Racism on Musician Forums?

[Canadian_Drummer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carn
the only things Africans can grip are bags of rice and the bags of sugar they need to haul down my plantation.

HAHAHAHAHA.

so I said this "you rasist bastard why dont you shut the **** up and think before you say somthing like that" im was venting some anger at that point but still...

these were some replies
"Here we have it ladies and gentlemen a PRIME example of whats f-ucked up in our world today, the notion that everything has to be so politically correct, and if its not, that person deserves to be punished. You can't seem to crack a harmless joke about race, sexuality, or religion with out someone getting their panties in a little wad. Although, I do agree at times such harsh jokes can be taken to offense, yet what is it YOUR job to freak out? I find your Nazi-esque actions towards humor, just as prejudice as his against race. I think we all have friends of diff. races that we are comfortable enough to jole with about these things, who is it you to say he should be banned? Taste the ****ing rainbow cunt bag.. it's life. **** you.

Politely,

W. Tang."

and...

"There is another example of racism... Well discrimination anyways...

Racist jokes are very popular today... For a group of African Americans to make a joke about a white guy, or the other way around, isn't unusual... Although posting such a joke on a public forum like MF should not be done, because of the different races, etc. that are here...

It is harmless houmour when it doesn't harm anyone who hears it... If I were of African descendence then this thread would make me sick... How such a question about African grip turned into racist jokes, not one, but many over and over and over...

-DM"

Personally being black I find this offensive and unaceptable, I want to know if you agree or are you rasist to?

[Mr. Ron]

Personally, I wouldn't care if someone made a white joke around me because I just don't care.

Look at black comedians. 90% of their act is either making fun of themselves or white people.

[Illmatic]

I apologize, guys. He doesn't speak for all of us.

[Amit]

...Wow.

[6stringslinger]

Ebony And Ivory Live Together In Perfect Harmony
Side By Side On My Piano Keyboard, Oh Lord, Why Don't We?

We All Know That People Are The Same Where Ever We Go
There Is Good And Bad In Ev'ryone,
We Learn To Live, We Learn To Give
Each Other What We Need To Survive Together Alive.

Ebony And Ivory Live Together In Perfect Harmony
Side By Side On My Piano Keyboard, Oh Lord Why Don't We?

Ebony, Ivory Living In Perfect Harmony
Ebony, Ivory, Ooh

We All Know That People Are The Same Where Ever We Go
There Is Good And Bad In Ev'ryone,
We Learn To Live, We Learn To Give
Each Other What We Need To Survive Together Alive.

Ebony And Ivory Live Together In Perfect Harmony
Side By Side On My Piano Keyboard, Oh Lord Why Don't We?

Ebony, Ivory Living In Perfect Harmony (Repeat And Fade)

[Mr. Ron]

I have no problems with other races.



Well.....except for those good for nothing Klingons....

[YDload]

Personally I think some of MX's best users aren't white.

[The Profit of Maine]

Personally being black I find this offensive and unaceptable, I want to know if you agree or are you rasist to?Way to be ignant.

When I hear Jewish jokes (being a Jew), they come in two varieties: the money-loving miser kind, and the Nazis-****ed-your-ancestry kind. The first I can deal with and make them all the time. The second is purely insensitive and has no value in terms of humor of any kind except where a sadist is concerned.

Some things aren't there to be taken seriously. Try recognizing them and enjoy life a bit more.

[Amit]

Ebony And Ivory Live Together In Perfect Harmony
Side By Side On My Piano Keyboard, Oh Lord, Why Don't We?

We All Know That People Are The Same Where Ever We Go
There Is Good And Bad In Ev'ryone,
We Learn To Live, We Learn To Give
Each Other What We Need To Survive Together Alive.

Ebony And Ivory Live Together In Perfect Harmony
Side By Side On My Piano Keyboard, Oh Lord Why Don't We?

Ebony, Ivory Living In Perfect Harmony
Ebony, Ivory, Ooh

We All Know That People Are The Same Where Ever We Go
There Is Good And Bad In Ev'ryone,
We Learn To Live, We Learn To Give
Each Other What We Need To Survive Together Alive.

Ebony And Ivory Live Together In Perfect Harmony
Side By Side On My Piano Keyboard, Oh Lord Why Don't We?

Ebony, Ivory Living In Perfect Harmony (Repeat And Fade)

Ebony and Ivory...That's great, but what about Mocha? >:[

[Illmatic]

Personally I think some of MX's best users aren't white.

There are like five minority MXers.

Ebony and ivory...That's great, but what about Mocha? >:[

Go put on a turban...bitch.

[Zmev]

Ebony and Ivory...That's great, but what about Mocha? >:[

Frappachino? Those are good too.

[Amit]

Go put on a turban...bitch.

Only after you steal me a new television.

Do you wanna go get some white chicks afterwards? :h5: :-D

[Det_Nosnip]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carn
the only things Africans can grip are bags of rice and the bags of sugar they need to haul down my plantation.

HAHAHAHAHA.

so I said this "you rasist bastard why dont you shut the **** up and think before you say somthing like that" im was venting some anger at that point but still...
Carn was just horsing around...he's not actually a racist, he just has a very odd sense of humor.


Racist jokes are very popular today... For a group of African Americans to make a joke about a white guy, or the other way around, isn't unusual... Although posting such a joke on a public forum like MF should not be done, because of the different races, etc. that are here...
That's just it...the fact that there are different races here should not affect whether it is right or not.


Personally being black I find this offensive and unaceptable, I want to know if you agree or are you rasist to?

That's right: agree with me, or YOU'RE A RACIST!! :evil:

Nice debate you've got there. :rolleyes:

[6stringslinger]

Featuring L.T.B. & Slash
Written and Composed By Michael Jackson
Rap Lyrics by Bill Bottrell

Took my baby
On a saturday bang
Boy is that girl with you
Yes we're one and the same
Now I believe in miracles
And a miracle
Has happened tonight

But, if
You're thinkin'
About my baby
It don't matter if you'reBlack Or White Black or white

They print my message
In the saturday sun
I had to tell them
I ain't second to none

And I told about equality
An it's true
Either you're wrong
Or you're right

But, if
You're thinkin'
About my baby
It don't matter if you're
Black or white

I am tired of this devil
I am tired of this stuff
I am tired of this business
Sew when the
Going gets rough
I ain't scared of
Your brother
I ain't scared of no sheets
I ain't scared of nobody
Girl when the
Goin' gets mean

(L.T.B)
Protection
For gangs, clubs,
And nations
Causing grief in
Human relations
It's a turf war
On a global scale
I'd rather hear both sides
Of the tale
See, it's not about races
Just places
Faces
Where your blood
Comes from
Is where your space is
I've seen the bright
Get duller
I'm not going to spend
My life being a color

Don't tell me you agree
With me
When I saw you
Kicking dirt in my eye

But, if
You're thinkin'
About my baby
It don't matter if you're
Black or white

I said if
You're thinkin' of
Being my baby
It don't matter if you're
Black or white

I said if
You're thinkin' of
Being my brother
It don't matter if you're
Black or white

Ooh, ooh
Yea, yea, yea now
Ooh, ooh
Yea, yea, yea now

It's black, it's white
It's tough for them
To get by
It's black , it's white, whoo

It's black, it's white
It's tough for them
To get by
It's black , it's white, whoo

[YDload]

There are like five minority MXers.

And there are about ten really good MXers. Sounds like a fair distribution to me.

Actually I couldn't think of anyone but you and Amit, but it will have to do!

[Mr. Ron]

Only after you steal me a new television.

Do you wanna go get some white chicks afterwards? :h5: :-D
STOP POLLUTING MY PURE WHITE WOMEN YOU PAKI.

[TheDMV]

And there are about ten really good MXers. Sounds like a fair distribution to me.

Actually I couldn't think of anyone but you and Amit, but it will have to do!

This post exposes the truth.(!)

[dilettante]

Racist jokes are only funny when all parties involved know it's a joke. Comedians can make jokes about race because the people watching them know they're jokes. But most people aren't comedians (no matter how funny they think they are), so I can see how it could come off as just stupid racist quack.

It's completely understandable that one would take offense to them. I believe, however, it's pointless to make topics like this because it doesn't solve anything. Racism and racist jokes are never going to suddenly disappear. The only thing left is to desensitize yourself and laugh.

[Illmatic]

Only after you steal me a new television.

Do you wanna go get some white chicks afterwards? :h5: :-D

I'm down with that

And if I get shot you can always just perform surgery on me to get the bullets out

(wait, that's an Indian [stfu i know i know] stereotype, right? That they all go to med school and become surgeons?)

Actually I couldn't think of anyone but you and Amit, but it will have to do!

Hurray!

[Mr. Ron]

Hmm....how can we slavage this thread into meaningful banter......

[Amit]

I'm down with that

And if I get shot you can always just perform surgery on me to get the bullets out

(wait, that's an Indian [stfu i know i know] stereotype, right? That they all go to med school and become surgeons?)

:cool:

This is the breakdown:

The ones who are good at math become engineers.

The ones who aren't become doctors.

The ones who are lazy/stupid become pharmacists.

:-D

[The Profit of Maine]

STOP POLLUTING MY PURE WHITE WOMEN YOU PAKI.
Don't joke around with no Indian with those words; they'll cut your eyes out and feed 'em to charmed snakes.

Wait . . .

[Illmatic]

Or they open convenience stores.

[The Profit of Maine]

Or they open convenience stores.
I could use a Slurpee.

[Otherside]

I see how it is YD :'(

On the topic of racist humor:

If it's funny, who cares? If you seriously are offended by racist jokes, take a step back and breathe. Then try and understand that, more than likely, the person telling the joke doesn't really believe in the stereotype the joke portrays.

It's all in good fun.

[Illmatic]

I see how it is YD :'(

On the topic of racist humor:

If it's funny, who cares? If you seriously are offended by racist jokes, take a step back and breathe. Then try and understand that, more than likely, the person telling the joke doesn't really believe in the stereotype the joke portrays.

It's all in good fun.

Ohhh yeah, I forgot that you were a spic.

By which I mean, a valued, contributing Hispanic member of society. I wouldn't want anyone to get offended.

[dilettante]

Hmm....how can we slavage this thread into meaningful banter......
Slavage?
SLAVES?!
You mother****er.

[Mr. Ron]

Don't joke around with no Indian with those words; they'll cut your eyes out and feed 'em to charmed snakes.

Wait . . .
/ http://i1.tinypic.com/n37olk.jpg

[MAthiAS]

Look at black comedians. 90% of their act is either making fun of themselves or white people.
And 90% of their acts aren't funny at all...


If it's funny, who cares? If you seriously are offended by racist jokes, take a step back and breathe. Then try and understand that, more than likely, the person telling the joke doesn't really believe in the stereotype the joke portrays.
Yeah.

People often get way more offended by a racist/sexist/etc. joke than making fun of an individual's faults not caused by nucleotides. Weird.

[Illmatic]

So where the threadstarter at?

[Mr. Ron]

Slavage?
SLAVES?!
You mother****er.
Hey, what do you call an old black guy in a field?



































......RUSTY FARM EQUIPMENT!

[The Profit of Maine]

So where the threadstarter at?
He had to make a deal.
/ http://i1.tinypic.com/n37olk.jpg
refl

[Otherside]

Ohhh yeah, I forgot that you were a spic.

By which I mean, a valued, contributing Hispanic member of society. I wouldn't want anyone to get offended.

Hey meng, ju better watch out, i fukin cut ju nigga ***

Err, I mean, please Mr. African-American sir, refrain from possibly engaging in conflict with me, seeing as there is no need for violence here.

[Amit]

Or they open convenience stores.

Those are Pakistanis :angry:

[Ugoff]

Personally, racist Mexican jokes don't bother me anymore. It just rolls off my back. I do agree though that people should be more sensitive to what they say.

[The Profit of Maine]

Those are Pakistanis :angry:
So that's why those guys at 7-11 were pissed at my Tsunami joke. Wait, what were we talking about?

[Canadian_Drummer]

haha guess what Im not even black, I was just curoius on what everyones reactions would be :lol:

[Illmatic]

Those are Pakistanis :angry:

Eh, you all look the same to me :p

Hey meng, ju better watch out, i fukin cut ju nigga ***

Err, I mean, please Mr. African-American sir, refrain from possibly engaging in conflict with me, seeing as there is no need for violence here.

check out this punk-*** mutha****in spic bitch. you watch out befo i get my gat.

[6stringslinger]

We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So lets start giving
Theres a choice we're making
We're saving out own lives
its true we'll make a better day
Just you and me

Send them your heart so they'll know that someone cares
And their lives will be stronger and free
As God has shown us by turning stones to brend
So we all must lend a helping hand

Chorus:
We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So lets start giving
Theres a choice we're making
We're saving out own lives
its true we'll make a better day
Just you and me

When you're down and out, there seems no hope at all
But if you just believe theres no way we can fall
Let us realize that a change can only come
When we stand together as one

Chorus:
We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So lets start giving
Theres a choice we're making
We're saving out own lives
its true we'll make a better day
Just you and me

[Illmatic]

haha guess what Im not even black, I was just curoius on what everyones reactions would be :lol:

I can't believe the number of white boys out there who wish they were black.

I can't blame 'em none, but I can't believe they embarass themselves this much.

[Mr. Ron]

I can't believe the number of white boys out there who wish they were black.

I can't blame 'em none, but I can't believe they embarass themselves this much.
Wiggers are very sad individuals.

[YDload]

I can't believe the number of white boys out there who wish they were black.

I can't blame 'em none, but I can't believe they embarass themselves this much.

Well this IS a musician forum (ostensibly), and anyone who doesn't think they would be better at their instrument (especially bassists like me) if they were black is deluding themselves. John Petrucci might be able to play sweeping arpeggios at 220 bpm, but he has less groove than a worn-out LP of "Don't Stop Believing" from a wedding reception DJ.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

What happened when the skinhead threw an orange at the synagouge?









All the juice ran out. (think phonetically)

[Mr. Ron]

What happened when the skinhead threw an orange at the synagouge?









All the juice ran out. (think phonetically)
heehehehhee

[Illmatic]

Well this IS a musician forum (ostensibly), and anyone who doesn't think they would be better at their instrument (especially bassists like me) if they were black is deluding themselves. John Petrucci might be able to play sweeping arpeggios at 220 bpm, but he has less groove than a worn-out LP of "Don't Stop Believing" from a wedding reception DJ.

Hey, we all know that metal was created by a bunch of white guys who were angry because they couldn't dance :p

[Mr. Ron]

Hey, we all know that metal was created by a bunch of white guys who were angry because they couldn't dance :p
Heyyyyy I can sorta dance. :(

[RIP Ian Curtis]

That's the reason that hip-hop will lose it's grip on the charts and slowly die. The reason rock & roll has lasted so long is that white people can dance to it.

[Iskandar]

/ http://i1.tinypic.com/n37olk.jpg
Why did it have to be snakes? I hate snakes!

[Illmatic]

That's the reason that hip-hop will lose it's grip on the charts and slowly die. The reason rock & roll has lasted so long is that white people can dance to it.

Hey, not if we keep making babies.

Shoot, if they ban abortion it's all over. That's the only birth control black people know about.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

True, but you blacks are being out-bred by meskins. So maybe mariachi is the future.

[Mr. Ron]

Why did it have to be snakes? I hate snakes!
Jones is one of the few heros I have.

[Illmatic]

True, but you blacks are being out-bred by meskins. So maybe mariachi is the future.

Naw, that terrible half-rap half-latino daddy yankee **** will soon rise

[RIP Ian Curtis]

Man those movies are great. Totally politically incorrect, when I begin to direct, I really hope I can capture some of that spirit.

[Otherside]

Naw, that terrible half-rap half-latino daddy yankee **** will soon rise

You didn't just go there >:\

[RIP Ian Curtis]

Naw, that terrible half-rap half-latino daddy yankee **** will soon rise



Say it ain't so man, if that gets on the international charts, I am joining al'quida.

[Illmatic]

You didn't just go there >:\

What are you gonna do, throw some beans at me?

[Otherside]

What are you gonna do, throw some beans at me?

You'll be lucky if that's all I do >:/

[Illmatic]

You'll be lucky if that's all I do >:/

so you're gonna move up to the heavier stuff? you gonna dump some chile on me?

[mcmurray]

Wiggers are very sad individuals.
that's a stereotype i'll go with.

[Amit]

so you're gonna move up to the heavier stuff? you gonna dump some chile on me?

Before we know it, he'll start raking the leaves off my porch :-O

[RIP Ian Curtis]

Is it still a sterotype though? I mean saying wiggers are sad is like saying blacks have dark skin.

[mcmurray]

Is it still a sterotype though? I mean saying wiggers are sad is like saying blacks have dark skin.
that's true. I guess not all wiggers are sad, some might be happy I guess. Pathetic is more like it.

[metalkingtiger]

I've been treated good on MX, and any joke or something because of my nationality or whatever I can take because frankly it's the internet and I don't put too much thought on what people say in it.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

I don't mind racist jokes, but then again, I'm white Irish so nothing to really burn me about, coz Irish jokes are all kinda old.

[Amit]

oh i know something that'll burn you

THE SUN

[ghettoeddo]

what do you call a chinese man that just got host?

cappuccino :]

we all know the whites treated other minorities unfairly, but that isn't justification for us to hit em back for centuries of injustice, because wer'e becoming exactly what we advocate against.
if whites aren't allowed to poke fun at minorities, then us minorities shouldn't be allowed to poke fun at them either. DOWN WITH THE DOUBLE STANDARDS I SAY!
and when i say poke fun, i mean like hardcore poking fun. casual joking is alright.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

oh i know something that'll burn you

THE SUN


aww man, I got cosmically pwned.

[Amit]

its ok i'm the son of two dermatologists we need your people's business as badly as you need our healing services

[YDload]

we all know the whites treated other minorities unfairly, but that isn't justification for us to hit em back for centuries of injustice, because wer'e becoming exactly what we advocate against.
if whites aren't allowed to poke fun at minorities, then us minorities shouldn't be allowed to poke fun at them either. DOWN WITH THE DOUBLE STANDARDS I SAY!
and when i say poke fun, i mean like hardcore poking fun. casual joking is alright.

It's not really a double standard because minority groups come from such a completely different perspective than the majority, ruling ethnicity that there's nothing wrong at all about it. When white people were putting on minstrel shows and stuff in the past centuries, it was kinda demeaning. And there wasn't much black people could do about it because they had the worst of everything. Now when white guys act all corny trying to imitate hip-hop slang and culture for the amusement of all, it's just kinda silly. Because really, don't they still have it all as a people?

[Led-ZeppelinIV]

You sure as hell weren't being oversensitive. Jokes are okay to a point but what he said was way the **** out of line.

[Illmatic]

The reason why black people aren't ok with white people "poking fun" at us is because when we do it with each other we know we're kidding around, but if a white person makes a "black guy-as-a-criminal" joke, so many white people actually feel that way that we can't really find it funny.

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

I just don't think most racist jokes are funny. I'm not offended by them or anything; I just think they're not funny

[PepsiMetal]

That's not rascist. There are more than enough white jokes as well. And most of the time most complaint is when black jokes are made. Seriously, it's same thing, it's a J-O-K-E. Plus it's freakin internet. lol

[comptonassrobert]

Well this IS a musician forum (ostensibly), and anyone who doesn't think they would be better at their instrument (especially bassists like me) if they were black is deluding themselves. John Petrucci might be able to play sweeping arpeggios at 220 bpm, but he has less groove than a worn-out LP of "Don't Stop Believing" from a wedding reception DJ.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5313639281780987096&q=victor+wooten

Fastforward to about 2:00. Goddamn I wish I could groove like that.

[YDload]

I will never be no Wooten. Or Collins, or Jamerson, or Graham, or Clarke... etc.

[ATC]

Is it still a sterotype though? I mean saying wiggers are sad is like saying blacks have dark skin.

I don't see how that's even remotely true.
Why are wiggers 'sad'?

PS: The early 90s want the word 'wigger' back.

[pooble]

racism is like saying "racism is for the j00s"

[Otherside]

so you're gonna move up to the heavier stuff? you gonna dump some chile on me?

Nah I think that would be going too easy on you still!


Before we know it, he'll start raking the leaves off my porch :-O


Well, that depends.


How well do you pay?

[MegaPhony]

I do not support racism in any way shape or form.
I personally don't appreciate the fact that it is nearly impossible for a black to be racist. Cracka, whitey NEVER attract the same negative attention as a slur directed towards a black person, now why? Blacks aren't a minority, and I don't think any blacks living now are slaves. They are words, if someone is posting it on a message board or joking around, it's not racism as far as I see. If someone says it in a derogatory or demeaning way, then you can be insulted, but innocent jokes doesn't mean an entire forum is racist.

[YDload]

What do you mean, blacks aren't a minority? They make up twelve percent of the US population.

[italic zero]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5313639281780987096&q=victor+wooten

Fastforward to about 2:00. Goddamn I wish I could groove like that.
Haha the entire audience is white.

[EightMilesHigh]

So where the threadstarter at?

Hehe.

Personally, I think TS is blowing things out or proportion. It's a joke, don't take things you read in the pit seriously.

Joke:
A joke is a short story or short series of words spoken or communicated with the intent of being laughed at or found humorous by the listener or reader. A practical joke differs in that the humour is not verbal, but mainly visual (e.g. putting a custard pie in somebody's face).

Most jokes contain two components: joke setup (for example, "A man walks into a bar...") and a punchline, which, when juxtaposed with the setup, provides the necessary irony to elicit laughter from the audience.

Plus, no-one would get upset if it was a white joke. Everyone makes those.


Then again, I am a honkey. >.> <.<

[seanman99]

Nevermind me.....(Edited)

[YDload]

What i don't get is that Blacks (not african-americans apparently according to a black teamate of mine) can makes jokes about whites but when whitey makes a joke about the Black man its so rasicts.

Of course you don't understand, you haven't read the thread. How do I know this? Because it's been explained several times!

[seanman99]

Of course you don't understand, you haven't read the thread. How do I know this? Because it's been explained several times!

Lol sorry i read it right after the post.

Caught me red-handed.

[EightMilesHigh]

Man those movies are great. Totally politically incorrect, when I begin to direct, I really hope I can capture some of that spirit.

They truly are great. The new one is supposedly coming out this year, I hear it might be about Atlantis :-o

Those are Pakistanis :angry:

Same....thing?

[Amit]

No, Pakistanis are way hairier >:[

[BassRevelation1029]

oh i know something that'll burn you

THE SUN
not if you're black :p

[Amit]

yeah but i was talking about the irish

[Reaganista]

dude i hate minorities so much they're always either begging for change and playing loud music or going to engineering classes and speaking with accents

not the same minorities

[Amit]

yeah man don't even get me started on white people

[Reaganista]

no i hate white people too but i dont think i was talking about them

[Amit]

oh ok white people are the minority in my town and at my university too

[Doop]

because white people suck at reproducing good

[Amit]

nah because they suck at getting admitted to jhu even when the asians are the one with the negative handicap

but they do suck at reproducing good

[Doop]

dem negros keep on stealin my white wimin

[Judas Iscariot]

I don't really care. I make jokes about other races all the time because you know what? They're making jokes about white people too. I couldn't really care less about being PC. If a Mexican gang banger comes up to me and calls me a punk-*** gringo, which has happened numerous times but it's to be expected in my town, I'll get right back up against them and call them a ****-smeared spic. If someone can't handle that, too bad. That's real life.

[Amit]

so jared why do you hate rich people

[Judas Iscariot]

so jared why do you hate rich people

I dislike the rich because the only members of a rich family that actually work for what they have are the first generation. The following generations after that are born with a silver spoon in their mouth, take their money for granted and give nothing back to the lower class that their family originally came from. They fund their big corporations and outsource for their own financial benefit and leave the working man to starve in the streets. Last week there were over 200 people lined up outside the methodist church just a couple blocks from my home for food boxes and donations. My own family is on food stamps. The job market here in Oregon alone shrinks every year due to outsourcing and manual labor positions being mechanized. If you go to downtown Portland there are more homeless shelters than you can shake a finger at. That, Amit, is why I don't like rich people.

[Doop]

Have you got around to vandalizing that rich gated community yet?

[Judas Iscariot]

Have you got around to vandalizing that rich gated community yet?

No. :(

My crew is a bunch of fags and I haven't wanted to roll with them for a while now.

[Doop]

No. :(

My crew is a bunch of fags and I haven't wanted to roll with them for a while now.
Shame :(
The revolution shall come, some time.

[Riva]

I'm a minority.

Australia's population is only 1/13th of the US.

[Amit]

I dislike the rich because the only members of a rich family that actually work for what they have are the first generation.

it's really easy to think that but boy oh boy it usually never ends up like that

The following generations after that are born with a silver spoon in their mouth, take their money for granted and give nothing back to the lower class that their family originally came from.

um yeah after my younger sister graduates my dad is going to build hospitals in india

and everyone i know donates mad cashmoneyflow to charities

They fund their big corporations and outsource for their own financial benefit and leave the working man to starve in the streets.

outsourcing sucks but once one company does it, everyone else has to do it or else the working man will starve anyway

[Riva]

Ooooh you cannot reach me now
Ooooh no matter how you try
Goodbye cruel world it's over
Walk on by
Sitting in a bunker here behind my wall
Waiting for the worms to come
In perfect isolation here behind my wall
Waiting for the worms to come
Waiting to cut out the deadwood
Waiting to clean up the city
Waiting to follow the worms
Waiting to put on a black shirt
Waiting to weed out the weaklings
Waiting to smash in their windows
And kick in their doors
Waiting for the final solution
To strengthen the strain
Waiting to follow the worms
Waiting to turn on the showers and fire the ovens
Waiting for the queers and the coons
And the reds and the Jews
Waiting to follow the worms
Would you like to see Britannia
Rule again my friend
All you have to do is follow the worms
Would you like to send our coloured cousins
Home again my friend
All you need to do is follow the worms.

\m/

[EightMilesHigh]

Australia's population is only 1/13th of the US.

And probably 1/4th the weight! Zing!

[Britney Diva]

it's really easy to think that but boy oh boy it usually never ends up like that



um yeah after my younger sister graduates my dad is going to build hospitals in india

and everyone i know donates mad cashmoneyflow to charities



outsourcing sucks but once one company does it, everyone else has to do it or else the working man will starve anyway
Philantropowned.

[pooble]

\m/

hah pinkfloyd pwns too much

[thickasabrick]

I really don't like racism, but I see it all the time. Personally, I think it'll be a long time until the world sees the end of racism. Truthfully though, I think white people hate just as many other white people as they do black people and other races. Racist people usually just plain don't like other human beings, and they tend to use colour to try to validate their hatred. People like that piss me off.

I'm a whitey, so I've never really experienced what most minorities have experienced...but there are parts of my province where white people are definitely outnumbered by native american people. Especially near and around the reserves, like where my cottage is. Out there I'm a minority, but I've never actually experienced being treated disrespectfully purely for my whiteness (I think).

I think we could all benefit from a little Bob Dylan right now too...

Only a Pawn In Their Game
A bullet from the back of a bush took Medgar Evers' blood.
A finger fired the trigger to his name.
A handle hid out in the dark
A hand set the spark
Two eyes took the aim
Behind a man's brain
But he can't be blamed
He's only a pawn in their game.

A South politician preaches to the poor white man,
"You got more than the blacks, don't complain.
You're better than them, you been born with white skin," they explain.
And the Negro's name
Is used it is plain
For the politician's gain
As he rises to fame
And the poor white remains
On the caboose of the train
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a pawn in their game.

The deputy sheriffs, the soldiers, the governors get paid,
And the marshals and cops get the same,
But the poor white man's used in the hands of them all like a tool.
He's taught in his school
From the start by the rule
That the laws are with him
To protect his white skin
To keep up his hate
So he never thinks straight
'Bout the shape that he's in
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a pawn in their game.

From the poverty shacks, he looks from the cracks to the tracks,
And the hoof beats pound in his brain.
And he's taught how to walk in a pack
Shoot in the back
With his fist in a clinch
To hang and to lynch
To hide 'neath the hood
To kill with no pain
Like a dog on a chain
He ain't got no name
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a pawn in their game.

Today, Medgar Evers was buried from the bullet he caught.
They lowered him down as a king.
But when the shadowy sun sets on the one
That fired the gun
He'll see by his grave
On the stone that remains
Carved next to his name
His epitaph plain:
Only a pawn in their game.

[metalkingtiger]

I don't really care. I make jokes about other races all the time because you know what? They're making jokes about white people too. I couldn't really care less about being PC. If a Mexican gang banger comes up to me and calls me a punk-*** gringo, which has happened numerous times but it's to be expected in my town, I'll get right back up against them and call them a ****-smeared spic. If someone can't handle that, too bad. That's real life.



Someone called me a spic once when i was in Georgia. What does it mean?

[BassRevelation1029]

Im gonna assume you're serious. A spic is a derogatory name for a hispanic/mexican.

[Otherside]

Someone called me a spic once when i was in Georgia. What does it mean?

It's the same as calling a black person a ******.

Punch them in the face next time they do it.

[Sargent sausage]

I dislike the rich because the only members of a rich family that actually work for what they have are the first generation. The following generations after that are born with a silver spoon in their mouth, take their money for granted and give nothing back to the lower class that their family originally came from. They fund their big corporations and outsource for their own financial benefit and leave the working man to starve in the streets. Last week there were over 200 people lined up outside the methodist church just a couple blocks from my home for food boxes and donations. My own family is on food stamps. The job market here in Oregon alone shrinks every year due to outsourcing and manual labor positions being mechanized. If you go to downtown Portland there are more homeless shelters than you can shake a finger at. That, Amit, is why I don't like rich people.


this is why we need a communist style revolution.

Workers of the world must unite and hang the capitalists and then only socialist paradise will be achieved.

[Illmatic]

this is why we need a communist style revolution.

Workers of the world must unite and hang the capitalists and then only socialist paradise will be achieved.

and then we'd call be screwed

[ghettoeddo]

socialism on a global scale is impossible.
communism**

[+3kk!]

i am racist, hahahahahh...............RACIST, but only to one race for now.

[spitfirejunky]

I apologize, guys. He doesn't speak for all of us.

:lol:

[Led-ZeppelinIV]

I dislike the rich because the only members of a rich family that actually work for what they have are the first generation. The following generations after that are born with a silver spoon in their mouth, take their money for granted and give nothing back to the lower class that their family originally came from. They fund their big corporations and outsource for their own financial benefit and leave the working man to starve in the streets. Last week there were over 200 people lined up outside the methodist church just a couple blocks from my home for food boxes and donations. My own family is on food stamps. The job market here in Oregon alone shrinks every year due to outsourcing and manual labor positions being mechanized. If you go to downtown Portland there are more homeless shelters than you can shake a finger at. That, Amit, is why I don't like rich people.
You're basing that completely on stereotypes. What about rich people who actually do give back?

And besides, making broad generalizations and advocating hatred towards a group of people simply based on financial status is just as classist as anything you described above.

[Jawaharal]

How does the mexican national anthem begin? Attention K-mart shoppers...

heard that one today, even chuckled a little.

[pooble]

this is why we need a communist style revolution.

Workers of the world must unite and hang the capitalists and then only socialist paradise will be achieved.

gosh. and thats only a 7th post..

[darksoul]

I dislike the rich because the only members of a rich family that actually work for what they have are the first generation. The following generations after that are born with a silver spoon in their mouth, take their money for granted and give nothing back to the lower class that their family originally came from. They fund their big corporations and outsource for their own financial benefit and leave the working man to starve in the streets. Last week there were over 200 people lined up outside the methodist church just a couple blocks from my home for food boxes and donations. My own family is on food stamps. The job market here in Oregon alone shrinks every year due to outsourcing and manual labor positions being mechanized. If you go to downtown Portland there are more homeless shelters than you can shake a finger at. That, Amit, is why I don't like rich people.

That's a bad argument IMO. You have money right? If you feel so bad for those in poverty, sell everything you own(and i mean everything) and donate all the money you have to charity....not so easy is it?
Sure, you ll say...but they are rich! they have millions of dollars. I agree with that, but the first generation worked for the 2nd and 3rd, like how your father would give you everything that he could. So theres that factor.
You are also forgetting about illegal immigrants. They usually leave with nothing, its normal that they arrive with nothing. If they enter a country illegally and they are poor, is that a reason to hate those that are wealthy? You go to school, you get a job so you can become wealthy. If you are so against wealthyness, become a missionary or take a low paying job. You cant hate the "rich" for something so pointless. Unless you're a commie....:wave:

[Mr. Ron]

this is why we need a communist style revolution.

Workers of the world must unite and hang the capitalists and then only socialist paradise will be achieved.
hahahhahaahahhahahahahhahahahaha.

Face it, you don't like rich people because you're jealous of what they have. Do you also know that the majority of people that would be considered "rich" in the United States are in the middle class? So you'd be hanging your beloved workers.

[Get Fighted]

To be honest a slightly racist joke now and then isnt too bad, as long as no-one is offended. But plain racism shouldnt be tolerated.

[ChickenStu]

To be honest a slightly racist joke now and then isnt too bad, as long as no-one is offended. But plain racism shouldnt be tolerated.

Nowhere in the constitution does it say we have the right to not be offended. This is a concept a lot of people now a days do not grasp at all. It does however, give the right of free speech.

Given, offensive speech is not always protected by the constitution, but generally is. However, on a message board such as this it is the discretion of the owner/operater or anyone in charge.

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

Nowhere in the constitution does it say we have the right to not be offended. This is a concept a lot of people now a days do not grasp at all. It does however, give the right of free speech.

um he's english

explains the eurocommie attitude tho

[ChickenStu]

um he's english

explains the eurocommie attitude tho

Heh heh, sorry. But if you ever get to america, feel free to exercise free speach, although we might throw some dental and food jokes your way. :thumb:

[deathscreamingsheep]

Heh heh, sorry. But if you ever get to america, feel free to exercise free speach, although we might throw some dental and food jokes your way. :thumb:

It'll be alright for me. I have perfect teeth and like the food. I've always wanted to stand on a podium somewhere and spout insults for about an hour or so though... hmmm... maybe I should consider moving (especially considering the current Labour government's new ideas).

[xKONRADx]

Personally being black I find this offensive and unaceptable, I want to know if you agree or are you rasist to?[/QUOTE]


I think the response by DM is worse than Tang because DM sounds reasonable but misses the main point. Why spread negativity? Is it ok to tell jokes like this to your white kids? I mean they arent black, it doesnt effect them. or does it.?

be the change you want in the world. -ghandi... i think

i

[TojesDolan]

I haven't really had bad experiences with racism. I suppose the rules are either pretty clear, or I'm not that worried to read about being mistreated for my human condition.

[gregulus]

this is why we need a communist style revolution.

Workers of the world must unite and hang the capitalists and then only socialist paradise will be achieved.
Hahahaha.

Get out of here.

[Iscariot]

I like how so many people in here say, "lolo u just h8 rich peeps cuz u got no money and ur jealous hay look at ma bills yo lololo" when most of you have never been impoverished or had to live on the street for any amount of time and have no actual concept of the mindset involved in the arguments for a communistic state.

Go drive your BMWs though and I'll continue to fight for equality.

[Mr. Ron]

I like how so many people in here say, "lolo u just h8 rich peeps cuz u got no money and ur jealous hay look at ma bills yo lololo" when most of you have never been impoverished or had to live on the street for any amount of time and have no actual concept of the mindset involved in the arguments for a communistic state.

Go drive your BMWs though and I'll continue to fight for equality.
It does involve a certain degree of jealousy. Admit it. You wish you had a big house, nice cars and a sufficiant amount of money to keep you economically safe for the rest of your life.

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

Go drive your BMWs though and I'll continue to fight for *equality.*tyranny of the state

[Iscariot]

It does involve a certain degree of jealousy. Admit it. You wish you had a big house, nice cars and a sufficiant amount of money to keep you economically safe for the rest of your life.

Actually I don't. If I weren't working every day and busting my balls to get by, I would be very uncomfortable tbqh. I have no desire to be rich because all money does is spark elitism and greed and that's something I was taught to fight against ever since I was little.

[Mr. Ron]

Actually I don't. If I weren't working every day and busting my balls to get by, I would be very uncomfortable tbqh. I have no desire to be rich because all money does is spark elitism and greed and that's something I was taught to fight against ever since I was little.
Ummm, I know a lot of well off people and they are some of the nicest people I have ever met. I personally do not think money ultimately corrupts a person, but the person themselves are already corrupted before they get the money. Plus, the majority of people who would be considered "rich" or well off are in the middle-upper middle class, not the upper 2%. So odds are they are still working for their money.

But you can't tell me that you wouldn't want to be well off.

[Iscariot]

Ummm, I know a lot of well off people and they are some of the nicest people I have ever met. I personally do not think money ultimately corrupts a person, but the person themselves are already corrupted before they get the money. Plus, the majority of people who would be considered "rich" or well off are in the middle-upper middle class, not the upper 2%. So odds are they are still working for their money.

I'd like to see some facts to back this up, because it smells like a load of horse **** to me.

But you can't tell me that you wouldn't want to be well off.

Funny, I'm pretty sure I already did.

[Drummer Freak 911]

i get told i cant play drums cuz im hawaiin
it dont bother me tho

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

I have no desire to be rich because all money does is spark elitism and greed and that's something I was taught to fight against ever since I was little.Elitism is a rather vague and over-used word. In this country, at least, it's used quite unfairly. Differences are not always a bad thing. If everyone is brought down to the same level, what do we have to aspire to?

Still, it seems strange that economic security and well-being is neccessarily tied to 'greed and elitism'. Did your parents somehow instil in you that working low-end jobs is preferable to being, for example, a doctor?
when most of you have never been impoverished or had to live on the street for any amount of time and have no actual concept of the mindset involved in the arguments for a communistic state.

Go drive your BMWs though and I'll continue to fight for equality.You don't need to be impoverished to understand the arguments for a communist state, I'm sure. Perhaps Danish can clarify this.

Oh, and when I'm passing through it'll be in the 10 year-old Peugeuot with a dent in the boot.

Here's another question: how would you change your country to establish the state of affairs you desire?

[Mr. Ron]

I'd like to see some facts to back this up, because it smells like a load of horse **** to me.



Funny, I'm pretty sure I already did.
Well, the middle class determines what is produced in a market economy and in a market economy the middle class which will control the means and factors of production is inevitable. The middle class is between the workers and the very rich. This gives them the perfect place to grow because the middle class, is, the majority of the families in the United states. The largest group of people in the US is the upper and lower middle classes, which on average make about $75,000 a year, they own the majority of businesses in the US. So, the majority of capital, factors of production and profit comes from the middle class which make them the controling force in a capitalist economy.

[spitfirejunky]

Every single rich person I met was a prick. From personal experience, I can only agree with Iscariot, although I don't have the slightest doubt in my mind that there are cool rich people.

[Illmatic]

when most of you have never been impoverished or had to live on the street for any amount of time

ever heard of Cabrini-Green?

[Amit]

I'd like to see some facts to back this up, because it smells like a load of horse **** to me.

oh ok so i guess it's totally cool to make sweeping generalizations about people with more money than you but i can't say that all poor people are lazy, dull, worthless, and too stupid to do anything more than menial labour for the rest of their lives

especially in america where the oppourtunity to elevate your quality of life is higher than in any other place, provided you have the requisite drive, talent, and intelligence

doesn't sound too much like a double standard eh

I like how so many people in here say, "lolo u just h8 rich peeps cuz u got no money and ur jealous hay look at ma bills yo lololo" when most of you have never been impoverished or had to live on the street for any amount of time and have no actual concept of the mindset involved in the arguments for a communistic state.

Go drive your BMWs though and I'll continue to fight for equality.

i lived in some of the poorest countries in the world while you're bitching, moaning, and whining in america

jesus christ

[TojesDolan]

eh... What Amit said.

In terms of money, I suppose it gives you indeed a certain "back-up security" in terms of where you'll sleep, what you'll drive, what you'll do the next day, etc. and a long etc. However, greed and over-confidence isn't completely from those who have money. As Route 1 said somewhere, it's pretty rare to see real high-class people, who are very few. To be considered "wealthy" in general terms, you have to be middle-high class, and that's not really very difficult... you know, perseverance, hard work, whatever.

Nonetheless, I know plenty of people who aren't exactly wealthy, and throw a lot of sh¡t to other people, or try to make it very apparent they are rich people, say, wearing expensive clothes, or showing off their Gucci glasses. On the other side of the spectrum, I know some quite wealthy people who are very humble about it and don't really throw a lot of crap to others, and they are... well, humble about it.

It's all about perception.

[Amit]

99% of the truly rich people i know are the humblest people i know

[Mr. Ron]

The middle class determines a countries wealth. Period.

[YDload]

Exactly, the hierarchy is pyramid-shaped. There are fewer and fewer people, the higher up in income you go. So it only makes sense that there are more people in the upper-middle class level than at the top (although the topmost people still make more money).

[Cain]

Face it, you don't like rich people because you're jealous of what they have.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard anybody say about a political issue. Of course poor people want what rich people have. Rich people have the ability to control and administer huge amounts of resources that define whether a person's standard of living grows higher or lower. This is just kind of an oxymoronic insult. There's no pride in continuing to live in and wallowing in nothingness, so I don't understand why "being jealous of" or in other words coveting wealth, especially equally jealously hoarded wealth, can possibly be shameful or even an invalid argument against the rich. It's all about individual human decency: lots of wealthy folks just continue to enrich themselves based on the wealth they've already acquired, leading to ridiculous levels of super-richness while poverty grows more poor.

Just because they have the ability to enrich themselves to this degree doesn't mean they have the right. Just look at outsourcing. It's a prime example of the cheap alternative for big companies, allowing the big company names to enrich themselves more by utilizing foreign labor to produce goods equal if not better in quality than American-made products, allowing the CEOs to pocket a bit more money, and leaving American workers in the dust. When wealth is used selfishly and guarded jealously, there will be more people clamoring for a piece. That's the way it works in this society, and it's a perfectly valid argument against this kind of extreme self-enrichment.

[Mr. Ron]

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard anybody say about a political issue. Of course poor people want what rich people have. Rich people have the ability to control and administer huge amounts of resources that define whether a person's standard of living grows higher or lower. This is just kind of an oxymoronic insult. There's no pride in continuing to live in and wallowing in nothingness, so I don't understand why "being jealous of" or in other words coveting wealth, especially equally jealously hoarded wealth, can possibly be shameful or even an invalid argument against the rich. It's all about individual human decency: lots of wealthy folks just continue to enrich themselves based on the wealth they've already acquired, leading to ridiculous levels of super-richness while poverty grows more poor.

Just because they have the ability to enrich themselves to this degree doesn't mean they have the right. Just look at outsourcing. It's a prime example of the cheap alternative for big companies, allowing the big company names to enrich themselves more by utilizing foreign labor to produce goods equal if not better in quality than American-made products, allowing the CEOs to pocket a bit more money, and leaving American workers in the dust. When wealth is used selfishly and guarded jealously, there will be more people clamoring for a piece. That's the way it works in this society, and it's a perfectly valid argument against this kind of extreme self-enrichment.




People off all classes have the right to enrich thwemselves to the fullest extent. "The pursuit of happyness."

I do have a problem with some big companies outsourcing, I do not like it at all.

But what I was saying was, is that a lot of hate that is directed towards the wealthy is a result of a person of lower income wanting what they have.

[Drummer Freak 911]

i would like a c a rich person go one daying living like a middle class person :p

[Mr. Ron]

i would like a c a rich person go one daying living like a middle class person :p
It wouldn't be that hard since the majority of the middle class live pretty comfortably.

[PepsiMetal]

Most people want to be financially secure, but some rich bastards really act like jackasses cause they were born millionarres and didn't have to work a day in their life. Ugh.

I'd obviously want to be rich but not really to get all the goodies and drive fancy cars. More so, to have money in case there are health problems in family members, etc.. The important stuff.

[RNR]

i would like a c a rich person go one daying living like a middle class person :p


As long as it's only a day, i'm sure they wouldn't mind at all.

[Mr. Ron]

Most people want to be financially secure, but some rich bastards really act like jackasses cause they were born millionarres and didn't have to work a day in their life. Ugh.

I'd obviously want to be rich but not really to get all the goodies and drive fancy cars. More so, to have money in case there are health problems in family members, etc.. The important stuff.
I doubt there are many "rich" people who never work.


You wouldn;t want to buy yourself or anyone else in your family nice things if you got rich?

[Rats!]

Just because they have the ability to enrich themselves to this degree doesn't mean they have the right. Just look at outsourcing. It's a prime example of the cheap alternative for big companies, allowing the big company names to enrich themselves more by utilizing foreign labor to produce goods equal if not better in quality than American-made products, allowing the CEOs to pocket a bit more money, and leaving American workers in the dust.
And forcing American workers to become more competent in their field, so they can get a well-paying job. Only the idiots who think they can get by with putting minimal effort into their career will be left in the dust. Many of the IT guys where I work make $75k+ per year because they deserve it, and definitely wouldn't be making that much had our company not outsourced hundreds of positions to India.

[Cain]

And forcing American workers to become more competent in their field, so they can get a well-paying job. Only the idiots who think they can get by with putting minimal effort into their career will be left in the dust. Many of the IT guys where I work make $75k+ per year because they deserve it, and definitely wouldn't be making that much had our company not outsourced hundreds of positions to India.

To hold that attitude consigns a huge amount of our population to poverty. Even those with the highest level of resources in today's world can barely get what they deserve for all the effort they're expending: so many jobs require graduate school now that we spend more and more of our lives preparing for life, and then spending that much more of it working our way up. Don't you think that creates a lot of unneccesary stress, not to mention bad blood, amongst the working population in this country? How can we possibly call ourselves a wealthy, powerful nation if the country's finances are concentrated in the hands of a few corporate kingpins while the rest of the country languishes? You think that's what we deserve?

[Mr. Ron]

To hold that attitude consigns a huge amount of our population to poverty. Even those with the highest level of resources in today's world can barely get what they deserve for all the effort they're expending: so many jobs require graduate school now that we spend more and more of our lives preparing for life, and then spending that much more of it working our way up. Don't you think that creates a lot of unneccesary stress, not to mention bad blood, amongst the working population in this country? How can we possibly call ourselves a wealthy, powerful nation if the country's finances are concentrated in the hands of a few corporate kingpins while the rest of the country languishes? You think that's what we deserve?
The middle class will ultimately decide our country's economic standings, not the upper most rich.

[Illmatic]

i would like a c a rich person go one daying living like a middle class person :p

Location: Connecticut

Anyone else noticing the irony here?

[Britney Diva]

Location: Connecticut

Anyone else noticing the irony here?
Nah, if he was rich he'd be able to afford the word 'the'

[kevbud187]

ya you might have friends of a different race, but just because you do doesn't make it cool for you to call anyone with the same race as them harsh names and or make fun of them. I htink its best to avoid it completely because you can insult someone much more interestingly if you get off of race. Then again poeple who think that they are being discriminated against or use race as a handicap are gay and should die.

[Britney Diva]

ya you might have friends of a different race, but just because you do doesn't make it cool for you to call anyone with the same race as them harsh names and or make fun of them. I htink its best to avoid it completely because you can insult someone much more interestingly if you get off of race. Then again poeple who think that they are being discriminated against or use race as a handicap are gay and should die.
Down with racism, up with homophobia?

[kevbud187]

Down with racism, up with homophobia?

12and3

[Amit]

homophobia is for morons :-\

[Britney Diva]

homophobia is for morons :-\
and rich people :-D

[Mr. Ron]

homophobia is for morons :-\
Unless they touch you, that is.

[Amit]

and rich people :-D

hey i'm not homophobic




(still aint gunna let none of dem sodomites on my porch of eden though)

[Mekkalayakay]

I'm not homophobic at all I just can't stand quiet, emo gays. Personality clash. Everything clash. Only thing that doesn't clash are our penii.

But the loud, obnoxious homos. Good times.

[Mr. Ron]

I don't have a problem with gays. If they want to go and marry, then whatever. The only thing I get annoyed with is when they shove their "pride" in your face at times.

[Zoroaster]

Working on a daily basis with people from all across the globe I can unequivocally say that insofar as race is concerned, it's by and large a social construct. Smart people don't subscribe to race as a means by which social, demographic phenomena can be explained. Why? Because people are people, regardless of the colour of their skin. If you're going to excel in life, you want to be judged by your merits in isolation, not race, sexual orientation, or whatever petty label someone slaps on you. Politicians that advocate affirmative action only introduce new schemes of racial discrimination -- notwithstanding which ethnicity it benefits.

I say, if the government would just back off and let people do what they do best, interact in a fully-functioning voluntary market, discrimination would become peripheral while intellect and merit would be restored to the forefront. That's what I deal with every day and it's the best viable solution I can think of. Of course I welcome any alternative story.

Oh, and just as a digression, don't you find it funny how the very people that run on an agenda of racial superiority are the uneducated skum you'd least want to represent your "race"? Self-appointed bigots are the worst kind.

[halfdeadhippo]

Race itself is a biological thing, similar to different breeds of dogs. The way people treat other people, such as when they treat people of another race differently, is a social thing. Race shouldn't matter, socially, but people make it matter, if that makes sense.

[Britney Diva]

I don't have a problem with gays. If they want to go and marry, then whatever. The only thing I get annoyed with is when they shove their "pride" in your face at times.
Everybody shoves things in other people's faces; I don't know why the gays get such a bad rap.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

I think because they are so overtly sexual, it kinda offends some worthless people's tender sensibilities. Like gay pride rallys + Mardi Gras (in Australia) are very sexaul events, lots of bare flesh and the like, so I could see where the prudish would get offended. As for the quiet, reserved gays, they are actually very interesting people. All of them are smart, interesting guys, usually with a lot to say about things, if you let them. As for lesbians, well, quite frankly, I hate them. Not for any moral reason, just because every one I've met has been a nasty, foul smelling, evil bi'tch from hell (newsflash: lesbians like the ones on the internet only exist in one place. The internet). Bisexuals I'm mixed about, proper, fun-loving bi's are a blast, people who are basically sexual tourists looking for fun. The one's who use bisexuality as part of their "im-so-tortured" pose are lame, and usually not bi at all.

[Britney Diva]

That's what I would have thought. It seems like people say "I have nothing against gays but hate when they shove it in my face" when they actually mean "I'm offended by gays but I'll pretend I'm not"

[Zoroaster]

I generally hate hedonism, which in part is the reason why I find homosexuality despicable and perverse.

[Britney Diva]

I don't understand why you'd make such a broad association.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

That makes sense, I mean I am a hedonist, and I have no problem with it, as long as it's honest hedonism, no making excuses. If you come right out and say "I am here for a good time" that's cool. If you say "I am here for a good time but it's not my fault because my daddy didn't show me enough affection and thus I seek love from sexual acts with 3 men, 5 women and a lithuanian midget", that's lame.

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

I generally hate hedonism, which in part is the reason why I find homosexuality despicable and perverse.
so if

homosexuality = hedonism

please show me why

heterosexuality =/= hedonism

[RIP Ian Curtis]

Okay, I don't agree with this, but I'll lay it on you all the same. The idea is basically the same one behind the Catholics being opposed to condoms. If you're having sex for the sole purpose of pleasure, without any chance of producing offspring, you're sinning. Sex without the pitfal of conception = (to some folks) hedonistic sin.

[Rise Me Up]

I don't think you should take most things seriously you see on the Musician Forums. It's the internet, and there's no since in getting upset about it.

(My two cents on the original topic)

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

I don't understand why you'd make such a broad association.I wouldn't take anything he says about homsexuality seriously - in another thread he stated that people choose to be gay because they want to be different. He appears to be fine with bending reality to justify his opinions.

[Zoroaster]

The very nature of homosexuality confers upon it a culture of hedonism. While some are of the persuasion that humans are sexual creatures and should act on their lust unchecked, I vehemently disagree. If we're going to break this debate into the question of what constitutes love, I'd inevitably have to say that in order for love to have any legitimacy it has to transcend the purely physical; in this case sex. Insofar as homosexuality cannot foster this form of love, it remains a perversion in my eyes.

As for the people that have launched into defamatory comments about my character, I stand indifferent to their desperate attempt at asserting meaningful opinions in what, to them, is a meaningless existence.

[Iskandar]

The very nature of homosexuality confers upon it a culture of hedonism. While some are of the persuasion that humans are sexual creatures and should act on their lust unchecked, I vehemently disagree. If we're going to break this debate into the question of what constitutes love, I'd inevitably have to say that in order for love to have any legitimacy it has to transcend the purely physical; in this case sex. Insofar as homosexuality cannot foster this form of love, it remains a perversion in my eyes.
Er, and why, in your opinion, can't homosexuals love each other?

They would not hold long-term relationships and marriages if they didn't.

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

The very nature of homosexuality confers upon it a culture of hedonism. no, the very nature of homosexuality confers upon it a culture of hedonism no more than the very nature of heterosexuality confers upon it a culture of hedonism.
If we're going to break this debate into the question of what constitutes love, I'd inevitably have to say that in order for love to have any legitimacy it has to transcend the purely physical; in this case sex. Insofar as homosexuality cannot foster this form of love, it remains a perversion in my eyes.um what sort of love are you talking about? Because it seems like you're condemming any sort of love with some sort of sexual element.

As for the people that have launched into defamatory comments about my character, I stand indifferent to their desperate attempt at asserting meaningful opinions in what, to them, is a meaningless existence.bla bla bla, you're getting your religously-derived bigotry in my face.

[Zoroaster]

Er, and why, in your opinion, can't homosexuals love each other?

They would not hold long-term relationships and marriages if they didn't.

Becoming homosexual is strictly a process of changing sexuality. It's not induced by any other factors. You don't become homosexual to further some grand altruistic plan, nor do you become homosexual because you like fashion and interior design. No, you make a choice whereby you realign your sexual identity such that it takes precedent over your heterosexual impulses -- notwithstanding whether those impulses are determined biologically or by intelligent design. Which, if you think closely about it, is precisely what confers upon homosexuals the stamp of hedonism.

no, the very nature of homosexuality confers upon it a culture of hedonism no more than the very nature of heterosexuality confers upon it a culture of hedonism.

There's a marked difference. Heterosexuals are presented with the option of engaging in relationships of love or, conversely, of lust. Homosexuals don't have that option - their choice to redefine their sexuality is an act of abandonment. By consciously defining themselves in terms of a sexual movement, they're abandoning love.

um what sort of love are you talking about? Because it seems like you're condemming any sort of love with some sort of sexual element.

I'm not. Sex is a great thing. It should be enjoyed as an extension of love, not as a substitute to lust and decadence.

[Iskandar]

Becoming homosexual is strictly a process of changing sexuality. It's not induced by any other factors. You don't become homosexual to further some grand altruistic plan, nor do you become homosexual because you like fashion and interior design. No, you make a choice whereby you realign your sexual identity such that it takes precedent over your heterosexual impulses -- notwithstanding whether those impulses are determined biologically or by intelligent design. Which, if you think closely about it, is precisely what confers upon homosexuals the stamp of hedonism.
Um, changing sexuality ... ?

Homosexuality is not really a conscious choice. Most experts would agree it is a combination of genetic, environmental, and psychological factors, the same as heterosexuality.

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

There's a marked difference. Heterosexuals are presented with the option of engaging in relationships of love or, conversely, of lust. Homosexuals don't have that option - their choice to redefine their sexuality is an act of abandonment. By consciously defining themselves in terms of a sexual movement, they're abandoning love.

people don't choose to be homosexual. Try again.

[Britney Diva]

Becoming homosexual is strictly a process of changing sexuality. It's not induced by any other factors. You don't become homosexual to further some grand altruistic plan, nor do you become homosexual because you like fashion and interior design. No, you make a choice whereby you realign your sexual identity such that it takes precedent over your heterosexual impulses -- notwithstanding whether those impulses are determined biologically or by intelligent design. Which, if you think closely about it, is precisely what confers upon homosexuals the stamp of hedonism.
How do you know what choices homosexuals make?

[Rats!]

How do you know what choices homosexuals make?
they choose to **** butts and eat each others tacos, thats what

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[Otherside]

Zoroaster, you talk like a pretentious prick, and you points make no sense.


That is all I need to say in this argument.

[Cain]

If rep was still around, Zoroaster would be getting a laugh and a neg-rep from me right now.

I guess I'll just laugh. Even Trilemma makes more sense when he tries to belittle homosexuality.

[Mr. Ron]

I'm so glad rep is gone. When I got negg'd I couldn't really care less.

[Soul_Power5150]

racist jokes are acceptable as long as it's in the right contex and everyone who hears it knows that it is a harmless joke...

such as...

"haha, those crazy ******s and their fried chicken"

*now that's not very offensive"

but..

"GO PICK SOME COTTON YOU DIRTY ******!!!11"

*now that's is beyond offensive*

[JimmyVanHendrixPeppers]

I will never be no Wooten. Or Collins, or Jamerson, or Graham, or Clarke... etc.
Flea (a white irish man) has more groove than all of them.

[Amit]

Flea (a white irish man) has more groove than all of them.

ummm hell no

and i find it hilarious that zoroaster can make statements like homosexuals are incapable of love

[YDload]

Flea (a white irish man) has more groove than all of them.

Finally, a statement in this thread that we can all rally against. You need more music, dude.

[Amit]

Finally, a statement in this thread that we can all rally against. You need more music, dude.

indeed!

racist jokes are acceptable as long as it's in the right contex and everyone who hears it knows that it is a harmless joke...

such as...

"haha, those crazy ******s and their fried chicken"

*now that's not very offensive"

but..

"GO PICK SOME COTTON YOU DIRTY ******!!!11"

*now that's is beyond offensive*

um what

[Hababi]

people don't choose to be homosexual. Try again.


Oh great another gay debate :p

Saying people don't choose to be homosexual is like saying people don't choose to be child molestors. You're talking about a deviant sexual orientation. People can either embrace it or seek help. They most certainly can help it.

[Amit]

racist jokes are acceptable as long as it's in the right contex and everyone who hears it knows that it is a harmless joke...

such as...

"haha, those crazy ******s and their fried chicken"

*now that's not very offensive"

but..

"GO PICK SOME COTTON YOU DIRTY ******!!!11"

*now that's is beyond offensive*

what

[Reaganista]

Saying people don't choose to be homosexual is like saying people don't choose to be child molestors
not really no

it would be like saying people dont chose to be attracted to children

[Hababi]

it would be like saying people dont chose to be attracted to children


By not seeking help, they choose to.

[Reaganista]

help wouldn't make them no longer crave children, it would just make them less likely to hurt children

[lfantwister]

You're talking about a deviant sexual orientation. People can either embrace it or seek help. They most certainly can help it.
Deviant? WHy is it wrong. They are born with it.

[Amit]

Oh great another gay debate :p

Saying people don't choose to be homosexual is like saying people don't choose to be child molestors. You're talking about a deviant sexual orientation. People can either embrace it or seek help. They most certainly can help it.

how is it deviant again

because i find the moronic white guys who basically molest girls on the dancefloor at clubs and parties to be sexual deviants

[sr800bkBassist]

Becoming homosexual is strictly a process of changing sexuality. It's not induced by any other factors. You don't become homosexual to further some grand altruistic plan, nor do you become homosexual because you like fashion and interior design. No, you make a choice whereby you realign your sexual identity such that it takes precedent over your heterosexual impulses -- notwithstanding whether those impulses are determined biologically or by intelligent design. Which, if you think closely about it, is precisely what confers upon homosexuals the stamp of hedonism.



There's a marked difference. Heterosexuals are presented with the option of engaging in relationships of love or, conversely, of lust. Homosexuals don't have that option - their choice to redefine their sexuality is an act of abandonment. By consciously defining themselves in terms of a sexual movement, they're abandoning love.



I'm not. Sex is a great thing. It should be enjoyed as an extension of love, not as a substitute to lust and decadence.
homosexuality is not a choice.

if you hate a color, you can't just choose to like it. it's in your head etched in stone. there is a reason for all prefference.

[Mr. Ron]

Seriously, I wonder why broke back mountain was so praised. I mean, it was two gay guys. Nothing anybody hasn't seen already.

[Hababi]

how is it deviant again


The human body is designed, anotomically, for male-female sexual relationships. It is m-f relationships which naturally allow the continuation of the human race. It is heterosexual mindset that is the default, standard genetic makeup of the human being.



Deviant? WHy is it wrong. They are born with it.

Child molestors are born with pedophillic inclinations. Your logic could be used to excuse child molestors.

[Mr. Ron]

The human body is designed, anotomically, for male-female sexual relationships. It is m-f relationships which naturally allow the continuation of the human race. It is heterosexual mindset that is the default, standard genetic makeup of the human being.




Child molestors are born with pedophillic inclinations. Your logic could be used to excuse child molestors.
I agree with the first statement, but, I believe that homosexuality is a built in mechanism to keep the human population down.

[Otherside]

Child molestors are born with pedophillic inclinations. Your logic could be used to excuse child molestors.

The difference is child molestors cause harm while two guys or girls going at it hurts no one.

Please don't bring in the "but if my child sees it as acceptable then they will think its something acceptable" argument, it's stupid.

[lfantwister]

Wait so then schizophrenics and people with mpd and mentally retarded people are deviants too right? But they don't choose to be "deviants". You can't blame them for that.

About this default, standard genetic makeup... if it is in our best interests to do only what is best for the continuation of the human race why does anyone do anything other than the basics for survival?

It's not really like we're dying out.

Besides, homosexuality is not a bad thing. It does not harm anyone any more than heterosexuality does.

The difference is child molestors cause harm while two guys or girls going at it hurts no one.

Please don't bring in the "but if my child sees it as acceptable then they will think its something acceptable" argument, it's stupid.
Well you could argue that rape is a product of heterosexuality. And that's no good. Rapists do the same thing as child molesters except to a different group of people.

[sr800bkBassist]

The human body is designed, anotomically, for male-female sexual relationships. It is m-f relationships which naturally allow the continuation of the human race. It is heterosexual mindset that is the default, standard genetic makeup of the human being.
this is a good arguement, but then consider this.

homosexuality promotes adaption, and people in relationships such as these do not have children.
the human population is growing EXPONENTIALLY and gradually destroying our planet. this is not arguable, it is a fact. people are having children all the time and families are getting huge, yet nobody is adopting with the exception of a few families, so these children ultimately grow up in orphanages with no parents and live terrible lives and sometimes resort to crime when they are older.
and there are two ways to balance out our population problem:
A.) mass genocide
B.) STOP HAVING SO MANY KIDS

so, according to your logic, you agree that homosexuality is CONSTRUCTIVE in helping our society balance out.

[Hababi]

The difference is child molestors cause harm while two guys or girls going at it hurts no one.


Now that's a completely different argument than you initially made. It's more logical, but still flawed. Homosexuals cause harm by choosing a deviant lifestyle that is counter to the continuation of the human race and the natural anotomic order of human beings. Economically, they do harm by engaging in a lifestyle that is unhealthy and requiring hospital treatment for STD's.

I'm not saying 'ban homosexuality.' I'm just saying don't encourage it.


Wait so then schizophrenics and people with mpd and mentally retarded people are deviants too right? But they don't choose to be "deviants". You can't blame them for that.


They are deviants in as much as there is malfunctioned genetic encoding to the point of impairing normal functioning. The case is different, however, because a skitzophrenic, due to the nature of the disorder, may be unable to seek help themselves. Nonetheless, help should be given to them.



About this default, standard genetic makeup... if it is in our best interests to do only what is best for the continuation of the human race why does anyone do anything other than the basics for survival?


It's not about existing on a primal level, but rather doing things that have positive results for the human being and the human society, and the progenry.

You can say, "eat sleep and procreate, that's it", but if you think about it, much of what we do, for instance, working, is to facilitate these basic things, and for most people, engaging in activity that goes against these basic tenants of survival and furtherment is illogical and avoided.


Besides, homosexuality is not a bad thing. It does not harm anyone any more than heterosexuality does.


If everyone were homosexual, the human race would naturally become extinct. Homosexuality runs sacrosanct to the perserverence of the human race. Therefor it is not to be encouraged.


Well you could argue that rape is a product of heterosexuality. And that's no good. Rapists do the same thing as child molesters except to a different group of people.


Rape is a method of intercourse, not an orientation. I brought up child molestation because pedophilia is an orientation and, since children are unable to consent in the civil understanding of the term, it is always molestation when an adult engages in sexual activity with one.

[sr800bkBassist]

If everyone were homosexual, the human race would naturally become extinct. Homosexuality runs sacrosanct to the perserverence of the human race. Therefor it is not to be encouraged.

read my post above yours.

if 30% of the heterosexual population stopped having children, the world, and human race, would benefit greatly.

[Hababi]

homosexuality promotes adaption, and people in relationships such as these do not have children.


You'll have to explain to me how homosexuality promotes adaption, and how even if this is the case, this is a positive thing. After all, if you're going to argue how I think you are, then it could also be argued that beastiality is adaptive and thus positive.


the human population is growing EXPONENTIALLY and gradually destroying our planet.


No it's not. Check the birth rate in Europe--it's actually becoming regressive. Fear about the expansion of the human race is nothing new, but it's in fact a blind fear.


yet nobody is adopting with the exception of a few families, so these children ultimately grow up in orphanages with no parents and live terrible lives and sometimes resort to crime when they are older.


Children in perfectly normal households resort to crime, so I don't see your point. The person determines their outcome, not where they're raised. If there's problems with the way children are being raised, it's an indictment of our society, not an endorsement of sexual deviancy.

[Mr. Ron]

Well, that is what homosexuality is suppose do be: counterproductive. It's supposed to be against the grain because homosexuals exist to stop the over production of the human race.

[Reaganista]

If everyone were homosexual, the human race would naturally become extinct. Homosexuality runs sacrosanct to the perserverence of the human race. Therefor it is not to be encouraged.

hey we're past that point

[drummergirl48]

'Sup tway? Keeping the forum behaved with your smart little one liners I hope?

[griftadan]

No it's not. Check the birth rate in Europe--it's actually becoming regressive. Fear about the expansion of the human race is nothing new, but it's in fact a blind fear.

it's becoming regressive within the white populcae in that region, but everywhere else this isn't a problem. i see no need to encourage heterosexuality.

[Amit]

The human body is designed, anotomically, for male-female sexual relationships. It is m-f relationships which naturally allow the continuation of the human race. It is heterosexual mindset that is the default, standard genetic makeup of the human being.

the human body wasn't designed for american football, wrestling, weight lifting, fighter jets, NASCAR, and a lot of other things though

[sr800bkBassist]

You'll have to explain to me how homosexuality promotes adaption, and how even if this is the case, this is a positive thing. After all, if you're going to argue how I think you are, then it could also be argued that beastiality is adaptive and thus positive.



No it's not. Check the birth rate in Europe--it's actually becoming regressive. Fear about the expansion of the human race is nothing new, but it's in fact a blind fear.



Children in perfectly normal households resort to crime, so I don't see your point. The person determines their outcome, not where they're raised. If there's problems with the way children are being raised, it's an indictment of our society, not an endorsement of sexual deviancy.

the first one was a typo. it was supposed to be adoption. sorry about that one.


about birth rate, the fact is that even if it is a low threat, the human race has grown to an expendable rate. if the european birthrate is lowering, good. however the rest of the world still needs to lower.
look at the population in china, india, and even the US. less children born means less hunger, less disease (overpopulation makes diseases spread quicker), and less unemployment/homelessness.

and to the last one, i'm just saying that it is more likely that a child growing up in an environment of care/love will lead a "better" life than one who never has a family. environment has a huuuge effect on young lives.

[Mr. Ron]

Why exactly is the white population of Europe dying out?

[griftadan]

Why exactly is the white population of Europe dying out?

probably has something to do with economic stagnation.

[sr800bkBassist]

the human body wasn't designed for american football, wrestling, weight lifting, fighter jets, NASCAR, and a lot of other things though
exactly.

if god/nature (depending on your beliefs) wanted us to fly, he would have given us wings.

if god/nature wanted us to be able to make things explode, i'm sure we wouyld have a NATURAL method of this.

[TheDMV]

Children in perfectly normal households resort to crime, so I don't see your point. The person determines their outcome, not where they're raised.

If you are raised in a crime filled neighborhood, of not raised at all, then surely you will be more likely to turn to crime. Peer influence is the major factor determining whether or not someone turns to wrong doing.

If there's problems with the way children are being raised, it's an indictment of our society, not an endorsement of sexual deviancy.


Can't disagree here. I beleive however, that the legalization of Abortion caused the crime drop in the 90's.

[Hababi]

Well, that is what homosexuality is suppose do be: counterproductive. It's supposed to be against the grain because homosexuals exist to stop the over production of the human race.


I don't buy that argument. Homosexuality has likely been around virtually since the dawn of man; it's just an inherent genetic deviancy, an element of biological standard deviation. In fact, it's most prevelant and encouraged in European countries, where they need exactly the opposite now.


look at the population in china, india, and even the US. less children born means less hunger, less disease (overpopulation makes diseases spread quicker), and less unemployment/homelessness.


China's population growth has gotten under control, thanks to the brutal, draconian measures taken by the Chinese government. If the government wasn't such idiots, the country as a whole could be thriving and most people would enjoy a higher standard of living. India's population is growing out of control, basically. But that's one country. And, their economy is also growing healthily.

In the US, we have states with sparse populations (Montana, Wyoming, the Dakota's, Kansas, etc.). Bottom line is, we could gain 100 million people and not feel it. In fact, we should be keeping at least our current birth rate; the drop in the birth rate, caused by social liberalism, has caused the problems in social security.


Why exactly is the white population of Europe dying out?


Social liberalism.




and to the last one, i'm just saying that it is more likely that a child growing up in an environment of care/love will lead a "better" life than one who never has a family. environment has a huuuge effect on young lives.


Ultimately it's still on t