Avatars

[Mr. Pickle]

All right, i have some question about avatar. First off, basically, whats your over-all opinion about them? (construction, quality, tone, etc.) Next, what do you think of their pricing? Finally, what 410 do you think edges out over the others, the neo, kappa pro, or the delta?

Please dont ask any question like, 'what tone do u want?' 'what music do you play?' and stuff like that. I wanna know what YOU think of them and which model YOU think is the best.


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[SporKsBaSSisT]

First of all. Avatar is a great company with great service and quality.

However, your question is ridiculous, and ignorant. Obviously our opinions don't matter unless they pertain to the tone you wish to obtain. For example, countless people love SWR cabinets, while I, and most people who actually perform live, will tell you they have the absolute worst blending tone for how much you actually pay for them.

Also, as far as which 410 is the best. It again has to do with your preference in tone, and needs in performance. The neo is light and punchy, but lacks the lower tones (below E). The Delta has alot of the punchyness (not as much as the neo) but has lower frequency capabilities. The Pro is the deepest, loudest, and handles the most wattage, but is also ridiculously heavy.

So, refine your question, add some intelligent meaning, and I might try to help you.

[irishslappop]

i have the 210 neo. i love it more then life it's self. first off, it is by far the best watt:dollar ratio you will find anywhere on anything. period. my cab is 600 watts RMS and it cost around 300 dollars with shipping. i run it with a 700 watt SWR and IT IS LOUD. secondly, the cab is very transparent, meaning that it does not have a "certain tone" like ampeg or sheroder (sp?). it uses the tone that your bass and head create and adds almost no tone from the cab it's self. and thrid off, its solid as a rock. being me, i took as much apart as i could and the think is solid, i would feel confident dropping this down my thriteen stairs in my house. the 2 10's have a better bass responce then most ampegs and the adjustable horn is great for how much treble you want or dont want.

if your looking for loud and transparent. this will do it.

[irishslappop]

However, your question is ridiculous, and ignorant.:rolleyes:

i see absolutely nothing ridiculous or ignorant about this question

All right, i have some question about avatar. First off, basically, whats your over-all opinion about them? (construction, quality, tone, etc.)

[SporKsBaSSisT]

:rolleyes:

i see absolutely nothing ridiculous or ignorant about this question

I was speaking of his rejecting our asking of his preferred tone, etc. Perhaps taking my whole post into context would yield you from an attempt at flaming me.

Thanks.

[irishslappop]

I was speaking of his rejecting our asking of his preferred tone, etc. Perhaps taking my whole post into context would yield you from an attempt at flaming me.

Thanks.
at flaming you? did i insult you in any way? no im simply stated that your attemp to "flame" pickle was unnessesary. thats all. don't get bent out of shape about it bro.

heres an idea. howabout we stop hijacking his thread and answer the question ya?

[SporKsBaSSisT]

at flaming you? did i insult you in any way? no im simply stated that your attemp to "flame" pickle was unnessesary. thats all. don't get bent out of shape about it bro.

heres an idea. howabout we stop hijacking his thread and answer the question no?

I am not bent out of shape.

And yes, I have given all of the info I can without further input from the threadstarter.

[WhoDidTheElf]

I've played their neo 4x10. I must say I was quite pleased. They put out a pretty color less tone.

As for spork's comment on SWR's. I own a SWR 2x10. And it does just fine live. It gives me the tone I want, and the punch I need.

[kilian]

I prefered the 112 over the 210 neo, because of the boom the 112 gave me and the 210 lacks. That said: I love mine.

Does that help you? No it doesn't. But it states again that Avatar is nice.

[Acrophobia]

And I thought this was a thread about those little pictures you have below your username. Silly me :)

[Mr. Pickle]

First of all. Avatar is a great company with great service and quality.

However, your question is ridiculous, and ignorant.


do u know what ignorant means? i was asking which ones YOU like. i said not to ask about what type of tone i'm going for, because thats not something that concerns me yet. once i find the pros and cons of the avatars construction, reliability, etc. that's when tone comes into play. thanks nonetheless.

[Mr. Pickle]

so the people like the kappa? (keep in mind weight really isnt a problem for me) please give me all the info you have on any of them, i'm just in the learning process right now.

thanks

[sanray]

And I thought this was a thread about those little pictures you have below your username. Silly me :)

why are you afraid of heights? or do you like bad astronaut?

[edgebass5]

My impression of the ones I've tried recently is this:
Delta and Neo series: they are VERY similar to the SWR Workingman's gear to my ears.

Kappa Pro series: Actually have a similar vibe to older ampeg products, i.e. very deep, dark and bassy with a slightly muted top end.

[Spencer]

My opinion: there customer service is great the construction is great but the sound is less than great. It was my first cab so I didn't know what to expect but it never sounded right to me. Sounded cheap and didn't handle lower notes very well [2x10] it also isn't great when you turn the volume up. When I did play other cabs I realized how much better they were. Even at guitar center once my girlfriend was like wow how come you sound so good? She said my gear sounded bad when turned up but everything else I played she thought it was amazing. So if she can tell [no music experience] then many others should too that it really is crappy. Maby I got a flaw but I will never buy from them agian unless it was just the cab without the speakers.

[doodooking]

My opinion: there customer service is great the construction is great but the sound is less than great. It was my first cab so I didn't know what to expect but it never sounded right to me. Sounded cheap and didn't handle lower notes very well [2x10] it also isn't great when you turn the volume up. When I did play other cabs I realized how much better they were. Even at guitar center once my girlfriend was like wow how come you sound so good? She said my gear sounded bad when turned up but everything else I played she thought it was amazing. So if she can tell [no music experience] then many others should too that it really is crappy. Maby I got a flaw but I will never buy from them agian unless it was just the cab without the speakers.

which 210 did you get?

[Mr. Pickle]

so what does everyone else think about the low end? is it just that it's not very present, or does it just no handle them well when its cranked? (we play really loud and i need something to suffice.)

now i'm going into what i'm kind of going for. i have been more of a low's and warm kind of guy pretty much since i started, but now i'm looking to get into high and punchy, will the kappa still perform well for the type of sound or is it more of a lows type?

thanks again

[Spencer]

which 210 did you get?

the cheaper one they make

[irishslappop]

well no matter what people say, these have a lot of low end. and no, that isn't my opinion, its fact. look at the specs for their speakers on the cab your looking at. it will tell you EXSACTLY how much low end and high end your gonna get. period. it has bass responce, frequency range and numerous other factors involving the limits of the speakers.

[irishslappop]

the cheaper one they make
could have something to do with the cheap tone.

[irishslappop]

so what does everyone else think about the low end? is it just that it's not very present, or does it just no handle them well when its cranked? (we play really loud and i need something to suffice.)

now i'm going into what i'm kind of going for. i have been more of a low's and warm kind of guy pretty much since i started, but now i'm looking to get into high and punchy, will the kappa still perform well for the type of sound or is it more of a lows type?

thanks again
if you want a better cab that handles low end and has TONS of punch get the neo, you wont regret spending a few more dollars, you will regret spending your money on something that doesn't preform like you would like it to.

triple post

[Mr. Pickle]

thanks for all you help irish and everyone else. last question, at least that i can think of now, does the neo handle extreme (nothing to big, but to keep up with a loud drummer and a 50w tube amp) volumes well. thats one problem i'm having with my current cab, when it gets to loud i get a lot of unpleasant speaker rattling.

[Spencer]

could have something to do with the cheap tone.

yea well I don't want to get another one from them to see if thats what it is.

[caffeeeine]

I love mine. I'm pretty sure I have a 4x10 Delta and 1x15 PRO. I'm not positive on the 1x15, it's the one that can handle 600 watts I believe. The cabs are pretty transparent which some people don't like but I do. As far as low-end, the 1x15 provides more than enough for me.

[AcerbicCunnt77]

I have the 2x12 neo. I love it.

It's exactly the tone I want, with the perfect amount of everything. It can get loud without buzzing or any such thing. Packs punch and lows with enough treble to not sound muddly. Its pretty transparent and doesnt seem to "color" the tone at all. I like my treble to be up around 3/4 of the way most of the time and it can be a little "buzzy" but that can come from the head or cheap speaker cable.

Hope I helped a bit

[Psychopsilocybin]

I have a 2x10 Delta and Im biased because it's my first cab, and haven't really compared it to others. I can tell the the low end isn't super defined, but that's to be expected from the Delta speakers and the fact that they are 10 inches. Also, the tweeter is quite noisy, but this might just be an isolated problem. Everything else about it is great, definetly worth what I paid for it (170 bucks)

[jollygiantchris]

i have the B212 Delta and its pretty great. good tone and handles the low end nicely, as far as volume/sound quality goes though i am running a yorkville XS400 which is 400 watts at 4ohms and i have only turned it up to 6 (which is deafening i would like 2 add) and i play along with drums/guitar(on 50watt tube) just fine i could dwarf the guitar/drums if i pumped it up anymore

[Mr. Pickle]

yay! another question. on their site, it say caster are like $9.00. is that installed or just the price to have them sent with it or w/e?

[Mr. Pickle]

EDIT: crap, i just actually tried answering one of my own questions...


they dont come installed.

[irishslappop]

well the neo is 600 watts RMS. thats pretty stout. to know if it'll be ok when your dranked with your band id have to know what head you'll be plything through.

with my 700w SWR, the neo has no problem at all keeping up with a loud drummer or my guitarist's 300 watt solid state 4x12.

[kilian]

Ehh.. I didn't really find superb bass in the Neo series when I played them. If the Kappa series sound anything like the Ampeg classic cabinets; those do have the lowend.

I would personally get a 112 and a 210 on top of that for a boomy, but still articulate sound.

[Mr. Pickle]

well the neo is 600 watts RMS. thats pretty stout. to know if it'll be ok when your dranked with your band id have to know what head you'll be plything through.

your neo is 600 rms or the 410? b/c i thought the 410 was like 1200.


i'm using a qsc 850, which i would probably run on bridged mono, which is like 800w i believe...?. i'm not poitive, i use parallel right now.

[irishslappop]

oh yeah sorry i was thinking of my 2x10 :p. but yeah 800w is PLENTY

[SporKsBaSSisT]

I have the B115H Delta and the B410 Kappa. The 410 Kappa has about 2000watts RMS handling. The 115 has 600.

It sounds better than anything I see at guitar center. I'm sure an epifani, or bagend would sound better. aguilar too. but this cost a fraction of the price. I'm plenty loud, and i play with a loud drummer, and two 100w+ halfstacks.