away from metal, while still being acclaimed as metal.

To the guy who pointed out Battery - that's one of the songs he says good things about.

To the guy who said "of the few songs he mentioned" - it's a track by track review.

At the start of the review he even stated that the 0% isn't indicative of the music itself.

How the HELL is that cd moving away from metal though? Its still heavy. The black album encouraged people to move away from metal, if anything. That album brought whordes of fans into the genre, and those fans also picked up Slayer and Sepultura albums in the process.(and many others).
Id still say that guy blows for writing that ****ty article.

[Bartender]

So you're disagreeing with the Licka-of-Metal guy?

[Metal G]

hey all, ive official listenedto what seems to be a new metallica song (my friend has it) its called 'Chains of pain' and it sounds like a new metallica (heavier and with solos)

email : graffix82@hotmail.com if you wanna know more

[Squirrel]

It's fake.

You're also about a year late on that one.


Good post.

[Accentopus]

Anyone have any information on when the new material will be released?

[Squirrel]

They're starting recording in January 2005 ish.

[Accentopus]

Fantastic. So release late 2005 or early 2006

[Paranoidd]

Watch for some drama prior to the release of the album...just to generate publicity. Classic tactic, I don't think they can resist. James going back to rehab or something.

[Squirrel]

Maybe even mid 2005.

[Accentopus]

Maybe they will have a fight with Megadeth

[Five Magics]

theres one problem. I said better "known" riffs. As in more people have heard his stuff and like it. Ive heard Most of Megadeth's good material, and yes, its good. Its not as musically catchy and tasteful as Hetfields though.

Who cares about better "known" riffs? Metallica was and is more mainstream than Megadeth, there's no doubt about that. Therefore, of course more people would have heard his stuff and find it to be more "musically catchy" and "tasteful" or else they wouldn't have been as mainstream. Since when does better "known" riffs mean anything at all? I dont want a debate on these 2 bands, because I love them both, but are better "known" riffs better than "unknown" riffs?

[Metal G]

They're starting recording in January 2005 ish.

no dude im serious, its defenatly metallica, if u want it add me to ur msn or sumthin

[YJM]

Mustaine doesn't deserve as much mainstream hype as Metallica, because of how much of an idiot he was, whilst in Metallica, in the early years. Don't get me wrong I know he deserves alot of respect due to his song writing on most of the first album, but he had a big ego which has made me lose respect for the guy.

[Squirrel]

no dude im serious, its defenatly metallica, if u want it add me to ur msn or sumthin

I've heard it - you're a fool.

It's fake.

[Paranoidd]

Mustaine doesn't deserve as much mainstream hype as Metallica, because of how much of an idiot he was, whilst in Metallica, in the early years. Don't get me wrong I know he deserves alot of respect due to his song writing on most of the first album, but he had a big ego which has made me lose respect for the guy.

As compared to the subtle ego of Lars?

[DisposableHeroes]

but he had a big ego which has made me lose respect for the guy.

Lars freely admits to having a big ego, or at the era of time we're talking about he did, in fact all the band did in the early days

[YJM]

Mustaine so much as to be kicked out of the band after taking the competition too far between the 2 of them.

[CreepingBlack]

Who cares about better "known" riffs? Metallica was and is more mainstream than Megadeth, there's no doubt about that. Therefore, of course more people would have heard his stuff and find it to be more "musically catchy" and "tasteful" or else they wouldn't have been as mainstream. Since when does better "known" riffs mean anything at all? I dont want a debate on these 2 bands, because I love them both, but are better "known" riffs better than "unknown" riffs?


look, we both have good points, end of discussion.

[BlinDecsent]

It should be really interesting to see who wins between them in the ultimate metal poll going on right now; will it be Metallica? Will it be Megadeth? All I can say is that they had better face off in a round together before one gets knocked out.

[Bartender]

Well from the results so far it doesn't look like either'll be going out for a while.

[YJM]

Metallica own Megadeth end of..

[Five Magics]

Metallica own Megadeth end of..

:lol:

[YJM]

???? it's true. What say you?

[Blanka Flip]

Talk about some one with nothing better to do. Geeze, don't listen to that guy if you havn't heard Master of Puppets yet; its amazing.

He was probably trying to show off how much of the "lesser known metal" he was into by ripping on the first big name metal band he could find while dissing several other good bands along the way. NO ONE has the right to say Opeth is monotonous, he obviously hasn't heard them. Or maybe only song, but still i think they are one of the best bands out there today. And theres nothing with in flames and dark tranquillity.


Right on man... This guy really started to make me clinch my fists as i read through the article. I didnt think this guy could get much stupider for rating it with a zero...But then bashed on the album heavily, saying they cant write without stealing mustaines riffs... When musically, MOP was brilliant... Then ragging on OPETH... In which he should have his ball sack ingulfed in flames... I really could not belive reading on in this thing... I would love to hit this guy squre in his nose.

[Someone_unknown]

I'm not a wiz on the subject, but why bother arguin' about it...those of you who think higher of megadeath than metallica, won't change oppinions...right? And the majority (or so i believe) who thinks Metallica is best...won't change their oppinions either....

[SB_Haggard]

People need to be fully educated on all the facts before they come in here and start screaming out thier opinion and how its superior.

[Trent_Steel]

first thing i have to say LOST PROPHETS ARE ****!!! they are a bunch of sad canadians who tagged along with the metallica "for the free beer and nachos". i was proud to be booing them off the stage along with 60,000 other people like they were doing to linkin park last year.
"WE HAVE PLAYED IN MANY PLACES BUT NO PLACE ROCKS LIKE....(reads sign) DUBLIN!!" james hetfield

anyway master of puppets is the best album to get.

[Paranoidd]

first thing i have to say LOST PROPHETS ARE ****!!! they are a bunch of sad canadians who tagged along with the metallica "for the free beer and nachos". i was proud to be booing them off the stage along with 60,000 other people like they were doing to linkin park last year.
"WE HAVE PLAYED IN MANY PLACES BUT NO PLACE ROCKS LIKE....(reads sign) DUBLIN!!" james hetfield

anyway master of puppets is the best album to get.

Something against Canada?

[nafan]

no just somthing againsed lost prophets.

[jaymz_is_god]

lostprophets are welsh, not canadian, and that statement is very true, they are indeed ****. They were ****in terrible in Dublin, no wonder they got booed.

[Kingofdudes]

Metallica thread, not Lost Prophets thread.

[nafan]

is your avitar suposed to intimidate us?

[Kingofdudes]

yes/no/maybe/cookies

[Growleron]

i love metttttallllliccaaa,the first 4 albums are the best but we all kno that they are however there live show has been consitnlty good i saw twice in 2 years here in dublin and they owned twice!! they play for so long and cover all the periods they went thru anyways they r great.

[Otherside]

Did any of you actually read the review?

Those bits I've highlighted in bold is exactly his point - that MOP was jumped on as the be-all end-all of metal, when in fact it was moving away from metal.

He gave it a zero because of the impact this had; encouraging so many other metal bands after it to move further and further away from metal, while still being acclaimed as metal.

To the guy who pointed out Battery - that's one of the songs he says good things about.

To the guy who said "of the few songs he mentioned" - it's a track by track review.

At the start of the review he even stated that the 0% isn't indicative of the music itself.


From that mindset, everyone should hate nirvana and the grunge movement with a passion. What I'm trying to say is: There is no reason to resist change, and especially not in the fashion he did. He's not going to bring back the 80's metal era, nor is he going to sucessfully pursuade anyone to agree with him, as his review is too biased and more of a rant on the change in music than an actual review of the album. It is not a good idea to try and move along one of your ideas by bashing something a multitude of people love, which just happens to be the exact same audience he is preaching too.

[Bartender]

Alright then, never mind. None of you seem to see the point of view he is taking, so forget it.

Also, why did that guy suddenly start shouting about the lostprophets?

[Poofy 666]

dont eat wild mushrooms^^^^

[Kingofdudes]

I only read the first page of this due to the fact that I gotta eat. I can see where he is coming from when he says it doesnt do anything for thrash. I never did understand why MOP was considered a landmark thrash album when it really didnt have too much thrash in it.

But still something even worse for Metal than MOP was the black album, why not attack that?

I dunno, I need to read the rest of it.

[Poofy 666]

the black album wasnt bad but Metallica could have done better

[Otherside]

At first I just skimmed through the review, but in order to "get what he was saying" I actually read through the whole thing and realized how wrong I was. He wasn't angry and he definitly was level headed. He's simply a idiot. As you can tell by his excessive use of expletives and immature fake swear words (monkey****?), he's a troll. His points dont make any coherent sense, as he goes from reviewing the album to flaming Metallica to no end, while constantly praising every other band that was never as good as Metallica to the excessive peak of fanboyism. If you really want to back him up, please do and explain how this was in anyway a good review.

URL to his site if wanted:
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=547#147

[Heavy0metal0freak]

i think thats just stupid MOP was not a great album but hell it wasnt the worst that was retarted reign in blood suked even for its genre megadeth and metallica arent that great at all as for the metallica vs megadeth bull**** metallicas more succesful and u can bitch all u want but its not gunna help megadeth any dont get me wrong i think they're both okay but... yea

[Bartender]

At first I just skimmed through the review, but in order to "get what he was saying" I actually read through the whole thing and realized how wrong I was. He wasn't angry and he definitly was level headed. He's simply a idiot. As you can tell by his excessive use of expletives and immature fake swear words (monkey****?), he's a troll. His points dont make any coherent sense, as he goes from reviewing the album to flaming Metallica to no end, while constantly praising every other band that was never as good as Metallica to the excessive peak of fanboyism. If you really want to back him up, please do and explain how this was in anyway a good review.

URL to his site if wanted:
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=547#147

I didn't know you could link to specific pages on that site. How?

Anyway, I've not said I do want to back him up. I like the review because it got me interested in reading it, and I wanted to see the reactions of Metallica fans to it. Mainly to see if anyone saw what his point was.

[Kingofdudes]

I can see his point, but why not do the black album, its is the epitome of wimp metal in his terms.

[Bartender]

I guess because Master of Puppets came before it, and yet was already moving away from the thrash metal of Kill 'Em All and Ride the Lightning.

[Paranoidd]

reign in blood suked even for its genre megadeth and metallica arent that great at all as for the metallica vs megadeth bull**** metallicas more succesful and u can bitch all u want but its not gunna help megadeth any dont get me wrong i think they're both okay but... yea

a) Reign in Blood = best thrash album ever.
b) Being successful doesn't mean shyt. Britney Spears is successful too.
c) Stop breathing, please.

[CreepingBlack]

i think thats just stupid MOP was not a great album but hell it wasnt the worst that was retarted reign in blood suked even for its genre megadeth and metallica arent that great at all as for the metallica vs megadeth bull**** metallicas more succesful and u can bitch all u want but its not gunna help megadeth any dont get me wrong i think they're both okay but... yea

yeah, that is a terrible post. Saying the best thrash album ever sucked for its genre is exactly like saying the beatles are a bad rock band. And use correct sentence formation too. You can't come onto this website and say thoughtless, mindless crap like that and expect not to get flamed.

[CreepingBlack]

I guess because Master of Puppets came before it, and yet was already moving away from the thrash metal of Kill 'Em All and Ride the Lightning.

MOP was just as heavy as RIDE.

Rating of Heaviness

Track 1.
Fight Fire with fire =8.3
Battery =7.9

Track 2.
Ride the Lightning =7.0
Master of Puppets =7.3

Track 3.
FHTB Tolls =6.6
TTTS not be =7.1

Track 4.
Fade to Black =5.0
Sanitarium =5.0

Track 5.
Trapped under Ice =7.7
Disposable Heros =8.1

Track 6.
Escape =5.9
Lepper Messiah =6.1

Track 7.
Creeping Death =7.5
Orion =6.4

Track 8.
Call of Ktulu =6.3
Damage INC. =8.2


RIDE= 54.3
MOP= 56.1

They're agueable about the same in heaviness. So WTF?

[led_zep_luvr]

[QUOTE] MOP was just as heavy as RIDE.

Rating of Heaviness

Track 1.
Fight Fire with fire =8.3
Battery =7.9

Track 2.
Ride the Lightning =7.0
Master of Puppets =7.3

Track 3.
FHTB Tolls =6.6
TTTS not be =7.1

Track 4.
Fade to Black =5.0
Sanitarium =5.0

Track 5.
Trapped under Ice =7.7
Disposable Heros =8.1

Track 6.
Escape =5.9
Lepper Messiah =6.1

Track 7.
Creeping Death =7.5
Orion =6.4

Track 8.
Call of Ktulu =6.3
Damage INC. =8.2


RIDE= 54.3
MOP= 56.1

They're agueable about the same in heaviness. So WTF? [QUOTE]

very good comparison review

[BlinDecsent]

He didn't attack the Black Album because most Metallica fans will admitt that it has its flaws. But about 95% of the time no one; not even people who hate the band will say anything bad about MOP. I see his point but... did he really have to say it like that? It seems kind of pointless to say so much when so few will even care much less agree with you. He could have simply said: MoP= over rated, did not do as much for metal as the general population thinks it did. He could have been objective about it but OOOOOO no, when you talk about a band that negatively no one is going want to hear your opinion.

Maybe some valid points were brought up but because of his approach to the topic (excessive swearing, flaming of metallica and other bands, mentioning bands that most people havn't heard of or care about and last but not least making no sense what so ever throughout the majority of the review) make him sound immature and bitter. So all those potentially valid points go down the sewer right along with his B.S. reasonings for giving MoP a 0. Like come on a 0?

[Zmev]

MOP was just as heavy as RIDE.

Rating of Heaviness

Track 1.
Fight Fire with fire =8.3
Battery =7.9

Track 2.
Ride the Lightning =7.0
Master of Puppets =7.3

Track 3.
FHTB Tolls =6.6
TTTS not be =7.1

Track 4.
Fade to Black =5.0
Sanitarium =5.0

Track 5.
Trapped under Ice =7.7
Disposable Heros =8.1

Track 6.
Escape =5.9
Lepper Messiah =6.1

Track 7.
Creeping Death =7.5
Orion =6.4

Track 8.
Call of Ktulu =6.3
Damage INC. =8.2


RIDE= 54.3
MOP= 56.1

They're agueable about the same in heaviness. So WTF?

Yes lets make up facts from opinions... :rolleyes:

"omg dis song rawks dis hard!!11"
"no u r st00pid"

[Zmev]

a) Reign in Blood = best thrash album ever.


If the idea of thrash is to play fast but emotionless music then yes

[Paranoidd]

If the idea of thrash is to play fast but emotionless music then yes

That's the idea.

RIB has just as much, if not more "emotion" than MOP. Just because Cliff put some melody into the album, it doesn't mean more emotion.

[Zmev]

RIB has just as much, if not more "emotion" than MOP

Dude are you joking me?

Ive listened to both of the albums whole and from what i can say, MoP has much more emotion than RiB. I mean the slayer album sounded like nonstop loud fast guitar and the singer singing things i couldnt hear, not bery emotional. Now on MoP you had Sanitarium,very full of emotion in itself

[guitar, bass, sax]

More emotion in Disposable Heroes than ALL of RIB.

I WAS BORN FOR DYING!!!

The 15 seconds BEFORE that and the 15 seconds AFTER have more emotion than RIB.

[Paranoidd]

Dude are you joking me?

Ive listened to both of the albums whole and from what i can say, MoP has much more emotion than RiB. I mean the slayer album sounded like nonstop loud fast guitar and the singer singing things i couldnt hear, not bery emotional. Now on MoP you had Sanitarium,very full of emotion in itself

Non-stop loud fast guitar....in other words, it was thrash metal.

The singer was singing things you couldn't hear...the CD comes with a booklet with all the lyrics inside.

IMHO, Sanitarium is the single worst track on MOP. Everybody talks shyt on the thing that should not be, well I'd rather hear that evil riff 50 times before I had to endure Sanitarium once.

The problem is, you all associate MELODY with emotion. Just because Metallica used alot of happy melodies has nothing to do with emotion. Tom Araya conveys more anger to me with vocals on any given track in RIB then Metallicas whole catalogue. Jeff or Kerry's riffs or solos are anger in sonic form. Anger is an emotion too. Most of Slayers emotion simply derives from anger, while Metallica is a little more broad and happier.

Something can be very emotional without being melodic. Tom's scream on Angel of Death pretty much sets the tone for the album, pure balls. (and yes I am aware of the irony that I said pure balls when his scream is rather high-pitch. kthxbye).

And please, let me save you the "but paranoid, Kerry sux LOL!1!!" posts right now. I don't care how many variable speed, string bending pentatonic solos hammet does, he still doesn't have shyt on Kerry, and especially not on Jeff in the composing/playing side. I'd rather listen to Kerry shred for 15 seconds than suffer through Hammet's often droning "emotional solos". When Kerry shreds, I feel the anger. 80% of Hammets stuff on this album makes me feel nothing. The only emotion from the music is James & Cliff. James' singing and James' riffs > Hammets solos any day of the week. And, lets face it, without Cliff this album wouldn't have existed.

There are only three good things about MOP

a) James' writing and singing (for the most part)
b) Cliff.
c) Cliff.

Actually, honorable mention to Lars, as this is one of the few albums, IMHO, that his playing is generally non-shytty. However, I won't even acknowledge anybody who suggests that Lars > Dave. Any argument you can present will be absolutely invalid and wrong, so lets just save the trouble.

I'm not trying to turn this into a Metallica vs Slayer post (even though I don't really have a choice at this point) because they aren't even that comparable, although they started off similar (along with Sepultura) look at the difference in the 3 bands now. Slayer just stayed hardline, straight thrash and Metallica went softer, happier, more marketable.

MOP is a great album. My favorite Metallica album, actually. I love most parts of it. It's one of the few Metallica albums I will defend in an argument, but not this one. I'd rather hear RIB any day.

[\m/Pete\m/]

Because Megadeth fans hate the fact the Hetfield takes credit for stuff the Mustaine has done, and Metallica fans refuse to believe that Metallica anything less then perfect

No band is 100% perfect. I'm a huge Metallica fan and i can say that they arent perfect. Its not like Mustaine wrote a whole album and they stole it, they have used songs that Dave helped write and have also credited him with that. You know that part where it says "music written by" Dave's name is write there with the others on the songs he helped write.

hey all, ive official listenedto what seems to be a new metallica song (my friend has it) its called 'Chains of pain' and it sounds like a new metallica (heavier and with solos)

No, No, No...its not Metallica at all. When i first started trying to download St. Anger there was a song that said "Metallica-St. Anger" when in reality it was a song called The Wanderer by a kick *** band called Manditory...and im pretty sure it the same band with the chains of pain

[the_cheesy_one]

Well IMO Metallica's the best!

Hetfield didn't steal Mustaine's riffs... It still says Dave Mustaine in the composer part. There's a dude up there who says Slayer has more emotion than Metallica because the singer's always yelling and stuff. I don't know about everyone else but I think there's more emotion in Sanitarium than a whole album of slayer. But that's just my opinion.

That dude also said Dave Lombardo's a better drummer than Lars. It doesn't matter how fast you can play, how many fancy fills you can do, whether you can do a backflip or not(ok so not many people can do that), the only thing that matters is if you can play to the music... You see Dave could probably play all the Metallica songs but it just wouldn't be the same... it wouldn't sound as good as Lars playing it. Now Lars could probably play some Slayer stuff but it wouldn't sound anywhere near as good. You can't beat the original!

Also there's a big argument about Megadeth and Metallica. Lol personally I think it's dumb because you're not gonna convince someone who loves Megadeth that Metallica is better and vice versa. Don't get me wrong I reckon Megadeth are pretty wicked but I personally think their riffs are just lacking something. They're no where near as catchy as Metallica's and to me they just don't sound as good.

So yea peoples there's no point trying to convince others that one band's better than another because everyone has different tastes.

Oh yea and Master of Puppets rocks!

[Paranoidd]

Well IMO Metallica's the best!

Hetfield didn't steal Mustaine's riffs... It still says Dave Mustaine in the composer part. There's a dude up there who says Slayer has more emotion than Metallica because the singer's always yelling and stuff. I don't know about everyone else but I think there's more emotion in Sanitarium than a whole album of slayer. But that's just my opinion.

That dude also said Dave Lombardo's a better drummer than Lars. It doesn't matter how fast you can play, how many fancy fills you can do, whether you can do a backflip or not(ok so not many people can do that), the only thing that matters is if you can play to the music... You see Dave could probably play all the Metallica songs but it just wouldn't be the same... it wouldn't sound as good as Lars playing it. Now Lars could probably play some Slayer stuff but it wouldn't sound anywhere near as good. You can't beat the original!



Don't be an @sshole. I never said Slayer has more emotion BECAUSE they use screaming, idiot.

Also, it DOES matter how fast you play, it DOES matter how many fancy fills you can do. At least, it does when you are a thrash drummer. For example, Lars can do maybe 4 fills. Dave can do 2034982309482. Get it? Lars had to double track Dyers Eve because he couldn't play the double bass fast enough. I think Dave could have probably done it with one foot. Be happy I gave Lars credit for decency on MOP, because he generally sucks beyond belief.

Also, if "you can't beat the original", I guess Kirk Hammet nor Cliff Burton had any place being in the band, considering they weren't the first guitar/bass player Metallica had.

[jaymz_is_god]

Please don't turn this into another debate on Lars' drumming ability :upset:

[Paranoidd]

Don't worry, there is no debate. Anybody with an iota of intelligence realizes that I speak truth and fact.

[\m/Pete\m/]

Be happy I gave Lars credit for decency on MOP, because he generally sucks beyond belief.

I think if you're going to give him credit do it on AJFA minus DE. I believe he can do it too, but why he couldnt then and there i dont get. If you listen to the songs St.Anger or All Within My Hands he uses the double bass just as fast as on Dyers Eve.

[Paranoidd]

I should hope so. If I was the drummer in the "biggest metal band in the world" and I couldn't even play my own tracks due to lack of skill, I think I'd spend the rest of my life practicing.

Unfortunately, any double bass prowess that Lars could display on St. Anger was effectively ruined by his choice of an industrial size trash can in lieu of a snare drum.

[\m/Pete\m/]

Yeah im gonna have to go with you on that one. It doesnt bother me anymore, but it really got under my skin early on. Ok now for what im about to say i have to say this first, i know i'll probably get flamed big time for this, but im not a "n00b" or anything like that so keep you panties on. IMO minus the snare drum, St.Anger has some of Metallica's better drumming

[metalliman1066]

Metallica rocks! But I don't really see A LOT of Metallica threads.


totally right we should see more

[Paranoidd]

From what I remember (I think I've only heard the album 2 or 3 times in its entirety) you're about right. I mean, Lars has never been excessively fast, and only mildly creative. A 4/4 kick kick/snare kick kick/snare combo is cool when used properly, but I can only hear it on so many tracks before I get annoyed. I've never seen them live, so I can't comment on his improvisation (if any) but I know that his fills and rolls never really caught my ear.

[Paranoidd]

totally right we should see more

No. That is the point of this one. So we don't have the forums polluted with threads like "'Tallica RuLeZ! I love Jaymez LOL!!1!1! Whats ur favorit song?!?????"

Post all that crap here.

[DimebagDarrell]

totally right we should see more

no because thats the whole point of this thread to keep all metallica talk in one place.

[Paranoidd]

I'm faster :p

[\m/Pete\m/]

I also think that Lar's problem is that he's kind of lazy. He doesnt really try hard to show any skill what-so-ever. I believe he's got lots of talent and skill (he does a have an odd half-choke/off-beat technique), but doesnt ever try to show any off it.

Live hes pretty cool. he adds nice little parts into song. Most notably is For Whom the Bell Tolls...I think he first did it on the S&M version. Oh and Im talkin about the double bass in the begining of the song

[Squirrel]

totally right we should see more

Are you ****ing retarded?

[DisposableHeroes]

I should hope so. If I was the drummer in the "biggest metal band in the world" and I couldn't even play my own tracks due to lack of skill, I think I'd spend the rest of my life practicing.

Unfortunately, any double bass prowess that Lars could display on St. Anger was effectively ruined by his choice of an industrial size trash can in lieu of a snare drum.

why did he use that sound for the album if he doesnt even have that sound live? Thats whats bothering me

[\m/Pete\m/]

if you notice on the remix of Some Kinda Monster it doesnt sound like that either. I think Bob Rock thought to himself "Maybe i shouldnt of set the snare up that way"

[DisposableHeroes]

its funny, theres a picture in a magazine with Bob Rock and Lars in the studio with the caption at the bottom "see this button? I push it and it ****s up the sound of the drums"

[Paranoidd]

The first time I heard St. Anger (it was the video), I think Lars got about two taps of that snare before I said (out loud): What the fvck is with that snare? It followed with more WTF questions, like WTF is James singing about, WTF are they doing in a prison, WTF am I watching this for?

Most likely you guys are right, they realized how retarded it sounded and changed it. Either way Lars is an idiot. If he set up that snare himself, he's an idiot. If Rock set it up, Lars is an idiot for not changing it. I don't think James would have stood by and let Rock tune his guitar up 3 steps.

[alexisonfire43]

i would have to agree that the drums sounded very bad in that song and all of St.Anger.

[the_cheesy_one]

Yea the snare sounds dodge. Lol I read an interview with Lars in a drum mag where he said that he didn't realise he had the snares lowered and when he did he thought it sounded cool so he just left it like that.

[\m/Pete\m/]

Im going to go to the Some Kind Of Monster movie on Friday. Has anyone seen it?

[CreepingBlack]

Yes lets make up facts from opinions... :rolleyes:

"omg dis song rawks dis hard!!11"
"no u r st00pid"
comeone man, dont embarrass yourself. I never said they're facts. Don't you understand i was just comparing them. Either way if someone thought i was rating too high or too low, well it wouldn't matter, cause the songs would both still be rated the same. I think i was pretty accurate, and showed that MOP didn't lost any ground after RIDE

[CreepingBlack]

Lars had to double track Dyers Eve because he couldn't play the double bass fast enough.

no ****IN way. Are you serious. If thats true then lars sucks wienrr skillwise. Dude, im pissed off now.

[Squirrel]

It's true - they had to piece it together from tiny sections he could actualy manage.

[Metal G]

its funny how all the metallica fans are sayin how lars is crap and MOP and beyond sucked, they wernt moving away from heavy metal at that time, they were moving into heavy metal from thrash metal, so what if MOP+ were diffrent albums, they still f*cking rule!

[Metal G]

hey again, i might get the 3rd and last of my live Tallica dvd collection (binge & purge)
but i just wanna know if its worth £35.
i know it has 3dvds and 2 cds but are they good?
Are there any gigs in which james and lars have long hair?

[Paranoidd]

its funny how all the metallica fans are sayin how lars is crap and MOP and beyond sucked, they wernt moving away from heavy metal at that time, they were moving into heavy metal from thrash metal, so what if MOP+ were diffrent albums, they still f*cking rule!

Why is that funny? (Unless you're talking about how Lars sucks. Yes, that is funny).

[Morello]

hey again, i might get the 3rd and last of my live Tallica dvd collection (binge & purge)
but i just wanna know if its worth £35.
i know it has 3dvds and 2 cds but are they good?
Are there any gigs in which james and lars have long hair?
I got it on my birthday and I think its a pretty goods dvd
BTW: it has 2dvds and 3 cds

[dougefresh]

Metallica in 16 days :chug: Wahoo!

[CreepingBlack]

It's true - they had to piece it together from tiny sections he could actualy manage.
so he couldn't even do it all the way through overdubbed?

[MorduM]

is live **** worth paying for?

[jaymz_is_god]

it is indeed

[Hardest_Rocker]

Live Sh*t is pretty cool, has anyone heard Rob's bass thing called Junglessence? Killer bass.

[metallovinbastrd]

Live Sh*t is pretty cool, has anyone heard Rob's bass thing called Junglessence? Killer bass.

pretty cool??????thats a major understatment.

[lhguitarist]

hey again, i might get the 3rd and last of my live Tallica dvd collection (binge & purge)
but i just wanna know if its worth £35.
i know it has 3dvds and 2 cds but are they good?
Are there any gigs in which james and lars have long hair?
Binge and Purge was made before they cut their hair. I bought it for about $45. I don't know what that comes out to in pounds but I thought it was worth it.

[Hardest_Rocker]

Check this out people who think Rob sucks at bass and those who don't alike:

http://bransoul.free.fr/musiques/Junglessence.mp3

it says its like :50 seconds long but its about 2:00

[RavenousMetalist87]

The first time I heard St. Anger (it was the video), I think Lars got about two taps of that snare before I said (out loud): What the fvck is with that snare? It followed with more WTF questions, like WTF is James singing about, WTF are they doing in a prison, WTF am I watching this for?
.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Paranoidd, that was great...it just made me crack up.

[Five Magics]

Check this out people who think Rob sucks at bass and those who don't alike:

http://bransoul.free.fr/musiques/Junglessence.mp3

it says its like :50 seconds long but its about 2:00

Its not that Rob sucks at bass, because I think he is an amazing bass player. But I think he just doesn't suit the band at all. His whole image, his stage presence, it just doesnt fit with Metallica. Whereas Cliff and Jason suited the band, i thought anyways.

Also, the fact that he is a great bass player has NO relevance to Metallica whatsoever. He will have next to nothing creative control within the band, because as we all know, its all about James and Lars.

[Hardest_Rocker]

but that bass still rocks.

[Five Magics]

too bad we wont hear any of it on their new album

[\m/Pete\m/]

Thats bass solo ****ing owned..he actually played that part from Orion right. I heard Newstead play it and he kept hitting the wrong notes

[Morello]

wow, never heard him playing so cool

[killswitchlog]

Check this out people who think Rob sucks at bass and those who don't alike:

http://bransoul.free.fr/musiques/Junglessence.mp3


i've got to give credit where credit is due, but, cliff's solos were about 10 vigintillion times better than Junglessence. Junglessence, imo, is not worth the 1.3 MB to put on my computer and if i did, i would never listen
to it or recommend it to anyone. it sucked. i can't play bass that well but i know enough to say cliff playing the Star-Spangled Banner was alot better than Junglessence. and jason imo is a lot better than rob to. sorry i got nothing

[Paranoidd]

Yeah, that did suck. Any run of the mill Primus track 0wns that solo.

And there is no way Newsted played that part from Orion wrong. It isn't THAT hard.

[killswitchlog]

try this: http://www.cliffburton.org/interact/download/mp3.htm
june 25

[alcoholocaust]

Binge and Purge was made before they cut their hair. I bought it for about $45. I don't know what that comes out to in pounds but I thought it was worth it.

You mean the first release in 1993? They released a new one in 2002 and I have not seen the origional '93 release in any store ever since.

[Drum_and_Bass_Guy89]

Binge and Purge is soooo awesome

[<Creeping_Death>]

You mean the first release in 1993? They released a new one in 2002 and I have not seen the origional '93 release in any store ever since.

I have :wave:

[\m/Pete\m/]

And there is no way Newsted played that part from Orion wrong. It isn't THAT hard.

I know its not that hard cuz even i know how to play it, but it didnt sound right...actually im listening to it now and i think he's just trying to make his own little verison of it...but it still sounds like ****

[FrailandBedazzled1979]

Binge and Purge is soooo awesome

that video (seattle date) got me to grow my hair out....oh so so many years ago :)

[jaymz_is_god]

I thought Junglessence was amazing. I seen it live and it just blew me away, but saying that i don't know that much about bass

[TallicaChic]

lol...for all you bass players out there...how hard was Anesthesia (sp) to play? anyone hear any more news on the new album?

[Mike the 'Tender]

it took me a LONG time to get the rythm and speed down, but once you start to get it, it's not that hard to start playing right. I think you spelt Anesthesia right.

[eggs'n'spam]

hm..havnt read ALL 307 pages of this so i might be asking an already covered question, if so sorry..but why did everyone in metallica cut their hair at the beginning of the 90's? i was only like..4-5 when they did...so i dont recall anything from the time

[Capinspork]

Check out my band at http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=3804195&Mytoken=20040917134001
For 3 full downloadable tracks, OR go to our home page
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[Paranoidd]

hm..havnt read ALL 307 pages of this so i might be asking an already covered question, if so sorry..but why did everyone in metallica cut their hair at the beginning of the 90's? i was only like..4-5 when they did...so i dont recall anything from the time

It was to signify their descent into mainstream mediocrity.

[NailHead]

Its not that Rob sucks at bass, because I think he is an amazing bass player. But I think he just doesn't suit the band at all. His whole image, his stage presence, it just doesnt fit with Metallica. Whereas Cliff and Jason suited the band, i thought anyways.

I saw Metallica live for the first time this summer, August, Xcel Energy Center in Minneapolis. I have seen Cliff and Jason in live performances on tape and on the internet and I completely agree. Rob just has something different that changes the atmosphere of the stage. But I forgive him for it cause he's a good bass player.

[eggs'n'spam]

indeed paranoidd..indeed..

[-Listy-]

Check out my band at http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=3804195&Mytoken=20040917134001
For 3 full downloadable tracks, OR go to our home page
WWW.Circusofdeadsquirrels.com

That site wasted valuable minutes of my life :)

[Drum_and_Bass_Guy89]

Check this out people who think Rob sucks at bass and those who don't alike:

http://bransoul.free.fr/musiques/Junglessence.mp3

it says its like :50 seconds long but its about 2:00

wow rob is amazing lol

[eggs'n'spam]

um..that link..yea that was impressive..but it still dosnt make up for acting like a monkey on stage..i find his stage presence annoying, yea but thats sum mad bass playing..if he played the orion solo correct i would like it better..

[Bulldogabel]

OMG! I don't play bass but I know that, that solo kicked ***.

[eggs'n'spam]

the last solo? thats from orion, its so awsum when played right, one of my favorite riffs, he plays it an octave lower..rob makes me miss when cliff was writing their bass lines..CLIFF>rob

[metalexa]

ok befor i saw metallica i thout rob sux @ bass but wow i know he jumps aroung but wow he is amaising @ playing like no one has played like that since cliff

[metalexa]

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[Big-Bird]

how dare you guys even think Rob sucks at bass, obviously you guys don't even know he played for Infectious Grooves or Suicidal Tendencies. Rob is a very good bass player.

[metalexa]

YA i know

[chuckles the silly piggy]

Notice how Rob was introduced like cliff,James never introduced jason that way
Rob also kicks *** but i must agree CLIFF>Rob>jason

[chuckles the silly piggy]

A bit o metalli'info:
Did you know that James asked Les Claypool to join Metallica after Cliff died but he was ''too good''

[Metal G]

I got it on my birthday and I think its a pretty goods dvd
BTW: it has 2dvds and 3 cds

thx

[Metal G]

ok seriously guys, how dare you even think that trujillio is any where near as talented as cliff, trujillio isnt that bad, but how the hell did he get into metallica? i just cant picture it in my head.

[trev913]

Okay, so I have a question...

What's the song with the gypsy-type lady singing at the end? My friend asked me this last night, only she wanted to know who it was. And I knew that. But she also wanted the title, and that I couldn't come up with, even after her reading just about every existing Metallica song in existence off to me.

I THINK it's The Memory Remains, but she said no.

[metallovinbastrd]

im pretty sure your right with the memory remains, i havent heard any other songs with female vocals in it. and its on the reload album.

[Accentopus]

They should have taken Claypool when he was there for the taking

[BlinDecsent]

They should have taken Claypool when he was there for the taking



But then we wouldn't have Primus. And beceides what direction would metallica be in today if they had Claypool all through the 90's. It is just like wondering what they be like if Cliff never died...

[Someone_unknown]

heh, I always thought it was James singing, and that he just made his voice a little vierd, but sure, Memory is the only song where the singing is totally freaky at the end...in a good way that is...

[Someone_unknown]

Yeah, what if they'd just stayed away from Sweeden...none of it would have happened...

[metallica fan]

Okay, so I have a question...

What's the song with the gypsy-type lady singing at the end? My friend asked me this last night, only she wanted to know who it was. And I knew that. But she also wanted the title, and that I couldn't come up with, even after her reading just about every existing Metallica song in existence off to me.

I THINK it's The Memory Remains, but she said no.
its the memory remains

[fenderbender89]

Hey Does anyone know when the next metallica album is coming out.I hope there will be a new album! :thumb:

[metallovinbastrd]

i think they said spring

[The Bell Tolls]

january 2005 is wen they start recording

[Someone_unknown]

well, whatever becomes of that album, I'm gonna love it! Metallica doesn't have any bad albums, just som that are better than other....

[Paranoidd]

They don't have fans, just lapdogs.

[Baodegoth]

They don't have fans, just lapdogs.
:upset: ...why lord? why can't this have an end? i happen to like every 'tallica album, so what?! is it a sin? can't i like something that much? yes i fvckin' worship them does that make me a 'lapdog'?..you wish you could make music like that!

[Someone_unknown]

weeee! someone cocky who thinks s/he is really cool just called me a lapdog, oh I'm so offended, I think I'm gonna cry myself to sleep tonight....

[Someone_unknown]

They don't have fans, just lapdogs.
What band is it you're a "fan" of then?

[Paranoidd]

=Baodegothyes i fvckin' worship them does that make me a 'lapdog'

Uh, yes in fact.

[Paranoidd]

weeee! someone cocky who thinks s/he is really cool just called me a lapdog, oh I'm so offended, I think I'm gonna cry myself to sleep tonight....

I'm not cocky, I just think you're an idiot for saying something so stupid as "I'm going to like the album no matter what it sounds like!"

That is the type of stupid fanyboy mentality that gives metallica fans a bad name.

And I like Metallica too, I just happen to have my own personal view on their music, as opposed to blindly worshipping everything they do.

[Kingofdudes]

"well, whatever becomes of that album, I'm gonna love it!" - Fanboy

[headbang89]

yeah, this has nothing to do with anything but hit the lights is a sweet song.

[eggs'n'spam]

how dare you guys even think Rob sucks at bass, obviously you guys don't even know he played for Infectious Grooves or Suicidal Tendencies. Rob is a very good bass player.

didnt say he sucks. i said i dislike him, and dislike him altering orion..i even said i found it impressive, just him altering orion sorta..bugged me..metalexa..please learn to spell..difficult to read your posts :thumb:

[sunshine09]

this is the coolest thread ever, metallica is so awesome, my favorite song of theirs if probably fade to black, anyone with me?

[eggs'n'spam]

fade to black is alright..i cant get enough of whiplash though! whiplash and jump in the fire..and all of kill em all :thumb: ride the lightning is pretty good too, but kill em all=best metallica album IMO.

[\m/Pete\m/]

didnt say he sucks. i said i dislike him, and dislike him altering orion..i even said i found it impressive, just him altering orion sorta..bugged me..metalexa..please learn to spell..difficult to read your posts :thumb:


how did he alter orion again??

btw i saw Some Kind of Monster last night and it was awesome

[TallicaChic]

robert is a good bass player all around..but i'm not diggin his style....or the way he acts like a monkey on stage..it's just not happenin.

[ForWhomTheBellTolls...]

rob is awesome. hes a really good bass player, but yeah, he can be a bit austentacious onstage, but its all good.

[FrailandBedazzled1979]

robert is a good bass player all around..but i'm not diggin his style....or the way he acts like a monkey on stage..it's just not happenin.

get over yourself. have you heard Rob play with the Suicidial Tendincies, Ozzy Osbourne, or The Infectious Grooves before? Metallica has never been a bass dominated band and Rob is filling the shows for musicians before him, has had no input with the group, and is playing the old material wonderfully on stage. Talent wise (comming from a bassiest of close to a decade) hes far more creative and well rounded than Cliff whom was never in his wildest dreams gods gift to bass guitar. Enjoy it Rob for what he's doing for the band. I swear, no one is good enough for some of you people.

[I wasnt talkin to you]

I am a big fan with metallicas older stuff but ONLY there older stuff like their first 4 albums Killem All, Ride The lightning, Master Of Puppets and And Justice For All... and i hate anything from Load.

[I wasnt talkin to you]

The Metallica movie Some kind of monster has just come out in australia but how is it i am desperately wanting to see it?

[I wasnt talkin to you]

In my personal opinion Dave Mustaine is a better guitarist than Kirk Hammet does anybody now why he was kicked out of Metallica.

[daveplaysdrums]

What is people's problem with Reload? I reckon it's quite possibly one of the best tallica albums, but fans I've spoken to aren't so keen on it.

[Diatonic Dissonance™]

didnt say he sucks. i said i dislike him, and dislike him altering orion..i even said i found it impressive, just him altering orion sorta..bugged me..metalexa..please learn to spell..difficult to read your posts :thumb:
He altered Orion?! What a fagg! :p.

[DisposableHeroes]

he didnt alter it

[Chu]

In my personal opinion Dave Mustaine is a better guitarist than Kirk Hammet does anybody now why he was kicked out of Metallica.

He was a drunk, he was abusive...

[The Bell Tolls]

its good to see that paranoidd has stfu for a bit.

yea a i love reload.

[thechron]

what is jason newsted doing these days is he still in echo brain or is he doin something else now ?????????

[chuckles the silly piggy]

Mustaine was kicked out because one night he was driving the band home and crashed the car and nearly killed the whole band cos he was langered out of his head that would t have been good.

I think Jason is doing it solo now.

[The Bell Tolls]

and now he's a whiney bitch, who makes good music. i still like megadeth.
does anyone else here like megadeth?

[Chu]

Hell yeah, any Metallica fan should also give Megadeth a burl, both great bands. :thumb:

[chuckles the silly piggy]

meh they re good,relly good in fact but no metallica

[chuckles the silly piggy]

Who was that guy saying that Rob is better than Cliff cos what ever he's smoking i want some of it.

[The Bell Tolls]

lol, cliff owns all.

[chuckles the silly piggy]

True,True I wish i owned all then i could watch metallica all The time

[The Bell Tolls]

whos your fav. member?

[chuckles the silly piggy]

Cliff
Kirk
James
Rob
Lars


In that order

[alcoholocaust]

I'm faster :p

That's nice to know.

[Metallica Rules]

Hey guys :wave: Im new here and I have been playing metallica songs for almost 2 years now. And being a metallica fan my whole life.So what's new here anyway?

[ThrashMaster27]

Jasons in ****ing Voivod.

[chuckles the silly piggy]

Intresting
Why did he quit Ozzys band

[ThrashMaster27]

I don't have a clue why he quit Ozzys band mate, but he was on the recent self titled Voivod album. Happened to be very good aswell.

[Metallica Rules]

yea, he left ozzy for voivod, but that's quiet awhile ago..

[chuckles the silly piggy]

are there any Load songs that fall into the s,hit hard catagory
im talking ride the lighting solo hard

[ThrashMaster27]

No, Load doesn't really have any 80's Metallica songs on it. I really can't stand most of it, but some people can.

[Metallica Rules]

Hey, i was trying out One for these past weeks. But can't find any background solo in the tabs here. can anyone tab it out for me?

[adamthebassist]

Hey guys i just checked this thread out and have to say KICKASS!! I love metallica and its awesome to see them getting the respect they so richly deserve. I am so sick of seeing people ripping them for actually trying something a little different with St. Anger. I have the utmost respect for them and the impact they've had on music. (i will gladly stick my fender p bass up the *** of anyone that says they suck) And I'm goin to see them this friday w/ Godsmack opening for them. I am so ****ing stoked!!! OMG Im getting jittery just thinking about it. BTW is it safe to wear a Korn shirt to the concert or will i get my *** kicked?? Pink Floyd a safer bet?? Or maybe NIN.....

[chuckles the silly piggy]

No.Man bring the Korn t-Shirt
Hehehe hes going to get the **** kicked out of him

awww **** I wrote that down

[adamthebassist]

lol thx.

[The Bell Tolls]

....or a MetallicA t-shirt

[chuckles the silly piggy]

No man im serious wear the Korn T-shirt hehe

[The Bell Tolls]

i dare ya to go to a megadeth gig with a metallica t-shirt hehe

[adamthebassist]

i dare ya to go to a megadeth gig with a metallica t-shirt hehe

HELL ****ING NO. THANKS. lol. and if i had a metallica t-shirt, i d wear that, but i dont, and if i had the money i'd buy one to wear to it. but i dont.

[ForTheMusic22]

well, adamthebassist, i'm glad you think the thread is so cool. i'm starting to get tired of it. i think the idea is great, i love metallica, but you have to be careful about saying that or you might get called a "lapdog." the problem is that most of the people on here get way too defensive if you don't agree with their opinion, and then there's those others that come on here and say something just to purposely piss people off. but the worst is those that feel the need to "educate" us. it usually happens when another band is thrown into discussion (i.e. megadeth). Person 1: "I think Metallica is better than Megadeth." Person 2: "Oh no, no, no, Person 1 you are so wrong. Megadeth is so much better. In fact, I'm so much better! And this is why..." one band can sound better to YOU, but you can't say that one is better. it's like saying a turkey sandwich is better than a ham sandwich. wow, i could really go for one of those right now... oh yeah, anyways, they're different, it all depends on your taste. and some people try to say that one band is better because of the way they use scales or certain song-writing techniques or whatever. so what? just because a band doesn't use certain scales or write in different modes doesn't mean they can't do it, maybe they just don't like the way some of that stuff sounds. and just because you don't like to listen to what a band likes to play doesn't mean they suck. some of you try to compare bands and their music like it's a judged olympic event, something that has specific parameters and requirements and where precision can be measured. if you do that with music then you don't really understand it at all.

[Kingofdudes]

well, adamthebassist, i'm glad you think the thread is so cool. i'm starting to get tired of it. i think the idea is great, i love metallica, but you have to be careful about saying that or you might get called a "lapdog." the problem is that most of the people on here get way too defensive if you don't agree with their opinion, and then there's those others that come on here and say something just to purposely piss people off. but the worst is those that feel the need to "educate" us. it usually happens when another band is thrown into discussion (i.e. megadeth). Person 1: "I think Metallica is better than Megadeth." Person 2: "Oh no, no, no, Person 1 you are so wrong. Megadeth is so much better. In fact, I'm so much better! And this is why..." one band can sound better to YOU, but you can't say that one is better. it's like saying a turkey sandwich is better than a ham sandwich. wow, i could really go for one of those right now... oh yeah, anyways, they're different, it all depends on your taste. and some people try to say that one band is better because of the way they use scales or certain song-writing techniques or whatever. so what? just because a band doesn't use certain scales or write in different modes doesn't mean they can't do it, maybe they just don't like the way some of that stuff sounds. and just because you don't like to listen to what a band likes to play doesn't mean they suck. some of you try to compare bands and their music like it's a judged olympic event, something that has specific parameters and requirements and where precision can be measured. if you do that with music then you don't really understand it at all.

ham > turkey
me > you

USE PARAGRAPHS!