Diminished

[-The Frank]

Could anyone please explain to me what having a note diminished means? Also what it does to the note and/or scale?


thanks a ton:thumb:

[fingerstyle]

In most contexts, a diminished note means that it has been flattened a semitone.

[Sardon]

If it helps the arpeggio to the diminished chord is

G-----------
D---------3-
A-----2-5---
E-1-4-------

[fingerstyle]

If you take a look at that arpeggio pattern, you'll notice that, compared to amjor arpeggio, the third is flattened (like a minor), but the fifth is also flattend.

So instead of the major triad formula 1-3-5, it's 'diminished' to 1-b3-b5.

[Sardon]

If you take a look at that arpeggio pattern, you'll notice that, compared to amjor arpeggio, the third is flattened (like a minor), but the fifth is also flattend.

So instead of the major triad formula 1-3-5, it's 'diminished' to 1-b3-b5.

I like to think of it as a superminor. yeh. I'll outpro anyone.

[fingerstyle]

I say the diminished 7th chord is the superminor.. it has a double-flat 7 in it... double-flat!

[Sardon]

I say the diminished 7th chord is the superminor.. it has a double-flat 7 in it... double-flat!

or is it a superduperminor

[fingerstyle]

or is it a superduperminor

^point made... superduper minor it is.

poor thread starter. hope we answered his question.

Diminished = Flattened

:thumb:

[maco]

but its only called diminished for 1 half step on perfect intervals (like 4 and 5) not on major intervals (like 3rd)...which is annoying cuz i can never remember which are perfect and which are major

[-The Frank]

but its only called diminished on perfect intervals (like 4 and 5) not on major intervals (like 3rd)...which is annoying cuz i can never remember which are perfect and which are major

Mind explaining what intervals are?

thanks

[TheBassStylee]

an interval is one note to a different note.. very simple

-----5-6-----


-----2-5-----

kinda like that.. just spacing between two notes

> mike

[Spazzout22]

In technical terms, you have intervals of Major, minor, dimished, augmented, and perfect.

A1 = m2
M2 = d3
A2 = m3
M3 = d4
A3 = P4
A4 = d5
P5 = d6
A5 = m6
M6 = d7
A6 = m7
M7 = d8(1)
A7 = P8(1)

If that helps at all, I hope. Also proves that I do know kinda what i'm talking about

As other people explained Diminshed arpeggios are 4 notes in m3 increments. Half dimished are the first 3 notes in m3 intervals and the final in a M3. A dimished scale alternates half steps and whole steps.

[Iai]

Augmented 3rd = diminshed 4th. (because 4ths are perffect there is no major or minor)
That's wrong, actually. An augmented third is 5 semitones - the same as a perfect fourth.

[maco]

That's wrong, actually. An augmented third is 5 semitones - the same as a perfect fourth.
perhaps he meant diminished 5th is the same as an augmented 4th because it's a tritone

[Iai]

Possibly.

[Spazzout22]

No, you were right. Sorry, I was really rushed and wanting to explain further, however I ran out of time and threw some answer down. I'll fix it.

[darrell]

A1 = m2
M2 = d3
A2 = m3
M3 = d4
A3 = P4
A4 = d5
P5 = d6
A5 = m6
M6 = d7
A6 = m7
M7 = d8(1)
A7 = P8(1)



You have to remember that there is a difference between these intervals, even though they sound the same. For instance, C to an F# is a Augmented 4th. This will usually resolve outward to a 6th, if I'm not mistaken. If you take C and Gb (F#'s enharmonic equivalent), this interval is a diminished 5th. This will usually resolve inward to a 3rd.

Also, if you were to say C to Gb is an Augmented 4th, you'd be incorrect. You start by figuring the distance between the two notes. C to any G is some sort of 5th. Then you find out what kind of fifth it is... being that the G is flat and you know C to G is a Perfect 5th, you come to find that this interval is diminished.

I'm sure you knew this, Spazz, but I'm just clearing it up for those who read what you posted and assume that a major third and diminished 4th are the same thing... they are not. A C major triad is made up of C, E, and G.. not C, Fb, and G...

Good luck to you all and remember... Theory is your friend. :thumb:

- Darrell

Edit: I just realized this thread is a week old. I never look at dates... It was on the first page though. Sorry to those who hate "old" threads being brought back up. (...*cough* Sade *cough*...)

[Spazzout22]

However, many a composer would often write a note's enharmonic equivilant simply to avoid putting flat, natural, flat, natural so they would (instead of Bb, B) they would write (Bb, Cb). Just something to be aware of. However with Bach's partwriting ya, you're right.

[darrell]

However, many a composer would often write a note's enharmonic equivilant simply to avoid putting flat, natural, flat, natural so they would (instead of Bb, B) they would write (Bb, Cb). Just something to be aware of. However with Bach's partwriting ya, you're right.

Yeah, I gotcha. But in theory, they're really two different notes. :)