Moshing and Crowdsurfing

[Lord Abortion]

If you do it, you're a ****ing idiot.

My Dragonforce show last night was marred by not being able to concentrate on the music, because of being smashed into, or kicked in the head every couple of minutes.
If you want to do this, go and be a twat at a metalcore gig.
I'm here to see the band, not be a cunt.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Surely you could have stood somewhere away from all that?

[nowitzki]

Crowdsurfing I agree is pretty stupid. But some people like to mosh, if you don't want to just stand away from the pits.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I dont know if its age, maturity, or the state of the pit, but I hate any form of moshing at a gig these days.

[Father]

If any one crowdsurf's on top of me I pinch them hard..or try to reach for their wallet or something.

[shadow_stalker]

i havnt got anything against moshing, crowd surfing isnt bad when its just the odd person (not like at the end of valley of the damned when there were people being passed overhead constantly), it just pisses me off when you have the guys in the middle who just want to ick the **** out of anything that moves.


although i say again, its called a mosh pit for a reason

[Squirrel]

I hate crowdsurfers and pits, they ruin gigs. I go for the music, atmosphere, interaction and thrill, not some 14 year old teeny bobber with a million chains and wristbands jumping around.

Why spend money on a gig when youre not even going to listen and watch, you might as well jump around in your bedroom for free.

[LegionsofMarduk]

I don't make it to many shows anymore, but when I do, I always feel like the frail old man. I still go into the pit, but it always seems like I'm the oldest one down there. It's been ages since I crowdsurfed. I remember a really long time ago when I was crowdsurfing some guy got pissed and was trying to hit me while I was up in the air. Yeah...he got kicked in the face. And after that he got shoved back because everyone around him was pissed at him trying to drag me down and slug me. Twas quite the laugh.

meh...you either like the pit or you hate it. Don't go down there if you've got a problem with it. With most general admission shows, you can usually get a good seat/view pretty close to the stage without going down in the pit.

[Squirrel]

Fair point, but why should I have to experience less of a show cause of people that want to dance around like idiots ?

I payed the same money they did, why should I compromise my fun because of them ?

[Kyle]

Why should they compromise their fun because you want to stand still?

I don't like Moshing myself, but I don't have a problem with people that do.

[Squirrel]

Common and decent respect for others well being ?

I dont see how they have some form of right and legitimate reasoning to jump into random people.

[Kyle]

Common and decent respect for others well being ?

I dont see how they have some form of right and legitimate reasoning to jump into random people.People going to certain types of gigs should know what to expect. Anyone who doesn't wish to be involved doesn't have to be. If people are going to a gig for 'music, atmosphere, interaction and thrill' then it can be quite easilly acchieved from another position in the venue; You are given a choice of wear you stand and you should be aware that certain areas will be consumed by the mosh pit. Although this is annoying as it might restrict your interaction with the band, there should be enough space for everyone to do their own thing. People on the front few rows tend not to get involved in mosh pits, giving you an oppertunity to get close to the band.

Basically, moshing is a pain for people who aren't into it. however many people consider this a vital part of the experience, there is definately room for both types of people at a gig. To say an experience was 'runined' by moshing and crowdsurfing is a little exaggerated I think.

[hatebreeder]

Where I live if the crowd isnt moshing, the band must really suck. I personally am a minority and think its stupid though.

[Arucard]

Idea : Stay away from the pit. Stand at the bar with the other people who hate moshers.

[Wish]

I punched a few people at Download last year, 'cause they were laying on top of people around me and myself. I don't like crowdsurfing personally, 'cause they expect you to suport them. It's pretty cheeky, really : \

I went in a few pits in the Snickers Tent, but none in the main stage. I really enjoyed them, they were fun.

With Caliban, they did a Wall Of Death, as well. That was great.

[jva]

I sometimes like to join a good pit. But at some gigs moshing is not appropriate, like Dragonforce, 'cause the music is not brutal or heavy. There are always some people who make a pit of every gig no matter what the music is like. And that's what I hate!

But at some shows it's a part of the experience to smash each other:chug:

[Spiritofmosa]

body surfing is okay. but moshing gets quite annoying sometimes... i get dragged into the pit

[Lord Abortion]

The problem was, I moved back from the front row to get out of the crowdsurfing, and so I could actually breathe. (ZP complained about the lack of air conditioning himself. Which only made it worse) then stood away from the pit, and still got distracted by people flying out of it. There's just no need for it at Dragonforce... the thing that pissed me off, was when looking into the pit, about 5% of the people in there had long hair... are these real metalheads?
I want to actually listen to the music and watch the band.

[superpeer]

I hate it at gigs, it's usually a bunch of fat retards who just want to hurt everyone and don't care who's playing.

When drunk at parties, a pit may be fun, for for like one song. For example one the only rock songs at a regular party.


There's just no need for it at Dragonforce... the thing that pissed me off, was when looking into the pit, about 5% of the people in there had long hair... are these real metalheads?

Yeah, 'cause only people with long hair are real metal fans. :rolleyes: They're mostly idiots who don't have much brain cells to lose when they run into eachother. I agree that Dragonforce wouldn't need it, damn game boy music.

[JACK!]

How were Edguy?

[Lord Abortion]

How were Edguy?
Awesome, they played

Catch of the century
Mysteria
Vain Glory Opera
Lavatory love machine
Babylon
First verse of the Trooper by Iron Maiden.
Superheroes
King of fools

it was OK for them and Sabaton, I could at least Hang my Jacket on the barriacade, I was right in the front row centre. Shook Tobias' hand and stuff.

[JACK!]

They should have played Avantasia, but thats not a bad set.

[jaymz_is_god]

I don't mind a good mosh pit. The security at many of the gigs I've been to seemed to discourage it though. By discourage, I mean grabbed people by the throat and told them to stop.

Crowd surfing pisses me off. I just let the ****ers fall.

[AdamDK]

I've never been to a gig before (I'm only 13), what exactly is moshing? I know what bodysurfing/crowdsurfing is.

[Spiritofmosa]

heh once at a gig.. someone got bodysurfed out of the room where the gig took place.

[Rounder]

I dont know if its age, maturity, or the state of the pit, but I hate any form of moshing at a gig these days.

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I can't stand it. Once at a Tool show We were down on the floor (for the other shows we were lucky enough to get seats) some 4sshat with no shirt on kept moshing and rubbing up against people during the guitar end of reflection were adam plays it alone for a couple minutes. I finally punched him and someone else knocked him down. I don't see the point of moshing once you've reached the age of, i dont know, 10. Especially at a Tool show, where clearly the band is there to perform art, not feed testosterone to the crowd.

[JACK!]

Wow, you hit someone just because you didn't agree with the way he has fun a show. Two on one aswell, you must be tough :rolleyes:

[Arucard]

The problem was, I moved back from the front row to get out of the crowdsurfing, and so I could actually breathe. (ZP complained about the lack of air conditioning himself. Which only made it worse) then stood away from the pit, and still got distracted by people flying out of it. There's just no need for it at Dragonforce... the thing that pissed me off, was when looking into the pit, about 5% of the people in there had long hair... are these real metalheads?
I want to actually listen to the music and watch the band.

Yes, because long hair makes you a metal fan Ollie.

Lots of DragonForce fans seem to be pissed of that 'emo fags' like the music now, i personally don't see why not. Its not heavy, brutal or shocking in any way, and has massive mainstream appeal. Its not suprising that they are getting different audiences that dont comprise of only 'real' metalheads.

[nowitzki]

Moshing is great fun, and an awesome release of energy at the right times. I agree at shows like Tool its a bit innapropriate, but some shows I've been to its just amazing, and makes the live experience so much better (e.g. Lamb of God and Slayer). I can understand a lot of people won't enjoy it, but a lot of people do, so its not going to stop. Just stay away from the pits and watch the show if thats what you want to do.

If you ask me, one of the most annoying things at gigs isn't moshing, but people with huge hair who swing their hair around in a huge crowd of people, especially people with dreadlocks.

[superpeer]

Wow, you hit someone just because you didn't agree with the way he has fun a show. Two on one aswell, you must be tough :rolleyes:

He doesn't have to involve other people in his way of "having fun", it's really annoying when someone keeps bumping into you when you're trying to watch someone, especially if it's a fat, shirtless, sweaty idiot.

[JACK!]

Then move away. It's really that simple.

[superpeer]

Then move away. It's really that simple.

No, if he wants to push people, HE should find people that enjoy being pushed in a sweaty manner.

[pate]

At Opeth in October, there was a constant pit. They even moshed during "Face of Melinda", which was reconculous.

As my friend said that night, "Moshing at an Opeth concert is like punching someone in an art gallery."

[JACK!]

No, if he wants to push people, HE should find people that enjoy being pushed in a sweaty manner.

...and if he doesn't, he deserves to be attacked by two people?

[AdamDK]

Can somebody answer my question? What is moshing?

[superpeer]

...and if he doesn't, he deserves to be attacked by two people?

That's what he was doing in the first place. A socially accepted way of attacking people. :rolleyes:

Look, I wasn't there, I don't know what he did. But I've had many a gig half ruined because of idiots not being able to watch a show in a normal manner.

[Happy]

Can somebody answer my question? What is moshing?
You could say it's a form of dancing. Surely you've been to or seen a live show with a mosh pit? A group of people running into each other and "fighting" to the music. That's the only description I can think of.

[nowitzki]

No, if he wants to push people, HE should find people that enjoy being pushed in a sweaty manner.
Face it, thats never going to happen. People mosh at gigs. If you don't like it, stay away from the pits. Theres nothing else you can do about it.

[JACK!]

Look, I've been hit by people moshing at shows on many occasions but I don't whine about it or start intentionaly hitting people. I simply move one row back and don't get hit anymore, whilst hardly losing any view.

[superpeer]

Face it, thats never going to happen. People mosh at gigs. If you don't like it, stay away from the pits. Theres nothing else you can do about it.

I do stay away from pits, these were just people randomly pushing people all over the place because they were drunk retards. A pit should be in the middle of crowd, after two or three rows of people at the front. If you feel the need to mosh, do it where everyone is doing it, don't just start pushing people who are watching the show.


Look, I've been hit by people moshing at shows on many occasions but I don't whine about it or start intentionaly hitting people. I simply move one row back and don't get hit anymore, whilst hardly losing any view.

I'm not gonna lose my spot for some fat ****er who crushes my girlfriend's toe so she can barely stand anymore. You'd "whine" if some retard hurts an innocent girl. They have no respect, so I don't respect their ways and they can go do it somewhere else.

[Arucard]

At Opeth in October, there was a constant pit. They even moshed during "Face of Melinda", which was reconculous.

As my friend said that night, "Moshing at an Opeth concert is like punching someone in an art gallery."

Lol comparing Opeth to an art gallery is quite funny.

[Iron Bars]

Face it, thats never going to happen. People mosh at gigs. If you don't like it, stay away from the pits. Theres nothing else you can do about it.

The problem being that when at the edge of a pit you get smeshed from the guy in the pit and they guy behind you pushing you randomly into it. Or some idiot who thinks its funny to hit people but doesn't like being hit himself. Other than that a good pit can be fun.

[JACK!]

I'm not gonna lose my spot for some fat ****er who crushes my girlfriend's toe so she can barely stand anymore. You'd "whine" if some retard hurts an innocent girl. They have no respect, so I don't respect their ways and they can go do it somewhere else.

You only have to move one row back. What difference does that make? Also in my experience people who **** up in the pit and hurt someone tend to be very appologetic and will help out in anyway they can. Then again I havn't been to a metal show in well over 6 months, maybe hardcore fans are bit more sensible.

[Benzum]

I tend to actually watch the band I go and see, plus the support acts, I never crowdsurf, too much crap in my pockets I don't want to lose. Moshing though, is fun, always

[Mazeppa]

I crowd surf when I need to get out of the ****. For example, when I saw Megadeth it was incredibly hot and I was getting really sick and dehydrated so I just crowd surfed over the barrier to get out, trying to force my way back through a crowd of people most of whom are trying to go forward would be mad. As for moshing, I'm fine with it as long as it stays in the pit. Yeah you get the odd dickhead who just tries shoving and hitting everyone but that's unusuall in my experience.

And for the record, moshing at an Opeth gig is perfectly acceptable, comparing it to an art gallery is ridiculous.

[superpeer]

You only have to move one row back. What difference does that make? Also in my experience people who **** up in the pit and hurt someone tend to be very appologetic and will help out in anyway they can. Then again I havn't been to a metal show in well over 6 months, maybe hardcore fans are bit more sensible.

Come to think of it, strangely enough, metal shows have caused the least problems for me. Because they stay where they should be. It's mostly posers at rock/hard rock shows who think it's cool to get really drunk and actually try to hurt people. I had more problems during Green day than during Nile.

Stupid posers.

[JACK!]

Ah well that is a little different. When people mosh they don't do it with the intent of hurting people that's why it's generally accepted. What you are talking about though is very different and people purposly hitting other people at shows is never cool. That's why I had a problem with that other guy for hitting some kid just for being part of a mosh pit.

[superpeer]

Ah well that is a little different. When people mosh they don't do it with the intent of hurting people that's why it's generally accepted. What you are talking about though is very different and people purposly hitting other people at shows is never cool. That's why I had a problem with that other guy for hitting some kid just for being part of a mosh pit.

As I understood it, it was just one guy being annoying, but yeah.

As long as people are a bit careful and it's just people basically running around and pushing each other in all directions, I don't have anything against it. I've been in some, like I said, at parties, because there I don't have anything to watch and it's just silly fun.

I guess I just happen to stand close to assholes at a lot of gigs.

[Kyle]

I crowd surf when I need to get out of the ****. For example, when I saw Megadeth it was incredibly hot and I was getting really sick and dehydrated so I just crowd surfed over the barrier to get outYeah I get this a lot. It's simply the quickest way out of there sometimes. If I have had something to drink I will always need the toilet half way through and have to crowdsurf out of there.

I don't really get pissed off at crowdsurfers, it's pretty euphoric doing it when your really into the music. I help other people not to fall down and getting up there and expect them not to get too bothered when I do it. People who do it multiple times are a bit frustrating though, I wait for my moment and go up; such a brilliant feeling.

[Rounder]

well im not tough, but the guy wouldn't stop. he was the only one, in a section were people werent moshing. I just wanted him to not rub his sweaty *** on me. I didn't even stop him. The other guy that knocked him down did. He was the only one in the whole show at the time trying to mosh. People made a huge circle around the guy and he had plenty of room to run around in a circle like an idiot with touching anyone if he wanted. instead he rubbed up against everyone in the outside of the circle. he was being a f4g. I didnt pay my money to be sexually harrased at a Tool concert.

[Britton]

If you do it, you're a ****ing idiot.

My Dragonforce show last night was marred by not being able to concentrate on the music, because of being smashed into, or kicked in the head every couple of minutes.
If you want to do this, go and be a twat at a metalcore gig.
I'm here to see the band, not be a cunt.


Dude....Metal = Mosh

if you don't like it go away

although I have to agree that getting kicked by a crowd surfer is annoying...I racked on guy as he kicked me in the head it was kinda funny

[pate]

And for the record, moshing at an Opeth gig is perfectly acceptable, comparing it to an art gallery is ridiculous.




So moshing at a Tool concert is a no-no, but at an Opeth concert is acceptable?

Opeth's music is just as much art as Tool's.

And, moshing at any concert is "unacceptable" in my view. You can listen to music alone and run around, why do you have to ruin other people's experience at a show.

And if you say that noone's experience is ruined by moshing, what about all the space on the floor taken up by the pit? So people who don't wish to mosh have to be squished together for 3 hours so moshing idiots can have plenty of room to get a running start?

[Britton]

So moshing at a Tool concert is a no-no, but at an Opeth concert is acceptable?

Opeth's music is just as much art as Tool's.

And, moshing at any concert is "unacceptable" in my view.

Why? do you want a seat and a hand fan?

[superpeer]

So moshing at a Tool concert is a no-no, but at an Opeth concert is acceptable?

Opeth's music is just as much art as Tool's.

And, moshing at any concert is "unacceptable" in my view.

If by art, you mean boring music, yeah. I wouldn't think there'd be enough people awake to start a pit.

[dustyboy316]

I dont know if its age, maturity, or the state of the pit, but I hate any form of moshing at a gig these days.

Me too. I enjoy concerts where you get a seat and get to sit down.

[superpeer]

I've never been to a concert with seats. :\

[Mazeppa]

So moshing at a Tool concert is a no-no, but at an Opeth concert is acceptable?

Opeth's music is just as much art as Tool's.

And, moshing at any concert is "unacceptable" in my view. You can listen to music alone and run around, why do you have to ruin other people's experience at a show.

Where did I mention Tool? I moshed at Opeth, it was fine. Granted I didn't mosh at every song, in fact only during one song if I recall. If I want to sit in reverential silence while I listen to music I'll go to a classical concert, that's art.

If by art, you mean boring music, yeah. I wouldn't think there'd be enough people awake to start a pit.
refl

[Britton]

Where did I mention Tool? I moshed at Opeth, it was fine. Granted I didn't mosh at every song, in fact only during one song if I recall. If I want to sit in reverential silence while I listen to music I'll go to a classical concert, that's art.


refl

Agreed

If you go to see some type of Classical concert you are not gonna mosh. But when you go to a metal concert you are gonna mosh and you are gonna bang your head and your gonna get you *** kicked by the bands (if they are any good) when you go see Classical stuff you are gonna get a nice pleasent mausage

er however you spell that

[pate]

So it's not ok for some people to consider different things worthy of being watched and listened to carefully?

Superpeer, I like you, and have agreed with everything you have said up until your response to me.

Ok, if Opeth is the sticking point, how about if it was an Amon Amarth concert? I would like to watch the playing and hear the subtle nuances of the music instead of being knocked into and bumped around every 15 seconds.

[superpeer]

Agreed

If you go to see some type of Classical concert you are not gonna mosh. But when you go to a metal concert you are gonna mosh and you are gonna bang your head and your gonna get you *** kicked by the bands (if they are any good) when you go see Classical stuff you are gonna get a nice pleasent mausage

er however you spell that

That would be extremely funny, to be honest. Breaking off your seat and start pushing people and shouting "SYMPHONY SYMPHONY" and then play air violin and go \m/.



Ok, if Opeth is the sticking point, how about if it was an Amon Amarth concert? I would like to watch the playing and hear the subtle nuances of the music instead of being knocked into and bumped around every 15 seconds.

Hmm, well, like I said. I don't usually have problems at metal shows, actually, I've seen Amon Amarth and didn't have pit problems, there were a couple of retards around me, though. They kept bumping into us, but luckily they left.

Pits are fine, just stay in the pit area. Tool and Opeth are really popular and popular music tends to spawn some (or a lot) retarded fans, so they might think they're cool and push people and annoy them.

I'd still rather not have them, though.

[pate]

That would be extremely funny, to be honest. Breaking off your seat and start pushing people and shouting "SYMPHONY SYMPHONY" and then play air violin and go \m/.


Hahaha.

Yes

[Mazeppa]

Agreed

If you go to see some type of Classical concert you are not gonna mosh. But when you go to a metal concert you are gonna mosh and you are gonna bang your head and your gonna get you *** kicked by the bands (if they are any good) when you go see Classical stuff you are gonna get a nice pleasent mausage

er however you spell that
massage?

If that's what you think you obviously know little about classical, just because your ears don't ring doesn't mean it has to be all pleasant. Hell, often it's more dramatic. Still, you've got the point I was getting at in general.

That would be extremely funny, to be honest. Breaking off your seat and start pushing people and shouting "SYMPHONY SYMPHONY" and then play air violin and go \m/.
Stravinsky's ballet started a riot which went something like that. That's rare though.

[Rounder]

I don't have a problem with moshing in and of itself. But personally I go to watch a preformance. Its not the same to sit at home and play it on cd. Tool even posted signs at the door asking that no one mosh. most people listened, but there was still a meathead meeting of the minds on the floor. The other 3 shows we went to we forked out the extra dough and got seats. Much better.

[superpeer]

massage?

If that's what you think you obviously know little about classical, just because you ears don't ring doesn't mean it has to be all pleasant. Hell, often it's more dramatic. Still, you've got the point I was getting in general.


Stravinsky's ballet started a riot which went something like that. That's rare though.

Do you go a lot of classical concerts? I've never been to one. I'd expect a room full of old people, nodding approvingly after each piece.

[Iron Bars]

Agreed

If you go to see some type of Classical concert you are not gonna mosh. But when you go to a metal concert you are gonna mosh and you are gonna bang your head and your gonna get you *** kicked by the bands (if they are any good) when you go see Classical stuff you are gonna get a nice pleasent mausage

er however you spell that

Erm it's only about 20% of the people at Metal concerts that mosh, I only mosh when I like the song and not randomly at every guitarsound thrown my way.

Dragonforce in about a month. without Edguy and Sabaton btw.

[Mazeppa]

Do you go a lot of classical concerts? I've never been to one. I'd expect a room full of old people, nodding approvingly after each piece.
I've been to a few and yeah, I'm generally one of the only teenagers there if not the only one. And yes, you do get older folks sitting quietly and nodding approvingly but it's just a completetly different live music experience so it doesn't bother me. The music makes it all worth while though, I'm definately making an effort to go to more

[superpeer]

I've been to a few and yeah, I'm generally one of the only teenagers there if not the only one. And yes, you do get older folks sitting quietly and nodding approvingly but it's just a completetly different live music experience so it doesn't bother me. The music makes it all worth while though, I'm definately making an effort to go to more

I should try it some time. No smelly shirtless metalheads.

[The Feeding]

if you don't want that type of stuff don't go to a metal concert, or stay away from the large mass of people in a circle shoving.

[pate]

if you don't want that type of stuff don't go to a metal concert, or stay away from the large mass of people in a circle shoving.



What about when two hardcore start shoving each other right in front of you, and the other people, who had stopped pitting, start again, wanting their pit to be where you are standing?

[Vegetaman]

I have to say that moshing is lame. I went to see Opeth with Nevermore and Fireball Ministry... and all the Nevermore fans decided they needed to pit at ANY time that the music got heavy. It's hard to enjoy the music when people are crashing into you. And it wasn't a matter of me standing near the pit, it was a matter of a pit erupted into action about two feet to my right... Before people started to fly into me.

[[Nightbreak]]

I like to mosh, but you won't find me pulling people in, or smashing anyone who doesn't smash back. I mosh by the rules. People who don't pick the fallers up need kicking in the head. But at Dragonforce? There's no need for a pit.

[GenuineImitation]

To bad they ruined your DF concert Ollie. Unfortunately there is nothing that can prevent this stuff from happening.

[thickasabrick]

I don't have any problem with moshing as long as there is a fairly well defined mosh pit/area. I hate when there is no escaping flailing fists and stuff, but I think that moshing is really just another form of dance. I can't go to a Strapping Young Lad concert and dance the same way I would dance at a Grateful Dead concert. More agressive music calls for more aggresive dancing. But as mentioned before, there are still etiquette rules to follow...running and smashing a bottle over an unexpecting head isn't moshing.

I've never been at a concert where crowdsurfing was an issue, so I have no comments on that. I could see how it would be annoying I suppose.

[Moses]

Crowdsurfing is annoying. I like to mosh every so often though, get that testosterone going.

[Britton]

massage?

If that's what you think you obviously know little about classical, just because your ears don't ring doesn't mean it has to be all pleasant. Hell, often it's more dramatic. Still, you've got the point I was getting at in general.


Stravinsky's ballet started a riot which went something like that. That's rare though.


Yea I think we understand eachother.

I'm not saying you mosh at every song. But there are a lot of songs that people will want to moch to. If your not moshing you've proabably got your fist in the air screaming along with what ever song it is they are playing
or you've got you cell phone out doing that gay wave thing...

[Bazarov]

If you do it, you're a ****ing idiot.

My Dragonforce show last night was marred by not being able to concentrate on the music, because of being smashed into, or kicked in the head every couple of minutes.
If you want to do this, go and be a twat at a metalcore gig.
I'm here to see the band, not be a cunt.

Moshing is okay. The only problem I have is the hardcore dancing. Crowdsurfing is kind of lame. But at Slayer I was so smashed I felt like I was going to pass out and the only way I could get out was to crowdsurf.

Crowdsurfing is pretty lame, and when the mosh gets out of control with idiots, or comes too close to me when I'm trying to watch the band then it does get really annoying.

Didn't you say that you were looking forward to moshing at Cannibal Corpse when they play Hammer Smashed Face?

[Manticore Guy]

Moshing gets irritating, but crowd surfing's alright. The only bad part about crowd surfing is when you get dropped....on hard wooden floors....

[Bazarov]

Moshing gets irritating, but crowd surfing's alright. The only bad part about crowd surfing is when you get dropped....on hard wooden floors....
That would suck. The main venue I go to has concrete floors though. Which is another reason why I don't crowd surf. I've seen many kids get dropped and slam onto the concrete. It doesn't look very enjoyable.

[Crysiss]

I think maybe i should upload that video of a guy attempting to crowd surf at a himsa concert. Flipped over like 3 ppl and landed on his head most likely lol

[Broken Angels]

body surfing is okay. but moshing gets quite annoying sometimes... i get dragged into the pit
I'm just guessing; but you haven't been at a gig where you get kicked in the head about 20 times by crowd surfers, have you?

[Deconstruction]

My view on that is, if it is band appropriate go for it, but if you dont like pits get in the first few rows (generally that is where there isnt much going on). I know someone that was kicked in the face by a crowd surfer, got a bloody nose, and then went back it was pretty funny (had to be there). Eh crowdsurfing is generally pretty annoying but the occaisional surfer is ok..

[sonicst0rm]

I've never been to a metal concert. I've been to a few laid back concerts and stuff but nothing even close to distorted guitars and double bass. I really wanted to go to Opeth but no one would go with me (I got the Lamentations DVD, it didn't look that rough at all). im just kinda scared of getting messed up if I go to a deathmetal concert on my first one. Problem is my parents won't let me go and my friends think u need to wear black lipstick to get in :smoke: too bad because i really wanted to see Opeth. my little sister is the only one that would go :rolleyes:

[Bazarov]

I've never been to a metal concert. I've been to a few laid back concerts and stuff but nothing even close to distorted guitars and double bass. I really wanted to go to Opeth but no one would go with me (I got the Lamentations DVD, it didn't look that rough at all). im just kinda scared of getting messed up if I go to a deathmetal concert on my first one. Problem is my parents won't let me go and my friends think u need to wear black lipstick to get in :smoke: too bad because i really wanted to see Opeth. my little sister is the only one that would go :rolleyes:

Go by yourself. I went to GWAR by myself, but ended up seeing a few friends there that I didn't even know were going. You won't get messed up at death metal show either. That sucks your parents won't let you go, but then you just tell your parents you're seeing a local band.

FYI Opeth is not death metal.

[Hammerheart]

I agree, moshing/crowdsurfing is ****ing gay.

[PepsiMetal]

Go to a britney spears concert if you dont want moshing or crowdsurfing.

I personally dislike both of those, but it's metal. People come there to have fun, not just to stand there and listen to music. They're not watching a movie. I'd just ****ing punch whoever was trying to crowd surf above me. And whoever wanted to mosh into me. Unless it was some big angry dude, then I'd just move away. lol

Oh and it's quite appropriate for dragonforce gig considering they're quite fast and heavy.

[Josh]

Go to a britney spears concert if you dont want moshing or crowdsurfing.

I personally dislike both of those, but it's metal. People come there to have fun, not just to stand there and listen to music. They're not watching a movie. I'd just ****ing punch whoever was trying to crowd surf above me. And whoever wanted to mosh into me. Unless it was some big angry dude, then I'd just move away. lol

Oh and it's quite appropriate for dragonforce gig considering they're quite fast and heavy.
i was at the same gig as Lord Abortion, i didn't mind the other people except i kept getting elbowed in the neck. and i was dehydrated, so i went to get a couple of drinks and watched from the back anyway.
moshing doesn't massively bother me, i was in the second row so it was more just a crush there, and i'm normally near the front, but crowdsurfers are just annoying, especially when they kick everyone in the head.

[shadow_stalker]

I'm just guessing; but you haven't been at a gig where you get kicked in the head about 20 times by crowd surfers, have you?
Thats what i like about being failry shorter than most people in the pit, i dont get kicked in the head as much.

although it can make it hard to see

[i am the robots]

Moshing is fun at times, but sometimes you don't want to mosh and fags keep pushing you into the pit... hardcore dancing is what pisses me off... when kids do it me and my friends join in as a joke sometimes... crowd surfing is gay too.

[Broken Angels]

Thats what i like about being failry shorter than most people in the pit, i dont get kicked in the head as much.

although it can make it hard to see

Well, I am short but they still manage it.
And it hurts when people land on you :(

[Silenius]

Keep this stuff at the metalcore/hardcore shows, but I think metal shows should have Walls of Death.

[halfdeadhippo]

The problem, as I see it, is that too few people know the difference between moshing, hardcore dancing, and being a general asshole. Moshing exists only within the pit and consists of a group of people being tossed around in a whirlwind of bodies. An individual can mosh within a crowd, but not by oneself. Hardcore dancing is when a person or a group of people jump around, kicking and punching the air and/or each other. When a person does it by his/herself, it also overlaps into the general asshole category. Being a general asshole is when a person tries to start a pit among people who clearly aren't in the mood for a pit. Being an asshole isn't good in any scenario, hardcore dancing is lame, and moshing is good for the pit. That's my two cents.

edit for summary:
Moshing = communal aggressive dancing = way to fully experience the energy and aggression of the music = good
Hardcore dancing = trying to kick the **** out of everybody else in the pit while they do the same to you = turns everybody against each other = bad
Being an asshole = trying to start a pit by pushing/shoving/hitting innocent people around you = bad

edit #2: This only applies for metal shows, obviously. Moshing is definitely not appropriate for rock, ska, jazz, classical, etc, concerts, as they don't have the same type of aggressive energy in the music.

[i am the robots]

Halfdead basically said it :thumb:.

[GenuineImitation]

Im fine with a pit if its defined. I got knocked out once when a new pit was created right where I was standing. Check the Dream Theater thread (last page) if your interested in hearing more about it.

Crowd surfing is only cool if it is a hot chick doing the surfing.

[pate]

Ok, I've been thinking, that if a pit is "well defined" and it stays in one place, that it is fine, even enjoyable to watch.

[GenuineImitation]

It is fun to watch. I want to go see a pit at a slayer concert, but I dont think I would actually go in it. I value my life too much.

[Katana]

My first metal show I got kicked in the head three times by crowdsurfers. That was during Killswitch Engage, with In Flames headlining. Moshing/crowdsurfing seems appropriate for those bands. For Opeth or Dragonforce? Not so much.

[sr800bkBassist]

"if you wanna act like animals, there's a DMX show down the road from here."
-Cedric Bixler

[Nostalgia]

I like being on the floor more then in the seats but It's rare that I will go into the pit, just because when I'm there I would rather enjoy the show then have my balls kicked into my stomach.

[Pale-Folklore]

"if you wanna act like animals, there's a DMX show down the road from here."
-Cedric Bixler

hahahah

i just mosh for the hell of it, it can be fun - i don't mosh to anything that doesnt need to be moshed to though, ie. opeth, agalloch, mare

but anything that is loud, fast and doesn't have amazing musicianship that i'd prefer to watch i'll mosh to

it's not very smart for me though as i am alot smaller than alot of people in pits, when i was at converge/terror/mare/cursed i wasn't ready for it and like 20 people stagedived kicking me in the head several times

:D

[Drunken Viking]

The problem, as I see it, is that too few people know the difference between moshing, hardcore dancing, and being a general asshole. Moshing exists only within the pit and consists of a group of people being tossed around in a whirlwind of bodies. An individual can mosh within a crowd, but not by oneself. Hardcore dancing is when a person or a group of people jump around, kicking and punching the air and/or each other. When a person does it by his/herself, it also overlaps into the general asshole category. Being a general asshole is when a person tries to start a pit among people who clearly aren't in the mood for a pit. Being an asshole isn't good in any scenario, hardcore dancing is lame, and moshing is good for the pit. That's my two cents.

edit for summary:
Moshing = communal aggressive dancing = way to fully experience the energy and aggression of the music = good
Hardcore dancing = trying to kick the **** out of everybody else in the pit while they do the same to you = turns everybody against each other = bad
Being an asshole = trying to start a pit by pushing/shoving/hitting innocent people around you = bad

edit #2: This only applies for metal shows, obviously. Moshing is definitely not appropriate for rock, ska, jazz, classical, etc, concerts, as they don't have the same type of aggressive energy in the music.
That's what happened at the A7X show I went to, this kid kept trying to start a pit right in front of me when the last one died, and it was obvious noone was interseted. So we pretty much just started throwing him around, he almost brooke his neck.

[I'm Charming]

I like to do some moshing at shows...

I hate hXc dancer fags... I lay them out... :p
Make sure they get stepped on a lil too. :thumb:

I'm also guilty of pushing/shoving people, plenty.

I'm 6'3 216 so I just kinda shove my way past everyone to get to the front.. I did that at the CoB show...Not much anyone can do.
I enjoyed being right up front and shoving a few fools is all good.

I don't try and start pits in a random spot, just for the hell of it.

Edit: I'm the posterboy example for what people hate at shows... The big tall asshole.

[Crysiss]

Wtf is hxc. Im 6'2 230

I've yet to push my way through the front like an as$ lol

Can u be my friend man made god?:)

[rata]

heres a deadly sample of a wall of death


Wall of Death (Lamb of God) (http://youtube.com/w/Lamb-Of-God---Wall-Of-Death?v=QkZNw7MMDmk&search=lamb%20of%20god)

[Bazarov]

Wtf is hxc. Im 6'2 230

I've yet to push my way through the front like an as$ lol

Can u be my friend man made god?:)

HxC are Hardcore bands of today. And HxC dancing are those idiots that dress up in girl pants, wear eye-liner and jump around kicking and doing windmills and walk around like a gorilla.

See this: http://www.coalitionagainsthardcoredancing.com/images/group1.gif

[7stringsordeath]

If you really want to be 2 feet from your favorite band.....prepare for the worst. I appreciate people moving to my playing, if they start moshing, grooving, or hell, freakin tap dancing, I know as a musician that I got them moving. If you're in the pit.....you're fair game, that's unfortunately just how it is. If you really like the band and you get punched or push, do it right back, then pick them up and everything is cool. That's just what mosh pits are, places for freedom of aggresive expression :smash:

[Seafroggys]

i hate mosh pits and stuff

then again I dont like a whole lot of metal....i'm a rock 'n roller....dancing and screaming is where its at!

[I'm Charming]

Wtf is hxc. Im 6'2 230

I've yet to push my way through the front like an as$ lol

Can u be my friend man made god?:)


It's easy.

You just go one person at a time and somewhat forcefully.

Say theres a couple of guys your size... Just cut around em.. Going five feet outta your way and around doesn't matter.

Use your shoulder, that works well.

Another thing.. come in at towards the side of a crowd as it moves slighty. Make/force your way closer to where you wanna be...

Sometimes takes a couple songs but it's all good.

[Cocaine]

the thing that pissed me off, was when looking into the pit, about 5% of the people in there had long hair... are these real metalheads?.
What does hair have to do with anything?

Still, Moshing becomes a problem when it becomes more of a focus than the music. I'm all for moving around, just dont hit people who are trying to watch the band. I mean, I dont get why you'd rather kick the **** out of people/air than watch music you paid to see, but as long as you're not hitting me or distracting men, then go nuts.

[Aberrationbass]

crowd surfers annoy me i always punch them cos they kick you in the face
i like slamming in pits although im not really tall enough for it!
Moshing is also good cos you're getting into the music
Hardcore dancing is for dicks half the time they're not even hitting anyone cos people give them so much space cos they're acting like morons if you watch it it actually looks obscenly stupid.
I always trip hardcore kids up while they're in the pit by themselves being a dick
At Lamb of God i was at the edge of the pit pushing people around you know in the style of a slam pit and this one guy slams into me and i push him and he turns around with a look on his face like hes going to hit me and i was like "you're in a ****ing slam pit expect to get pushed"
idiot

[Bat_Country]

See this: http://www.coalitionagainsthardcoredancing.com/images/group1.gif

They look like complete bellends.
I hate Crowdsurfers, especially the ones who insist on wearing big new rock boots and end up breaking your nose with the heal or something.
And girls who crowdsurf and then compalin about getting felt up... i mean WTF?? :confused:
People who go to shows to purposefully cause trouble and push aorund really need a good beating, i want to watch the band, not fight for my life!

[Spiritofmosa]

i finds girls that stagedive whores take crave attention and all they intend to do is to have guys touch their butt

[1omega3]

The problem, as I see it, is that too few people know the difference between moshing, hardcore dancing, and being a general asshole. Moshing exists only within the pit and consists of a group of people being tossed around in a whirlwind of bodies. An individual can mosh within a crowd, but not by oneself. Hardcore dancing is when a person or a group of people jump around, kicking and punching the air and/or each other. When a person does it by his/herself, it also overlaps into the general asshole category. Being a general asshole is when a person tries to start a pit among people who clearly aren't in the mood for a pit. Being an asshole isn't good in any scenario, hardcore dancing is lame, and moshing is good for the pit. That's my two cents.

edit for summary:
Moshing = communal aggressive dancing = way to fully experience the energy and aggression of the music = good
Hardcore dancing = trying to kick the **** out of everybody else in the pit while they do the same to you = turns everybody against each other = bad
Being an asshole = trying to start a pit by pushing/shoving/hitting innocent people around you = bad

edit #2: This only applies for metal shows, obviously. Moshing is definitely not appropriate for rock, ska, jazz, classical, etc, concerts, as they don't have the same type of aggressive energy in the music.

That's exactly it, people seem to be including Hardcore dancing as moshing which it isn't at all. I like to get into a mosh pit but keep it where it started and where it's clearly defined. If all I can see is kids swinging fists and kicking each other I keep out. At Bleeding Through the pit was like that but I still managed to stand at the front without being beaten into a pulp by some asshole. If people don't want to mosh then i respect that but I can't stand it when people stand in a pit and complain.

[Lord Abortion]

What does hair have to do with anything?
.
Well, you get the little kids that don't know about music that tend to just go because it's a gig, not because of the band, that's irritating.
They tend to have short hair.

[Jondur]

You big bunch of girls. Do you also dislike smoking, people spilling beer, getting jostled, people talking during the show etc? Well, why don't you stay at home and watch a DVD?! Live shows are about an experience and that's not just an aural one. It's supposed to be Blood, Sweat, Beer and Broken Glass.

I'm older than practically everyone on here and even I don't moan about pits or crowdsurfers.

[Brew]

Well, you get the little kids that don't know about music that tend to just go because it's a gig, not because of the band, that's irritating.
They tend to have short hair.

maybe they go to the gigs to educate themselves in knowing about music?

long hair means **** all about how much of a metalhead you are

[Josh]

maybe they go to the gigs to educate themselves in knowing about music?

long hair means **** all about how much of a metalhead you are
exactly. my hair's only just down to my eyes now and it's getting cut soon, but i'm still a metalhead.

[Nostalgia]

You big bunch of girls. Do you also dislike smoking, people spilling beer, getting jostled, people talking during the show etc? Well, why don't you stay at home and watch a DVD?! Live shows are about an experience and that's not just an aural one. It's supposed to be Blood, Sweat, Beer and Broken Glass.

I'm older than practically everyone on here and even I don't moan about pits or crowdsurfers.
Shows have nothing to do with "Broken glass" you're right it's about the expeirence, but you can have a good expeirence and a bad one. It's in the matter of opinion some people like the pits and some don't. Don't lable what live shows 'should be' it's about the expierence rather then "Blood"

I have bushy/curly hair. Lord A is just bleesed with that metal hairs he's got!

[IAJP]

I do it at gigs, as Squirrel said some time ago, if I pay the same admission as someone else, I'm entitled to do what I want.


I went to a punk one with my mate and we were punching adults, t'was brilliant.

[PepsiMetal]

I hate when people start saying looks make you a real fan. Ugh.

[Vortigon]

You big bunch of girls. Do you also dislike smoking, people spilling beer, getting jostled, people talking during the show etc? Well, why don't you stay at home and watch a DVD?! Live shows are about an experience and that's not just an aural one. It's supposed to be Blood, Sweat, Beer and Broken Glass.

I'm older than practically everyone on here and even I don't moan about pits or crowdsurfers.
Pretty much what I was going to say. This thread is a whine-fest. Stick up for yourselves, stay away from the pits if you don't like them. If you're all so precious what are you doing listening to metal anyway?

[GenuineImitation]

Well, you get the little kids that don't know about music that tend to just go because it's a gig, not because of the band, that's irritating.
They tend to have short hair.


My hair is short :mad:

[Bazarov]

My hair is short :mad:
You lack true metalhead status.

[GenuineImitation]

You lack true metalhead status.

Metal isnt about looks. Its about the music poser. :p

[Cocaine]

What I lack in hair length I make up for in moustashe.

[Bazarov]

What I lack in hair length I make up for in moustashe.

I seriously lack facial hair. Though I'm glad I didn't have any when I saw GWAR, I had pink eyebrows and hair for a week.

That concert was kind of annoying when A Dozen Furies came out. All those hard-core ninjas were running around a flailing their limbs. I guess that's the only form of "moshing" I don't like. But then hard core dancing isn't really moshing even if they claim it to be.

[Cocaine]

Hardcore dancing is lame, and I've noticed whenever it's going on at shows half the crowd seems more interested in kicking the **** out of air/watching people kick the **** out of air than watching/listening to the music they paid to see.

[Scuba_Steve]

http://www.nothingnice.com/index.php?pageNum_Recordset2=310

that sums it up real nice.

[devildriver421]

I go to shows and mosh some of the time, but I watch the band alot. Especially if I'm up front, I stay there.

[OnTheySlay]

Dragonforce. Moshing. What the hell?

[Jon]

I only mosh and crowdsurf during one song at gigs; Soldiers of the Wasteland by DF.

Its like, a tradition or something, I stand by the side or at the back for the rest of the gig.

[JausmetalJ]

Im not one to generally mosh, except when the song calls for it.

Otherwise I just swing my hair around and stuff..

Anyway, my friends (hardcore gig goers) where whinging when a couple of kids with long hair were headbanging, and my mate was getting really pissed off at them...

Bit stupid really, considering the stories I've heard about Hardcorers at metal (Real metal) gigs hardcore spazzing.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

There was some dude hardcore dancing at Bodom.

gay

[Destructo Spin]

Most of the "different kinds" of moshing tend to stay in their place. I.E. no ones going to flail around and spinkick someone in the mouth at a Slayer show. And no ones going to go to an On broken Wings show and expect people to enjoy a push pit.

Whenever you go to a concert,you should expect the crowd to react. Just stay off to the side of the crowd,or towards the back if you dont want to be apart of it.

[rata]

my friend beat up someone because he was forced to dance like an idiot...

when this guy tried to pull my friend and enggaging him to join the mosh. and one thing lead to the other, my friend knock this f***er up... it was all good because after that my friend was brought to the backstage by the securities and we were like tagging along. he was then desmiessed emediately and there we are at the backstage instantly hangging with the bands. that was the time when RATM played here in philippines back in 98....

[Peg Dizzler]

I agree.. I saw Sonata Arctica last week and although there wasn't much moshing going on, the 3 or 4 times that I lost concentration on the band because of people running around thinking it's fun to slam into other people, was really annoying.

I used to mosh to some local metalcore bands and stuff, like a couple years ago, and I guess that's different. But still, now I view moshing as something that immature punks/mallcore kids do.

I just stay away from it as much as possible and try to concentrate on the music and the band.

[thickasabrick]

I prefer just standing and headbanging and listening to the music over moshing/crowdsurfing/hardcore dancing. The hardcore dancing never really appealed to me, I never really knew that people danced that way until about a year or two ago. I wasn't very impressed, I had only seen moshing and stuff like that. I'm not a martial arts expert, if I wanna dance I'll dance...I'm not gonna pretend I'm Jet Li or something.

[Huber]

Moshing is fun. If you don't think so, that doesn't make everyone that isn't you an idiot. However, when people randomly keep trying to knock you into a pit when you already denied it once is really annoying.

[Kage]

Hey, concert newbs: It's extremely, extremely easy to avoid pits, and extremely easy to get involved if you want to. It's ridiculous to complain about them.

As for myself, I dabble in them every once in a while when it's a band I'm not very interested in, but generally I like to just watch the performance.

I don't know where the hell you live that people actually hurt each other on purpose. Every pit I've been in, if someone gets knocked down, three people rush to pick him up. No violence is involved.

The only thing I hate is when people stupidly drop beer bottles, shattering glass in your area. Then you have to move.

[Huber]

Yeah, I've never actually seen someone get actually hurt unless it was an accident, and in that case people helped.

Yeah, it's easy to get away from a pit, but sometimes it completely ruins the view. If a pit breaks out where you were standing and you want to get out, then you have to move somewhere where you might not be able to see very well. I don't mind a pit being close by, but I don't want some dude knocking into me constantly causing me to move.

[burn_my_eyes]

I've always been cool with pits, obviously enjoy them but I dislike when people push you into them when your obviously trying to stay away from them...

But quite simple, like said before, you could quite easily avoid it by standing elsewhere.

[Illmatic]

Of course, "free dancing" (what hippies do at Grateful Dead/Phish/Allman Bros. shows) is every bit as destructive as moshing.

Then again, either way it's funny to see what white people classify as "dancing" :p

[Kage]

Another thing is that pits, crowdsurfing, etc. really help concerts. When the audience is doing all that stuff, their energy feeds the band and it makes it a really high-energy performance, which is all the more enjoyable for you to stand and watch. But imagine a metal concert where everyone was just standing around. There woud be no energy for the band to feed off of.

Secondly, if you really hate moshing, here's a clue: don't go to concerts that have them. Porcupine Tree and Dredg are two concerts I've been to where everyone stood around. It was still great, because they're not metal concerts. Bottom line, stop listening to metal if you don't like it.

[pate]

It's extremely, extremely easy to avoid pits,


How bout when two random ****ers start banging into each other right in front of your, causing everyone to rush into it. Instantly, you are in the center of a pit.

[pate]

Bottom line, stop listening to metal if you don't like it.


Me not liking random people running into me at a show does not warrent you to pointlessly tell me that.

[Kage]

How bout when two random ****ers start banging into each other right in front of your, causing everyone to rush into it. Instantly, you are in the center of a pit.
That's never happened to me, and I can't even imagine that being a problem. I don't know, maybe you live in a place where people are nothing but vicious animals, but then again, antoher good reason why I don't listen to very much metal.

[pate]

Well, it has happened to me.

[Huber]

That happens to me all the time. Most of the time I can just not let them knock me in and everything will be fine and I can remain where I am. Sometimes though they keep knocking you relentlessly and you just gotta find another good spot.

Really though, I wouldn't let it ruin the show.

[pate]

It didn't ruin the show, the show was amazing, but it would have been even better without all that stuff.

[Britton]

I hate when you get some gigantic fat guy and he's all sweaty and his armpits are right in your face...

god I hate that

[Mutilated Cadaver]

Most moshers have no intention of hurting others or of ruining the show for them. When you go to a metal show, you must know that there's a big chance that there'll be a mosh pit. If you don't like mosh pits, avoid them. Like it's been said before, mosh pits are easy to avoid. If that's not good enough for you well you may as well stay home.
But i do find it annoying when some random ***ker slams into the ppl who are avoiding the pits.

[pate]

But i do find it annoying when some random ***ker slams into the ppl who are avoiding the pits.


That's mostly what I'm talking about.

And also, why does the pit have to be right in the front middle...why can't it be in the far back? (An honest question, no arguement is intended)

[Mutilated Cadaver]

And also, why does the pit have to be right in the front middle...why can't it be in the far back?

Yeah I guess you do have a point there

[maggot4875]

I hate crowdsurfers and pits, they ruin gigs. I go for the music, atmosphere, interaction and thrill, not some 14 year old teeny bobber with a million chains and wristbands jumping around.

Why spend money on a gig when youre not even going to listen and watch, you might as well jump around in your bedroom for free.

its because the music makes you so energetic you want to jump around.if your moshing to a band like metallica or korn then thats pretty stupid

[pate]

Jumping around has nothing to do with slamming into people.

[Nostalgia]

Jumping around has nothing to do with slamming into people.
Yes it does, usually when you're jumping around you most likely are hitting people.

[sensitiveorgan00]

Meh, you should thank these moshers. If it wasn't for them, the band would've left the show disappointed.

[Cocaine]

Meh, you should thank these moshers. If it wasn't for them, the band would've left the show disappointed.
Total misconception. A lot of bands would much rather have you watch their show than dance around like a giant goober.

[Bazarov]

its because the music makes you so energetic you want to jump around.if your moshing to a band like metallica or korn then thats pretty stupid

I don't see why moshing to Metallica would be stupid. Maybe moshing to slipknot, but not Metallica.
Total misconception. A lot of bands would much rather have you watch their show than dance around like a giant goober.

That may be true, though everygig I've been to the bands asked us to go crazy. Except Megadeth.. I even remember reading an interview where Dave said, he'd much have his fans sit and be quiet, as opposed to going really crazy.

[4yearpro?]

at an amon amarth show nobody was paying attention in front of me and guess who the crowdsurfer almost killed as he fell back?

[Stevie]

The pit is classic battle simulation. I can get into a trancelike state. In the pit I'm trying to take everyone down. Take down the enemy and claim victory. I'm also trying to not be the victim myself. I love the battle, just as I love to imagine it as I listen to black metal. I never want to piss off people outside of the pit, but sometimes you can get knocked outside of it. I apologise for that, but I would rather it didn't happen.

Imagine having 6 other warriors around you all trying to kill you, whilst you try to kill them. Lovely. The battle lust. Tis the spirit of metal, enacted.

[Peg Dizzler]

Another thing is that pits, crowdsurfing, etc. really help concerts. When the audience is doing all that stuff, their energy feeds the band and it makes it a really high-energy performance, which is all the more enjoyable for you to stand and watch. But imagine a metal concert where everyone was just standing around. There woud be no energy for the band to feed off of.

Secondly, if you really hate moshing, here's a clue: don't go to concerts that have them. Porcupine Tree and Dredg are two concerts I've been to where everyone stood around. It was still great, because they're not metal concerts. Bottom line, stop listening to metal if you don't like it.

That's too bad that you think metal is about bumping and pushing other people. I'm really sorry you think that, actually.
I think moshing has its place, though. Maybe at a death metal, black metal, or metalcore concert.

Still, you have some good points. But your idea of a metal concert where everyone stands around is completely stupid.
Every metal concert I've been to (besides the crappy bands, where everyone stands around, haha) people are singing/screaming along with the lyrics, raising their arms, making the metal sign (Dio!!), jumping, and most of all, headbanging. And then of course, moshing, which IMO, happens too often and can get quite annoying, ESPEICALLY during bands that it doesn't really fit with (Sonata..).
I see you're from Texas too, I have actually moshed down there before. :thumb: People are much nicer down there, and more likely to help you back up.

[Arucard]

The pit is classic battle simulation. I can get into a trancelike state. In the pit I'm trying to take everyone down. Take down the enemy and claim victory. I'm also trying to not be the victim myself. I love the battle, just as I love to imagine it as I listen to black metal. I never want to piss off people outside of the pit, but sometimes you can get knocked outside of it. I apologise for that, but I would rather it didn't happen.

Imagine having 6 other warriors around you all trying to kill you, whilst you try to kill them. Lovely. The battle lust. Tis the spirit of metal, enacted.

HAHAHA

best post ever

[PepsiMetal]

That sounds like a manowar song.

[Aw3someman]

Hmm... i went to the Metallica concert last year and there wasn't that much moshing. When MoP came the security guard like flattened 6 guys. Most people were just like hell yeah its MoP. The security really gets pissed off at moshers. And most of my problems with moshing is in those gay *** concerts like Green Day. This guy punched my little bro (who was like 11) so me and couple of random guys proceeded to kick the **** out of the dude and security broke up both the mosh pits there.

[Brew]

the main concert venue in Bristol (carling accademy) ejects crowdsurfers, which is always funny to see

[Peg Dizzler]

^ Nice, wish every place was like that.

Harpo's in detroit (which I go to fairly often) has a big sign by the stage that says "no stagediving". I never seen anyone try it, so I assume they get kicked out. :p

[Bazarov]

^ Nice, wish every place was like that.

Harpo's in detroit (which I go to fairly often) has a big sign by the stage that says "no stagediving". I never seen anyone try it, so I assume they get kicked out. :p

The venue I usually go to used to have a NO MOSHING, NO CROWDSURFING, NO STAGEDIVING sign up. But now it's on the tickets. They never enforce those rules because people still do it. They just put it up there so idiots can't sue the venue if they get hurt doing those things that they "prohibit".

[Shattered_Future]

There was a moshpit at the Sonata Arctica concert for a couple of songs for some reason. It didn't really work out that well...we got stuck on the very edge of the pit.

[Stevie]

Manowar would be in the pit alright, wearing so few clothes deliberately so you'd touch them a lot.

By the way, crowdsurfing's annoying to us tall people. But then again, many people are tall warriors in metal!

[Slapping Penguin]

Agreed

If you go to see some type of Classical concert you are not gonna mosh. But when you go to a metal concert you are gonna mosh and you are gonna bang your head and your gonna get you *** kicked by the bands (if they are any good) when you go see Classical stuff you are gonna get a nice pleasent mausage

er however you spell that

Is a Mausage like a Sausage?

Well one day I am going to play in a classical orchestra and head bang with my long hair during William Tell Overture, Mars Bringer of War and Ride of the Vaklyries.

No moshing is poo in good areas. Its harder to hear the music if your being knocked around. Banging head and just rocking is fine but jumping about and pushing is annyoing.

[Kage]

That's too bad that you think metal is about bumping and pushing other people. I'm really sorry you think that, actually.
That's not what I think it's about. But metal has a primary focus on energetic live shows, and for whatever reason, moshing is one way people like to express that. It's just a way to let loose, and can actually quite therapeutic. You can release all inhibitions.

Still, you have some good points. But your idea of a metal concert where everyone stands around is completely stupid.
Do you mean a metal concert in which everyone stood around would be stupid, or my idea of that is stupid? Because I agree it would be stupid to be at a metal concert and for everyone to stand around.

Every metal concert I've been to (besides the crappy bands, where everyone stands around, haha) people are singing/screaming along with the lyrics, raising their arms, making the metal sign (Dio!!), jumping, and most of all, headbanging. And then of course, moshing, which IMO, happens too often and can get quite annoying, ESPEICALLY during bands that it doesn't really fit with (Sonata..).
I agree that moshing doesn't fit sometimes and with some bands. But, really, just avoid it. Get seats, get to the front 3 rows, get in the back, or in the middle. It's quite easy to avoid the pits. Let the fools rage on, and enjoy the energy it's circulating.

I see you're from Texas too, I have actually moshed down there before. :thumb: People are much nicer down there, and more likely to help you back up.
Yes, moshing is very friendly here. If you don't want to mosh, just don't react to any jerks who are trying to get you into it and you'll be left alone. Instead of feeding them on by "punching" them or whatever, just ignore it.

[Moses]

I thought you were against moshing, Kage... Of course I think it was just because we were talking about Tool.

[Kage]

I thought you were against moshing, Kage... Of course I think it was just because we were talking about Tool.
Like I've said, or at least implied, I'm against it when it's not called for. In metal concerts it's almost a given that they'll be there, so you have two choices: join in the fun, or avoid it. Both are easy to do.

But when you're at a concert of a band that is atmospheric, I think it would be stupid to mosh. I'm very glad at both Dredg concerts and the PT concert I've been to no one moshed. Tool would be the same thing.

[comptonassrobert]

blah blah blah bitch bitch bitch


I don't particularly like moshing, but I think that crowdsurfing very much so adds to the experiance of the LIVE show. And it's also a way to get near the front if you are far in the back.

So basically, if you don't like it, get away from it. The moshes are in the middle, stand closer or stand farther away or stand on the left side or stand on the right side or stand in the back-left side or stand in the back-right side or stand in the front-left side or stand in the front-right side.

[comptonassrobert]

Like I've said, or at least implied, I'm against it when it's not called for. In metal concerts it's almost a given that they'll be there, so you have two choices: join in the fun, or avoid it. Both are easy to do.

But when you're at a concert of a band that is atmospheric, I think it would be stupid to mosh. I'm very glad at both Dredg concerts and the PT concert I've been to no one moshed. Tool would be the same thing.

Agreed 100%.

If I were to be seeing Dredg or the Deftones I wouldn't mosh because it's not a moshing atmosphere, I would maybe crowd surf a time or two, but it's doubtful.

But when seeing extremely fast, loud music like Cannibal Corpse or In Flames, it would be ridiculously hard to just stand there and watch.

[Moses]

Like I've said, or at least implied, I'm against it when it's not called for. In metal concerts it's almost a given that they'll be there, so you have two choices: join in the fun, or avoid it. Both are easy to do.

But when you're at a concert of a band that is atmospheric, I think it would be stupid to mosh. I'm very glad at both Dredg concerts and the PT concert I've been to no one moshed. Tool would be the same thing.
That's what I say. Could you imagine moshing to Radiohead?

[Huber]

The pit is classic battle simulation. I can get into a trancelike state. In the pit I'm trying to take everyone down. Take down the enemy and claim victory. I'm also trying to not be the victim myself. I love the battle, just as I love to imagine it as I listen to black metal. I never want to piss off people outside of the pit, but sometimes you can get knocked outside of it. I apologise for that, but I would rather it didn't happen.

Imagine having 6 other warriors around you all trying to kill you, whilst you try to kill them. Lovely. The battle lust. Tis the spirit of metal, enacted.

That gave me an erection.

[Kage]

That's what I say. Could you imagine moshing to Radiohead?
Jesus Christ, that would lead to instant mental retardation.

[Moses]

Which is my point. There's no way I'd be caught dead moshing to Pain of Salvation, however I'd gladly mosh to Nevermore and have before.

[Spiritofmosa]

Jumping around has nothing to do with slamming into people.
i dont mind mass jumping, i find it cool. But you can hardly find it at metalcore gigs.

[I'm Charming]

I like moshing. I like violence all together though.

If I get punched or knocked down... I just get more and more intense...

Edit: I have a reallly nasty temper and have complete blood rush through my whole body, more and more.

[Spiritofmosa]

i saw someone got his pirecing ripped out in a gig in the mosh pit..

[Apocalyptic Raids]

ouch.

At Megadeth, some guy was crowdsurfing, and his pants came off. All of it.

There I was, enjoying the show, then I see some guy's bare, white arse sticking up in the air.

:upset:

[I'm Charming]

ouch.

At Megadeth, some guy was crowdsurfing, and his pants came off. All of it.

There I was, enjoying the show, then I see some guy's bare, white arse sticking up in the air.

:upset:

If his arse is up in the air... Think what someones poor face got hit by.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

haha, you know I had never considered that until now.

:upset:

[Moses]

ouch.

At Megadeth, some guy was crowdsurfing, and his pants came off. All of it.

There I was, enjoying the show, then I see some guy's bare, white arse sticking up in the air.

:upset:
That's why I will never crowdsurf.

[I'm Charming]

That's why I will never crowdsurf.


Don't forget losing your shoes, as dumb as that sounds.


If I had a penny for all the shoes on the floor after the crowd had filed out after CoB. I'd be rich.

You coulda found a new nice pair of shoes that way. I swear.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

haha, yeah I've seen a few loose shoes too.

[I'm Charming]

haha, yeah I've seen a few loose shoes too.

I bet there'd be alot of cell phones and wallets lost on the ground too.

[Crysiss]

Wear tight combat boots or duct tape it around your ankles lol.

[Leukeh]

I don't crowdsurf, but moshing is fun, as long as it's not violent. I try not to piss off those around me.

[JausmetalJ]

Wear tight combat boots or duct tape it around your ankles lol.
I wanna get some sweet combats :D

[halfdeadhippo]

^ Nice, wish every place was like that.

Harpo's in detroit (which I go to fairly often) has a big sign by the stage that says "no stagediving". I never seen anyone try it, so I assume they get kicked out. :p
You've probably never seen anybody try it because the stage is so far off the ground that nobody wants to bother trying to get up there in the first place.

[7stringsordeath]

I saw Kitty at a small venue locally, and a guy got the bright idea of stage diving.....well, Morgan (the singer) didn't like him dancing around like an idiot on stage and punched him and kicked (literally ) him off the stage. She then taunted him to try it again, then told him he rocked.....heh, made that guys day I bet. I also saw a guy stagedive at a local concert with some local acts....poor guy got the crap beat out of him onstage by the bouncers, then they picked him up and threw him into the pit......where everyone promptly moved......***, meet concrete......then they drug him out screaming like a girl.....observe warning signs....:wave:

[Slapping Penguin]

Originally Posted By Stevie
The pit is classic battle simulation. I can get into a trancelike state. In the pit I'm trying to take everyone down. Take down the enemy and claim victory. I'm also trying to not be the victim myself. I love the battle, just as I love to imagine it as I listen to black metal. I never want to piss off people outside of the pit, but sometimes you can get knocked outside of it. I apologise for that, but I would rather it didn't happen.

Imagine having 6 other warriors around you all trying to kill you, whilst you try to kill them. Lovely. The battle lust. Tis the spirit of metal, enacted.

HAhAH, As the Vikings call it, the battle calm.

[Ve Das]

By discourage, I mean grabbed people by the throat and told them to stop.

Tell me, do those security people have some kind of death wish?

[Pockets]

i hate being in the crowd and then all of a sudden a fat crowd surfer like lands on you
Matt

[blackthorne]

i enjoy moshing at gigs if the music is suiting it but at the DF gig it was so damn annoying there were these punk fags going around picking fights in the pit so i just stayed back and enjoyed the music but i do like to spin my hair around without running and barging into people

[Oriah]

I was just trying to rock out at this last Inflames concert i went to 2 days ago... some dude high and drunk off his *** ran right in to me, so i through his *** to the floor............ crowd surf, mosh do whatever I don't care just don't make a fool of yourself and run into people who are trying to enjoy the music.

[Ve Das]

"OMG,LIKE,SOMEBODY DARED BE DA CLUMSY AN RUN INTA ME!"

Dude,honestly, do you have any friends at all?

[Vortigon]

Yeah this is all a little sad, but nevermind, I guess it is an internet forum, after all.

[2muchket!]

Crowdsurfing on the whole sucks, whenever a girl does theres a sort of rush to grope her which is a bit depraved and is why I don't bother with it. But it doesn't feel right if I don't mosh at some point.

[lightningmetal666]

Moshing is just a part of metal for me. I mean, think about it. A bunch of testostorone-fueled guys who were already pissed about something before they came to the show and their listening to a bunch of angry fast paced music. Of course you'll want to be violent, but that doesn't make you a bad person. I'd rather get beat down in a pit where there's at least a vague set of rules and were there's security nearby to control the really crazy ppl than to get jumped in the back alley where I won't have a fu*king clue if anyone come to my aid if I need it. And I'll be more likely to get stabbed there than in a pit.

If his arse is up in the air... Think what someones poor face got hit by.

And to think that everyone thought he got the black eye from moshing.

:-/

[echos]

If you don't like moshing or being "pulled in" it's best to stand off to the sides. I personally love it. Especially when the music is fast passed and energetic...I don't purposefully run in to other people who aren't involved though.

I just love "burning off steam" at shows, it's all in good fun to me.