Lesson Suggestions

[Hunted By a Freak]

I don't claim to be qualified to teach or anything, but I have a lot of resources and know a lot of people that can answer anything I can't.

Suggest lessons I could post in the Sputnik Lesson site. Anything you're curious about, are working on, don't understand, etc. I'm willing to do anything except gear stuff, which doesn't really interest me.

Post away.

[Panopticon]

Polyrhythms...PLEASE do polyrhythms...preferably with videos...

[Tim]

that would be a good one^^

i see a lot of thread about one handed rolls and such so maybe something on that.

[Hunted By a Freak]

Polyrhythms...PLEASE do polyrhythms...preferably with videos...


Haha, I just finished a lesson relating to polyrhythms. Check it out. No video now, though.

[Hunted By a Freak]

that would be a good one^^

i see a lot of thread about one handed rolls and such so maybe something on that.


That would be a great one for a video lesson, but that is still in the brainstorming process in way of both me doing it and Jeremy being up for hosting it.

[dairyairman]

for the love of god, someone needs to post a good lesson on how to improve double bass drumming speed and control. almost every 5 minutes someone posts a question about that and it'd be nice to be able to point them to a good lesson on the subject. there used to be a pretty good lesson in the old lessons and articles section, but i can't find it now. i'd write a new one myself, but i'm hardly what you'd call an expert on the subject.

[Hunted By a Freak]

I'm not that into double bass, but I know what to do. I'll look into the subject.

[crazyguy832]

How to improve double-bass speed:

Do rudiments.

Play through Stick Control.

~~~

Now someone go COPY+PASTE that into a lesson.

[Panopticon]

i found that polyrhythm lesson pretty confusing...i think you should maybe make out a simpler one...and post videos of each example...it would be tons easier to understand...cuz polyrhythms are quite hard to grasp for the first timer

[Hunted By a Freak]

i found that polyrhythm lesson pretty confusing...i think you should maybe make out a simpler one...and post videos of each example...it would be tons easier to understand...cuz polyrhythms are quite hard to grasp for the first timer


Yeah, that lesson was kind of assuming you understood basic elements of the concept. I'll look at making an easier one.

[Hunted By a Freak]

How to improve double-bass speed:

Do rudiments.

Play through Stick Control.

~~~

Now someone go COPY+PASTE that into a lesson.


:lol:

[Hunted By a Freak]

Anything else?

[styler]

super_cameron i thought you had like some sort of social breakdown or something? said you werent gonna come on the forums here anymore

glad you came back.


it would be neat to have a lesson on how to practice and devote your time. how much to rudiments, what type of things to practice, and maybe get genre specific with what needs to be practiced, it would be neat if it was detailed as well, no point in a 10 line overview of anything. its not really helping anyone.


proper technique, how not to mess up your limbs?

how to not overwork yourself, in general i mean, how not to exhaust your drumming.

equipment necesities' (sp) for each genre, eg what is used specifically in each genre aside from snare bass and hi-hats.

an in depth description of materials do what to the sound of our instruments, lugs, rims, woods, lathing, grains, finishes etc etc.

band etiquete? (sp)

thanks in advance sc, look forward to reading your lessons.

[Josiah]

metric modulation

[Byron]

something cool about jazz

[spirit]

something cool about jazz

Yes. And drum and bass.

[FockerTheLopper]

Proper techinique, stick hieights, rudiments.
Your a good snare drummer I think thats what you would do the best

[FockerTheLopper]

metric modulation
Oh yeah, off the topic but I was watching a Minnomen video off drummerword(the second one, crack or something) I saw him do a modulated groove in a solo. It sounds so annoying when they modulate just for the sake of modulating

[Phototropic]

super_cameron i thought you had like some sort of social breakdown or something? said you werent gonna come on the forums here anymore

glad you came back.


it would be neat to have a lesson on how to practice and devote your time. how much to rudiments, what type of things to practice, and maybe get genre specific with what needs to be practiced, it would be neat if it was detailed as well, no point in a 10 line overview of anything. its not really helping anyone.


proper technique, how not to mess up your limbs?

how to not overwork yourself, in general i mean, how not to exhaust your drumming.
equipment necesities' (sp) for each genre, eg what is used specifically in each genre aside from snare bass and hi-hats.

an in depth description of materials do what to the sound of our instruments, lugs, rims, woods, lathing, grains, finishes etc etc.

band etiquete? (sp)

thanks in advance sc, look forward to reading your lessons.

:) Definately this :chug:

[drum_with_ease]

Maybe some more complex latin beats.

[flyguy]

Brazilian, Afro Cuban, and Carribean style drumming...

[Hunted By a Freak]

Proper techinique, stick hieights, rudiments.
Your a good snare drummer I think thats what you would do the best

You've never heard me do anything else.

[FockerTheLopper]

You've never heard me do anything else.
I think I heard you once with a jazz band, it was good, but I think that was better. Maybe its because its a video.

Well what do you know how to do and how long have you been playing?

[Futuro]

Latin, I understand Latin music is bigger then all of western music combined. But maybe some ideas using a drumset.

[SkaRabbit]

Some things that i hink would help people

Syncopation and limb independance
A video of how to tune.
Something about double bass(too many thread about it)

bit of a temp mind loss. Can't rememebr the name, but it is when you play the hats with your toe then heel.(incorparting this into drum beats)

One handed roll(not a snare rim fulcrum roll)

[Hunted By a Freak]

I think I heard you once with a jazz band, it was good, but I think that was better. Maybe its because its a video.

Well what do you know how to do and how long have you been playing?


Wait, what are your credentials to judge me? I must have missed the part where you impressed me with your knowledge or playing ability. Those jazz combo recordings are pretty poor quality recordings, so it's not that great to listen to. I think it is a bit ridiculous for you to tell me I'm best at something when you

A) don't know me
B) haven't heard much of my playing
C) probably don't have a qualified judging perspective

Of course an all chops snare solo will seem more impressive than playing jazz in a small combo. But the purpose of the combo was not all chops playing.

Do not continue to try and tell me what I'm good at or able to do; I'm probably a better player and more qualified than all but a few people here, if that.

[moogoogaipan]

Of course an all chops snare solo will seem more impressive than playing jazz in a small combo. But the purpose of the combo was not all chops playing.


aww...come on now. That's not always true. I'm more impressed by watching jazz drummers solo than I am with snare solos.

Not that I'm claiming to not appreciate my roots, but Buddy Rich is more impressive on his kit than any snare solo I have ever seen.

Also, post a lesson on the relevance of the Lydian Chromatic scale in relation to the overtone series and why it's a good scale to use in many situations

[styler]

lol i dont think he was really trying to insult you or anything cameron, you should of taken it as a compliment, he saw how you played, and wanted to know how you practiced. its most likely as simple as that.

[FockerTheLopper]

Wait, what are your credentials to judge me? I must have missed the part where you impressed me with your knowledge or playing ability. Those jazz combo recordings are pretty poor quality recordings, so it's not that great to listen to. I think it is a bit ridiculous for you to tell me I'm best at something when you

A) don't know me
B) haven't heard much of my playing
C) probably don't have a qualified judging perspective

Of course an all chops snare solo will seem more impressive than playing jazz in a small combo. But the purpose of the combo was not all chops playing.

Do not continue to try and tell me what I'm good at or able to do; I'm probably a better player and more qualified than all but a few people here, if that.
You are either
A) Burnt
B) Sick in the head
C) Illiterate
D) A & B

I simply said that I enjoyed your snare video more then your other playing, I also said that I enjoyed your other playing but not as much.

[SkaRabbit]

Yeah cameron i think you mis interparated that?

[Hunted By a Freak]

aww...come on now. That's not always true. I'm more impressed by watching jazz drummers solo than I am with snare solos.

Not that I'm claiming to not appreciate my roots, but Buddy Rich is more impressive on his kit than any snare solo I have ever seen.

Also, post a lesson on the relevance of the Lydian Chromatic scale in relation to the overtone series and why it's a good scale to use in many situations


I was addressing my performance, not Buddy Rich's. I was saying I played for the music rather than to impress people, so to the average idiot probably doesn't appreciate that.


First describe to me the relevance of such a lesson. Who would it help? Would people even understand it? Are you just attempting to display some vague knowledge of music to catch me off guard?

[Hunted By a Freak]

You are either
A) Burnt
B) Sick in the head
C) Illiterate
D) A & B

I simply said that I enjoyed your snare video more then your other playing, I also said that I enjoyed your other playing but not as much.

You are welcome to leave this thread at any time. Obviously you don't know what you're talking about and you are just derailing any progress. Thanks, little guy.

[styler]

I was addressing my performance, not Buddy Rich's. I was saying I played for the music rather than to impress people, so to the average idiot probably doesn't appreciate that.


First describe to me the relevance of such a lesson. Who would it help? Would people even understand it? Are you just attempting to display some vague knowledge of music to catch me off guard?

shut the hell up man. if your gonna give a lesson. its your job to make us understand it.


damn pms'ing idiots.

for the record, the amazing players are the ones that play for the music and add there own tang to the music. playing for the music is the basic job of the drummer. someone whos been playing for a half a year can do that quite well if there serious about drumming.

[Hunted By a Freak]

shut the hell up man. if your gonna give a lesson. its your job to make us understand it.


damn pms'ing idiots.

for the record, the amazing players are the ones that play for the music and add there own tang to the music. playing for the music is the basic job of the drummer. someone whos been playing for a half a year can do that quite well if there serious about drumming.


Yeah, thanks for that lesson, Gruber. You really seem to know what you're talking about. Considering you reiterated exactly what I just said.

I faulted him for providing a suggestion for a lesson that no one here would get anything out of our understand. I think that's pretty understandable.

[moogoogaipan]

I was addressing my performance, not Buddy Rich's. I was saying I played for the music rather than to impress people, so to the average idiot probably doesn't appreciate that.


First describe to me the relevance of such a lesson. Who would it help? Would people even understand it? Are you just attempting to display some vague knowledge of music to catch me off guard?
lol... i didn't read the context... I just starting talking about **** before reading what came before

and the other stuff was me just being a dick. While very relevant in the jazz world, it's not for drummers use.

[Hunted By a Freak]

lol... i didn't read the context... I just starting talking about **** before reading what came before


Yeah, thanks. Let's try and get this thread back on track to relevant subjects. I've already addressed some of the suggestions here in the lessons sites. Some are posted and are in the process of being edited, to make them easier to understand, as they are just text.

[FockerTheLopper]

You are welcome to leave this thread at any time. Obviously you don't know what you're talking about and you are just derailing any progress. Thanks, little guy.
I'll leave the thread but I need some closure.
I don't care if you don't like me but I care if you don't like me without having a reason. I just don't see how I offended you. I'm entitled to my opinion, I in no way insulted your playing and I said I enjoyed both your works just one more. If you justify yourself w/e if you don't I really don't care, I just don't see why you would act like an *** out of the blue, you used to be cool.

[styler]

then dont take suggestions if your gonna turn them down.


again, its not our fault if we cant understand it, thats the teachers fault.

and again again, help us understand it. it will profit us all on our drumming, tell us your practice routine. i dont find a big issue with you telling us what you do with your rudimental drumming? ontop of it being one of the easiest things suggested so far.

[Hunted By a Freak]

then dont take suggestions if your gonna turn them down.


again, its not our fault if we cant understand it, thats the teachers fault.

and again again, help us understand it. it will profit us all on our drumming, tell us your practice routine. i dont find a big issue with you telling us what you do with your rudimental drumming? ontop of it being one of the easiest things suggested so far.


You are confused, boy. I have no problems making a lesson on practicing. I was talking about moogoogaipan's suggestion of "the relevance of the lydian chromatic scale in relation to the overtone series and why it's a good scale to use in many situations"


Stop. Being. Stupid. People.

[Hunted By a Freak]

I'll leave the thread but I need some closure.
I don't care if you don't like me but I care if you don't like me without having a reason. I just don't see how I offended you. I'm entitled to my opinion, I in no way insulted your playing and I said I enjoyed both your works just one more. If you justify yourself w/e if you don't I really don't care, I just don't see why you would act like an *** out of the blue, you used to be cool.


I was offended because it sounded like you were trying to qualify me as to what I'm good at and not as good at. My point was you haven't heard me play much at all, so you wouldn't know my background; I'm more of a contemporary drumset player than anything else. I never marched corps or did drumline.

[moogoogaipan]

Are you just attempting to display some vague knowledge of music to catch me off guard?

not a vague knowledge of music mind you. The Lydian chromatic is based off the of higher series of overtones and allows for more scale choice options when soloing in a jazz scenario.

This isn't to start a flame war or anything, but vague knowledge isn't what I have. I was just having fun to see if you would actually post something about it, no offense was meant

[FockerTheLopper]

I was offended because it sounded like you were trying to qualify me as to what I'm good at and not as good at. My point was you haven't heard me play much at all, so you wouldn't know my background; I'm more of a contemporary drumset player than anything else. I never marched corps or did drumline.
Oh, well if I offended I'm sorry, I just went by what I knew.
I'll be on my way.

[Hunted By a Freak]

not a vague knowledge of music mind you. The Lydian chromatic is based off the of higher series of overtones and allows for more scale choice options when soloing in a jazz scenario.

This isn't to start a flame war or anything, but vague knowledge isn't what I have. I was just having fun to see if you would actually post something about it, no offense was meant


What I meant by 'vague knowledge' was just your attempt at thinking up something obscure like the whole lydian chromatic concept. I mean, it's interesting, but would hold no point here, as most of these guys simply play drums and probably would be better off learning more basic theory. Russell's whole tonal gravity concept is a bit strange, IMO, anyway.

[Hunted By a Freak]

Oh, well if I offended I'm sorry, I just went by what I knew.
I'll be on my way.

Nah, bro. It's just hard to judge tone and meaning on the internet sometimes. Sorry.

[FockerTheLopper]

Nah, bro. It's just hard to judge tone and meaning on the internet sometimes. Sorry.
Its cool. I ussually don't insult people unless the reason is really good, so don't jump ahead at me I don't want to make enemies on here, were all here to learn and be a community.

Drummer love yo.

[moogoogaipan]

What I meant by 'vague knowledge' was just your attempt at thinking up something obscure like the whole lydian chromatic concept. I mean, it's interesting, but would hold no point here, as most of these guys simply play drums and probably would be better off learning more basic theory. Russell's whole tonal gravity concept is a bit strange, IMO, anyway.
Strange is a fair way. Though it can be somewhat useful.

It's true, though, I was just trying to talk about something that would scare some people off... it's good fun... everyone should know theory IMO.. it should be our collective goal to increase theoretic knowledge in this forum.

[Hunted By a Freak]

Yeah, theory is mad important for being a musician. If you only want to play drums you should still know basic theory.

[Motleyguy]

Yeah, dude, you should totally do a lesson on basic music theory, maybe even some more advanced stuff. So many people on here don't know anything about theory. I suggest you do a lesson on at least basic theory. Also, an in depth lesson on polyrhythms, with, as etp2 said, possibly a video, would probably be totally helpful to so many people. I also thought the practice routine idea was great.

[rohbit]

Wait, what are your credentials to judge me? I must have missed the part where you impressed me with your knowledge or playing ability. Those jazz combo recordings are pretty poor quality recordings, so it's not that great to listen to. I think it is a bit ridiculous for you to tell me I'm best at something when you

A) don't know me
B) haven't heard much of my playing
C) probably don't have a qualified judging perspective

Of course an all chops snare solo will seem more impressive than playing jazz in a small combo. But the purpose of the combo was not all chops playing.

Do not continue to try and tell me what I'm good at or able to do; I'm probably a better player and more qualified than all but a few people here, if that.

Wow... someone hit a nerve.

I think focker's inability to write a coherent paragraph might be the key to this outburst; not his tendency to critique other drummers.

EDIT: Hmm... it seems that Focker's drummer love has fixed the situation.

I'll add to the suggestions:

Personally, i found that learning how to properly hold my sticks, and how to control rebound, etc. was integral to my development as a drummer (considering that I started taking lessons Nov. 2005).

Also, maybe something on creating beats. What I mean is, some lessons that take rudiments, and apply them to a kit. For example, taking a paradiddle beat and having the paradiddle be between your snare and your bass while keeping constant 8ths on the ride (really simple example). The idea would not be to teach the person what to play, but more to give an idea on how you can take something as simple as a single paradiddle and create a really cool groove out of it.

[Hunted By a Freak]

Alright, I have 7 lessons up currently waiting for critique. I just have to figure out how to edit them for errors and to make them more clear if the need arises.

[Flamacue]

metric modulation

Hmm, might be an idea to get to know basic time sigs before learning metric modulation.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=398650&page=2

[Josiah]

You are truly a sad old man.

[Flamacue]

You are truly a sad old man.

Oh I see, I'm sad for pointing something out which is relevant to music, but you're not sad when you point out something trivial like when I posted media in the wrong forum. Gotcha!

[Josiah]

Hardly at all.

You are sad because you pull up year+ old threads, just to argue some pathetic point in a very weak attempt at an insult.

After 5 some odd years on one of the most popular drum forums. You are the ONLY person I've ever seen do that.

[Massik Kretal]

Syncopation and limb independance

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/lesson.php?lessonid=154

[Hunted By a Freak]

Cool it down guys. That was a low blow, Rudi.

[Flamacue]

Hardly at all.

You are sad because you pull up year+ old threads, just to argue some pathetic point in a very weak attempt at an insult.

After 5 some odd years on one of the most popular drum forums. You are the ONLY person I've ever seen do that.

You're the ONLY person I've ever seen who thinks a 4/4 groove can be called 12/8. Pathetic point? You don't know the most obvious, basic difference in time signature. Yea I'd say that's pathetic. Even worse that people voted you as most educated and knowledgeable, lol. What on gods earth made you think you were playing 12/8?? And you thought it was cool to 'educate' the kids here by giving them wrong information? They really shouldn't be listening to you.

[rohbit]

You're the ONLY person I've ever seen who thinks a 4/4 groove can be called 12/8. Pathetic point? You don't know the most obvious, basic difference in time signature. Yea I'd say that's pathetic. Even worse that people voted you as most educated and knowledgeable, lol. What on gods earth made you think you were playing 12/8?? And you thought it was cool to 'educate' the kids here by giving them wrong information? They really shouldn't be listening to you.

Let it go man. It's pointless arguing with him. Even if he is wrong, he'll fight to the bitter end. Be the bigger man and just let it go.

[SkaRabbit]

The sputnik thing is confusing me. i click on excersises etc and it says there are 12...I get there and it only shows 4 and any that have been commented on recently?>? am i being blind?

[Bub]

Nah man. he's making you look bad, too.

[Flamacue]

rofl, even my student knows the difference between 12/8 and 4/4. Looks like P.I.T. education program doesn't work for some people..

[Flamacue]

Hardly.

I'm the constent. He's the attacker.

We go a few months or so without the joys of rudy, then invariably just about when we think he's given up. He comes back around, simply to stir up stuff, try and start arguments.

Look at this, he's brought out a year old thread, wich nobody has the audio for.. then he's commenced arguing over what I said it was played in, a year ago, from a file not even I have anymore. Come on... that's just retarded, talk about really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

And he did that, because I pointed out that he kept putting his pictures in the main forum instead of the forum they belong in.

It's very easy to see through him.

Actually, the file works fine and I've saved it to my hardrive. I'll post it up in a bit. You still haven't admitted you're wrong about the time signature, that would be beneath you and might show you up in front of the people you're trying to convince of your wealth of knowledge. And it's not a year, it's only about 8 months. If a thread is open then it's still fair game for discussion. I didn't try to stir up trouble but rather, try to correct something so younger members here don't get CONFUSED. But regardless, why do you think it's cool for you to keep hammering on about me 'ripping off' my student for that pedal when I did no such thing. As if you weren't trolling, lol. One rule for you but another rule for everyone else eh...

[Josiah]

Predictable as frosted flakes.

I think another good lesson could be on closed rolls and open rolls, or the differences. I don't see much discussion on closed roll stuff round here.

[DxRocker]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

It's not very cool of me, but... I just love it when those two get it on :lol:

[Flamacue]

This isn't about trolling josiah. Stop crying, admit you're wrong about the 12/8(unless you still think it's 12/8?) and then let's move on. You know all about trolling so pot, black, kettle.

[Bub]

We have a one phrase parrot here....

forgot the actual term for that, but it works, no?

[Flamacue]

I don't even have the audio file in question, so there's no way I could comment on it.


I do! You can comment on it now.



Because your arguement is false on principle alone. Here's a key fact of music theory - EVERYTHING can be written in 4/4 and in the key of C. Therefore.. whatever it is. It would, could and most rightly was written and played in 4/4.

Oh look, josiah's trying to educate me!
wtf? 12/8 is 12/8 because it has a specific way of being played and felt.
Let's look at some facts. Here's what you said in that thread:

"No, 12/8 is just that 12/8. 12/8 is like a bar of 8th note triplets in 4/4.

What I'm playing there is assuredly 12/8. Really it only matters for notational purposes of course."

Last edited by Josiah : 10-04-2005 at 11:06 PM.


Ok, here's the audio. Please point out the triplets you played in this..erm.. 12/8 groove :lol:
Honestly, you're groove is as close to 12/8 as a rhumba is to a foxtrot.

http://freespace.virgin.net/roman.five/128-2.mp3

[Hunted By a Freak]

Guys

wtf

stop ruining my thread

[Josiah]

Another lesson idea could be on arc angles of the sticks when playing. Something marching guys tend to deal with a bit.

[Flamacue]

This guy is amazing.


Don't give me that sarcastic bullsh@t. You're simply not man enough to own up to the fact that your music theory leaves A LOT to be desired.
Sorry cameron, the thread is yours again, I proved my point.
Case closed. :thumb:

[Flamacue]

This guy is amazing. Thanks now I have the file again.. hmm I played some bitchin fills in there. It's in 19/16 too.


lmao, the only time you played 19/16 was when you screwed up the timing at 2:26...

[jalel]

^ You used to have horrible tom angles:)

[Flamacue]

The tunes in 12/8 buddy. Deal with it. It's Vanessa Carliton's "Pretty Baby"


Lol, no it's not! God you're stubborn :lol:

Meanwhile, here's your...12/8 song.

http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=mn0042418&bookmark=0&artist=vanessa+carlton

[Josiah]

A lesson on how to practice would be useful to many.. I think their might already be one.

[Hunted By a Freak]

Yeah, I made one addressing developing a practice routine yesterday.

[styler]

thanks in advance SC

[moogoogaipan]

Lol, no it's not! God you're stubborn :lol:





I hate to take sides, but this argument is in your favor. I'm so confused...everyone on this forum seems biased towards their favorite person and make them seem as infallible as god.

That audio clip that I heard sound clearly 4/4 unless the hi-hats are pulsing
one-two-three-four-five-six-seven-eight-nine-ten-eleven-twelve.

I'm not taking sides, but I don't know what the hell is going on.



so as not to hijack the thread.
post some general history. Something about the originators of the drumset and the origins of different styles.

[Massik Kretal]

I think Josiah edited all his posts? Becuase all of Rudy's qoutes of him don't exist anywhere lol and it's making him look like he's fighting with himself. I'm on his side though.

Cam you mind if I take some of these ideas? I have 2 lessons and I dunno what else to write about.

[Josiah]

Yes, because I realized how absurd it was AND how it was killing an actually decent thread. So I simply removed all of my own non relivent posts to the thread I think I got them all.

[Massik Kretal]

Oh alright so I know what going on. I was a tad confused.

Josiah you said you wanted a lesson on closed and open rolls. It's a good topic but it doesnt seem like a very long one...any topic you can think of to add to it to make a longer lessons incorperating both or some crap.

[Flamacue]

Actually, we had one good lesson in this thread already about 12/8. Noone can say I don't give to the community. :thumb:

[SkaRabbit]

Yeah it would be nice after this to see the differences of 4/4 and 12/8 and how to play 12/8. in a vid of some sort.

can someone explain what an open and closed rol is for us less of the knowledge?

[Massik Kretal]

Breifly and poorly explained...

A open roll is used alot for rudimetnal drumming and marching band, where they play every hit or some crap like heres a nine stroke roll.

RRLLRRLL R

And closed it's just like closed lol. Like BRRRRRRRRRRR BOP!

Ya no? Sorry for the poor explaination I'm tired.

[Hunted By a Freak]

Yeah, go for it, bro. Anyone make lessons if they feel like it.

[Hunted By a Freak]

From my understanding, an open roll is another term for double stroke roll. Closed roll is another term for buzz roll.

[Massik Kretal]

Yeah pretty much, but you can play any of the roll rudiments open or closed. Open is used mostly in marching and rock music. Closed is used in traditional/classical music, jazz, and other styles.

[Hunted By a Freak]

Nah, bro. I know what you're saying, but when something says "open roll" or "closed roll" I'm pretty sure that's what they mean. Like in auditions and stuff. It's the same term, different meaning.

So basically one definition

"play rudiments open-closed-open" = "play rudiments slow-fast-slow"

And in reference to rolls

"Play a closed roll. Now play an open roll." = "Play a buzz roll. Now play a double stroke roll."

[Massik Kretal]

Yeah, my teacher just explained it to me that way to make me understand and realize what it sounds like.

[Flamacue]

Yah, cameron is correct. An open roll tends to be a double stroke roll, specifically 2 strokes per hand with wide open strokes and lots of definition. Closed roll/buzz roll/pressed roll are all the buzz roll. Closed because it's very much buried down into the head as opposed to the double stroke roll which is the opposite.


Yeah it would be nice after this to see the differences of 4/4 and 12/8 and how to play 12/8. in a vid of some sort.


Alright, I found a page of drum files which will give you an idea of a 12/8 groove and also a slower 4/4 groove. A song which is 12/8 is a horrible old tune called 'puppy love' by paul anka. 12/8 and 6/8 actually sound pretty similar. 'Unchained Melody', an old classic by the righteous brothers, is in 6/8, but if you listened to both that and puppy love, they both sound like 12/8.


http://homepage.mac.com/drumsondemand/v4demos/128RIMBALLAD.mp3

http://homepage.mac.com/drumsondemand/v4demos/PUNCHYSNRBALLAD.mp3

http://www.drumsondemand.com/volume4.html

[Hunted By a Freak]

Waco. Tango. Foxtrot.

Please. Stop. Rudy.

[Flamacue]

Waco. Tango. Foxtrot.

Please. Stop. Rudy.

what?

[Hunted By a Freak]

This thread is for lesson suggestions. Please take your arguments elsewhere. Preferably stop them all together.

[Flamacue]

This thread is for lesson suggestions. Please take your arguments elsewhere. Preferably stop them all together.

Wtf are you babbling about? Did you read my last post?

[Massik Kretal]

Flam I thought I said that they we're doubles and distinct and all that crap. But yeah we're basically just saying the same thing, if you add what I said and what he said you got it all.

[Hunted By a Freak]

I read your post. I'm not talking about the question I answered. I'm talking about your ongoing pissing contest with Josiah. It needs to end now.

[Flamacue]

I read your post. I'm not talking about the question I answered. I'm talking about your ongoing pissing contest with Josiah. It needs to end now.

Eh? I think you're a little behind in this thread mate. I haven't continued anything with josiah, that was a few hours ago. I've since made an extremely useful post confirming about rolls and some useful links answering skarabbits question. Don't lecture me, I'm doing this for free ffs!

[Hunted By a Freak]

So that excuses you from taking a page to have a flame war? Alright, thanks. Whatever. I'm on a break from practicing. Guess I'll go practice more. Maybe other people should get off the internet and do the same.

[Flamacue]

FU. Your reaction to the flame fest is quite delayed. The arguing stopped a while ago and you've just rekindled the fire. Well done! I'm helping out in this thread, answering questions and generally trying to educate people like I always try to do. You don't like that? Sue me.

[jalel]

Actually, a blind person could see what you're doing with your links. Showing the difference between a 12/8 and 4/4 groove is just another subtle stab at Josiah.

[Flamacue]

rofl, look at it whichever paranoid way you want to jalel because here's the facts. SkaRabbit wanted some information. I gave it to him. What have you offered in this thread? A big fat zero.

[jalel]

Ok fine, you want me to offer something I will. Someone should do a lesson on how to set up a drumset properly. We see enough bad tom angles as it is and this would be helpful to beginners. You happy now flamacue?:angry:

[Flamacue]

Happy? Nope, I couldn't give a monkeys whether you offer anything or not but I'd be happier if you appreciated other peoples efforts. Besides, if you were offering something you'd do it yourself. You're simply asking for someone else to do it for you.

[jalel]

I don't claim to be qualified to teach or anything, but I have a lot of resources and know a lot of people that can answer anything I can't.

Suggest lessons I could post in the Sputnik Lesson site.




Isn't that the point of this thread?

[Hunted By a Freak]

Yes. Stop fighting.

[Flamacue]

Sure it is. I'm pointing out to you that youre not offering anything, you're asking. And since you're aware of bad tom angles and how it would be good for beginners, how about you offer to make the lesson?

[Hunted By a Freak]

Rudy, the point of the thread was me asking people what they want me to make lessons about. He's right.

[Flamacue]

You don't seem to understand cameron. jalel was having a dig at me for helping out skarabbit. He took it to mean I'm having a dig at josiah. While I've offered my help he's offered none so he's REALLY in no position to criticise. I don't see him asking someone else to make a lesson as 'offering' anything in the same way as someone like me who is actually helping someone. Pointless as that is amongst so many noobs.

[jalel]

And we all know you offered so much by wasting nearly a page of posts arguing with Josiah over something trivial :rolleyes:

[Flamacue]

Trivial? Oooh no dear boy, I wouldn't say it's trivial. I'd say putting out misinformation about time signatures is as bad as it gets, particularly in a drum forum where players NEED to understand correct meter. We don't learn melodies, we learn about time signatures and metronomes. What's this thread about? Lessons. What are lessons? Learning. What is learning? Well one thing is learning not to say 4/4 is 12/8.

[moogoogaipan]

burned

[rohbit]

Cam, I suggest starting a new thread. Copy all of the suggestons into a massive post, and that way ppl will get the coles notes version of this in one thread without the war.

[flyguy]

Trivial? Oooh no dear boy, I wouldn't say it's trivial. I'd say putting out misinformation about time signatures is as bad as it gets, particularly in a drum forum where players NEED to understand correct meter. We don't learn melodies, we learn about time signatures and metronomes. What's this thread about? Lessons. What are lessons? Learning. What is learning? Well one thing is learning not to say 4/4 is 12/8.


Yes...we know your right. Do you want a cookie?

[Btrutt87]

Yea, seriously... act your age. Must be the beginning of a midlife crisis.

[Hunted By a Freak]

What you were doing by answering that question WAS getting a chance to "take a dig" at Josiah. I'm done with this thread. Thanks for the suggestions, people.

[Flamacue]

haha, all this because josiah called me sad for calling him out instead of admitting he was wrong, and now the fanboys are coming out of the woodwork. You all want advice for free ( where noone says thanks anyway) because you can't afford lessons, yet it's too much trouble to sift through a few pages of flames to get to the answers. You want it all on a plate with sugar on top and then when you get help you argue against it. You take my behaviour in one thread as the only thing worth noting yet completely choose to ignore the good stuff I've done. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you, LOL. What a complete bunch of ****ing idiots.

[Hunted By a Freak]

Yeah. What about all the good things Hitler did?


I can afford lessons. I'm currently majoring in music, and I probably know a lot more/can play a lot better than you. Sorry for being blunt. We don't need your help if it's going to come with a whole lot of crap bundled with it.

[Flamacue]

Yeah. What about all the good things Hitler did?


I can afford lessons. I'm currently majoring in music, and I probably know a lot more/can play a lot better than you. Sorry for being blunt. We don't need your help if it's going to come with a whole lot of crap bundled with it.

You can play a lot better than me? Wow, now you're sounding like josiah.
I've heard your drumkit playing. Stick to snare drumming..

[Flamacue]

And try to hold on to the sticks when you throw them in the air. It helps..

[Hunted By a Freak]

I've heard your drumkit playing.


Ok. When?

[Flamacue]

Ok. When?

You posted something a while back from your school band. Listen cameron, I complimented you on your snare solos. But it seems to me the compliments you've been getting have completely gone to your head and it shows in your attitude. Take a look at the beginning of this thread, you took it out on fokker lecturing him because your ego was busted. Do me a favour, don't turn into another josiah. One of them is bad enough. Two is a disaster.

[Hunted By a Freak]

You posted something a while back from your school band. Listen cameron, I complimented you on your snare solos. But it seems to me the compliments you've been getting have completely gone to your head and it shows in your attitude. Take a look at the beginning of this thread, you took it out on fokker lecturing him because your ego was busted. Do me a favour, don't turn into anothe josiah. One of them is bad enough. Two is a disaster.

I think you misinterpret assertiveness and confidence for ego.

Time for your nap, old man. Bye.

[Flamacue]

Er no, it's called ego. You have too much of it.

[Flamacue]

Wait, what are your credentials to judge me? I must have missed the part where you impressed me with your knowledge or playing ability. Those jazz combo recordings are pretty poor quality recordings, so it's not that great to listen to. I think it is a bit ridiculous for you to tell me I'm best at something when you

A) don't know me
B) haven't heard much of my playing
C) probably don't have a qualified judging perspective

Of course an all chops snare solo will seem more impressive than playing jazz in a small combo. But the purpose of the combo was not all chops playing.

Do not continue to try and tell me what I'm good at or able to do; I'm probably a better player and more qualified than all but a few people here, if that.

See what I mean? Look at this bull. An all chops snare solo is more impressive than playing jazz in a small combo? Says who? You? What do you know?

[Hunted By a Freak]

See what I mean? Look at this bull. An all chops snare solo is more impressive than playing jazz in a small combo? Says who? You? What do you know?

I was saying from the perspective of amateur drummers; the type of look up to "fast" playing and licks.

Stop.

[Flamacue]

I'd like to hear your recent kit playing. Post something up eh.

[rohbit]

Ok, I'm going to attempt to play mediator here.

Rudy, every time you make a point you refute it with childish outbursts. You're being a hypocrite by accusing Cameron of being egocentric, since this whole flame war began as a result of your ego being bruised by people who were too jaded to point out Josiah's timing mistake 8 months ago. That being said, I'd be hurt and annoyed too if I were in your situation, and I'd probably end up doing the same thing; however, I do know in retrospect, that I wish I'd dealt with situations where I did do that in a more mature fashion. I agree, Josiah was not playing in 12/8, and I agree that his fanboys are quite loud when they disagree (it sucks when the wrong people are the loudest), but dude, attacking him over and over again doesn't make you look right, it just makes you look petty. Now going after Cameron is not going to solve anything. You've seen arguments like this before. They're not going to end with one person admitting they're wrong. Instead, the thread will just be locked, and the bitter feelings will just build to another outburst like this.

Cameron, dude, admit it, you did snap at Fokker because he bruised your ego. I've seen you snap a couple of times at people and seen you use your musical background as a means of proving your mettle. I can't say that I haven't done the same thing. I remember two days ago, I read moogoogaipan's comment regarding my inability to do math and I took it to offence (even though he was just kidding). I started typing a fiery retort about how "I'm in Electrical Engineering and blah blah blah." Then I stopped and realized what a haughty taughty prick I sounded like, and how I really should've read the comment. That being said, I admire that you actually appologised to Fokker for misinterpretting his comment. We all know you have skills, and we all know about your formal training (you've mentioned it before), but every time you tell us about how great you are at this music/drumming related thing and that music/drumming related thing and blah blah blah, you don't come off as a wise person, just come off as an arrogant jerk.

You two have alot to offer to these forums. Don't ruin your credibility in a meaningless squabble like this one.

[Flamacue]

rohbit, I appreciate your well put together post. I have to say this though. I had stopped the bull with josiah quite a while ago and had posted a reply to SkaRabbit to help him. Cameron then started on me. That's where we are now. I am not to blame anymore, I'm defending my corner here. Look at page 3, it's quite obvious where it took a new direction after I posted to SkaRabbit. Not my doing I assure you.

[rohbit]

rohbit, I appreciate your well put together post. I have to say this though. I had stopped the bull with josiah quite a while ago and had posted a reply to SkaRabbit to help him. Cameron then started on me. That's where we are now. I am not to blame anymore, I'm defending my corner here.

I understand that you stopped with Jos, and was in fact helping SkaRabbit (i distinctly remember his question regarding 12/8 and 4/4). The problem was that you'd already gone too far. Now Cameron started on you, and I also remember that. He most likely did so because he was frustrated that his thread (an excellent idea for a thread I might add) was being hi-jacked. I can't say who's wrong, and who's right because this whole situation is very grey, but I do think that a forum wide appology (not only from you, but from everyone who attacked you etc.) would be best. Then maybe a handshake, and a group hug.

I do realize that it's somewhat of a pipe-dream, but it'd be nice to just have everyone just let this ugly situation go.

[Flamacue]

What am I doing defending myself anyway? I help out here giving advice to people that, honestly, don't really care. Oh ye, nearly forgot, I'm getting paid for it! Funny that, they're very appreciative at 3 three other forums I go to. Why is this one the odd one out? I mean it's not like MX members can afford to poopoo advice, the general membership has the highest quota of beginners of all the forums I go to. Nothing wrong with that, but hey. Seriously, I cannot recall anyone here saying thanks to me for anything. Someone pm'ed me asking me to send them the pdf of the encyclopedia of double bass drumming. So I did and didn't even get a thank you. Too many spoilt kids with internet connections.
I remember some guy a few weeks back completely refusing to accept anything I told him. There he was, asking for advice, then arguing it, and what's more, he was a complete noob. Never got any thanks from him and I'd told him specifically what he needed to know. This is what I'm dealing with. I don't need to deal with it though. I'm happy to when people are cool but when they're not, bollocks, find your own way then. Go look up some threads with me in it, you'll find some useful, polite, friendly and well explained things I've posted. Much more so than the majority of members here.

[rohbit]

What am I doing defending myself anyway? I help out here giving advice to people that, honestly, don't really care. Oh ye, nearly forgot, I'm getting paid for it! Funny that, they're very appreciative at 3 three other forums I go to. Why is this one the odd one out? I mean it's not like MX members can afford to poopoo advice, the general membership has the highest quota of beginners of all the forums I go to. Nothing wrong with that, but hey. Seriously, I cannot recall anyone here saying thanks to me for anything. Someone pm'ed me asking me to send them the pdf of the encyclopedia of double bass drumming. So I did and didn't even get a thank you. Too many spoilt kids with internet connections.
I remember some guy a few weeks back completely refusing to accept anything I told him. There he was, asking for advice, then arguing it, and what's more, he was a complete noob. Never got any thanks from him and I'd told him specifically what he needed to know. This is what I'm dealing with. I don't need to deal with it though. I'm happy to when people are cool but when they're not, bollocks, find your own way then. Go look up some threads with me in it, you'll find some useful, polite, friendly and well explained things I've posted. Much more so than the majority of members here.

Well, then I'll say this: I appreciate your advice (cause I'm sure you've helped me at one point or the other), and all the help that you have and hopefully will give in the future.

[Flamacue]

Dunno if I helped you or not, hopefully I have. Regardless, I appreciate your
humble and courteous manner :thumb:

[DxRocker]

I can afford lessons. I'm currently majoring in music, and I probably know a lot more/can play a lot better than you. Sorry for being blunt. We don't need your help if it's going to come with a whole lot of crap bundled with it.

OK, while I was laughing at this thread before and told myself not to get involved, I can't help but doing so now.

This post was too much dude. You don't know who you are talking to.
A few pages back you were having a go at some dude for allegedly "critisising" your playing while he didn't know anything about you and now you do the exact same thing.

I've heared tons of audio of flam and also talked a lot to him on aim. He helped me out heaps with lots of stuff (read: stuff I couldn't get clear answers on from ANYONE on the forums, wich includes much theory).

Don't be such a dick in heaven. Stay on the ground. Even if you are a good player (wich I don't know, and I really don't care either), it doesn't help your reputation to say so in this way.

Like we say in that enormous game "world of warcraft":
Learn2BeHumble

and for the record: I think this whole thread smells like Cam's ego. I didn't want to say something about this, because I know he meant it well. But I had a feeling from the beginning already that it was something like: "ask me, for I knoweth everything"

[Josiah]

Wow. Rudy defines a troll.

The only thing sad here is his Non MAC-Ban. After many times being banned officially, he continues to do nothing but strive to create chaos.

Point in case, if we could magically destroy every rudyment or flamacue post. We would loose nothing. The forum would suffer non. It would venture on with one less troll.

[DxRocker]

if we could magically destroy every rudyment or flamacue post. We would loose nothing.

I disagree

It's not because you edited and/or deleted every rant post of yours in this thread that suddenly 100% of your posts are helpfull to the community.

You both post off topic and you both post helpfull stuff around here.
Just like you both like to have a go at eachother.

[styler]

DXrocker for pres.

[Flamacue]

Well said DxRocker, thanks for your support. Catch you on AIM later, I have a nifty lick for you to get stuck into.:)

Josiah.. when you get your music theory facts straight
and I don't have to correct you then maybe you'll be in
a stronger position to push your weight around.
Until then, stfu. Banning me isn't the solution
to cover up for your inadequacies.

[jalel]

You posted something a while back from your school band. Listen cameron, I complimented you on your snare solos. But it seems to me the compliments you've been getting have completely gone to your head and it shows in your attitude. Take a look at the beginning of this thread, you took it out on fokker lecturing him because your ego was busted. Do me a favour, don't turn into another josiah. One of them is bad enough. Two is a disaster.


Judging by your recent posts, you're the one turning into another Josiah:thumb: Oh and by the way, I never took sides in this little debacle. I was just dissapointed that another thread which could have been beneficial to the community got ruined by a flame-fest.

[DxRocker]

lol, I haven't had AIM installed for months dude. I really need to hook myself up again. My pc crashed some months ago and still didn't get to re-installing that little program :p

You online much flam? It's been a while since we talked. :)

[Josiah]

Wow very good DX... and did it occur to you, that it perhaps did to me as well? So that after I saw that it had taken up an entire page I decided... wow that wasn't worth destroying the thread for. So I just took all the non relivent posts out. I was hoping rudy would follow suit...

EXCUSE ME for attempting to correct MY MISTAKE of bickering with that old man in camerons thread. It's fairly obvious that even after I left, retracted everything I found to be non relivent... rudy still contiuned on.

I have no idea what to say to that. I realized the mistake, attempted to correct it to save the thread.

[jalel]

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7164/ihatescreamo8pn4uz.th.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ihatescreamo8pn4uz.jpg)

[Hunted By a Freak]

What am I doing defending myself anyway? I help out here giving advice to people that, honestly, don't really care. Oh ye, nearly forgot, I'm getting paid for it! Funny that, they're very appreciative at 3 three other forums I go to. Why is this one the odd one out? I mean it's not like MX members can afford to poopoo advice, the general membership has the highest quota of beginners of all the forums I go to. Nothing wrong with that, but hey. Seriously, I cannot recall anyone here saying thanks to me for anything. Someone pm'ed me asking me to send them the pdf of the encyclopedia of double bass drumming. So I did and didn't even get a thank you. Too many spoilt kids with internet connections.
I remember some guy a few weeks back completely refusing to accept anything I told him. There he was, asking for advice, then arguing it, and what's more, he was a complete noob. Never got any thanks from him and I'd told him specifically what he needed to know. This is what I'm dealing with. I don't need to deal with it though. I'm happy to when people are cool but when they're not, bollocks, find your own way then. Go look up some threads with me in it, you'll find some useful, polite, friendly and well explained things I've posted. Much more so than the majority of members here.



The pot calling the kettle black

[rohbit]

Wow very good DX... and did it occur to you, that it perhaps did to me as well? So that after I saw that it had taken up an entire page I decided... wow that wasn't worth destroying the thread for. So I just took all the non relivent posts out. I was hoping rudy would follow suit...

EXCUSE ME for attempting to correct MY MISTAKE of bickering with that old man in camerons thread. It's fairly obvious that even after I left, retracted everything I found to be non relivent... rudy still contiuned on.

I have no idea what to say to that. I realized the mistake, attempted to correct it to save the thread.

You know Jos, editing what you said to look like you never said anything at all isn't exactly correcting your mistake (even though you physically corrected everything). You never said anything about admitting your mistake. Admitting it is just as important as making the changes to right the wrong.

I'm done with this thread... noone seems to want to admit being wrong in attacking each other...

I find it ironic that the most mature person throughout the course of this entire thread was the one person who has trouble writing a cohesive sentence... Fokker.

[Josiah]

Hmm? I did say it was my mistake.. in capital letters even. If you are refering to rudy's atempt at gouging. I'm not going to even bother aruging over the time signature on some obscure file, from a year or more ago, just to satisfy some ulterior motives of his.

It's very obvious he is a troll and only wants to create problems. He's just smart enough to throw the occasional nuetral post around in a vain attempt at hiding it. He has a very obvious pattern and frequency rate.

The reason he's been allowed to contiune on his merry way is purely for the entertainment of those watching. After numerous attempts at banning him, his persitence has proven to be far above the normal troll. The humor and very occasional educational value outweigh the drastic measures nessicary to ban him in a concrete fashion.

Simply take this thread into consideration. He came here, made a post who's entire purpose was to cause an argument. Then continued it on at breakneck speed, even taking on new people to argue with as others bow out.

[SkaRabbit]

Wow very good DX... and did it occur to you, that it perhaps did to me as well? So that after I saw that it had taken up an entire page I decided... wow that wasn't worth destroying the thread for. So I just took all the non relivent posts out. I was hoping rudy would follow suit...

EXCUSE ME for attempting to correct MY MISTAKE of bickering with that old man in camerons thread. It's fairly obvious that even after I left, retracted everything I found to be non relivent... rudy still contiuned on.

I have no idea what to say to that. I realized the mistake, attempted to correct it to save the thread.


Not to take sides but i did ask a genuine question which flamacue answered, he didn't continue it...But hey, i find both of you to be very polite to me and interesting to read.

[Flamacue]

Oh do **** off josiah you moron. LOL, who the hell do you think you are? You're not even a mod and you carry on like you are one just because you've got the mods backing. So let them make you a mod then! Even better, make you an admin then you can ban me yourself and never have to deal with me pointing out what a complete and utter idiot you are. OBSCURE FILE?? LMFAO, there's nothing obscure about it, the evidence is as plain as the hole in your damp brain. There's nothing you can argue about it. You don't have a leg to stand on. I've proved it to you by shoving it right in your arrogant face and STILL you defend yourself. You even said it's a vanessa carlton song you played and it's in 12/8, then I showed you the sheet music which clearly has 4/4 written on it! My god, you're a virus to the drumming community and thank god for you that you don't post at any other forums because you'd be laughed out just like you were at HOD.

"It's very obvious he is a troll and only wants to create problems"
Wow, just wow! It's so convenient for you to say just because someone has a go at you. I haven't trolled anyone, I've pointed out some errors and you've taken it personally. Get the **** over yourself! You're the biggest troll at DnP and don't even bother to deny it. You trolled me at every opportunity about selling my pedal to my student, randomly popping up in any thread I posted in to have a dig. Yet when I make a pretty innocent passing comment that you need to learn basic time signatures instead of metric modulation you throw a hissy fit and have the ****ing nerve to call ME a troll.
You really do talk some ****. I hope someone one day punches your lights out because you sure deserve it.
I reckon it's already happened a few times though :lol:

[Flamacue]

lol, I haven't had AIM installed for months dude. I really need to hook myself up again. My pc crashed some months ago and still didn't get to re-installing that little program :p

You online much flam? It's been a while since we talked. :)

Dx, get MSN man, it's so much better than AIM :thumb:

[Flamacue]

Ok, someone should close this flame fest and cameron should post his topic in a fresh one. I'm bored of arguing with josiah, it's like kicking a dying bleeding dog. I'm out.

[SkaRabbit]

o yeah and cheers for the links dude!

[Massik Kretal]

So...how bout them Yankees?

Flam whats your MSN?

[Flamacue]

You're welcome skarabbit.

Massik, you can catch me on roman.five@virgin.net

[Loyton]

Never hast' I seen a thread so rampant with hyprocritcal cannaballism.





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On another note, each sniped page there after shall be one of informing helpfullness.

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[jalel]

What the hell.........

[Hunted By a Freak]

I think everyone who wanted to post a suggestion probably got to. At least I have a good idea on what to write about for a while. I'll get to work when I have time.

And contrary to DX Cocker's thoughts, I'm doing this to help, not show everyone how much I know.

But yeah, close this thread.