(all take a look) Whats More Important?

[Naveed Afzal]

Im thinking of making a poll in all the instrument forums... but for now let me ask you all...

Whats more important... The notes you play (Considering they are the right ones... in whatever sense of the word 'right' is good for you)

Or the rhythm?

Lastnight a friend of mine came over, (he's a monster guitarist, and ive been doing sess work for him) we got the talking, we drank some highlifes... and got to playing and talking. So i picked his brain because he plays the most complete solos... Ive ever heard better then, Frusciante, or Vai, or Vaugh, or Jaco, Or Stanley, Victor Marcus... or anyone... and im not saying he's better then any of them, because i dont think he is... but when he solos its like a conversation... or a query that gets an answer, it comes to an end that completes it.

so enough about his playing... he tells me... he can play every note of the major scale, in order of degrees 1,2,3,4,5,6,7... and do it in a rhythmic fashion, over changes and it will sound compelete... its all about the rhythm atleast to him. So now im looking at myself like maybe ive been doing it all wrong, ive been so concearned with playing the right notes, drilling riffs, and steps... and all this ****, i never stopped to listen to just the rhythm...

i dont know... i was watching TV, and this post came to me... so i posted it... if it makes sense to you reply and answer the poll if not... then ohwell...

[Omega Red]

Im thinking of making a poll in all the instrument forums... but for now let me ask you all...

Whats more important... The notes you play (Considering they are the right ones... in whatever sense of the word 'right' is good for you)

Or the rhythm?

Lastnight a friend of mine came over, (he's a monster guitarist, and ive been doing sess work for him) we got the talking, we drank some highlifes... and got to playing and talking. So i picked his brain because he plays the most complete solos... Ive ever heard better then, Frusciante, or Vai, or Vaugh, or Jaco, Or Stanley, Victor Marcus... or anyone... and im not saying he's better then any of them, because i dont think he is... but when he solos its like a conversation... or a query that gets an answer, it comes to an end that completes it.

so enough about his playing... he tells me... he can play every note of the major scale, in order of degrees 1,2,3,4,5,6,7... and do it in a rhythmic fashion, over changes and it will sound compelete... its all about the rhythm atleast to him. So now im looking at myself like maybe ive been doing it all wrong, ive been so concearned with playing the right notes, drilling riffs, and steps... and all this ****, i never stopped to listen to just the rhythm...

i dont know... i was watching TV, and this post came to me... so i posted it... if it makes sense to you reply and answer the poll if not... then ohwell...
i think the timing is the most important

[Naveed Afzal]

i think the timing is the most important

holy ****... i just posted it... and i was doing the poll i come out of the screen... hit submit and u are posting alreayd...W DF!!

wouldnt timing be 'rhythm' if u say no... then lets consider it is.

[Omega Red]

holy ****... i just posted it... and i was doing the poll i come out of the screen... hit submit and u are posting alreayd...W DF!!

wouldnt timing be 'rhythm' if u say no... then lets consider it is.
i think timing is rhythm, because the rhythmic value is the timing on each note

[incubass]

i think its the rhythm. its more about what you don't play then what you do play.

[Guinpen]

i'm going to say the right notes. because the 'right note' would be the right tone at that very moment. i don't care how rhythmically someone is playing, if they're playing horrendous notes in a perfect syncopated rhythm it's going to sound like ****. at least with the notes the harmony will be there

[katana_manatee]

Rhythm for me is very important, a "wrong" can sound good sometimes, and a bad note played with confidence isn't a bad note, just a note. Although the Harmony is very important too.

[Spazzout22]

If you play the "right" note on the wrong rhythm, it's still a wrong note. Mary had a little lamb would be slightly recognizable even if you were playing the right rhythms monotone. However, no one would guess if you played the wrong rhythms.

Just my feeling.

[Guinpen]

If you play the "right" note on the wrong rhythm, it's still a wrong note. Mary had a little lamb would be slightly recognizable even if you were playing the right rhythms monotone. However, no one would guess if you played the wrong rhythms.

Just my feeling.

mary had a little lamb would be very recognizable if you were off on the rhythm, but played the notes in the song. otherwise, it's just a rhythm, and there are probably thousands of songs with that rhythm contained in it somewhere

[Guinpen]

Rhythm for me is very important, a "wrong" can sound good sometimes, and a bad note played with confidence isn't a bad note, just a note. Although the Harmony is very important too.

a bad note isn't about how you come off playing it, a bad note is about harmony.

edit: also, a 'wrong' note that sounds good, is not a wrong note

[Munky_Jam]

I;m definitely going to say rythm, i've played nights where the notes were not even in key but they bounced right andswung perfectly so everyone still thought it sounded great. However put those hands together my friend.

[katana_manatee]

a bad note isn't about how you come off playing it, a bad note is about harmony.

edit: also, a 'wrong' note that sounds good, is not a wrong note

I'm talking notes which are not diatonic stuck in there such as chromatics and so on. Just live you would prefer someone playing a solo that is rhythmically strong with a few mistakes note wise here and there than a person playing the right notes badly.

[Wintermute]

You can make music from entirely atonal sounds, but without rhythm it's just noise.

[Guinpen]

I'm talking notes which are not diatonic stuck in there such as chromatics and so on. Just live you would prefer someone playing a solo that is rhythmically strong with a few mistakes note wise here and there than a person playing the right notes badly.

it's a solo. generally it's a good thing to expand upon or break away from rhythmic constraints- a rhyhtmic solo is going to be boring enough as it is, much less if they're hitting all the bad notes.

also, playing out of rhythm isn't playing the notes badly. it's playing htem out of rhythm.

[roee_co]

a bad note isn't about how you come off playing it, a bad note is about harmony.

edit: also, a 'wrong' note that sounds good, is not a wrong note

yeah but what's good?
good to you can be bad for someone else and vice versa

[Naveed Afzal]

im glad to see this... it really lets me know something about myself...

as good, or as bad as I am... i can be alot better once i shift my focus...

well... do we all agree theres no such thing as a 'wrong' note?

edit: sometimes i feel like people look at wooten and jaco and see how many notes they play and thing thats what its about...

then you have someone like MM thats lumped in with them, and i think he does alot with a little, i dont he plays nearly as much as VW and Jaco... which is funny, because i think is solo stuff is alot mroe tastefull... especially when it comes to wooten...

[roee_co]

im glad to see this... it really lets me know something about myself...

as good, or as bad as I am... i can be alot better once i shift my focus...

well... do we all agree theres no such thing as a 'wrong' note?

edit: sometimes i feel like people look at wooten and jaco and see how many notes they play and thing thats what its about...

then you have someone like MM thats lumped in with them, and i think he does alot with a little, i dont he plays nearly as much as VW and Jaco... which is funny, because i think is solo stuff is alot mroe tastefull... especially when it comes to wooten...

there is a thing as "wrong" note. but it depends on the listener(or the creator) to decide.

i don't think its one sided in this discussion. some people as you said based their solos on rhythm(like MM) more than on notes(jaco). some people are in the middle of them(wooten). but its because of their taste and the music that they play. the choose to play that becuase they like it more. so its up to you to decide which you like. or even better, don't decide anything and just flow.

[Naveed Afzal]

there is a thing as "wrong" note. but it depends on the listener to decide.

i don't think its one sided in this discussion. some people as you said based their solos on rhythm(like MM) more than on notes(jaco). some people are in the middle of them(wooten). but its because of their taste and the music that they play. the choose to play that becuase they like it more. so its up to you to decide which you like. or even better, don't decide anything and just flow.


i dont know... if tis really up to the listener to decide... and id also have to say Wooten is mroe note based, while Jacos more rhythmic, but thats neither here nor there...

what really intrests me is the whole 'let the listener decide thing' im on the fence about that...

[e p]

they both have their place, but if i had to choose--rhythm

[roee_co]

i dont know... if tis really up to the listener to decide... and id also have to say Wooten is mroe note based, while Jacos more rhythmic, but thats neither here nor there...

what really intrests me is the whole 'let the listener decide thing' im on the fence about that...
before you replyed i edited "or the creator"

wooten to me is more rhythmatic than jaco. but again proves my point its all opnion.

[Guinpen]

I'm talking notes which are not diatonic stuck in there such as chromatics and so on. Just live you would prefer someone playing a solo that is rhythmically strong with a few mistakes note wise here and there than a person playing the right notes badly.

definitely not. for the most part, solos are just that: solos. they're supposed to break away from the rhythm. if you play an unrhythmic *solo* with all the right notes, it'll very well be awesome, but if you play the solo with the rhythm exactly and hit all bad notes out of key, it's going to sound shoddy most of the time

[Guinpen]

yeah but what's good?
good to you can be bad for someone else and vice versa

you can't put subjectivity into this- we're not talking about a specific note. we're speaking in general terms, in someone's personal view of the song's harmony

[roee_co]

you can't put subjectivity into this- we're not talking about a specific note. we're speaking in general terms, in someone's personal view of the song's harmony

why cant i?

wooten has been known for playing solos that involve no notes(mutes and such). to me it sounds incredible

[kevbud187]

rhythm > notes > style

Thats the heirarchy of musical importance for me. I don't maser the top until ive got the subsidiaries down.

[Guinpen]

why cant i?

wooten has been known for playing solos that involve no notes(mutes and such). to me it sounds incredible

i just told you why. also, what are some wooten solos with no notes? i've seen lots of uber percussive ones but not ones really lacking any notes. the bassday one was pretty damn percussive

[Omega Red]

rhythm > notes > style

Thats the heirarchy of musical importance for me. I don't maser the top until ive got the subsidiaries down.
rhythm + notes = style

[kevbud187]

this is also true

[Alma]

Rhythm.

[Spazzout22]

rhythm + notes + Articluation = style


Fixed

[omgwtfboogie]

You can do so much more with rhythms, and considering the bass is generally used as a rhythmic instrument, I'm going for it..

[Alma]

Think about it.

If you're playing in a big band or something, and you all have a rhythmic part that is the same (say that its syncopated) and you're not playing the correct rhythms with the rest of the band. That would really sound bad, people would realise it's you however, if you made a few bung notes now and then whilst most/all of the band is playing then it won't matter as much and it would be harder for the audience to hear the mistake.

[Naveed Afzal]

Think about it.

If you're playing in a big band or something, and you all have a rhythmic part that is the same (say that its syncopated) and you're not playing the correct rhythms with the rest of the band. That would really sound bad, people would realise it's you however, if you made a few bung notes now and then whilst most/all of the band is playing then it won't matter as much and it would be harder for the audience to hear the mistake.


im not talking about that at all

[Shinobi_sniper]

people seem to notice alot more when you get out of time then if you miss a note

[Akira]

Rhythm. Without rhythem, music is nothing. There aren't "bad" notes. Some notes are going to sound less pleasing, but "bad" notes played confidently with rhythm will sound better than arhythmic, unconfident tonal perfect solos.

[Akira]

Think about it.

If you're playing in a big band or something, and you all have a rhythmic part that is the same (say that its syncopated) and you're not playing the correct rhythms with the rest of the band. That would really sound bad, people would realise it's you however, if you made a few bung notes now and then whilst most/all of the band is playing then it won't matter as much and it would be harder for the audience to hear the mistake.
I am pretty sure Naveed is talking about soloing, not playing wth a group.

[PainKiller8191]

well lets think about it this way....

he's not asking if you could only have one which would you have, just which is more important in your opinion....

i find the notes are more important, but it depends,
I'f I'm soloing over a solid rhythm section (heres where the rhythm part comes in), I'd focus more on note choice

but if i was supporting a solo (with me in the rhythm section) the rhythm/timing matters much more

[Polyamarous]

Bollocks, I clicked right notes instead of rhythm.
Bass is primarily a ryhthm instrumemt, so I would say rhythm is more important, neither is unimportant though. In a way it could depend on what your playing, rythm may be more inportant in a jazz piece, whereas right notes would be more important in punk etc.

[Matthew2250]

Phrasing and articulation. Especially phrasing!

All the best solos are phrased like talking or singing in my humble opinion. SO I guess that falls under rhythm.

[PainKiller8191]

Bollocks, I clicked right notes instead of rhythm.
Bass is primarily a ryhthm instrumemt, so I would say rhythm is more important, neither is unimportant though. In a way it could depend on what your playing, rythm may be more inportant in a jazz piece, whereas right notes would be more important in punk etc.

I'd actually say it's the other way around

[Omega Red]

I'd actually say it's the other way around
you can theorize your way out of a wrong note, but not a rhythm

[Soulfly666]

It's all about the rhythm.:cool:

[sixner]

i dunno... im kind of a cross of the both.. i tend to not worry so much about the notes, just... what sounds 'good' to me, and just.. the feel of the song.. but i consider myself more melodic than rythemic most of the time....
i dunno.. maybe im not making sense, i just took 3 different medications for this damn illness
-sixner

[sheephead]

They're both equally as big a part of music to me - though it may not be reflected in my songs...

[Naveed Afzal]

Rhythm by a Landslide... awesome.

[Left Shoe]

rythm, notes will come with time, no use practicing a passage with right notes and wrong rythms. its much harder to re learn rythms than notes

[fingerstyle]

The idea that rhythm has most importance in the 'completness' of a tune is absolute rubbish.

You could play a C Major scale, tonic to tonic (root to root) and it would always sound complete, no matter what rhythmic value you placed on each note.

Try it out. Take any old scale, in any old key, and play a short simple phrase, starting on the 3rd degree and ending on the 7th. Now repeat the phrase you just played, exactly, but end it on the root of the scale. What you get is a kind of 'question and answer'. The first phrase feel incomplete, but the second provides resolution.

The first half of our melody, the first phrase, is almost identical to the second, but it concludes on an instable degree of the scale: the 7th note, otherwise called the leading note for good reasons, which always wants to resolve to the root. In the second phrase, we end on the most conclusive, stable and strongest note of the scale, the root (tonic).

[Naveed Afzal]

The idea that rhythm has most importance in the 'completness' of a tune is absolute rubbish.

You could play a C Major scale, tonic to tonic (root to root) and it would always sound complete, no matter what rhythmic value you placed on each note.

Try it out. Take any old scale, in any old key, and play a short simple phrase, starting on the 3rd degree and ending on the 7th. Now repeat the phrase you just played, exactly, but end it on the root of the scale. What you get is a kind of 'question and answer'. The first phrase feel incomplete, but the second provides resolution.

The first half of our melody, the first phrase, is almost identical to the second, but it concludes on an instable degree of the scale: the 7th note, otherwise called the leading note for good reasons, which always wants to resolve to the root. In the second phrase, we end on the most conclusive, stable and strongest note of the scale, the root (tonic).



no1 is even talking about that, you wrote all that for no reason.

[fingerstyle]

Yes they are. I'm making the point that you can play any damn rhythm and it won't improve the tones you are choosing.

Repeatedly play a semitone above the root of a chord, funk up the rhythm all you want, its still going to sound bad.

Solo with the most crazy rhythms you want, but it'll never sound complete if you don't choose your notes carefully.

[Sade]

I say the "wrong" note is the most significant note for me. I mean that seriously. Dissonance=my best friend.

[kevbud187]

The idea that rhythm has most importance in the 'completness' of a tune is absolute rubbish.

You could play a C Major scale, tonic to tonic (root to root) and it would always sound complete, no matter what rhythmic value you placed on each note.

Try it out. Take any old scale, in any old key, and play a short simple phrase, starting on the 3rd degree and ending on the 7th. Now repeat the phrase you just played, exactly, but end it on the root of the scale. What you get is a kind of 'question and answer'. The first phrase feel incomplete, but the second provides resolution.

The first half of our melody, the first phrase, is almost identical to the second, but it concludes on an instable degree of the scale: the 7th note, otherwise called the leading note for good reasons, which always wants to resolve to the root. In the second phrase, we end on the most conclusive, stable and strongest note of the scale, the root (tonic).

theory buff pwns all the rythm lovers. interesting. I should subscribe to this. I wanna see how it turns out. To my quoted poster:

Your post-classical/Romantic ideals of Bach type anti-dissonance is shockingly cliche of a musictheory.net browser. No offence, and I see what you are saying, but I will repectfully have to disagree with you. I'm not saying that theory is poop and should be ignored, but you can resolve to fourths and sevenths and fifths in my book. It actually leaves a "omg when are they gonna hit that last chord and how epic is that **** gunna be." kind of feel to the listener, and leves them to wonder when it never does come. Do you see my point? I just think that some rules can be broken and still make great music and basing your vote on right notes purely because of these rules is a bit uninformed.

[kevbud187]

I say the "wrong" note is the most significant note for me. I mean that seriously. Dissonance=my best friend.

see this is what I'm tlaking about. I love you.

[Naveed Afzal]

Yes they are. I'm making the point that you can play any damn rhythm and it won't improve the tones you are choosing.

Repeatedly play a semitone above the root of a chord, funk up the rhythm all you want, its still going to sound bad.

Solo with the most crazy rhythms you want, but it'll never sound complete if you don't choose your notes carefully.

Since when? no1s making that statement... re-read the thread the words right and wrong are in quotation marks, because there is no such thing as a wrong or right note...

you are guy #2 who cant read, so before guy #1 who couldnt read said something no1 was talking about thta, and even still no1 but you and guy #1 are talking about this. Stop trying to go against the gray for no reason...

And a Semitone Above the Root would be a b2, there are keys with b2.

[Naveed Afzal]

Dissonance is the eye of the beholder...

Dissoance was anything that wasnt a Root and Octave at one point...

[Sade]

Dissonance is the eye of the beholder...

Dissoance was anything that wasnt a Root and Octave at one point...

Bahaha, how true that is.

Do you still have that picture of you looking like a Muslim? That picture was sweet.

[fingerstyle]

theory buff pwns all the rythm lovers. interesting. I should subscribe to this. I wanna see how it turns out. To my quoted poster:

Your post-classical/Romantic ideals of Bach type anti-dissonance is shockingly cliche of a musictheory.net browser. No offence, and I see what you are saying, but I will repectfully have to disagree with you. I'm not saying that theory is poop and should be ignored, but you can resolve to fourths and sevenths and fifths in my book. It actually leaves a "omg when are they gonna hit that last chord and how epic is that **** gunna be." kind of feel to the listener, and leves them to wonder when it never does come. Do you see my point? I just think that some rules can be broken and still make great music and basing your vote on right notes purely because of these rules is a bit uninformed.

Don't worry... I have a thing for modern composers, the compositional cornertstone of whom IS dissonence and chromaticism. I love listening to it, more so than 'post classical/Romantic' type stuff.

But, if you take a listen to modern compositions, you'll also hear that rhythm takes a back seat to harmony and melody. The important thing is that the composer is conveying his or her emotions primarily through their choices in melody and harmony. Not rhythm.

[Naveed Afzal]

Bahaha, how true that is.

Do you still have that picture of you looking like a Muslim? That picture was sweet.

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[fingerstyle]

^ You spammed your own thread.


When I think about it about more, the question 'What's more important, rhythm or the right notes?' is somewhat invalid. Well, yes is technically a valid question, but seemingly not in the context. IMO.

We're bass playersl when we're supporting a band, soloist, whatever, we should automatically be playing with good rhythm. Rhythm, beat and meter are fundamental necessites in popular/rock/jazz for the most part and rather than deciding 'Oh, should I play with good rhythm, or with good note choice?' it should be more like "Here's the rhythm I'm going to play, now it's my choice as to what notes I place on that rhythm'. If you're of the opinion that expressing yourself through RHYTHM alone is more effective and therefore important than creating music based upon rhythm, melody and harmony, then go and play drums. Or something.

But it's more likely that people here believe that rhythm AND harmony + melody are both important, at different levels, as opposed to just believing that you can play any note you want as longas it's in time, or whatever.

[Naveed Afzal]

if you would have read... the thread, you would know... WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT... how everyone but you and 1 other person understood.

[fingerstyle]

Oh, I get it.

'Music is from the heart man... It don't matter what finger you put on where, it all comes from your heart. People who read music, and know theory and all that are heartless. And taking lessons will ruin your natural talent. There is no such thing as a wrong note, because if it comes from your heart, baby, it can't be wrong.Yeah let's feel the music, man. From right here!'

[MasterofBass]

right rhtyhm is defintiely the best.... you can make yourself one of the craziest sequence of notes, but if you cant' do crap with it rhythmically, it will suck more than just playing one note with a good rhythm.

[Naveed Afzal]

Oh, I get it.

'Music is from the heart man... It don't matter what finger you put on where, it all comes from your heart. People who read music, and know theory and all that are heartless. And taking lessons will ruin your natural talent. There is no such thing as a wrong note, because if it comes from your heart, baby, it can't be wrong.Yeah let's feel the music, man. From right here!'

im really starting to think you are stupid... every post you make u quote me, but make refrence to nothing ive said.

I take lessons, i know a good bit of theory, im in a schools studying music... if i believe what you said i wouldnt be.

thing is you came in and changed the subject... you just dont understand what my initial post is saying.

[kevbud187]

right rhtyhm is defintiely the best.... you can make yourself one of the craziest sequence of notes, but if you cant' do crap with it rhythmically, it will suck more than just playing one note with a good rhythm.

lol i love how he/she doesn't pick up on previous posters sarcasm. I agree that rhytm is equal to notes, but that being said, I also think that even if you have the tightest bassline of all time and you ain't got groove in the rythm your not doing your job as a bassist.

I love discussions.

[fingerstyle]

im really starting to think you are stupid... every post you make u quote me, but make refrence to nothing ive said.

I take lessons, i know a good bit of theory, im in a schools studying music... if i believe what you said i wouldnt be.

thing is you came in and changed the subject... you just dont understand what my initial post is saying.

Well, there it is! (*Amadeus movie fans 'get it' and roll eyes*)

Hey, maybe I didn't understand what you were originally on about, but don't have a go at me for adding my own thoughts on the broader subject. It gives people something to think about and consider.

[SixnStones]

both. think about it. without either its gonna suck ***

[PaulR]

both. think about it. without either its gonna suck ***
Yeah, but can you get away with just having one?

I'm voting for rhythm, I think most of the reasons have already been summed up.

[Naveed Afzal]

Well, there it is! (*Amadeus movie fans 'get it' and roll eyes*)

Hey, maybe I didn't understand what you were originally on about, but don't have a go at me for adding my own thoughts on the broader subject. It gives people something to think about and consider.

I dont respond well to sarcasm... thats why.


both. think about it. without either its gonna suck ***

but thats not the question... why do we live in an age with the perverbial third variable...you ask a question with a certian #number of answers and you always get the added answer... "Both or Neither or How about "1-2-7-10 and 15 all mixed together". this isnt the place.. to rant but im going to anways... just a little one... its 8:47am.. im grumpy....

why cant we answer questions, why in this day and age do we always have to go outside the box, is it to look cool? because it really makes people look like asses when they doit. Why when you are filling out aquestionaire, must you fill out everry race/nationality on the damn paper, because your black grandfather ****ed a hawaian woman, and then your father ****ed a German woman, whose mother was hispanic and day was Japanese.... Egad...

AHHHHHHH

ok iM done

[Urban Rhythm]

Neither I don't think. How is music possible without notes or rhythm? Its the combination of notes and rhythm that make it, you could have the nicest set of notes (say Donna Lee) but if you played them all quarter notes all the way through it'd be nothing, and vice versa if you had the rhythm of say Donna Lee but play it all on the same note it'd mean nothing.

Jase

EDIT: I'm not trying to answer without being helpful, its just I couldn't answer that, so I'm stating why. :thumb:

[fingerstyle]

I dont respond well to sarcasm... thats why.




but thats not the question... why do we live in an age with the perverbial third variable...you ask a question with a certian #number of answers and you always get the added answer... "Both or Neither or How about "1-2-7-10 and 15 all mixed together". this isnt the place.. to rant but im going to anways... just a little one... its 8:47am.. im grumpy....

why cant we answer questions, why in this day and age do we always have to go outside the box, is it to look cool? because it really makes people look like asses when they doit. Why when you are filling out aquestionaire, must you fill out everry race/nationality on the damn paper, because your black grandfather ****ed a hawaian woman, and then your father ****ed a German woman, whose mother was hispanic and day was Japanese.... Egad...

AHHHHHHH

ok iM done


Dude, your question was flawed, that's why people are saying its neither or both.

It was based on the assumption that rhythm and tones where not linked together in music. It has nothing to do with them wanting to be different, it's just a simple fact that you cannot compare the two on equal grounds.

Howrver, as I pointed out earlier, since your MAKING us, I chose note choice for reasons I have already discussed. However, under normal circumstances I would not compare the two or place the importance of one over the other. And it appears that neither would many other people.

Without rhythm, melody and harmony doesnt move, and without melody and harmony, rhythm becomes meaningless.

[elbassio]

I think notes, when Im playing I want to hit the note that makes people go, "oooh, that sounds good". Then I work on the rhythm of it. In all fairness I don't think you cant have one over the other, but for the sake of argument Ill say the right note.

[mr_coffeekiller]

It hurts my head trying to decide...

[Omega Red]

Art Tatum
“There is no such thing as a wrong note.”

Miles once said a note only sounds wrong by what comes after

[TheBassStylee]

id have to say that the right notes are more important, because if you play wrong notes, it REALLY STANDS OUT over everything. rhythm is also important, but a non musician wont pick that out as much as a bad line with wrong notes.

/hasnt read the thread at all.. just incerting input

> mike

[SixnStones]

Art Tatum
“There is no such thing as a wrong note.”

Miles once said a note only sounds wrong by what comes after

one wrong note, sure. but if you had NO right notes then it would sound ****e. It's both, and to TS. It's a stupid arse question. Why the fcuk would you ever play without using any correct notes or any correct rhythm? Go for both, it's not lateral or outside the box, it's just sensible. Go explode
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[Naveed Afzal]

The question isnt flawed... A or B answer...

when you solo are you more concearned with the notes, or the rhythm... good God....

[mr_coffeekiller]

I dont think you should be more concerned by one or the other... When you're soloing it's a combination of the two. If I was stanley Clarke or Victor Wooten I would probably answer rythm, but if I was Billy Shehan or Jean Baudin I would probably say notes. Unfortunately I'm am none of the above... and my head still hurts...

[Matthew2250]

I said it once, and as I'm slightly intoxicated right now, I'll say it again, its all in the phrasing!

[bassistuvdoom731]

Its all about ryth, the same three notes can make a world of diffrence, and :wrong notes" can be made to sound right, for instance

A---5-------
E-----6-5---

consider the middle note the "wrong" one. Played at constant speed, or slowing down on the "wrong" note, the lick would sound more "wrong". However, if the "wrong" not is played very quickly, lamost as a pull off or slide into the next note, then it would sound just fine, or not be noticed at all.

Its about rhythm.

[fingerstyle]

Its all about ryth, the same three notes can make a world of diffrence, and :wrong notes" can be made to sound right, for instance

A---5-------
E-----6-5---

consider the middle note the "wrong" one. Played at constant speed, or slowing down on the "wrong" note, the lick would sound more "wrong". However, if the "wrong" not is played very quickly, lamost as a pull off or slide into the next note, then it would sound just fine, or not be noticed at all.

Its about rhythm.

That Bb is not even a 'wrong' note. It fits into many different scales and chords. It would be at home and not sound out of place in many different contexts.

D, Bb, A.

3rd, 1st and 7th of a Bb major scale.
5th,3rd,2nd of G minor melodic, G minor natural, and G minor harmonic.
A dorian.
4th, 2nd and 1st of A Phyrgian.
4th, 2nd and 1st of A Locrian.
6th 4th and 3rd of G Mixolydian.

many more that I can't be bothered putting in.

[bassistuvdoom731]

That Bb is not even a 'wrong' note. It fits into many different scales and chords. It would be at home and not sound out of place in many different contexts.

D, Bb, A.

3rd, 1st and 7th of a Bb major scale.
5th,3rd,2nd of G minor melodic, G minor natural, and G minor harmonic.
A dorian.
4th, 2nd and 1st of A Phyrgian.
4th, 2nd and 1st of A Locrian.
6th 4th and 3rd of G Mixolydian.

many more that I can't be bothered putting in.


It was a metaphorical sitation geez :rolleyes:

The Bb is wrong in alot of situations too, and i have no doubt in my mind that you know that. I just couldnt be bothered to make a specific example. Its a "what if". In the context of my example it was "wrong", in others sure it could be right. Im not saying its ALWAYS wrong, im just giving an example.:thumb:

[fingerstyle]

^That's cool. I'm glad you understood what I was getting at. And yes, it would be dissonent in a lot of contexts as well. That doesn't mean it's 'wrong' though; if you look up the thread theres abit of discussion about dissonence and chromaticism in music.

I think that, because both consonence and dissonence are accepted in modern music, we should think about 'wrong' notes as being nots that are not in 'character' with the overall piece of music.

For example, yes, you could play and combination of notes in a solo on a certain chord progression. Some will sound consonent, and some with be dissonent. But, if you were soloing in a pretty, slow, ballad about love and butterflys, in front of a senrior citizens club, your dissonent notes might sound abit 'untasteful'.

And perhaps you're soloing over a crazy bop piece with numerous chord changes and key changes. It wouldnt be in character of bop music to just play one perfectly tuneful sounding major scale-based solo that even a child could whistle to during the whole chord progression.

[bassistuvdoom731]

Yea, I dont really believe in wrong notes, thus the quotations. :p

Dissonance is always nice to create tension in music where melody is emphasized, and in genres like metal and some experimental music, dissonance is ussually focused on. I dont like to think of notes as "wrong".