doing crazy things to cymbals

[some jive turkey]

I have been thinking about getting some more cymbals just to modify and screw around with for the fun of it.

Has anybody ever done anything crazy to cymbals like re-hammer them or sandblast them, or drill holes..etc....?
If so, how did it turn out?

[Josiah]

I have a custom acid washed ride a chemist neighbor helped me with. Came out fantastic!

[some jive turkey]

cool!

I know a few people who might be able to do something like that for me.

What did it do to the sound of the cymbal?

make it less bright, mellow out the overtones?

[Tommy-r]

the only thing i've sone to a cymbal is tape a dime on it to make it sizzle.

[Heimir-iceland]

Just buy Ahead stick !:)

[Heimir-iceland]

sorry rong post :D:D

[Aaron]

i have a Mb20 15" bottom Hi-Hat that I turned in, rehammered and sand-blasted to make a china-type. It looses is tone for the "kang" when you sandblast.

[WarHammer]

I bent up my old Planet Z hihats, but they sounded horrible.

[iplaybass9340]

I'm hammering my old cracked B8 into a china. Probaly won't sound good though, I think it's to thick.

[Bluewolf]

Once I save enough for a new ride, I'm gonna take my old one (Xs20) and turn it into a suspended cymbal. I'm gonna drill tiny holes all over it and put some rivets in the holes.

[\m/-CHeV-\m/]

i once bought a 15€ stagg splash and drilled 2 holes, about 1,5" apart, and hit it so it cracked in between the holes (do this at the edge of the cup, just where the cup kinda stops end goes over into the actual cymbal) better than any mini china!!!

[Talos]

I'm hammering my old cracked B8 into a china. Probaly won't sound good though, I think it's to thick.

A cracked crash sound really good I think.
It makes it really trashy and kinda like a china, the one at my school is good but the crack has gotten to big and sounds awful as oppose to it sounding cool. The crack is now from the edge to bell, 8" but before it was about 3/4" and it was awesome

[Panopticon]

Drilled holes in my wuhan...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b379/enemytopublic/HPIM0490.jpg

it made it faster, trashier, and drier...and sexier

[ammo]

^^ Fan-****ing-tastic if I do say so myself! Looks nice id love to hear a sounclip of that bad boy in action.

And I have some huge plans for my hi hats, oh just wait....such plans :D *evil laugh*

[Chrysler]

Yes it did....

[Tim]

Oh yeah well ive once shot a Z custom with a disintegrating pistol and the ray ricochet off the cymbal and back at my face. :(. ok really though now...the only thing ive ever done was bend some really crappy hihats the other way to make mini chinas and they still sounded the same. :(

[santi3hg]

well...it may seem barbaric but my first kit was a pearl and i got those damn pearl cx cymabls with it. i broke the crash/ride and was just messing around and punched the cymbal. it completely inverted and sounds like a china! it was damn cool!

[poppinfresh]

i put my ridfe on my bonAr and play it. it makes me feel good.

[chewaz]

i wanna drill my B8 hats to make the botton look like a fusion, do you know where exactly must y put the holes and its diameter? if you got pics from an 14" fusion bottom it'll be great

[drummerty]

I put four 3/4" holes in my Saluda Mist 17" crash. It opened up the sound some as I felt it was too metallic sounding. I may drill some more holes in it turning it into some thing like an O-zone.

[Musashi]

If you do deicide to hammer.... Bronze has to be heated to be manipulated. I think 300degrees is the point it gets soft.

[Drum Monkey]

if you got pics from an 14" fusion bottom it'll be great
http://i1.tinypic.com/nl782g.jpg

-DM

[saars]

well...it may seem barbaric but my first kit was a pearl and i got those damn pearl cx cymabls with it. i broke the crash/ride and was just messing around and punched the cymbal. it completely inverted and sounds like a china! it was damn cool!


I did that to my cousin's friend's crappy generic hats that came with a pacific kit. haha it was funny, I was hitting it with the back end of a pool table stick. No clue why I was doing it though... But, it still sounded like crap. so yeah haha

[Double Bass Jim]

I don't suggest modifying any cymbal yourself. Adding a toliet chain ect ect.. Yea thats fine but doing drilling yourself and that I do not suggest.

Even if it's a cheap-o you never know when you may need a spare

[FullMoon]

i heard about this one guy who buried his ride in the dirt for a week and when he dug it up it sounded darker

[Double Bass Jim]

Burying cymbals isnt uncommon, i've heard of it.

[Musashi]

Burying a cymbal gives it kinda a false Patina. It is real.. But True patina takes time and putting it in the ground dose it overnight. Another thing about burying the cymbal..is that the patina it gives it is Very uneven.

[Chester]

i took my 16" crash that came with my cb drum set (meaning its crap) and put a hammer to the edge/middle to make it shaped more like a china.
Sounds pretty cool, really trashy

[Marky_Mark]

I tried hammering my stock cymbals and boy was that a good laugh. I took one hit at it and it completely inverted itself, turning a crappy cymbal into just flat out crap. I tried drilling it and for some reason, I got half way and then it didnt drill throught anymore.

[Zildjian]

I was playing around with a ZBT with a baaad keyhole...I cut the whole cymbal in halfand it sounded sweet

[AtomShip]

patina?

[chewaz]

http://i1.tinypic.com/nl782g.jpg

-DM

don't you have a bigger pic, you know to be able of cheking the holes and their possition, and what can i use to drill my hats??

[timehawk]

^^^

I drilled my old B8 hats like that. Tell the truth, I could barely hear a difference. I say save yourself the trouble.

[Josiah]

Burying a cymbal gives it kinda a false Patina. It is real.. But True patina takes time and putting it in the ground dose it overnight. Another thing about burying the cymbal..is that the patina it gives it is Very uneven.


First off. That's totally wrong.

Second off. That's totally wrong.


Burying cymbals is to cause the effect on aging the metal faster due to things in the ground, such as Lime.. common to use in "pre aging" a cymbal. This causes the metal to "open up" so to speak.

Secondingly, your comic use of the term patina is a joke, were you like.. trying to look smart? Oh well.

The point of burying a cymbal is not to creat a "greenish layer" or oxidize the copper, but as stated above.

If you want to create patina on a cymbal, just wipe Coke or some carbonic soda product on it.


Pssshhh... OWNED. It's called a dictionary son. Learn to use it.

[Drum Monkey]

don't you have a bigger pic, you know to be able of cheking the holes and their possition, and what can i use to drill my hats??
not mine, found it on www.google.ca (http://www.google.ca)

Try it some time!

-DM

[GhostNote]

Yeah, i didnt do it but the guy who sold me my 18" Vintage Avedis Zildjian ride, drilled it. it sounded to washy so i put a square of duct tape on the underside and now it sounds really nice and when you really slam it in a fast jazz/bop beat, it sounds like a 20" sabian vault artisian light ride.

-GN

EDIT: Oh, and i know a guy who buried his massively chipped (as in like, a huge chunk of metal taken out of the cymbals) Sabian AAX ride and crash in his backyard for 2 weeks. Also, i know a different guy who smothered his constantianople ride with tomato sauce.

[Panopticon]

the only sense a k constantinople does appeal to is taste...but now he's got it covered...nice...

[GhostNote]

the only sense a k constantinople does appeal to is taste...but now he's got it covered...nice...

hahaha, yeah constantianoples are tasty and pretty nice on the ears (some). flavour enhancement doesnt go astray though. he did it to make it sound darker.


-GN

[poppinfresh]

burying cymbals doesnt do anything, i know osme people that have done it but nothing happened soundwise, even after a year.

[Tim]

i know its not anything new or anything out of the ordinary but i want to stack some cymbals. Expiriment with different things. I want to stack an AA mini chinese and an AA splash. or a Wuhan china 12inch on a 14inch crash. Something differnt for change.

[chewaz]

i8 polished my B8 hats and they sound better than before :O

[Josiah]

burying cymbals doesnt do anything, i know osme people that have done it but nothing happened soundwise, even after a year.


It does, but there HAS to be a very high lime content in the soil. I've seen it done very well using the backyard method. When I saw it done though, they had mixed lime into the soil (in the area) prior to burying the cymbal.

[Musashi]

First off. That's totally wrong.

Second off. That's totally wrong.


Burying cymbals is to cause the effect on aging the metal faster due to things in the ground, such as Lime.. common to use in "pre aging" a cymbal. This causes the metal to "open up" so to speak.

Secondingly, your comic use of the term patina is a joke, were you like.. trying to look smart? Oh well.

The point of burying a cymbal is not to creat a "greenish layer" or oxidize the copper, but as stated above.

If you want to create patina on a cymbal, just wipe Coke or some carbonic soda product on it.


Pssshhh... OWNED. It's called a dictionary son. Learn to use it.

First off.....your Dumb
Second...your wrong!!
I have seen alot of Ignorant posts from you...But this one takes the medal.
When you Bury a cymbal....you are doing it to Create a Patina..wich is "A fine coating of oxide on the surface of a metal". Natural patination of metal is from elements over time creating a chemical reaction wich resluts in a Brown, (somtimes other colors from different elements) film on your Cymbals, Burying a cymbal makes it "age faster" ..But simply dosent sound like a Truly aged Cymbal...Putting your cymbal in a Cola product could possibly damage your cymbal..even know i have never done this...Cola is know as being Very acidic and would probably Clean your cymbals more than Oxidise them. When your cymbal are nice and Aged and have an even patina...The sound tends to Dry out a bit...Harsh overtones are gone and Stick definition seems to be increased. I dont understand how you could call this Opening up the Metal??? More like Drying out the metal. The point of burying a cymbal is to create a False sense of Age...and it Dose result in a patina...Usualy not very even .Go ahead and use lime and salt.Both very corrosive..Will probably Ruin your cymbals.

Its funny to watch somone Who has proven to be an arrogant prick once again try to prove sombody wrong when he dosent even have a clue what he is talkng about...You state your opinion as they are facts...Kinda like your fascist Hero in your avatar eh?. Wow...I remember reading a post where you Stated that you are" Bigger than 90% of the world". If so why do you argue with people on an internet forum...?? cause you are just a little person that cant do it in real life? Dose it make you feel good about youself?? And when you reply....I wont be reading it....Why waste my time on somebody as arrogant and ignorant as you.
And im Positive that enough people on this forum agree 100% with me...so save you time and dont even bother ... Take it like the big man you are!!!!

Uhhh Frickin Idiot!!!!
Oh yeah...Your owned buddy!!

Here is a list of Chemicals that are commonly used to create a Patina
Aluminum Sulfate
Ammonium Sulfide Sol
Bismuth Nitrate
Citric Acid, Anhydrous
Cobalt Nitrate
Cupric Nitrate
Cupric Sulfate
Ferric Chloride
Ferric Nitrate
Ferric Oxide, Red
Potash Sulfurated (liver of sulfur)
Potassium Dichromate
Potassium Ferricyanide
Potassium Permanganate
Potassium Persulfate
Potassium Sulfate
Silver Nitrate
Sodium Dichromate
Sodium Hydroxide
Sodium Thiosulfate
Titanium Dioxide

[Paradigm69]

i know its not anything new or anything out of the ordinary but i want to stack some cymbals. Expiriment with different things. I want to stack an AA mini chinese and an AA splash. or a Wuhan china 12inch on a 14inch crash. Something differnt for change.

I put an upside down 10" sabian b8 pro on top of[ or inside] a wuhan 12" china.
It kinda sounds like a maxx staxx Portnoy type.

..all for the low low price of anout 25$:p

I kinda like the sound for accents /
Either that or they get tossed.
I would not waste a stand on either these clunkers:thumb:

[some jive turkey]

Patina
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Statue of Liberty gets its green color from the patina formed on its copper surfacePatinas are chemical compounds formed on the surface of metals. There is a wide range of chemicals, both household and commercial, that can give a variety of results. They are often used by artists as surface embellishments either for color, texture, or both. One example of a patina is a green surface texture created by slow chemical alteration of copper, so as to produce a basic carbonate. It can form on pure copper objects as well as alloys which contain copper, such as bronze. Many patinas form naturally, by weathering.

Patinas are restricted to exposed surfaces and can flake off. One reason that bronze is so highly valued in statuary is that its patina protects it against further corrosion. This natural patina seldom shows a tendency to flake. Brass is also resistant to corrosion, but it would in the long run not be as attractive, as local pitting would show against a shiny background.

Figuratively, patina can refer to any fading, darkening or other signs of age, which are felt to be natural and/or unavoidable.

The chemical process by which a patina forms is called patination, and a work of art coated by a patina is said to be patinated.

[Aaron]

...
which chemistry site did you cut and paste from? i doubt your educated, although you do use words like "dose" and you do write some excellent fragmented sentances.

[_Austin_]

Dunno if anyone remeber for AGES ago, i did an experiment with soaking cymbals in cola.

Heres the link...

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280878

[wipe_my_button]

one time i got pissed and threw a cymbal at my dog and now everytime i hit it, it barks at me.