Prog Rock and Metal Discussion [Archive]

Doctor Night

01-30-2006, 12:28 PM

So, It has come to my knowledge that there are quite a few prog fans out there, hiding in the deepest delves of Rock and Metal.

So, I have decided to create a Prog Rock/Metal thread, for discussing Prog artists. Many of the famous Prog Artists already have their own Thread for example, Dream Theater, Tool and Pink Floyd. So, this is for discussing other artists and helping others discover the wonders of Prog.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406837
The above link, is a FA, written by our very own Med. Many props to him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock
Wikipedia's definition of Prog Rock.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prog_metal
Wiki's Definition of Prog Metal.

http://www.progarchives.com/
The Prog Archives.

I (and I'm sure others too) would much appreciate it if this thread was used for Bands who do not have thier own Thread, so try and Keep DT discussion to a minimum.

So, on with the discussion:

Anyone here into Genesis, Yes and King Crimson?

I have 'Foxtrot', and 'Selling England by the Pound', by Genesis,
and 'In The Court Of The Crimson King' by KG, all of which are aweomse albums.

n00bguitarist

01-30-2006, 12:32 PM

My favorite band is a prog rock/psychedelic rock (Pink Floyd). I also like Jethro Tull, Rush, and Yes.

Lunch

01-30-2006, 01:30 PM

My favorite prog band is probably ELP, their early 70's albums are fantastic.

3rdplanet

01-30-2006, 01:54 PM

Selling England By the Pound is such an awesome album; need to get some more early Genesis stuff.

I took some time away from Prog Rock/Metal and am starting to go back. Have been enjoying the Sun Caged stuff I have but need more. Will buy their CD soon I think.

GenuineImitation

01-30-2006, 02:00 PM

I like Prog rock and metal. I listen to prog metal a little more though.

My favorite Prog rock/metal bands: Dream Theater, Rush, Opeth, Symphony X, Pink Floyd, King Crimson and Spiral Architect. Yes is pretty good also. I think I would really like them, but I havent heard much.

nowitzki

01-30-2006, 07:34 PM

I'm a huge prog fan.
I agree, early Genesis is incredible, Selling England By The Pound is amazing, as is Foxtrot.

Ender_

01-30-2006, 07:39 PM

The only band I listen to that could be categorized as progressive is Opeth, who I am totally in love with.

Cocaine

01-30-2006, 07:41 PM

Rush makes me proud to be Canadian.

hatebreeder

01-30-2006, 08:08 PM

I love rush , fly by night is one of my all time favourite songs/cds, as for other prog bands mars volta are pretty good, king crimson, uriah heep.

Moses

01-30-2006, 08:08 PM

The best prog band ever is Pain of Salvation.

Daven

01-30-2006, 08:10 PM

^^I dont think they're the best, but they're incredibly good. 12:5 is just incredible, my favorite acoustic album for sure.

clairvoyant

01-30-2006, 08:10 PM

Genesis, King Crimson, Van Der Graaf Generator, Spock's Beard, Dream Theater, Fates Warning, Symphony X, Porcupine Tree, Queensryche, and Pink Floyd, all excellent prog bands.

rockinbass17

01-30-2006, 08:38 PM

Rush and Pink Floyd are both up there in my top 5 favorite bands.

I remember when I first got into prog- my bass teacher suggested to listen to some Rush and Yes (two bands he's obsesed with) for some good playing, so I went out and bought two greatest hits compilations. Looking at them now, they were very lacking, but at the time I fell in love instantly. I got heavily into Rush, and to a lesser extent, Yes. From there I explored ELP, King Crimson, Floyd, and more modern bands like The Mars Volta and Muse.

I want to get more into the genre as a whole. I'm going to pick up a Tull album soon. I've been shakey on Gabriel-era Genesis, though. i'm afraid it will sound like the cheesy pop that Phil Collins makes. For Genesis fans, were hteir early days poppy like Collins, or more like the prog bands I like now?

Amit

01-30-2006, 08:40 PM

You know what the interesting thing is? A lot of the older Progressive rock fans I've met (mostly Peabody professors) really really loathe Dream Theater.

Kage

01-30-2006, 08:40 PM

Progressive is such a wide and ambiguous genre. For example, I could say my favorite genre at the moment is progressive. Some people would immediately think of bands like Yes, King Crimson, and Rush.

For me, I like the modren progressive bands like Porcupine Tree, Pain of Salvation, Dredg, Radiohead, Oceansize, Riverside, etc.

The only "first-wave" prog band I really love is King Crimson. The bands I listed above, though, are some of my favorites.

clairvoyant

01-30-2006, 08:50 PM

I want to get more into the genre as a whole. I'm going to pick up a Tull album soon. I've been shakey on Gabriel-era Genesis, though. i'm afraid it will sound like the cheesy pop that Phil Collins makes. For Genesis fans, were hteir early days poppy like Collins, or more like the prog bands I like now?

Trust me, Genesis with Gabriel (or really, Steve Hackett) is not pop at all, but brilliant stuff.

They also made two excellent prog albums after Gabriel left, it was after Steve Hackett left that they went pop.

Amit

01-30-2006, 08:50 PM

Progressive as a term is just such a loaded word. I can't think of anything that could sound anymore pretentious...

Besides "Jazz," "Classical," or "Art Music" of course ;)

Moses

01-30-2006, 08:51 PM

You know what the interesting thing is? A lot of the older Progressive rock fans I've met (mostly Peabody professors) really really loathe Dream Theater.
Well that's because Dream Theater isn't really what prog is about. I still like them though.

Pain of Salvation though, that's a band that really captures everything that prog is about.

rockinbass17

01-30-2006, 08:53 PM

Trust me, Genesis with Gabriel (or really, Steve Hackett) is not pop at all, but brilliant stuff.

They also made to excellent prog albums after Gabriel left, it was after Steve Hackett left that they went pop.

Thanks, man. I've been suggested Foxtrot and The Lamb Dies on Broadway for starters. I was hesitant, but now I think I'll go pick one up.

nowitzki

01-31-2006, 04:50 AM

Listening to some of the Collins-era Gensis really makes me cringe, when you consider what an incredible band they used to be. The first few albums after Gabriel left are great, especially A Trick of the Tail, but yeah, once Hackett left they really went downhill musically (but uphill in album sales).

The Minstrel in the Gallery

01-31-2006, 06:18 AM

Prog is probably my favorite genre. Classic Genesis is amazing. Anyone like the band Van Der Graaf Generator? I believe them to be the best prog has to offer.

nowitzki

01-31-2006, 06:46 AM

I have only heard the clips of Van Der Graff Generator songs that are on Prog Archives, it sounds like really good stuff though. What would you say is a good album to start with?

Also, I've been listening to DeLoused in the Comatorium (The Mars Volta) a lot recently, I forgot what an incredible album it is. Take The Veil Cerpin Taxt has to be one of the best album closers ever.

hatebreeder

01-31-2006, 07:24 AM

Mars volta are amazing, they merge so many elements of early and new progressive music, at the drive in were ok, but mars volta are 100x better.

fazrul666

01-31-2006, 08:46 AM

hey guys,

i'm just curious about led zeppelin.. are they psychedelic rock? i'm a noobie in psychedelic genre... what album should i get for a start?

i just bought pink floyd's wish you were here, and yes tormato... both awsome stuff, but i still need some time to get use to their type of music :p

ZaaR

01-31-2006, 09:05 AM

I'm a pretty big fan of Tool, and my friend is getting me into Opeth

nowitzki

01-31-2006, 09:22 AM

i'm just curious about led zeppelin.. are they psychedelic rock? i'm a noobie in psychedelic genre... what album should i get for a start?
Zeppelin are really just bluesy hard rock, although some songs are quite psychadelic. If thats the kind of thing you are after I'd perhaps reccomend Physical Graffiti, I find much of the 2nd disc quite psychadelic.

fazrul666

01-31-2006, 10:07 AM

Zeppelin are really just bluesy hard rock, although some songs are quite psychadelic. If thats the kind of thing you are after I'd perhaps reccomend Physical Graffiti, I find much of the 2nd disc quite psychadelic.

thanks nowitzki. :chug:

physical graffiti... never heard of em, but i deffinately gotta check em out right now

nowitzki

01-31-2006, 10:33 AM

thanks nowitzki. :chug:

physical graffiti... never heard of em, but i deffinately gotta check em out right now
Oh sorry, I meant Physical Graffiti is a good choice of a Led Zeppelin album.

A couple of psychaelic bands I'd say to check out would be Hawkwind, and early Pink Floyd.

Doctor Night

01-31-2006, 10:36 AM

Dancing with the moonlight Knight - Genesis - Awesome stuff.

So, Lunch, you know any sites where I can check out some Emerson, Lake and Plamer?

I want to get more into the genre as a whole. I'm going to pick up a Tull album soon. I've been shakey on Gabriel-era Genesis, though. i'm afraid it will sound like the cheesy pop that Phil Collins makes. For Genesis fans, were hteir early days poppy like Collins, or more like the prog bands I like now?
They're not at all like Collins' solo career. But a great Prog band, to start with get either 'Foxtrot' or 'Selling England By The Pound'.

Tyr

01-31-2006, 10:54 AM

I have wanted to get an album by Pain of Salvation for quite some time. Do you guys have any recommendations as to what album I should get?

Doctor Night

01-31-2006, 11:24 AM

I'm into RadioHead a little bit, but I bought 'Ok Computer', which to be honest, failed to impress me, is 'The Bends' much better?

Doctor Night

01-31-2006, 11:32 AM

Well, I'll check out 'The Bends' then. Thanks.

Jude

01-31-2006, 12:07 PM

We should all post AIM names in order to facilitate turning on of each other to the bands we're talking about.

Mistergroovy1023 is mine.

JamJar

01-31-2006, 12:23 PM

My AIM is PoSJamJar

I'm into Tool, Opeth, The Mars Volta, Dream Theater, Pain Of Salvation.

I'm also getting into Arcturus, Pink Floyd, Porcupine Tree, Godspeed.

Daven

01-31-2006, 12:29 PM

Well, i have some Radiohead songs that didnt do much for me, but i think they were rarities so i still have to check more famous cds by them.

Aim: DavenJDGT

Tyr

01-31-2006, 12:29 PM

I'd say Be, as that's where I started and it's also probably still my favourite album by them. A lot of people point to either Remedy Lane or Entropia though...they may be better ideas, since even by the standards of some prog, Be can be quite inaccesible.
Thanks a lot, I will be sure to check those out :thumb:

hatebreeder

01-31-2006, 12:34 PM

I had a question if anyone actually know what art rock is, what makes a band art rock, and some bands in the genre.

Daven

01-31-2006, 12:49 PM

Thanks a lot, I will be sure to check those out :thumb:

You should also check out 12:5, its a great acoustic album, and the one that got me into Pain Of Salvation. :cool:

guitrguy

01-31-2006, 01:01 PM

I had a question if anyone actually know what art rock is, what makes a band art rock, and some bands in the genre.
Not playing in a key, lots of dissonant harmonies, etc.

Amit

01-31-2006, 01:08 PM

Not playing in a key, lots of dissonant harmonies, etc.

Not quite...

Ventriloquist

01-31-2006, 01:48 PM

dustyboy316

01-31-2006, 01:56 PM

What bands would be considered prog metal?

Jetpack

01-31-2006, 02:07 PM

bands i like, Dream theatre, opeth, porcupine tree, Tool, etc.

Bands i grew up listening to:

Yes, jethro tull, Emerson Lake and Palmer (Pictures at an exhibition wow), etc...

Fave Genesis song: Mad man moon

nowitzki

01-31-2006, 02:15 PM

I had a question if anyone actually know what art rock is, what makes a band art rock, and some bands in the genre.
From prog archives:
This was the original name of progressive rock music. We now use this within the umbrella of Prog or Progressive Rock as category that is used to refer to explorative works by bands that cross different genres or have an experimental nature that is not specific to one genre. Some of these bands may have had roots in other prog categories in their early years but later became more AOR or mainstream or vise versa starting out mainstream then becoming prog. These bands are considered primarily to be prog bands.
and it lists Rush, Uriah Heep, Kansas and The Mars Volta as art rock bands.

Txus

01-31-2006, 02:30 PM

I really love prog rock/metal even though I´m much more into metal. Some of my favorite bands consist of Pain Of Salvation, Peccatum, Symphony X, Adagio, Radiohead, Tool, Pink Floyd, Ozric Tentacles, Porcupine Tree, Riverside, Arcturus, Ayreon, Therion, Green Carnation etc, etc.

classicrockman

01-31-2006, 02:35 PM

Prog-rock is awesome. It's all I listen to lately. Here's my favorite Progressive bands:

- Deep Purple
- Dream Theater
- Genesis
- Iron Maiden
- Jethro Tull
- Kansas
- King Crimson
- Led Zeppelin (at times)
- Marillion
- Pink Floyd
- Queen (early Queen)
- Rainbow
- Rush
- Symphony X
- Yes

MidnightRider

01-31-2006, 02:44 PM

Almost all of my favorite bands are Prog. Opeth, Pink Floyd, DT, Porcupine Tree, Rush, Tool...

clairvoyant

01-31-2006, 02:46 PM

Not playing in a key, lots of dissonant harmonies, etc.

Completely wrong.

Tyr

01-31-2006, 03:07 PM

You should also check out 12:5, its a great acoustic album, and the one that got me into Pain Of Salvation. :cool:
Alright, thanks, I'll do that. :thumb:

Whale and Wasp

01-31-2006, 03:20 PM

camel is an awesome prog band

Txus

01-31-2006, 03:22 PM

camel is an awesome prog band
Yeah.....Rajaz is amazing.

GenuineImitation

01-31-2006, 03:33 PM

I don't really think of art rock as a genre, although that may be because I think of bands that meet the description from prog archives as being avant-garde. All I use that for is what to call bands when I don't really have any idea what genre to put them into though, so that may not be the best definition. :-\

Yeah, they're pretty good. Kind of from the second tier of good prog bands, below the very best, but they're still a really good listen every now and again. Rain Dances is probably the best album I've heard by them.

What exactly is avant-garde?

GenuineImitation

01-31-2006, 03:45 PM

I've always thought of it as just being bands that you can't classify within normal genres. Stuff like Mr. Bungle, Arcturus (some of it), Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Lux Occulta...the thing is even those bands don't really sound all that much like each other, but what they do have in common is dramatic dynamic changes, a really diverse range of influences, and a huge unpredicitability about the music. I guess one way of describing it would be progressive music taken to an extreme level, although that doesn't really answer your question.

It does to an extent. I now have a slight idea about what it means.

NP: Rush - Passage to Bankok

Josh

01-31-2006, 03:45 PM

GenuineImitation

01-31-2006, 03:47 PM

ah, a prog thread. personally, i've been listening to a fair bit of Symphony X lately, i finally got round to buying Rush - 2112 the other day, and i have a few Pink Floyd albums.

on the subject of Symphony X, could they possibly be classified as Progressive Power Metal, seeing as their lyrics deal with so much mythology?

They are a combination of both. There music is more on the prog side of the spectrum, but the lyrics are mainly power metal based. I just call them Power Prog.

Josh

01-31-2006, 03:49 PM

They are a combination of both. There music is more on the prog side of the spectrum, but the lyrics are mainly power metal based. I just call them Power Prog.
yeh, that fits. they're awesome though, Russell Allen is an amazing singer.

GenuineImitation

01-31-2006, 03:55 PM

yeh, that fits. they're awesome though, Russell Allen is an amazing singer.

That is an understatement. They are godley!

nowitzki

01-31-2006, 04:04 PM

Their guitarist looks like Peter Kay

GenuineImitation

01-31-2006, 04:52 PM

http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?style_id=19

Thats a top 100 prog metal album list from proga archives. I was just wondering what you guys thought about it. You can also search for top 100 prog rock albums.

Txus

01-31-2006, 04:56 PM

Wow, thats really one of the best top 100 lists ive ever seen.

GenuineImitation

01-31-2006, 04:58 PM

Yeah. I actually agree with it for the most part. I havent listened to most of the albums on it, but it was created by users on prog archives. Im guessing they know their stuff.

Tyr

01-31-2006, 05:17 PM

That is an understatement. They are godley!
Symphony X is one of my favourite prog groups, along with Queensrÿche, Tool, Rush and King Crimson. Oh, and Opeth, of course.

Daven

01-31-2006, 05:26 PM

Is Ark good?? I've heard only one song, and it was ok, but to be in the top 30 it must be good.

GenuineImitation

01-31-2006, 05:27 PM

Is Ark good?? I've heard only one song, and it was ok, but to be in the top 30 it must be good.

I actually dont know, but I plan on finding out.

Kage

01-31-2006, 05:35 PM

I'm really surprised to see such a new band as Riverside at number 2 on that list. Not to mention a Devin Townsend album that just came out today. Not that I don't agree it should be on the list as those are two of my favorite progressive bands, but it just seems a little weird.

GenuineImitation

01-31-2006, 06:10 PM

They've kind of put stuff in the wrong order...I'm not sure how you can have Kayo Dot below that many Dream Theater albums, and likewise, putting Ghost Reveries down as the best Opeth album, and 6th on the whole list, seems quite surprising given how many great albums Opeth have made over their career. Don't get me wrong, Ghost Reveries is good, but I wouldn't put it in their top 3. Although Focus by Cynic and some Spiral Architect should easily be higher. The list's pretty dominated by a few bands, but it isnt that bad.

I pretty much agree. Blackwater Park and A Sceptics Universe should have been higher. Metropolis: Scenes From a Memory and Images & Words were where they should be though.

classicrockman

01-31-2006, 06:20 PM

I pretty much agree. Blackwater Park and A Sceptics Universe should have been higher. Metropolis: Scenes From a Memory and Images & Words were where they should be though.
Right. I wish 'Divine Wings of Tragedy' was higher. But that's a good list. 'Scene's From a Memory' is friggin' awesome.

temporary

01-31-2006, 06:50 PM

GenuineImitation

01-31-2006, 06:51 PM

Can you recomend me some Devin Townsend? I've heard he's great, but I haven't heard anything by him.

I second that.

I may go pick up that new cd.

Kage

01-31-2006, 06:57 PM

Well, it depends on what you are looking for. Personally, I love his solo project, because it's heavy, yet ambient and very unique-sounding music. I would recommend Ocean Machine or Terria to get you started on that, as those are probably his best albums. Specifically for songs, try getting Seventh Wave, Funeral, Bastard, Canada and Earth Day.

As for Strapping Young Lad (his metal project), I can't give any insight, because I don't like them. But his solo stuff is indeed amazing.

Here are some reviews of some of his albums: http://www.sputnikmusic.com/bands.php?bandid=412

nowitzki

01-31-2006, 07:14 PM

Progarchives is one of my favourite websites, its so good. And I always enjoy reading people rip the **** out of Collins-era Genesis.

ghettoeddo

01-31-2006, 07:17 PM

AH! GENESIS! i need to check them out asap.

yes is orgasmic.

ATC

01-31-2006, 07:39 PM

Can you recomend me some Devin Townsend? I've heard he's great, but I haven't heard anything by him.

Pick up Synchestra when it comes out next week. It's probably one of the best releases this year so far. Ocean Machine is awesome too, as is Terria. More than anything, I love his production techniques.

3rdplanet

02-01-2006, 06:00 AM

Can anyone recommend me a good Gentle Giant CD to order?

The Minstrel in the Gallery

02-01-2006, 06:09 AM

Can anyone recommend me a good Gentle Giant CD to order?

In a Glass House is my favorite, and generally the most popular. Three Friends, Octopus, Free Hand, and the Power and the Glory are all excellent too.

This is the first mention of Gentle Giant in this thread. Along with Camel and Van Der Graaf Generator, GG is one of the best yet most unknown prog bands out there.

Ventriloquist

02-01-2006, 06:28 AM

Favourite prog. groups:
-Iron maiden
-Yes
-Opeth
-Dream Theater
-Ozric Tentacles(vitavoom song rocks!!)
-Pink Floyd(DSOTM!!!)
-Pain of Salvation

hatebreeder

02-01-2006, 08:27 AM

Scince when is maiden really progressive? Theyre more power/classic metal.

Amit

02-01-2006, 10:03 AM

Doctor Night

02-01-2006, 10:23 AM

Favourite prog. groups:
-Iron maiden

Iron Maiden aren't Prog.
Too. Much. Dream Theater.
Is it me, or is there every DT album in there?

nowitzki

02-01-2006, 01:07 PM

Is it me, or is there every DT album in there?
When Dream and Day Unite and Falling into Infinity aren't, but all the others fully deserve it.

/DT fanboy

and one band that deserve to be on the list.. Between The Buried and Me. And would you perhaps class bands like Death as prog metal?

hatebreeder

02-01-2006, 01:16 PM

Death = death metal.

ATC

02-01-2006, 01:26 PM

They had prog elements to their sound. And Sean Reinert which automatically makes them prog++ .

temporary

02-01-2006, 02:00 PM

Scince when is maiden really progressive? Theyre more power/classic metal.

Steve Harris was heavily prog influenced, but Maiden definitly isn't prog.

Np: Battle of Epping Forest - Genesis

JamJar

02-01-2006, 02:04 PM

Scince when is maiden really progressive? Theyre more power/classic metal.

The X-Factor is pretty progressive, as are Dance Of Death and Brave New World.

I really don't see what's so special about Symphony X. I have the Odyssey and it really does nothing for me.

deathscreamingsheep

02-01-2006, 02:26 PM

Why is there no rush in that list either? I know they are pretty classic rock compared to the other metal bands on the list but still they are prog.

nowitzki

02-01-2006, 02:35 PM

Why is there no rush in that list either? I know they are pretty classic rock compared to the other metal bands on the list but still they are prog.
They're in a different category on the website.

3rdplanet

02-01-2006, 02:48 PM

In a Glass House is my favorite, and generally the most popular. Three Friends, Octopus, Free Hand, and the Power and the Glory are all excellent too.

This is the first mention of Gentle Giant in this thread. Along with Camel and Van Der Graaf Generator, GG is one of the best yet most unknown prog bands out there.

I agree with you about Camel, am undecided on Gentle Giant as I haven't heard enough of their stuff but Van Der Graaf Generator have never really impressed me.

Will order that Gentle Giant CD.

What are you peoples top 5 prog album?

Mine:
1. Awake - Dream Theater
2. Operation: Mindcrime - Queensrÿche
3. Frisbie - Heavy Vegetable (I classify this as prog)
4. Signify - Porcupine Tree
5. Selling England by the Pound - Genesis

hatebreeder

02-01-2006, 03:13 PM

Rush - fly by night
Mars volta - frances the mute
Rush - a farewell to kings
A perfect circle - 13th step
Floyd - the wall

Moses

02-01-2006, 03:15 PM

Too. Much. Dream Theater.
Not. Enough. Old. School.

I like Dream Theater, but they aren't that great. Good to see alot of Pain of Salvation on there though.

Amit

02-01-2006, 03:16 PM

Not. Enough. Old. School.

I like Dream Theater, but they aren't that great. Good to see alot of Pain of Salvation on there though.

And they definitely aren't that progressive either. If anything, most people consider them to be regressive, heh.

Where's the love for King Crimson or Marillion on that chart? :-(

Moses

02-01-2006, 03:18 PM

And they definitely aren't that progressive either. If anything, most people consider them to be regressive, heh.

Where's the love for King Crimson or Marillion on that chart? :-(
They are progressive, just not progressing if that makes sense. The music they make is prog metal, but they stick to the same sound and get boring sometimes.

Amit

02-01-2006, 03:23 PM

They are progressive, just not progressing if that makes sense. The music they make is prog metal, but they stick to the same sound and get boring sometimes.

I think it's the laundry list of done to death cliches that make a lot of people consider them to be regressive.

Moses

02-01-2006, 03:27 PM

I think it's the laundry list of done to death cliches that make a lot of people consider them to be regressive.
Either way their genre is still progressive. Awake is probably the only cd I can put on and listen to all the way through and the essence of prog isn't really carried in their music that much. Still, I loved their live show at Gigantour.

Whale and Wasp

02-01-2006, 03:37 PM

I agree with you about Camel, am undecided on Gentle Giant as I haven't heard enough of their stuff but Van Der Graaf Generator have never really impressed me.

Will order that Gentle Giant CD.

What are you peoples top 5 prog album?

Mine:
1. Awake - Dream Theater
2. Operation: Mindcrime - Queensrÿche
3. Frisbie - Heavy Vegetable (I classify this as prog)
4. Signify - Porcupine Tree
5. Selling England by the Pound - Genesis

camel - moonmadness
camel - rain dances
pink floyd - meddle
opeth - orchid
dream theater - scenes from a memory

Whale and Wasp

02-01-2006, 03:44 PM

anoyone heard robby krieger's solo album?

GenuineImitation

02-01-2006, 04:17 PM

1. Rush - 2112
2. Dream Theater - Metropolis: Scenes from a Memory
3. King Crimson - In the Court of King Crimson
4. Pink Floyd - The Wall
5. Spiral Architect - A Sceptic's Universe

JamJar

02-01-2006, 04:20 PM

In no particular order:

The Mars Volta - Deloused In The Comatorium
Pain Of Salvation - Remedy Lane
Tool - Lateralus
Opeth - Still Life
Dream Theater - Scenes From A Memory/Images And Words. Im undecided.

classicrockman

02-01-2006, 04:27 PM

1. Pink Floyd - The Wall
2. Deep Purple - Machine Head
3. Rush - Moving Pictures
4. Yes - Fragile
5. Dream Theater - Octavarium

Daven

02-01-2006, 04:29 PM

Tool - Lateralus
Pain Of Salvation - Remedy Lane
Riverside - Out Of Myself
Porcupine Tree - Lightbulb Sun
Dream Theater - Scenes From A Memory

No specific order, every cd is great.

Txus

02-01-2006, 04:52 PM

Tool - Lateralus
The Mars Volta - De-Loused In The Comatorium
Porcupine Tree - Deadwing
Ozric Tentacles - Jurassic Shift
Symphony X - The Oddysey

Not in order, it was a really tough decision.

Stoic

02-01-2006, 04:58 PM

shall I mention a fairly unknown band that plays high quality prog metal?
http://www.archetype1.com/downloads.html

GenuineImitation

02-01-2006, 05:07 PM

shall I mention a fairly unknown band that plays high quality prog metal?
http://www.archetype1.com/downloads.html

Thanks for the link. They are really good...

Daven

02-01-2006, 05:08 PM

That's some nice stuff, stoic. Ill check more by them later.

Stoic

02-01-2006, 05:22 PM

Thank you both for the feedback :) If only I could get their album in my hands...

Txus

02-01-2006, 06:49 PM

Wow man, quite good band....I need to check out more by them.

Jude

02-01-2006, 07:59 PM

I can't even decide what my top prog albums would be. Signify would be on there, and maybe some earlier PT, but I don't really consider the post-Signify stuff to be more than marginally prog.

n00bguitarist

02-01-2006, 09:00 PM

Who else thinks Jethro Tull's "Aqualung" is a masterpiece of an album?

MidnightRider

02-01-2006, 09:12 PM

My top 5:

Pink Floyd - One of: DSOTM, WYWH, The Wall, Meddle, Animals.
Tool - Lateralus
Opeth - Blackwater Park
Porcupine Tree - Deadwing
Dream Theater - Images and Words

rockinbass17

02-01-2006, 09:21 PM

No particular order-

Rush: 2112 or A Farewell to Kings
Pink Floyd: WYWH
Emmerson, Lake, and Palmer: Brain Salad Surgery
Yes: Close to the Edge or Going for the One
The Mars Volta: Frances the Mute

I recently heard the British band Camel on the new Aim radio, pretty good stuff. Yet another prog band to get into.

ATC

02-01-2006, 11:09 PM

In no order (prog-metal..or my definition of it)

Cynic- Focus
Tool- Lateralus
Fates Warning- A pleasant shade of grey
Orphaned Land- Mabool
OSI- OSI

(prog-rock or my definition of it)

Pink floyd- Wish you were here
Camel- Harbour of tears
Cafe Tacuba- Re/ Cuatros Caminos
Ozric Tentacles- Arborescence
Riverside- Second Life Syndrome

And I whore my Camel write-up here
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=438971&highlight=camel

ghettoeddo

02-02-2006, 12:51 AM

I think it's the laundry list of done to death cliches that make a lot of people consider them to be regressive.

like what? what's this "laundry list" you're talking about?

Amit

02-02-2006, 12:58 AM

like what? what's this "laundry list" you're talking about?

1) The overly sentimental and flowery acoustic songs
2) The deliberate lyrical oversophistication that only results in shallowness
3) Solos and unison lines that are so horribly predictable and dry that it makes composition majors weep
4) Sacrificing any sense of instrumental complexity for speed

One of my professors said it best: "It's like their label just assembled some really fast session players together and told them to make music to impress those who are easily impressed."

ghettoeddo

02-02-2006, 01:07 AM

hey they're not that bad geez haha. you're making them sound like they're the bane of progressive metal. or maybe even music in general.

Amit

02-02-2006, 01:08 AM

i have my views and you have yours =)

give me king crimson any day :D

ghettoeddo

02-02-2006, 01:17 AM

fair enough <3
i need to check some KC out.

Ventriloquist

02-02-2006, 01:27 AM

-Dark side of the moon - Pink Floyd
-Deliverence - Opeth
-Be - Pain of Salvation
-Awake - Dream Theater
-In Absentia - Porcupine Tree

my best five.... (this list changes a lot though, but this is the one that I use now :naughty: )

Concubine

02-02-2006, 02:13 AM

ATC

02-02-2006, 02:34 AM

I like to get into prog.. i mean i like Mars Volta, Opeth and Dream Theater... But i like to try some of the old school.. u know.. bands like Rush, Yes, Genesis.. Could you guys recommended me some old school prog band for beginner? (I like Pink Floyd already)...

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=438971&highlight=camel

Look them up. You'll love them if you like Floyd.

Rounder

02-02-2006, 02:40 AM

The best introduction to Rush is to get Chronicles. It has a great sampler of all ther stuff from every rush 'era'.

Ventriloquist

02-02-2006, 03:45 AM

I like to get into prog.. i mean i like Mars Volta, Opeth and Dream Theater... But i like to try some of the old school.. u know.. bands like Rush, Yes, Genesis.. Could you guys recommended me some old school prog band for beginner? (I like Pink Floyd already)...

Genesis-The lamb Lies down on Broadway
Yes-Fragile,Close to the Edge
Rush- Try these songs YYZ, Drive, and download drum solos(They're great especially the one in Rio concert)

nowitzki

02-02-2006, 05:43 AM

+ In the Court of the Crimson King by King Crimson. 21st Century Schizoid Man is incredible, especially when you consider it was released in 1969.

The Minstrel in the Gallery

02-02-2006, 06:19 AM

Top 5
1)Thick as a Brick - Jethro Tull
2)Mirage - Camel
3)Pawn Hearts - Van Der Graaf Generator
4)Hot Rats - Frank Zappa
5)In a Glass House - Gentle Giant

Doctor Night

02-02-2006, 11:08 AM

Tool - Lateralus.
Pink Floyd - The Wall.
DT - Images and Words
Pink Floyd - Animals.
Genesis - Foxtrot.

fazrul666

02-03-2006, 03:31 AM

Try Ozric Tentacles - Erpland(album)

thanks. *downloading...*

question: does anyone here listen to eels? what do you think about em?

Ventriloquist

02-03-2006, 03:46 AM

thanks. *downloading...*

question: does anyone here listen to eels? what do you think about em?

I saw their video once like 4 years ago...
Name of the song was "Mankind" I think. They sounded like Iron Maiden.. Never listened to them.. You recommend 'em ?

Doctor Night

02-03-2006, 04:23 AM

My friend said they're ok, I'll try lend some stuff off him.

fazrul666

02-03-2006, 04:54 AM

I saw their video once like 4 years ago...
Name of the song was "Mankind" I think. They sounded like Iron Maiden.. Never listened to them.. You recommend 'em ?

really? maiden...

IMO, eels doesnt sound like maiden at all. they sound like... old radiohead. some of their song sound a lil psychedlic. thats why i like em. yeah i do recommend em if you like that kinda stuff. check out their song in shrek's soundtrack.

check out Mr. E's Beautiful Blues.

if you like pink floyd, you might like em. but this is just my opinion.

fazrul666

02-03-2006, 05:04 AM

for progressive, dream theater is the only one i have in mind. currently listening to YES, they pretty damn good to, way technical than DT IMO.

Ventriloquist

02-03-2006, 05:56 AM

I'll try some Eels (coz I adore Pink Floyd :P)...

of course they are more techncial than dt. YES is like the God of progressive rock. Dt is also a great band. They mix the metal elements and the progressive elements very good...

Werny

02-03-2006, 05:57 AM

For that Top 100 prog albums link before, I don't think a lot of people realise that it was linked to the Top 100 prog METAL albums, and there's not much of that around, thus the mass Dream Theater. And it's by user score, so newer albums obviously rate higher because everyone is all "zomg noo album".

Prog good... Yes, Tool, Radiohead, Opeth... those are the only ones I can really think of that I've heard, I've never bothered to check out a lot of prog.

paranoid923

02-03-2006, 08:26 AM

I'm into a lot of prog metal like DT, Pain of Salvation, Symphony X, etc. But I don't know too much prog rock. What would be a good introduction?

Top 5:
1. Cynic - Focus
2. Pain of Salvation - Be
3. Arcturus - The Sham Mirrors
4. Opeth - BWP
5. Spiral Architect - A Sceptic's Universe

nowitzki

02-03-2006, 10:29 AM

I'm into a lot of prog metal like DT, Pain of Salvation, Symphony X, etc. But I don't know too much prog rock. What would be a good introduction?
I'd reccomend checking out Yes, Fragile or Close to The Edge are good albums to start with.
Other good bands to start with would be Rush, early Genesis or King Crimson.

Stoic

02-03-2006, 01:02 PM

I'd reccomend checking out Yes, Fragile or Close to The Edge are good albums to start with.
Other good bands to start with would be Rush, early Genesis or King Crimson.

Are these bands "rock" enough? I mean, I come from a strong metal background and I dont think I would like long clean parts.

Jude

02-03-2006, 01:19 PM

Are these bands "rock" enough? I mean, I come from a strong metal background and I dont think I would like long clean parts.
If all you like is heaviness and speed in your music, the only of those bands you would probably like is Rush. They don't usually do long acoustic parts and are a more straightforward band with prog elements.

2muchket!

02-03-2006, 01:20 PM

Top 5
1) Pink Floyd - The Wall
2)Tool - Lateralus
3)Rush - Moving Pictures
4)Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of the Moon
5)Mars Volta - Frances The Mute

Stoic

02-03-2006, 01:23 PM

If all you like is heaviness and speed in your music, the only of those bands you would probably like is Rush. They don't usually do long acoustic parts and are a more straightforward band with prog elements.

Thank you, sounds like a good place to start.

On another know I've just listened to King Crimson's 21st "Century Schizoid Man" and found it really good. How does the rest of the album sound like?

Daven

02-03-2006, 01:51 PM

Rush is very good, the music is great, but I cant stand the vocals. I dont know why, I have 2112 and Roll The Bones. Very good musically, but vocals kills it for me.

Reywas

02-03-2006, 02:02 PM

I gave Eels a listen. It's nowhere near Maiden in sound. Anyway my favorite old school PR is Pink Floyd's Animals. Also anything Yes related. From PM I pretty much consider Scenes From A Memory the crown. I like Porcupine Tree's post Voyage 34 records but can't really feel anything for their psychedelic ones.
Muse 's Absolution and Origin Of Symmetry are a must IMO for PR fans. While it's technically not PR it bares many resemblences. Also check out a band called Marillion - awesome.

paranoid923

02-03-2006, 02:28 PM

I'd reccomend checking out Yes, Fragile or Close to The Edge are good albums to start with.
Other good bands to start with would be Rush, early Genesis or King Crimson.
Thanks. I've checked out Rush and like some songs. I think I might actually have some Yes somewhere on my computer that I haven't listened to.

temporary

02-03-2006, 03:59 PM

Hm, top five... This is going to be hard:

1. The Wall - Pink Floyd
2. Close to the Edge - Yes
3. Selling England by the Pound - Genesis
4. 2112 - Rush
5. Images and Words - Dream Theater/Brain Salad Surgery - ELP (tie)

What about favorite live prog alums? Heres my list (from albums I own/am familiar with)

1. Yessongs - Yes
2. Rush in Rio - Rush
3. Pulse - Pink Floyd
4. Welcome Back My Freinds to the Show That Never Ends - ELP
5. Live Scenes From New York - Dream Theater

Doctor Night

02-03-2006, 04:43 PM

Thank you, sounds like a good place to start.

On another know I've just listened to King Crimson's 21st "Century Schizoid Man" and found it really good. How does the rest of the album sound like?
It's a good album. The last song, 'In the court of the Crimson King', in my opinion is the best on the album.

Tyr

02-04-2006, 08:26 AM

It's a good album. The last song, 'In the court of the Crimson King', in my opinion is the best on the album.
I second that, the whole album is really good, one of my favourites by King Crimson.

Clunge

02-04-2006, 08:36 AM

Okies, I'm a big fan of progresive music, mainly Yes, Rush, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd.

But recently I've been getting into more progressive/metal type stuff, Dream Theater and Porcupine Tree mainly.

I was wondering if anyone could suggest the best albums by...

Queensryche
Pain Of Salvation
Riverside
Van Der Graaf Generator
Symphony X
Camel

+ Any other bands you think are similar.

:cool:

Bartender

02-04-2006, 08:46 AM

Can you recomend me some Devin Townsend? I've heard he's great, but I haven't heard anything by him.

I'd recommend Terria, primarily.

I'm intending to pick up his new one sometime soon though, so I hope that's also good. Amazon are being bastards with it, though; the regular edition is "usually dispatched within 4-6 weeks", and the special edition (£2 more expensive) is within 24 hours.

blondie

02-04-2006, 08:50 AM

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GenuineImitation

02-04-2006, 12:07 PM

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Welcome to the forums. Next time you delete a post, you dont need to write "post deleted".

Daven

02-04-2006, 12:14 PM

Kage

02-04-2006, 12:17 PM

I can do those one´s.

Pain Of Salvation - Remedy Lane
Riverside - Out Of Myself
Symphony X - The Oddysey
Camel - Rajaz
I'm going to have to disagree and say Riverside's best album is Second Life Syndrome by a long shot. That album is incredible.

JamJar

02-04-2006, 12:34 PM

I'm going to have to disagree and say Riverside's best album is Second Life Syndrome by a long shot. That album is incredible.

I've been looking for that album for ages and I just can't find it. I've downloaded After and it sounds so amazingly cool.

Mambuto_O'Mally

02-04-2006, 12:48 PM

I am a huge fan of Rush. The Mars Volta and Dream Theater are amazing. If you like Dream Theater I reccommend a band called Saga. They are another amazing Canadian band that came out in the 70's. They were a huge influence on Dream Theater. Another band I really like is Mastodon. I think they're newer stuff is kind of progressive, and from what I've read their new CD is going to be more progressive. :thumb:

n00bguitarist

02-04-2006, 12:49 PM

My top five prog/concept rock albums in no particular order:

Pink Floyd- Animals
Pink Floyd- The Wall
Pink Floyd- Dark Side Of The Moon
Pink Floyd- Wish You Were Here
Jethro Tull- Aqualung

Jude

02-04-2006, 03:17 PM

I really need some Jethro Tull.

I have a good deal of prog to trade.

MisterGroovy1023 on AIM.

Clunge

02-04-2006, 03:29 PM

Yes - The Yes Album is THE seminal prog-rock album for me. It's just unbelievably good, every second of it.

Up The Irons

02-04-2006, 03:53 PM

So yeah I dont know if he was pulling my leg, but my friend said that Daniel Gildenlow (Pain of Salvation) has just written 3 CONCEPT ALBUMS!

He also said that one of which is THE PERFECT ELEMENT PT. 2

Wow that would be sick

anyone know if its true?

Jude

02-04-2006, 05:50 PM

I don't get all this hype about Pain of Salvation...they don't seem all that fantastic to me. But maybe they'll grow on me more, a lot of bands have.

Daven

02-04-2006, 05:52 PM

I like Pain Of Salvation a lot, its unusual when i like an acoustic album right away, but i knew 12:5 was going to be good when i listened the first song. Their work is very good, specially on Entropia and Remedy Lane.

Rounder

02-04-2006, 07:41 PM

Don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but O.S.I. Its heavy, and very progressive imo. Like a cross between Tool and Floyd. My favorite band/project next to Tool, lte.

ATC

02-04-2006, 07:44 PM

Rounder

02-04-2006, 08:42 PM

O.S.I rocks. I'd call it a heavier Chroma Key though but that's mainly because Moore's attempting to create a similar atmosphere but with less samples.
Kevin Moore is awesome. Frankly, he's the only member of DT that I like.

Yea it does have a Chroma Key Vibe, although I much prefer the lyrics in OSI to Key. But both bands are cool.

GenuineImitation

02-04-2006, 08:44 PM

Do any of you guys like Spiral Architect?

Daven

02-04-2006, 08:48 PM

Spiral Architect is very good, but after severla songs i get bored. Its just because its insane technaquility, it bores me. My favorite song is either Spinning or Insect.

GenuineImitation

02-04-2006, 08:49 PM

Spiral Architect is very good, but after severla songs i get bored. Its just because its insane technaquility, it bores me. My favorite song is either Spinning or Insect.

I used to get borded by them, but I dont any more. You would think the more you listen to something, the more dull and repetitive it gets. My favorite song is Conjuring Collapse.

Kage

02-04-2006, 09:21 PM

Don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but O.S.I. Its heavy, and very progressive imo. Like a cross between Tool and Floyd. My favorite band/project next to Tool, lte.
Is OSI the band name or an acronym for something? I've never heard of them, but they sound interesting.

Daven

02-04-2006, 09:22 PM

Its an acronym for Office of Strategic Influence.

ElectricalStorm

02-04-2006, 10:11 PM

I was wondering if anyone could suggest the best albums by...

Queensryche
Pain Of Salvation
Riverside
Van Der Graaf Generator
Symphony X
Camel

+ Any other bands you think are similar.

:cool:

For Queensryche, without a doubt get Operation Mindcrime as its widely regarded as their best.

Quennsryche is actually coming out with Operation Mindcrime part II. So far it seems that that album is going to be a regressive effort in which they shoot to replicate sound of the original (which was released in the late 80's if I remember right). There's a sample song from the upcoming album on the web somewhere.

As for Camel, I would strongly suggest an album that was done with their original lineup of Latimer, Bardens, Ferguson, and Ward. Out of these such albums I would personally recommend Moonmadness or Snow Goose.

To me the best aspect of Camel is the thematic element present in music--many of their songs are crafted in an attempt to evoke a certain setting, emotion, or mood. This emphasis is much more apparent in their earlier works imo, and is done particularly well in both The Snow Goose and Moonmadness. Also make sure you listen to Lady Fantasy (which is on the album Mirage) as its a Camel classic.

ATC

02-04-2006, 10:53 PM

Is OSI the band name or an acronym for something? I've never heard of them, but they sound interesting.

Definitely check em out. They've only got one album out.
They're supergroup type project of Kevin Moore (ex-DT) and Jim Matheos(Fates Warning). Mike Portnoy and Steven Wilson appear on the first album. They'll have a new one out soon. I'll probably send it to the Daily Upload soon.

Txus

02-04-2006, 10:55 PM

Yeah, O.S.I. are very good, I love the song Shutdown.

Rounder

02-05-2006, 05:22 AM

Definitely check em out. They've only got one album out.
They're supergroup type project of Kevin Moore (ex-DT) and Jim Matheos(Fates Warning). Mike Portnoy and Steven Wilson appear on the first album. They'll have a new one out soon. I'll probably send it to the Daily Upload soon.

Theyre recording a new album now. Most likely with the same lineup.

rippa32

02-05-2006, 05:33 AM

Rounder

02-05-2006, 05:41 AM

Ive never been into Rush(on account of never hearing there music) but the other day I was in a music shop and saw a Rush DVD playing(I know it was Rush cos I recognized Geddy) and I thought it sounded great. Whats a good album to get?

My personal favorite Rush album is Permanent Waves.

Bartender

02-05-2006, 06:03 AM

Do any of you guys like Spiral Architect?

I used to like the album quite a bit, but I just don't listen to it any more. They're like Watchtower.

Apocalyptic Raids

02-05-2006, 06:21 AM

I used to like Watchtower alot. Well, Energetic Disassembly anyway.

I haven't listened to it for ages. I've been moving away from technical and progressive stuff lately.

Bartender

02-05-2006, 06:28 AM

3rdplanet

02-05-2006, 06:46 AM

hum, Spiral Architect, I downloaded Insect and Spinning ages ago and didn't like it, may give them another go now as I'm enjoying more tech stuff.

Any fans of Mew in here? They're growing on me more and more, 156 is a ch00n.

EDIT: Oh, can I get a recommendation for good King's X material? I have Faith Hope Love and think it's decent but have not been blown away by it; do they have any better stuff than that out there?

Daven

02-05-2006, 09:29 AM

GenuineImitation

02-05-2006, 10:18 AM

I like Spiral Architect's vocals.

temporary

02-05-2006, 10:24 AM

Ive never been into Rush(on account of never hearing there music) but the other day I was in a music shop and saw a Rush DVD playing(I know it was Rush cos I recognized Geddy) and I thought it sounded great. Whats a good album to get?

2112 is easily their finest album, but Moving Pictures is their most accesible. Drop me your AIM and I can send you both.

Lunch

02-05-2006, 10:37 AM

I missed out on the top five albums thing, but I'm going to do it anyway.

ELP - Tarkus, Brain Salad Surgery
King Crimson - ItCotCK
Jethro Tull - Thick As a Brick
Pink Floyd - Animals
Yes - Tales From Topographic Oceans

Or something like that.

Moses

02-05-2006, 11:38 AM

Do any of you guys like Spiral Architect?
They're a prime example of why alot of people don't like technical prog.

They're insanely technical and they have a cool sound but I think they really should try and have some better compositional value.

Poofy 666

02-05-2006, 12:45 PM

They're a prime example of why alot of people don't like technical prog.

They're insanely technical and they have a cool sound but I think they really should try and have some better compositional value.
They always make me smile because the bass has nothing to do with the song :lol:

*coughInsectcough*

My dad actually likes them alot :cool:

GenuineImitation

02-05-2006, 12:48 PM

They always make me smile because the bass has nothing to do with the song :lol:

*coughInsectcough*

My dad actually likes them alot :cool:

The bassist seems to just be doing his own thing, which I find cool and unique.

Poofy 666

02-05-2006, 12:50 PM

The bassist seems to just be doing his own thing, which I find cool and unique.
It's far more interesting than the usual "just follow the guitar part" bass lines

GenuineImitation

02-05-2006, 12:51 PM

It's far more interesting than the usual "just follow the guitar part" bass lines

He plays the bass like it is a guitar.

thickasabrick

02-05-2006, 01:58 PM

Yeah that's where I find that prog really differs from your normal rock or metal, all the instruments are much more independent...they don't all follow the same melody line the entire song. It's a lot more like jazz in that way, which is probably why prog requires a little more knowledge of theory than mainstream music.

Moses

02-05-2006, 02:09 PM

Anyone like Into Eternity?

Txus

02-05-2006, 02:13 PM

Anyone like Into Eternity?
I´m in love with this band since I first heard Buried In Oblivion, now I´m a big fan.

NP: Into Eternity - Black Sea Of Agony

Poofy 666

02-05-2006, 02:46 PM

Anyone like Into Eternity?
/fanboy :)

The vocals are amazing in that band

Up The Irons

02-05-2006, 02:50 PM

sonicst0rm

02-05-2006, 03:27 PM

Anyone like Into Eternity?

yeah I just got their CD buried in olivion it's flippin awesome. Blasting "Beginning of the End" in the car is fun... haha "The sky is fallllling". Lyrics are lame as hell but whatever. One of the few CDs that I actually bought

I could comfortably say that progressive rock and metal has always been my favorite genre. Right now i'm into stuff like Green Carnation, Gordion Knot, Andromeda, Opeth, Dream Theater, Symphony X, Porcupine Tree, Spiral Architect, Tool, Cynic, Riverside, Textures, Quo Vadis, Arcturus ... etc

can anyone upload a King's X album? This girl recommended told me about them (who usually like crappy music) after she heard them on the Garden State soundtrack or something but I can't find anything online.... I'm really curious to hear it, but I heard it's nothing like Opeth or whatever.

Stoic

02-05-2006, 03:39 PM

Glad someone mentioned Andromeda :)

They're a prime example of why alot of people don't like technical prog.

They're insanely technical and they have a cool sound but I think they really should try and have some better compositional value.

I understand but I really dig this style of prog along prog/technical death and heavy prog (like nevermore for example). What I cannot stand is Dream Theater/Pain of Salvation/Opeth-like prog, it bores me to death :p

paranoid923

02-05-2006, 04:30 PM

They always make me smile because the bass has nothing to do with the song :lol:

*coughInsectcough*

My dad actually likes them alot :cool:

The bass playing at first seemed to be pretty random, but now it seems like every note was perfectly placed; which I really like. Now if only I had a fretless bass :p

Trintar_VIII

02-05-2006, 04:47 PM

I like Spiral Architect a bit...I remember reading somewhere that in some of their songs, each musician has a different time signature so they cross over every so often, giving it a chaotic/technical sound.

Jude

02-05-2006, 05:02 PM

I can't stand Spiral Architect. To me they're the epitome of wankery.

Daven

02-05-2006, 06:41 PM

Doctor Night

02-06-2006, 01:55 PM

Opeth-like prog, it bores me to death :p
I find Opeth I bit weird too.

Good to see the ol' thread still goin.

Poofy 666

02-06-2006, 03:27 PM

I love Into Eternity, Buried In Oblivion is my favorite release by them. Splintered Visions is just amazing, great wau of starting the album.

Spiral Architect would be a lot better if they didnt have a singer.
I completely agree. Their musicianship is awsome but the high and whiny vocals take away from the music

GenuineImitation

02-06-2006, 03:33 PM

I like Spiral Architect's singer, but I agree that he takes away from the music.

nowitzki

02-06-2006, 04:59 PM

2112 is easily their finest album, but Moving Pictures is their most accesible. Drop me your AIM and I can send you both.
I'm a huge fan of A Farewell to Kings, I would have to say that is my favourite Rush album. But those two are also great.

rockinbass17

02-06-2006, 07:44 PM

^True. My Rush fav's are A Farewell to Kings and Permenant Waves. 2112 is third, but not up there with the other two.

Doctor Night

02-07-2006, 10:29 AM

I'd need to get into some Rush.

Firecracker

02-07-2006, 11:46 AM

Does anyone want to buy ELP - Mendelson cover thing off me, because i play one of the songs in my brass ensemble and i HATE HEARING IT. So yeah, ruins a good band for me. :(

Stoic

02-08-2006, 04:35 AM

I just can't stand the vocals. Usually, even if the vocals are nothing special, or even just plain bad, I can ignore it if the rest is good enough. But I really can't stand Watchtower's.

Spiral Architect's aren't as bad as theirs, but they're not much better.

Yeah, many people have serious problem with the vocals but they've never been a turn off to me. Watchtower are awesome, ages ahead of their time since you will find hints of their riffage in every single modern tech metal band. Chuck Schuldiner himself has stated how influencial Watchtower are. I prefer their second album only because, unlike the first one, the production is tolerable.

Bartender

02-08-2006, 05:51 AM

Yeah, I love Watchtower's music. It's the vocals (whichever vocalist it is) that are the problem.

Apocalyptic Raids

02-08-2006, 06:04 AM

I actually like the vocals on Energetic Disassembly. I think he sounds awesome on Asylum.

Weird, I know :D

Bartender

02-08-2006, 06:06 AM

Well I've only heard Control and Resistance in full. Haven't liked what else I've heard so far either, though.

Apocalyptic Raids

02-08-2006, 06:08 AM

GenuineImitation

02-08-2006, 04:10 PM

I've never actually come across anyone who has like Watchtower's vocals.

In fact, pretty much all the bands that get recommended to me, and people say "oh, but the vocals aren't to good" I actually enjoy the vocals.

Watchtower, Megadeth and Vio-lence, among others.

I like the vocals so you have now come across one.

NP: Dream Theater - Stream of Consciousness

ATC

02-08-2006, 04:14 PM

I've never actually come across anyone who has like Watchtower's vocals.

In fact, pretty much all the bands that get recommended to me, and people say "oh, but the vocals aren't to good" I actually enjoy the vocals.

Watchtower, Megadeth and Vio-lence, among others.

I can get past Watchtower's vocals. I like Megadeth's but Vio-lence, not really. That's an example of a potentially great band dragged down by horrid vocals.

Doctor Night

02-09-2006, 10:50 AM

I like Mustaines vocals, especially on albums like 'Rust in Peace'. They make him sound demented and insane.

nowitzki

02-09-2006, 06:26 PM

Is anyone familiar with the band Gong? I've just checked out their songs on prog archives, and they sound really cool. http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=848# mp3

Lunch

02-09-2006, 08:09 PM

I have Magick Brother, it's pretty cool. I'm interested in checking out some more of their albums though.

I want to pick up either Radio Gnome Invisible Volume 3 or Volume 2.

Daven

02-09-2006, 09:06 PM

I can get past Watchtower's vocals. I like Megadeth's but Vio-lence, not really. That's an example of a potentially great band dragged down by horrid vocals.

Watchtower's music is very good, but again, I dont like the vocals. I can listen to some songs, but i have to change it after a while.

Oriah

02-09-2006, 10:58 PM

Opeth for me is a perfect blend of Progressive rock and Metal.

Jude

02-09-2006, 11:49 PM

Not to mention classical/folk guitar and vocal style.

Doctor Night

02-10-2006, 12:28 PM

I just can't get into them properly.

Daven

02-10-2006, 01:47 PM

^^^^I used to have that problem, but after listening To Bid You Farewell several times i got into them.

Txus

02-10-2006, 01:53 PM

^^^^I used to have that problem, but after listening To Bid You Farewell several times i got into them.
Yeah, that song is the one which got me into Opeth also and it´s still my favorite. :)

temporary

02-10-2006, 03:01 PM

Opeth for me is a perfect blend of Progressive rock and Metal.

I recently got Blackwater Park and I really love it. I prefer the classical guitar/clean guitar bits over the black metal but its all good.

Moses

02-10-2006, 03:03 PM

I recently got Blackwater Park and I really love it. I prefer the classical guitar/clean guitar bits over the black metal but its all good.
There's no black metal on that album.

temporary

02-10-2006, 03:13 PM

There's no black metal on that album.

Whatever, the ultra heavy parts with the really deep vocals. What do you call that if its not Black Metal?

Kage

02-10-2006, 03:17 PM

temporary

02-10-2006, 03:18 PM

The deep, growling vocals are more akin to death metal than black metal, and the heavy distorted guitars don't have much in common with black metal riffs either.

They're just progressive metal parts, really.

Meh, I can't keep track of all the subgenre of metal there are, let alone catagorize bands in them. Anyways, they're a good band.

Kage

02-10-2006, 03:20 PM

Meh, I can't keep track of all the subgenre of metal there are, let alone catagorize bands in them. Anyways, they're a good band.
Right, that's what's important. :)

Tarquin1986

02-10-2006, 03:43 PM

Steve Vai-Reflections

Came out last year, as prog an album as you could ask for. Vai does plenty of prog though.

Amazed no one has mentioned him yet

nowitzki

02-10-2006, 04:42 PM

The deep, growling vocals are more akin to death metal than black metal, and the heavy distorted guitars don't have much in common with black metal riffs either.

They're just progressive metal parts, really.
Those sections are most similar to death metal.
You can't really identify that style (the heavy parts) as just being progressive metal, as they are nothing like the kind of metal a band such as Symphony X or Dream Theater would play.

Poofy 666

02-10-2006, 05:00 PM

Steve Vai-Reflections

Came out last year, as prog an album as you could ask for. Vai does plenty of prog though.

Amazed no one has mentioned him yet
The only songs that I actually enjoy from that CD is Building the Church and Lotus Feet, the others are just meh

Stoic

02-10-2006, 05:37 PM

Those sections are most similar to death metal.

I wouldnt say so. Death metal riffage differs a lot.

nowitzki

02-10-2006, 05:41 PM

True, but if you had to associate it with a certain style of metal it would have to be death.

Stoic

02-10-2006, 05:51 PM

Partly yes. Not many metal bands have this kind of riffage so it's difficult to accurately categorize them :)

The Minstrel in the Gallery

02-10-2006, 06:14 PM

Jude

02-11-2006, 12:11 AM

For Opeth that has something in common with black metal (but is actually musically and listenable instead of awful cacophony) check out Orchid and Morningrise.

Kage

02-11-2006, 12:49 AM

Those sections are most similar to death metal.
You can't really identify that style (the heavy parts) as just being progressive metal, as they are nothing like the kind of metal a band such as Symphony X or Dream Theater would play.
This is just me, but I would not akin any aspect of Opeth, outside of their really early material, to death metal aside from the way the vocals are growled. Some songs have sections where I can see connections, but other than that it's just Opeth.

CaptainWaits

02-11-2006, 12:50 AM

I've just recently gotten into ELP, Gryphon, and Camel. A bunch of excellent progressive classic rock artists!

Doctor Night

02-11-2006, 03:15 AM

Yeah, ELP are fantastic.

Stoic

02-11-2006, 05:22 AM

For Opeth that has something in common with black metal (but is actually musically and listenable instead of awful cacophony) check out Orchid and Morningrise.

isnt that comment a bit too harsh? Black metal might be quite inaccessible mainly because of its production but in no way sounds like the way you've described it. This comes from a non black metal fan.

Rounder

02-11-2006, 05:25 AM

isnt that comment a bit too harsh? Black metal might be quite inaccessible mainly because of its production but in no way sounds like the way you've described it. This comes from a non black metal fan.

I don't listen to black metal either I should say, but I agree with Jude's discription of it.

Stoic

02-11-2006, 05:33 AM

I don't listen to black metal either I should say, but I agree with Jude's discription of it.

I would say you should guys think of the fact that there are many black metal sub genres and you've hardly given a chance to any of them. I'm not sure what band defines your perception of black metal but I would strongly recommend you to listen to Dissection's Where Dead Angels Lie. If you feel like trying it give me your addresses and I will send it to you. If you still think this is awful cacophony then I give up :).

Jude

02-11-2006, 09:30 AM

Thanks but no thanks, I've listened to a fair variety of black metal and all I've heard is intolerable noise. I don't understand how anyone can enjoy it, but to each his own...

Bartender

02-11-2006, 10:28 AM

Jude

02-11-2006, 10:35 AM

If you want to upload a song or two I'll give them a try, but I was just speaking from all the black metal I've ever heard.

CaptainWaits

02-11-2006, 11:03 AM

If you haven't heard Dissection, listen to them. I think even you would have a hard time describing them as intolerable noise. They've as much in common with melodic death as black metal; don't dismiss them just because you've not had much luck with a genre they're associated with so far.
Very well said.

Myself, I can't stand 95% of Black metal, but a couple of bands like Dissection and Diabolical Masquerade are always rotating in my CD player.

nowitzki

02-11-2006, 02:13 PM

There is some black metal I find unlistenable, such as Gorgoroth. But other things like Emperor I think are pretty good.

NP: Spock's Beard. I really like this band at times, seem to be a bit generic sometimes though.

Lunch

02-11-2006, 03:29 PM

I finally got Yes - Close to the Edge, along with Relayer.

Clunge

02-11-2006, 04:16 PM

I finally got Yes - Close to the Edge, along with Relayer.
Both fantastic.

The Yes Album smashes both of them, it's just too good.

classicrockman

02-11-2006, 05:16 PM

Both fantastic.

The Yes Album smashes both of them, it's just too good.
'The Yes Album' is great, but 'Fragile' is the **** to me.

ATC

02-11-2006, 05:22 PM

I bought three vinyls yesterday.

Yes- 9012 Live The Solos
Marillion- Misplaced Childhood
Traveling Wilburys- Self titled

I don't have a vinyl player though.

robo2448

02-11-2006, 05:28 PM

Close to the Edge is awesome. I haven't heard Relayer. But yeah, I also believe that the Yes Album owns anything else they ever released. Yessongs is probably my 2nd favorite.

Traveling Wilburys Vol. 1 is one of the greatest albums that I have ever heard. It has absolutely no prog aspects about it, but anyways, good pickup.