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Urban Rhythm
02-13-2006, 11:47 AM
Hi,

As you may or may not know I live with a band "The Coronation". As I mentioned a little while ago in another thread we have this lawyer interested in getting us signed (he represents Bloc Party, Maximo Park, Arctic Monkeys, The Subways etc etc) and earlier this evening we got a call from EMI!

They're really interested in our stuff that they have listened to on our MySpace and are coming to one of our gigs in Liverpool and giving us some free studio time with them in London! :chug: EMI!

Just thought I'd tell ya!

Jase

kilian
02-13-2006, 11:48 AM
WOAH!

And I just joked around a few days ago (when we had a little discussion about unknown bands) that the new English band that climbs the charts will be The Coronation :lol:

Kwash2
02-13-2006, 11:50 AM
I'm touring Europe this summer, but prior to that I'm playing dates with The Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza, and our latest EP was rated 8.5/10 by metalpigeon.com.

Just had to get it out of my system.

Urban Rhythm
02-13-2006, 11:52 AM
WOAH!

And I just joked around a few days ago (when we had a little discussion about unknown bands) that the new English band that climbs the charts will be The Coronation :lol:

Did you haha? I never see that when I looked at that thread. Thanks for making a joke out of it! :angry:


:upset:

Jase

Urban Rhythm
02-13-2006, 11:54 AM
I'm touring Europe this summer, but prior to that I'm playing dates with The Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza, and our latest EP was rated 8.5/10 by metalpigeon.com.

Just had to get it out of my system.

Good job mate! You playing anywhere in Liverpool at all?

Jase

kilian
02-13-2006, 11:54 AM
I also have a life next to MX. ;)


bwhaha! me > all.


We were talking about the bands we recently discovered and drinking a bit before going out.

Urban Rhythm
02-13-2006, 11:56 AM
I also have a life next to MX. ;)


bwhaha! me > all.


We were talking about the bands we recently discovered and drinking a bit before going out.

Haha oh right... :chug: Good job!

Wintermute
02-13-2006, 11:56 AM
Scouted by EMI, bloody hell.

Good luck! :thumb:

Left Shoe
02-13-2006, 12:10 PM
thats awesome dude, you might be our next ask a pro =P

kilian
02-13-2006, 12:19 PM
thats awesome dude, you might be our next ask a pro =P
Finally a bassist from a band!


:rolleyes:


;)

muthafunkabass
02-13-2006, 12:32 PM
really awesome man. wow, EMI, thats jsut crazy.

The Forgotten Bassist
02-13-2006, 12:50 PM
Well done, very well done.

I wouldn't be complaining about getting attention from EMI. Hope it works out for ya:thumb:

basgitarist
02-13-2006, 01:16 PM
WOAH!

And I just joked around a few days ago (when we had a little discussion about unknown bands) that the new English band that climbs the charts will be The Coronation :lol:

quick, joke about my band!

Chameleon
02-13-2006, 01:25 PM
None of the songs on your myspace are working for me right now...suckitude.

Urban Rhythm
02-13-2006, 01:36 PM
Dont know why mate sorry! suckitdude

Chameleon
02-13-2006, 01:59 PM
'suckitdude'? :lol: I said "suckitude", to be said like "destitude" or "solitude".

Urban Rhythm
02-13-2006, 02:32 PM
I know ;) I thought it said suckitdude at first so i thought i'd say instead! Just trying to be cool :cool:

moghes69
02-13-2006, 02:37 PM
EMI?... it definately stands for something obvious that i know, but i can't think of it now

Spaceman Spiff
02-13-2006, 02:38 PM
:eek:

There's an ulimited supply
and there is no reason why
I tell you it was all a frame
they only did it cos the fame !
Who ?

E.M.I

Too many people had the suss
too many people support us
An unlimited amount
too many out lets in and out
Who ?

E.M.I

And sir and friends are crucified
a day they wish that we had died
we are an addition
We are ruled by none

Never Ever NEVERRRRRRAAA

And you thought that we were faking
that we were all just money making
You do not believe we're for real
or you would lose your cheap appeal ?

Don't judge a book by the cover
Unless you cover just another
And blind acceptance is a sign
of stupid fools who stand in line
Like

E.M.I

Unlimited edition with an unlimited supply
that was the only reason we all had to say goodbye !

Unlimited supply
there is no reason why
I tell you it was all a frame
they only did it cos the fame !
I do not need the pressure
I can't stand the useless fools !
Unlimited supply
Hallo E.M.I
Goodbye A & M

Good luck... :lol:

roee_co
02-13-2006, 02:38 PM
dude EMI is the the company that started selling the first Chili Peppers's albums, you are heading the right direction :D

Good luck

Urban Rhythm
02-13-2006, 02:43 PM
:eek:

There's an ulimited supply
and there is no reason why
I tell you it was all a frame
they only did it cos the fame !
Who ?

E.M.I

Too many people had the suss
too many people support us
An unlimited amount
too many out lets in and out
Who ?

E.M.I

And sir and friends are crucified
a day they wish that we had died
we are an addition
We are ruled by none

Never Ever NEVERRRRRRAAA

And you thought that we were faking
that we were all just money making
You do not believe we're for real
or you would lose your cheap appeal ?

Don't judge a book by the cover
Unless you cover just another
And blind acceptance is a sign
of stupid fools who stand in line
Like

E.M.I

Unlimited edition with an unlimited supply
that was the only reason we all had to say goodbye !

Unlimited supply
there is no reason why
I tell you it was all a frame
they only did it cos the fame !
I do not need the pressure
I can't stand the useless fools !
Unlimited supply
Hallo E.M.I
Goodbye A & M

Good luck... :lol:

Yeah, thanks :amaze:

Chameleon
02-13-2006, 02:44 PM
I know ;) I thought it said suckitdude at first so i thought i'd say instead! Just trying to be cool :cool:

Lol oh right, I thought you were just telling me to "suck it dude" :lol: My bad.

Urban Rhythm
02-13-2006, 02:45 PM
dude EMI is the the company that started selling the first Chili Peppers's albums, you are heading the right direction :D

Good luck

Cheers man! Chili Peppers is one of my fave bands and Blur are also with EMI which is one of the lead guitarist's fave band (+ Graham Coxon) so we're wishing :thumb:

Jase

roee_co
02-13-2006, 02:46 PM
Cheers man! Chili Peppers is one of my fave bands and Blur are also with EMI which is one of the lead guitarist's fave band (+ Graham Coxon) so we're wishing :thumb:

Jase
they're no longer with them, they're now with warner brothers.

Wintermute
02-13-2006, 02:47 PM
dude EMI is the the company that started selling the first Chili Peppers's albums, you are heading the right direction :D

Good luck

Not just the Chilis - EMI are one of the four major labels. Universal, Sony BMG, Warner and EMI.

Between them and their subsidiary companies, those labels sell... more or less everyone.

Urban Rhythm
02-13-2006, 02:49 PM
they're no longer with them, they're now with warner brothers.

Yeah i didnt think they were still with EMI, if its the chili's youre talking about?

Jase

Polyamarous
02-13-2006, 02:49 PM
EMI !
Auf Der Maur
Iron Maiden
Kate Bush
Pink Floyd
The Vines
22-20s
Doves
Magic Numbers

And now you. Alright! You win.

Wintermute
02-13-2006, 02:51 PM
* Disclaimer - bands signed to the same label as Iron Maiden and Pink Floyd will not necessarily attain the same degree of success *

Polyamarous
02-13-2006, 02:53 PM
Do they then have a nack for recognising future success? Alo of those bands either are successful, or are becoming successful.

Urban Rhythm
02-13-2006, 02:57 PM
It wasnt EMI that found us it was a music Lawyer who represents Razorlight, Bloc Party, Maximo Park, Artic Monkeys amongst loads of others that did. He found all of those bands at the same stage we're at now, he basically wants to represent us as our lawyer so he wants to work on getting us signed, so then him being our Lawyer is what he gets out of it. EMI were the first he got in contact with and they've been listening to our MySpace.

Jase

kilian
02-13-2006, 02:58 PM
At polyamarous^^Do you know how many bands they've tried and you've never known about? :p

But nonetheless: I like his music, so if the album comes out here, I'm the first :D

PaulR
02-13-2006, 03:00 PM
It wasnt EMI that found us it was a music Lawyer who represents Razorlight, Bloc Party, Maximo Park, Artic Monkeys amongst loads of others that did. He found all of those bands at the same stage we're at now, he basically wants to represent us as our lawyer so he wants to work on getting us signed, so then him being our Lawyer is what he gets out of it. EMI were the first he got in contact with and they've been listening to our MySpace.

Jase
Whats your myspace address?

Wintermute
02-13-2006, 03:05 PM
Do they then have a nack for recognising future success? Alo of those bands either are successful, or are becoming successful.


To be fair, they also have hundreds, maybe thousands of other bands you've not heard of.

Being signed to a major label is not a guarantee of success - but it is a BIG step in the right direction. If EMI like what they hear, they'll likely pay for the production of an album, studio time, distribution, advice and all that. Just always be sure to read any paperwork put in front of you.

Urban Rhythm
02-13-2006, 03:06 PM
http://www.myspace.com/thecoronationstation - Heartbleeder is the single out, it came out on vinyl so the CD they gave us wasnt masterred so it hasn't got much balls. The other three are live track :thumb:

Urban Rhythm
02-13-2006, 03:11 PM
To be fair, they also have hundreds, maybe thousands of other bands you've not heard of.

Being signed to a major label is not a guarantee of success - but it is a BIG step in the right direction. If EMI like what they hear, they'll likely pay for the production of an album, studio time, distribution, advice and all that. Just always be sure to read any paperwork put in front of you.

Yeah definitely, very important point! I did a bit of work on business and contracts at the ACM in 04 so i've got an amature eye for dodgey things. We've got a few solicitors in the family also.

We've found this year quite hard, we all live together (none of us are students) and we all work random hours so its been difficult to work on new material because we are only all in the house at the same time now and then. So the chance to get signed we'd get so much more work done!

Jase

Polyamarous
02-13-2006, 03:28 PM
It wasnt EMI that found us it was a music Lawyer who represents Razorlight, Bloc Party, Maximo Park, Artic Monkeys amongst loads of others that did. He found all of those bands at the same stage we're at now, he basically wants to represent us as our lawyer so he wants to work on getting us signed, so then him being our Lawyer is what he gets out of it. EMI were the first he got in contact with and they've been listening to our MySpace.

Jase

EMI still have to accept you, and they like what they're hearing from you so far!

And I was trying to encourage him!

Jimbobntnr
02-13-2006, 03:37 PM
Congrats man!!!
Good luck and keep us posted.

Urban Rhythm
02-13-2006, 03:40 PM
EMI still have to accept you, and they like what they're hearing from you so far!

And I was trying to encourage him!

I know thanks! :thumb: I just felt abliged to mention that EMI didnt find us themselves.

Jase

Spaceman Spiff
02-13-2006, 03:42 PM
Note: I don't actually like the Sex Pistols, I just felt the need to post that song.

cAPS_lOCK
02-13-2006, 03:43 PM
Just because I'm curious - how old are you and your bandmates?

And congrats, btw, I hope it works out for you!

Urban Rhythm
02-13-2006, 03:50 PM
Just because I'm curious - how old are you and your bandmates?

And congrats, btw, I hope it works out for you!

Thanks!

I've just turned 18, been playing since i was 8. The lead guitarist/singer is nearly 19, been playing 6 years I believe. The rhythm guitarist/singer is 20 only been playing just over 2 years. The drummer is nearly 20 and has been playing 8 or 9 years i think.

I just realised this is the youngest band I've ever been in since i was 11, and im still the youngest!:p

Jase

BassPlayingPineapple
02-13-2006, 04:15 PM
Awesome news about the deal :thumb: I'll be looking out for your bands CD in my local HMV :p

Akira
02-13-2006, 04:50 PM
Those vocals are a bit meh, but the music is nice. And British singing voices are totally in in the States.

Riouken
02-13-2006, 05:11 PM
I'm touring Europe this summer, but prior to that I'm playing dates with The Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza, and our latest EP was rated 8.5/10 by metalpigeon.com.

Just had to get it out of my system.
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Cute.

Urban Rhythm
02-13-2006, 05:14 PM
Those vocals are a bit meh, but the music is nice. And British singing voices are totally in in the States.

I know mate that vocal take on Heartbleeder isnt amazing, that is seriously the only time he has ever sang it like that haha. The live vocals are much better in my opinion. He did have a cold the day of Heartbleeder in all fairness he was struggling. Oh well.

Thanks for the comments.

We did have a guy from the states get in touch with us to see if we had an US dates, which we dont, I kind of hinted that we wanted some. :thumb:

Jase

cAPS_lOCK
02-14-2006, 06:47 AM
I just listened to the songs... they didn't work last night.

Honestly, it's not terribly original and a bit too much "happy pop" to my tastes, but I can see why if the EMI blokes like it. Run Run Roxy was quite good, however. Reminded me of Bloc Party, though with a bit less energy.

Urban Rhythm
02-14-2006, 07:06 AM
Thanks for your honesty! :thumb: I never said it was original, nothing ever is, everything comes from a inspiration at some point, no bands in the chart are really that original, teeny boppers just think it is because they've never heard the band's influences before.

I personally don't understand the whole, you have to be original to make it, if people like it then whats the harm. Music is music whether it has been done before or not. It should be songs people like rather than genres?

Jase

Linkinbassist
02-14-2006, 07:15 AM
Dude, have a :chug: on us!

Linkinbassist
02-14-2006, 07:17 AM
I personally don't understand the whole, you have to be original to make it, if people like it then whats the harm. Music is music whether it has been done before or not. It should be songs people like rather than genres?

Jase

Spot on, dude...

cAPS_lOCK
02-14-2006, 08:43 AM
Thanks for your honesty! :thumb: I never said it was original, nothing ever is, everything comes from a inspiration at some point, no bands in the chart are really that original, teeny boppers just think it is because they've never heard the band's influences before.

I personally don't understand the whole, you have to be original to make it, if people like it then whats the harm. Music is music whether it has been done before or not. It should be songs people like rather than genres?

Jase

Hm, yeah, well, but doing something someone else has already done better just feels a bit redundant. Granted, every band has something new to say, but if it isn't enough, I'd rather just listen to the influences. Unlike the teeny boppers, I don't care what is hip right now, I just want good music.

mr_coffeekiller
02-14-2006, 08:44 AM
That lawer sounds like the kinda guy you should keep beside you. Well done in finding him. He's far more important than interest from EMI. There are plenty of labels but it's the devoted individuals that count... and that guy sounds like one of them. Best of luck in the future :thumb:

Urban Rhythm
02-14-2006, 08:45 AM
Hm, yeah, well, but doing something someone else has already done better just feels a bit redundant. Granted, every band has something new to say, but if it isn't enough, I'd rather just listen to the influences. Unlike the teeny boppers, I don't care what is hip right now, I just want good music.

I totally get what you're saying, I feel the same way sometimes! But nothing is ever original, it may be original at the time in some ways. But if everyone just wanted to listen to influences rather than what is out now then the music industry would flop?

Jase

cAPS_lOCK
02-14-2006, 08:54 AM
I totally get what you're saying, I feel the same way sometimes! But nothing is ever original, it may be original at the time in some ways. But if everyone just wanted to listen to influences rather than what is out now then the music industry would flop?

Jase

Nope, but you could combine your influences in new and exciting ways. That's the way all music are created. However, if you sound too similar to other, better artists, at least I won't bother to listen more than once.

Urban Rhythm
02-14-2006, 09:01 AM
Nope, but you could combine your influences in new and exciting ways. That's the way all music are created. However, if you sound too similar to other, better artists, at least I won't bother to listen more than once.

Mate if it was that easy why do you think genres and era's of music keep coming back? If it was so easy to create new amazing sounds that no-one has ever heard then maybe the charts would be more interesting ;)

Jase

cAPS_lOCK
02-14-2006, 09:23 AM
It's not hard to create original music. But it's easier to just copy and paste. That's why the charts look like they do. If the songs are good, they are gonna sell anyway. Hell, even lousy songs can sell really well, it depends on so much more than the quality. But that's another discussion.

Genres keep coming back, and I see no fault in that, as long as there are artists who know how to combine things in new ways. Take Bloc Party for example. Take a forgotten genre named postpunk from the late seventies, add a modern sound and loads of energy, and you have one of my favorite bands right know.

You see? It can be done, it's just that many musicians don't bother. Very many do, of course, but they're seldom seen on the charts. That's probably the music industry's fault, because they rather place their money in something reliable and well-tried. That's just speculation, however.

Urban Rhythm
02-14-2006, 09:43 AM
I dont want to seem I disagree with you Im just trying to display both sides of the story. We write music the way we do not because of how someone else does it. I respect your views too.

EMI just rang again we have studio time with them on the 16th & 17th of March, just waiting for an email confirmation :thumb:

Jase

kilian
02-14-2006, 09:55 AM
Great to hear once again :thumb:

I think you can still be different then other bands around. For example: there is this local band (who made it pretty big last year) that plays patchanka or something like that. It's a mix between reggae, ska, punk and some latin influences.

EDIT:
Like in my band, we all listen to different music, but we play pop rock. Why? Don't know. That's what we make and we also seem to like it. I hate to say it: but we still think that we're a band that is not the 'standard' band around. And that said: it doesn't say that we're good or better then the rest, just a bit different.

Bands that also differ from the rest: RHCP, The Fall of Troy, Muse etc. They also have their influences, but still add something to it that makes them different from the rest.

neal_672
02-14-2006, 09:55 AM
Haha that'd be a dream come true for me, make sure you do everything sensibly and best of luck, i sincerely hope you make it, when you're headlining festivals i expect guestlist/VIP treatment!

:thumb: Best of luck though really.

cAPS_lOCK
02-14-2006, 10:02 AM
Well, I'm not bashing you or your band, nor trying to sound elitist in any way. I'm just expressing my views. :)

If I write something, present it to one of my bands, and they say "dude, it sounds exactly like this other song" I don't say "who cares? let's go ahead", I say "ok, let's change it a bit then". When I write a song, I always give people a reason to listen to just that specific song, and not any other song you could jump in time to just as well.

Oh well.

Urban Rhythm
02-14-2006, 10:06 AM
Haha that'd be a dream come true for me, make sure you do everything sensibly and best of luck, i sincerely hope you make it, when you're headlining festivals i expect guestlist/VIP treatment!

:thumb: Best of luck though really.

Haha well ya never know I suppose! Thanks for the wishes! :thumb:

Jase

cAPS_lOCK
02-14-2006, 10:07 AM
Great to hear once again :thumb:

I think you can still be different then other bands around. For example: there is this local band (who made it pretty big last year) that plays patchanka or something like that. It's a mix between reggae, ska, punk and some latin influences.

EDIT:
Like in my band, we all listen to different music, but we play pop rock. Why? Don't know. That's what we make and we also seem to like it. I hate to say it: but we still think that we're a band that is not the 'standard' band around. And that said: it doesn't say that we're good or better then the rest, just a bit different.

Bands that also differ from the rest: RHCP, The Fall of Troy, Muse etc. They also have their influences, but still add something to it that makes them different from the rest.

I agree with you completely. Your band has a myspace, right? Care giving the link?

kilian
02-14-2006, 10:07 AM
http://www.myspace.com/4for1

:)

cAPS_lOCK
02-14-2006, 10:16 AM
Your singer has a powerful voice, hold on to her. I totally adore when she does a Alanis Morissette/Dolores O'Riordan and briefly slides up into falsetto. Awesome.

kilian
02-14-2006, 10:20 AM
Thanks :D

The instruments still need some work, so does the bandmix. But it's our 'own demo' so we need to work on that. And we also figured out that this band is 4for1 and we can't change the line up no matter what. We all bring in something and that all makes it 4for1.. That's how we feel it is. In the other band I'm in, I feel like I can change the drummer/keyplayer and make it even better. Here? No.

Can you say when she does a Alanis Morissette/Dolores O'Riordan and briefly slides up into falsetto? Which song and at which time?

:smoke:

(Jase.. let us say that we just bump your thread for further congrats and not spamming it :p)

Urban Rhythm
02-14-2006, 10:30 AM
(Jase.. let us say that we just bump your thread for further congrats and not spamming it :p)

Haha yeah lets say that! ;) You're too kind! :thumb:

cAPS_lOCK
02-14-2006, 10:33 AM
Ah, we're bumping his thread for him, he should be grateful. :smoke:


In Never Come, at the following times: 0:36 (best), 0:59, 2:07 (same as 0:36). She's got a quite low voice normally, so the contrast when she slides up into falsetto is just awesome. Tell her to utilize that! Listen to some Cranberries ("Zombie" is extreme, there she does it almost all the time) and Alanis Morrissette for inspiration. It could be really, really cool.

Jody LeCompte
02-14-2006, 10:36 AM
Roee is such a nerd, with his bass and funk.

Good luck mate :thumb: What kind of music do ya'll play

Urban Rhythm
02-14-2006, 11:05 AM
Roee is such a nerd, with his bass and funk.

Good luck mate :thumb: What kind of music do ya'll play

Thank you! We're an Indie/Brit-Pop band. I've always been in more groove orientated bands, funk, reggae mainly. So its kind of Ironic to get further than any of my previous bands with this one. I'll have a few side projects in september aswell though, bit more teaching too will be cool. :thumb:

Jase

kilian
02-14-2006, 11:52 AM
Ah, we're bumping his thread for him, he should be grateful. :smoke:


In Never Come, at the following times: 0:36 (best), 0:59, 2:07 (same as 0:36). She's got a quite low voice normally, so the contrast when she slides up into falsetto is just awesome. Tell her to utilize that! Listen to some Cranberries ("Zombie" is extreme, there she does it almost all the time) and Alanis Morrissette for inspiration. It could be really, really cool.
He already is :naughty:

And thanks! We have to kick her arse sometimes though to sing well enough. But she does rock, that's for sure. I will speak with her about these things and see if she wants to do that some more. I bet she does, we were thinking what was so great about the voice in Never Come :lol:

cAPS_lOCK
02-14-2006, 02:13 PM
He already is :naughty:

And thanks! We have to kick her arse sometimes though to sing well enough. But she does rock, that's for sure. I will speak with her about these things and see if she wants to do that some more. I bet she does, we were thinking what was so great about the voice in Never Come :lol:

Tell her to get a song coach (is that what it's called?). It'll help loads. She isn't always spot on with the intonation and stuff, but she's sure got potential. She's got a very "full" voice, if you catch my drift.

Tell her an anonymous internet geek says hi and wishes good luck. :smoke: Now I'm off to bed.

kilian
02-14-2006, 02:14 PM
^^She won't listen to get a teacher :lol:

We've told her numerous times before.. It's such a shame, I know. But it's her decision.

cAPS_lOCK
02-14-2006, 02:29 PM
That's a shame! She's wasting her talent. Very few can go all the way without the help of a teacher. Tell her to change her mind!

Though exceptions exist; Daniel Gildenlöw of Pain of Salvation springs to mind. He's my favorite rock singer by far, incredible control and register, and he has never taken a single lesson... except one, after which he struggled for weeks to unlearn what he had learnt that time, because he thought it crippled his style of singing. :)

Ok, that was a COMPLETELY irrelevant sidenote. Sorry. I really need some sleep.

jollygiantchris
02-14-2006, 04:43 PM
It wasnt EMI that found us it was a music Lawyer who represents Razorlight, Bloc Party, Maximo Park, Artic Monkeys amongst loads of others that did. He found all of those bands at the same stage we're at now, he basically wants to represent us as our lawyer so he wants to work on getting us signed, so then him being our Lawyer is what he gets out of it. EMI were the first he got in contact with and they've been listening to our MySpace.

Jase
congratulations! but when you get a contract be sure to hire another lawyer to make sure that lawyer isnt going to **** you over

roee_co
02-14-2006, 04:47 PM
Roee is such a nerd, with his bass and funk.

Good luck mate :thumb: What kind of music do ya'll play
me a nerd? well maybe a little bit :p

kilian
02-14-2006, 04:56 PM
That's a shame! She's wasting her talent. Very few can go all the way without the help of a teacher. Tell her to change her mind!

Though exceptions exist; Daniel Gildenlöw of Pain of Salvation springs to mind. He's my favorite rock singer by far, incredible control and register, and he has never taken a single lesson... except one, after which he struggled for weeks to unlearn what he had learnt that time, because he thought it crippled his style of singing. :)

Ok, that was a COMPLETELY irrelevant sidenote. Sorry. I really need some sleep.
I talked to her tonight and she said that she had been secretly seeking for a teacher, but hasn't found one yet. :)

I'm going to push her this time even harder.

SLKBassist
02-14-2006, 05:51 PM
Sweet! Just make sure, you get someone who knows their stuff to look over everyting, so you don't end up getting screwed later on.