The Last Great Song?

[St. Anthonys fire]

Not strictly bassrelated, but... I was listening to some old Zeppelin the other day, and it got me wondering... are there any songs left to be written? It seems all the great rock and metal songs have been done, and no more riffs are left, unless we want to go all crazy with wierd alternative things and styles..

So, your oppinnions please, which songs can never be outdone, and which basslines can never be bested?

[St. Anthonys fire]

Come onnnn people...

[E_man]

Come onnnn people...

In future everybodies going to have to go more technical because as you have said the raw power of riffs can be used anymore because verything pretty much as been done before. Quite a shame for a NWOBHM fan like me where riffs riened (spl?) king. oh well...

[St. Anthonys fire]

Reigned.. i think... Speaking of NWOBHM, thats exactly what im talking about, pitch early maiden against old maiden, the old stuffs gotta win

[Deacy]

Reigned.. i think... Speaking of NWOBHM, thats exactly what im talking about, pitch early maiden against old maiden, the old stuffs gotta win
Early = old doesn't it?

[St. Anthonys fire]

My bad... old vs new then

[Esp Griffyn]

What a stupid thread, of course there are great songs to be written.

[St. Anthonys fire]

What a stupid thread, of course there are great songs to be written.
But with the same feeling of originality? seems there are a lot of rehashed tunes out there..
Just listen to ...And justice for all, clearly remakes of tallicas older stuff

[E_man]

But with the same feeling of originality? seems there are a lot of rehashed tunes out there..
Just listen to ...And justice for all, clearly remakes of tallicas older stuff

no...

[Matthew2250]

There's so much still to be done, you can never completely run out of things to do, thats just stupid.

Just because no one's doing something new right now doesn't mean that they never will again.

[ebe9]

I have to say I am with St Anthony on this one.

I have not heard anything really that stands out and has lasted. Sure there have been some good songs (keep in mind I am going from 2000 onwards) but nothing that has really stood out, about the only one that i still enjoy on a regular basis is Alien Ant Farm - Smooth Criminal and thats a damn cover.

I suppose that too a degree mny scope is somewhat limited and that as many have said, the record companies are playing it safe with "sure things" i.e. pretty much any sort of rap/hip-hip/pop that is "easy listening" and does not threaten.

Right enough ranting from me.

<<<<<<<<wanders off to listen to a cover

[Led_Zeppelin678]

Not strictly bassrelated, but... I was listening to some old Zeppelin the other day, and it got me wondering... are there any songs left to be written? It seems all the great rock and metal songs have been done, and no more riffs are left, unless we want to go all crazy with wierd alternative things and styles..

So, your oppinnions please, which songs can never be outdone, and which basslines can never be bested?

Listen to Down, Crowbar, and Corrosion of Conformity.

[Esp Griffyn]

But with the same feeling of originality? seems there are a lot of rehashed tunes out there..
Just listen to ...And justice for all, clearly remakes of tallicas older stuff


Perhaps if you spent more time listening to new music instead of glorifying the old stuff, you'd see that good new music is coming all the time.

[Deacy]

But with the same feeling of originality? seems there are a lot of rehashed tunes out there..
Just listen to ...And justice for all, clearly remakes of tallicas older stuff
Well even AJFA is old, and there's still a feel of originality in Vai's stuff

[St. Anthonys fire]

Well even AJFA is old, and there's still a feel of originality in Vai's stuff
Given, that album is old, but you get the general idea, problem is i don't have much time (or money) to listen to all the new stuff. when i buy a record i want to know it will be good, not just some generic watered down stuff

[darrell]

Perhaps if you spent more time listening to new music instead of glorifying the old stuff, you'd see that good new music is coming all the time.

123.

You just aren't listening to new music. I felt the same way years ago... but I've realized that I was retarded. Take that as you may.

:thumb:

[AlmightyPancake]

Perhaps if you spent more time listening to new music instead of glorifying the old stuff, you'd see that good new music is coming all the time.
123

Porcupine Tree, Zella Mayzell, Tool, 3, Bella Lea, Panic at the Disco, Benzos, Morning Theft, Cloud Room, Dredg, and MANY other bands are continuously redefining the power of riffs and harmonies in music every album.

[PaulSimonon]

Sometimes I wonder if people really listen to music or if they just judge it.

[AlmightyPancake]

Sometimes I wonder if people really listen to music or if they just judge it.
ditto

[Sade]

Sometimes I wonder if people really listen to music or if they just judge it.

pre-judge* FTW.

[Napes]

My gf is like that... shes really into the 50's, according to her its "real" music. It pisses me off because ya, whats being played on the radio does not usually reflect the true value of music thats comming out nowadays.

Like someone said, record companies are playing it safe with things that are easily accesible.

[cAPS_lOCK]

Pick up anything from the new wave of Prog - Spock's Beard, The Flower Kings, Transatlantic, Pain of Salvation, Porcupine Tree (thanks, pancake, nearly forgot... somehow), etc - and you will realize there are many, many original epics left to be written.

[Jaded]

In future everybodies going to have to go more technical because as you have said the raw power of riffs can be used anymore because verything pretty much as been done before. Quite a shame for a NWOBHM fan like me where riffs riened (spl?) king. oh well...
Okay, now what the f*ck does NWOBHM stand for?

[E_man]

Okay, now what the f*ck does NWOBHM stand for?

New Wave Of British Heavy Metal you uneducated fool lol

[Jaded]

Are you kidding me? That is the stupidist thing to abbreviate. Internet acronyms are getting out of hand.

[E_man]

Are you kidding me? That is the stupidist thing to abbreviate. Internet acronyms are getting out of hand.

Its not an internet acronym, its what it was called 'back in the day' as well. again, fool

[Jaded]

"Yeah bro, I'm really diggin on this rad N-W-O-B-H-M sh*t"

[Akira]

There are songs to be written and good music to be made, but bands don't. Music is to focused on marketability, no one is willing to innovate. If a band dresses a certain way and makes crappy music and sells a bunch of cds, hundreds of other bands say "Hey, if we do exactly what they are doing we will be rich and famous too!"

[PaulSimonon]

Seriously, all you have to do is dig deeper than the mainstream stuff and you'll find more good music than you can handle.

[edgebass5]

realize this: in western music, there are ONLY the following notes: E F F# G G# A A# B C C# D D#.... that's an obviously finite number of notes, and thusly a finite number of chords you can construct from those notes. In that regard anytime anyone plays any one of those notes at any time in any way, they are not being original..... that's the logic of the situation, but that doesn't apply in the real world.

Here's a simple way to look at it: When you listen to something, do you enjoy it? If you answered yes then keep listening to it, if you answered no, don't listen to it. Nothing else should matter. Theoretical originality be damned.

[PaulSimonon]

*high fives Edge*

[edgebass5]

*high fives Edge*

*vows to never again wash the hand that was high fived*

.....creepy :lol:

[E_man]

"Yeah bro, I'm really diggin on this rad N-W-O-B-H-M sh*t"

great!!! who you listening to?

[PaulSimonon]

Whoah, you still use that hand? I cut mine off....

[Jaded]

great!!! who you listening to?
You know, like Tears for Fears, Aha, etc.. That kind of gnarbar steeze.

\m/ \m/

[E_man]

You know, like Tears for Fears, Aha, etc.. That kind of gnarbar steeze.

I believe its A-Ha, and arn't they from Denmark? But I do love the metal vibe they give out.

[Jaded]

a-ha ftw

[SixnStones]

you suck at life, get out and listen to music. don't be a snob

[E_man]

you suck at life, get out and listen to music. don't be a snob

was that directed at me?

[PaulR]

I'm guessing threadstarter.

[SixnStones]

thta was to TS, soz

[JBass]

i gotta say incubus has some pretty unique stuff....although i am a huge fan so its a bit biased but still...i don't think people can argue..especailly FA and S.C.I.E.N.C.E.

[Chris K]

realize this: in western music, there are ONLY the following notes: E F F# G G# A A# B C C# D D#.... that's an obviously finite number of notes, and thusly a finite number of chords you can construct from those notes. In that regard anytime anyone plays any one of those notes at any time in any way, they are not being original..... that's the logic of the situation, but that doesn't apply in the real world.

Here's a simple way to look at it: When you listen to something, do you enjoy it? If you answered yes then keep listening to it, if you answered no, don't listen to it. Nothing else should matter. Theoretical originality be damned.

However, if the limitations of this situation do get you down, listen to some microtonal music, I especially dig japanese music :D

[edgebass5]

However, if the limitations of this situation do get you down, listen to some microtonal music, I especially dig japanese music :D

Definitely. I've tried listening to some Indian (Indian as in India, not native american) music before, and for someone so used to the tonality of western music, the microtones (i.e. tones located between semitones) really jump out at you.

"Wow man, what note was that?"
"Oh, its about 19 cents sharp of C." :D

[Chris K]

Definitely. I've tried listening to some Indian (Indian as in India, not native american) music before, and for someone so used to the tonality of western music, the microtones (i.e. tones located between semitones) really jump out at you.

"Wow man, what note was that?"
"Oh, its about 19 cents sharp of C." :D

Traditional Japanese music is very very cool, I think I prefer it to Indian music, as it seems to be (and this is me speaking from an uninformed, and perhaps foolishly opinionated stance) more focused on melody and texture whereas Indian music seemed to be more about the shifting of rhythms.

I love it when this kind of thing influences western musicians, Steve Smith is an example of this, he uses his western and eastern training to expand his drumming and it works very well.


I'll avoid mentioning Jonas Hellborg for fear of sounding like a broken record :p

[Jody LeCompte]

But with the same feeling of originality? seems there are a lot of rehashed tunes out there..
Just listen to ...And justice for all, clearly remakes of tallicas older stuff
Since Zeppelin didnt have any problems making oriiginal music after music had been being playead for 2000 years....I might be able to write an interesting tune or two before I die

[SLKBassist]

Sometimes I wonder if people really listen to music or if they just judge it.

I listen to it, but it does seem that many people on this forum, some of my friends, and in other places seem to judge music, they try to take it apart piece by piece, grooming it for technicalities and what not.

Anyways to go with what the original thread starter posted, i am afraid it will happen eventually possibly soon, for certain genres. Most represented by Metal, i like to listen to it, but more and more you will get interspersed riffs clearly done by one of the godfathers like Black Sabbath. It would be weird though, if you think of music as a whole will be left with repeated riffs, and pure cacophany...oh wait thats rap :p

[edgebass5]

it seems to be (and this is me speaking from an uninformed, and perhaps foolishly opinionated stance) more focused on melody and texture whereas Indian music seemed to be more about the shifting of rhythms.

I would agree with that, and the more I think about it, the more it occurs to me that you're right regarding the shifting rhythms of Indian music.... I never really noticed it before, but I think you really nailed it. :thumb:

[Manticore Guy]

Indian music is incredible. Especially Ghazal:cool: It's also very interesting to do Indianesque things on my fretless, using weird microtonal slides and such.

[Tizzle]

I've always felt that saying all originalities in music has already been thought of is like saying all great things to be written people have already wrote about.

I bet in the midst of the Baroque era a few hundred years ago many people probably thought that all types of music have already been thought of. Something will happen to change western music, it may be the use of microtones or something else that noone has thought of yet, but things will change, they always do.