Fsu

[PenguinOfDoom]

From what I gathered from the Boston Beatdown and sources on the internet I have discovered that the FSU are horrible, violent people. I was checking out the story and understand that they were origionaly a crew that battled racism in the hardcore scene, but i don't understand the purpose of them now and they just seem like a bunch of thugs that attack and unfairly hurt people much smaller than themselves. What is there purpose these days? And also some of the bands featured in the Boston Beatdown are some of my favourite bands, as are terror who I know are followed by the FSU. I would like to know which bands support or are involved with gang activity. Some of the scences I saw in the boston beatdown sickened me and I'd be ashamed to approve of a band that advocates such horrible acts. The only band I've heard that support this cause is Donnybrook, but that don't bother me as there poo anyway IMO.

[TakeWarning]

I remember when I was in Cape Town, FSU was spray-painted up on like every single wall.

True story.

[young, loud, and andrew]

From what I gathered from the Boston Beatdown and sources on the internet I have discovered that the FSU are horrible, violent people.

TALK ****, GET HIT

OMG

[BuddyBigsby]

Donnybrook, Righteous Jams, Death Before Dishonor, Shattered Realm, and most of the bands in the BB movie are FSU or have members in FSU.

In my experience, a lot of those guys are totally cool on an individual basis, but once you get them into a big group and slap the label on them, they get into the mob mentality and that's where things go sour.

Listen to Dangers. They got beat up for writing a song against FSU. They rule. www.wearedangers.com

[srt-4]

Listen to Dangers. They got beat up for writing a song against FSU. They rule. www.wearedangers.com
i listened to the stuff on their site, and its really good. and the lyrics are great.

[REINER]

In my experience, a lot of those guys are totally cool on an individual basis, but once you get them into a big group and slap the label on them, they get into the mob mentality and that's where things go sour.
^^^

Also they have done a good amount with booking shows, benefits and stuff. But when stuff goes down somehow they always get mentioned. I'm not going to blame anyone just saying how the same stuff always seems to happen.

[Unban Me Says Cameo]

They're an easy target to pick at when stuff goes down, like Reiner said, however when it is their fault, a whole group can't be stigmatized for the actions of a few. Generally, they do keep the pits and shows safe.

[BuddyBigsby]

^^^

Also they have done a good amount with booking shows, benefits and stuff. But when stuff goes down somehow they always get mentioned. I'm not going to blame anyone just saying how the same stuff always seems to happen.

Well from what I've seen out here, a lot of those accusations are not completely unwarranted.

[BuddyBigsby]

They're an easy target to pick at when stuff goes down, like Reiner said, however when it is their fault, a whole group can't be stigmatized for the actions of a few.

But they represent the group, so you can blame the group. I'm sure not every Nazi personally put Jews in the gas chamber, but does that make them any better?

Generally, they do keep the pits and shows safe.

haha, have you ever been to a show?

[Mr. Ron]

As long as they don't start ****, whatever.

What does FSU stand for anyway?

[dom.]

friends stand united

[BuddyBigsby]

As long as they don't start ****, whatever.

They do.

[BuddyBigsby]

PS. Have any of you seen the new FSU shirts that say "FSU Gang" ?

[Mr. Ron]

They do.
The "crews" around here don;t really start anything, so I wouldn't know how they are in that part of the country. But if they start fight over nothig they ruin shows. Whats the need for "crews" anyways besides intimidation?

[PenguinOfDoom]

As long as they don't start ****, whatever.

What does FSU stand for anyway?

Haha, I was always under the impression it was f*ck sh*t up

[PenguinOfDoom]

PS. Have any of you seen the new FSU shirts that say "FSU Gang" ?

That's horrible, how can commercialise something like that. The'll leach of any new fad to earn money these days, even if it is something completly unapropriate.

[shane italian]

DANGERS FANS

lol

[ThePassionofTheKaseyPart2]

They're an easy target to pick at when stuff goes down, like Reiner said, however when it is their fault, a whole group can't be stigmatized for the actions of a few. Generally, they do keep the pits and shows safe.
what do you mean they're an easy target. when **** happens with fsu, it's not like you can pick another target

you obviously have never been to a show with fsu

[NewKindofArmy03]

I've never seen them start anything here, and they're at pretty much every hardcore show. A lot of them help with shows at the church, doing the door, security, cleaning up, etc.

[Feel The Darkness]

I've said it before when crews got talked about last time, but I'll say it again. I'm cool with the FSU dudes who have rolled through here, but that's because they only start **** in cities where they have a large group. Plus, they don't seem to want to do anything here, for obvious reasons. Texas is GAMC country, FSU ain't got **** on that. Anyways, as long as they don't try moving in on Laredo, I won't care. Also, it's usually the newjacks to FSU who start fights. The ones who have been around longer don't tend to be so antsy about proving FSU to anyone, but will if needed.

[ThePassionofTheKaseyPart2]

they're good at proving how much fsu sucks

[whiteminority]

I've said it before when crews got talked about last time, but I'll say it again. I'm cool with the FSU dudes who have rolled through here, but that's because they only start **** in cities where they have a large group. Plus, they don't seem to want to do anything here, for obvious reasons. Texas is GAMC country, FSU ain't got **** on that. Anyways, as long as they don't try moving in on Laredo, I won't care. Also, it's usually the newjacks to FSU who start fights. The ones who have been around longer don't tend to be so antsy about proving FSU to anyone, but will if needed.
GAMC?

[ThePassionofTheKaseyPart2]

some mexican gang

[whiteminority]

Damn, gangs and hardcore should not go together.

[Feel The Darkness]

Kasey, shut the **** up.

GAMC is the Grown *** Man Crew. It's basically all the older dudes in TXHC, started by Rob to Live and Gabe. It's not a gang, it never was. Since it started it has spread across the country, although not as big as FSU, still very prominent in the south. There are even some dudes reppin GAMC in South America.

TX dudes knwo what's up with GAMC, everyone outside of TX probably just thinks of them as another FSU which is a load of ****.

[Unban Me Says Cameo]

Kasey, shut the **** up.

GAMC is the Grown *** Man Crew. It's basically all the older dudes in TXHC, started by Rob to Live and Gabe. It's not a gang, it never was. Since it started it has spread across the country, although not as big as FSU, still very prominent in the south. There are even some dudes reppin GAMC in South America.

TX dudes knwo what's up with GAMC, everyone outside of TX probably just thinks of them as another FSU which is a load of ****.

Just felt like pointing out, I do agree with you about the older guys not being as tough **** as newer members. See mang, I ain't all that disagreeable.

[Feel The Darkness]

Just felt like pointing out, I do agree with you about the older guys not being as tough **** as newer members. See mang, I ain't all that disagreeable.
haha, s'all good.

[Hip White Guy]

From what I gathered from the Boston Beatdown and sources on the internet I have discovered that the FSU are horrible, violent people.
There goes your credibility.

I've never dealt with FSU, but I've never even seen anyone in a crew being a dick at all. Norcal is cool like that.

Scott, I understand that you have to deal with a fair amount of meatheads and that does suck, but your refusal to support or even listen to FSU bands are absurd and it surprises me. It seems like it's only FSU you don't like as well. You have no problem with All Bets Off, do you? Also Dangers are medicore.

I neither dislike nor endorse FSU. I hate reading about shows and venues getting shut down and people who don't deserve it getting beat down, but hey, take your scene for what it is. If it bugs you that much then don't go to shows that will attract that type of crowd. I don't see them going anywhere for a while.

[Unban Me Says Cameo]

Just carry a knife and shank anyone who messes with you if it bothers you so much. Don't be a pussy. Or bring friends of your own to get your back.

[young, loud, and andrew]

That's horrible, how can commercialise something like that. The'll leach of any new fad to earn money these days, even if it is something completly unapropriate.

They're not for sale, dummy. They are probably given to dudes in FSU...

Think about it.

[shane italian]

This thread has gay written all over it with tears.

[ThePassionofTheKaseyPart2]

Kasey, shut the **** up.

GAMC is the Grown *** Man Crew. It's basically all the older dudes in TXHC, started by Rob to Live and Gabe. It's not a gang, it never was. Since it started it has spread across the country, although not as big as FSU, still very prominent in the south. There are even some dudes reppin GAMC in South America.

TX dudes knwo what's up with GAMC, everyone outside of TX probably just thinks of them as another FSU which is a load of ****.
oh, my bad.

I must have unfairly grouped crews with gangs

[shane italian]

I guess groups of friends are just gangs too. It happens.

[BuddyBigsby]

Scott, I understand that you have to deal with a fair amount of meatheads and that does suck, but your refusal to support or even listen to FSU bands are absurd and it surprises me.

Would you support The Angry Aryans or Skrewdriver even though their music is actually decent?

I know its a bit of an extreme analogy but its basically the same idea. I'm not going to support a bunch of tools who I so strongly disagree with.

It seems like it's only FSU you don't like as well. You have no problem with All Bets Off, do you? Also Dangers are medicore.

Well, I think crews as a whole are a retarded concept but being a part of a big group of friends who I hold very dear, I understand how they can get going. Aside from the 2-bit high school kid crews, FSU are the only major crew that I've seen - with my own eyes - start stuff. DMS are cool from what I've seen and from the guys I've talked to. GAMC are cool from what I've gathered.

I was not aware All Bets Off were FSU/Crew affiliated. If its Suicide crew or whatever they call their little crew I don't care.

As for Dangers, I disagree with you about them being mediocre but really that's irrelevant. I recommended them for the message and for having the balls to come out on a subject so many people (myself admittedly included) feel so strongly about but are afraid to speak up on.

I neither dislike nor endorse FSU. I hate reading about shows and venues getting shut down and people who don't deserve it getting beat down, but hey, take your scene for what it is. If it bugs you that much then don't go to shows that will attract that type of crowd. I don't see them going anywhere for a while.

That's exactly why I don't listen to much of that music anymore. I used to like the music alright, but I got tired of the drama at the shows.

[Hip White Guy]

So you won't listen to the music because you can't see the bands without being afraid? You like to plenty of bands you'll never see, no difference.

If Skrewdriver were a totally awesome band musically I'd support them.

You say you support that Dangers stand up for what they believe in, despite the controversy. Well, so do Skrewdriver. And Donnybrook! for that matter.

[StruckEverywhere]

If Skrewdriver were a totally awesome band musically I'd support them.

Bull****, you'd be no better then an ignorant rascist.

[Hip White Guy]

Bull****, you'd be no better then an ignorant rascist.
Good logic. I enjoy Fury of Five, does that make me a meathead?

[Mr. Ron]

Bull****, you'd be no better then an ignorant rascist.
Not really. If you listened to a band that happened to be communist would you then be considered a communist? Not at all. I own Skrewdriver's "all skrewed up" album and I don't have a racist bone in my body.

[BuddyBigsby]

So you won't listen to the music because you can't see the bands without being afraid? You like to plenty of bands you'll never see, no difference.

Its not so much that, its that I have that extremely negative stigma attached to that kind of music now. Unless they're really good musically (100 Demons) or have good lyrics (Life or Death) I'm not going to bother. A lot of it is just taste change as well, that stuff bores me now.

You say you support that Dangers stand up for what they believe in, despite the controversy. Well, so do Skrewdriver. And Donnybrook! for that matter.

That's not what I said.

I like Dangers lyrically because though many people have the same sentiments, nobody else has the balls to speak out. I respect them for doing that and I SUPPORT them because I agree and I like their music.

I wouldn't say I respect Skrewdriver or Donnybrook!, let alone support them because that's not so much a message. I'll give both bands a certain degree of respect, but I will not support them because I am so strongly opposed to their message. Its the same thing with a band like Seven Generations - I have an enormous amount of respect for them, but I won't support them because some of their views are completely ****ing bull****, and they're bad people to boot.

[Hip White Guy]

Its not so much that, its that I have that extremely negative stigma attached to that kind of music now. Unless they're really good musically (100 Demons) or have good lyrics (Life or Death) I'm not going to bother. A lot of it is just taste change as well, that stuff bores me now.



That's not what I said.

I like Dangers lyrically because though many people have the same sentiments, nobody else has the balls to speak out. I respect them for doing that and I SUPPORT them because I agree and I like their music.

I wouldn't say I respect Skrewdriver or Donnybrook!, let alone support them because that's not so much a message. I'll give both bands a certain degree of respect, but I will not support them because I am so strongly opposed to their message. Its the same thing with a band like Seven Generations - I have an enormous amount of respect for them, but I won't support them because some of their views are completely ****ing bull****, and they're bad people to boot.
I understand and respect everything you said. Nothing else to argue.

[StruckEverywhere]

What I meant was, SUPPORTING a band like Skrewdriver means supporting their message, I see no two ways about it.

[Hip White Guy]

What I meant was, SUPPORTING a band like Skrewdriver means supporting their message, I see no two ways about it.
No, supporting means giving them money by purchasing CDs or merchandise.

[BuddyBigsby]

I mean there's a difference between listening to a band's music and BUYING a piece of merchandise.

Like I listen to Righteous Jams every now and then because they're kinda up my alley, but I couldn't see myself buying anything from them.

[Converge#12]

First off most of you haven't dealt with FSU Boston. None of them do much of anything. They don't start **** they watch each others backs and if someone starts with them then they will do something all you have to do is not be a dick and your fine. It's really the smaller crews that feel like they have something to prove that actually start the ****. FSU gets wrongly blamed and labelled for too much ****

[StruckEverywhere]

No, supporting means giving them money by purchasing CDs or merchandise.

Come on, your smarter than that. That money goes staright into bands abilities to tour more and put out more cd's allowing them to further spread their message.

[BuddyBigsby]

omg look at me slop on fsus nurts i hope i can be friends with fsu some day

And you haven't had to deal with FSU LA. They do start stuff.

[ThePassionofTheKaseyPart2]

Kasey is cute and always right
thanks, Scott

[Hip White Guy]

Come on, your smarter than that. That money goes staright into bands abilities to tour more and put out more cd's allowing them to further spread their message.
If I feel the music is really that good I'd support it. They'd have to be really amazing to gain support from me if they were racist, but if they were THAT good I'd give em a little money for a CD.

[NewKindofArmy03]

First off most of you haven't dealt with FSU Boston. None of them do much of anything. They don't start **** they watch each others backs and if someone starts with them then they will do something all you have to do is not be a dick and your fine. It's really the smaller crews that feel like they have something to prove that actually start the ****. FSU gets wrongly blamed and labelled for too much ****
I actually agree with this. When i've gone to suburban shows, those crews started more s'hit then i've seen FSU start.

[Feel The Darkness]

And you haven't had to deal with FSU LA. They do start stuff.
Yeah, from the looks of it, FSU in the west are the ones starting **** so much. Like I said, the older dudes refrain from such idiotic actions, although not always, thus being that FSU Boston wouldn't be the ones starting **** as it did start in Boston.

Oh, and Suicide Krew are good people for the most part. We got some SK dudes down here, and Mike Hood is a good dude from the times I've met him. He basically sparked our hc scene here in Laredo, and I thank him for that.

[StruckEverywhere]

If I feel the music is really that good I'd support it. They'd have to be really amazing to gain support from me if they were racist, but if they were THAT good I'd give em a little money for a CD.

Fair enough. For me though, no matter how good a band were, I'd never support a rascist band. I can't comment on Crew affiliated bands though, I've never had to deal with a crew here.

[Converge#12]

And you haven't had to deal with FSU LA. They do start stuff.
FSU started in Boston and is true FSU. **** LA!

[Hip White Guy]

Fair enough. For me though, no matter how good a band were, I'd never support a rascist band. I can't comment on Crew affiliated bands though, I've never had to deal with a crew here.
I can respect that as well.

Shut the **** up Converge.

[TakeWarning]

We get some pretty violent crews around here, but luckily none of them know what hardcore is.

[Mr. Ron]

We get some pretty violent crews around here, but luckily none of them know what hardcore is.
Do most of them look like this?

http://tinypic.com/m9x1ds.jpg

[TakeWarning]

Do most of them look like this?

http://tinypic.com/m9x1ds.jpg

God, that kid is ugly.

[victimofreality]

FSU started in Boston and is true FSU. **** LA!
...:rolleyes:

[BuddyBigsby]

For the record, I do agree that little suburban crews of kids that just listened to their first NYHC record cause most of the problems. I'm just saying that FSU is the worst of the bigger ones, at least out here. I've heard that LA and Seattle are pretty much the most violent factions of FSU, so I'll take that into account.

As for Boston, I've never been, so I'm really not going to comment. However if I were to go JUST off of the infamous Boston Beatdown video - like so, so many have, I would assume they were no better than a common street gang.

[shane italian]

FSU started in Boston and is true FSU. **** LA!I've said it before and I'll say it again: Boston isn't hard, kids from the suburbs would beat up inner city Boston kids.

[PenguinOfDoom]

There goes your credibility.

I've never dealt with FSU, but I've never even seen anyone in a crew being a dick at all. Norcal is cool like that. .

I don't care about credibility, I care when I see a big group of guys kick ten tonnes of Sh*t outta some kid much smaller than them for acidently hitting him in a pit. Why do you always have to act the big man, crews like what I saw on the boston beatdown are turning hardcore culture into the f*cking hip hop scence. If I lose credibilty for not wanting to support that, thats my choice. Grow up

[srt-4]

i've never seen boston beatdown. i just put it on my netflix queue.

[faith and fiction]

I don't care about credibility, I care when I see a big group of guys kick ten tonnes of Sh*t outta some kid much smaller than them for acidently hitting him in a pit. Why do you always have to act the big man, crews like what I saw on the boston beatdown are turning hardcore culture into the f*cking hip hop scence. If I lose credibilty for not wanting to support that, thats my choice. Grow upWhere in the video does it show any of the s'hit you're blubbering about?

[Mattfanatic]

and btw boston beatdown was a tonnn of footage, if you took tons of footage of people drinking in bars or sporting events, you'd still end up with a ton of fights

[srt-4]

HAHAHAHAHA. i just watched boston beatdown volume 2. that ****ing sucked so much. if they had so much footage, why did they show most of the fights twice? and the generic counter-culture, disenfranchised, speech of rebellion and inequality was so standard it actually made me laugh.

the interviewees had nothing worthwhile to say. basically, all they did was confirm that they are indeed as unintelligent as one would assume people that act that way would be. and their poor attempt at interjecting some artistry by filming the interviews in black and white with a flag-draped background added nothing to the film. it seems that all they are good at is sucker punches and attacking skinny aids infected looking techno stars.

that was a complete waste of time except that it made me thankful that i don't have to deal with that **** around here.

[Lazybassplr56]

Did you see that guy stitch the gash under his arm. Sick..

[Feel The Darkness]

Did you see that guy stitch the gash under his arm. Sick..
haha, street medic on the job.

[srt-4]

Did you see that guy stitch the gash under his arm. Sick..
ya, but it did nothing to mitigate the suckage.