Vince Young Headed for NFL Draft [Archive]

Guitar_fool202

01-08-2006, 06:32 PM

Linky no workey.

I really think college athletes should finish their schooling before going into the pros. If they fail or get injured, they would have little to fall back on. Young is amazing, though. Will the Texans be getting him?

no the texans will go for reggie and then lienart or young might go to san fran cause alex smith isnt living up to his "hype"

i believe young might go to the saints cause of aaron brooks lack their of ability and all of the injurys he gets. and leinart will probably go in the top ten but to what team is beyond me.

tycoon531

01-08-2006, 06:59 PM

vince young is doin good.. for college

i dont think he will be to hot in the nfl

The Stig

01-08-2006, 07:01 PM

I'd pick Young over Bush...Overall, I've been more impressed with Young in the little bit I've seen of the two teams play.

tycoon531

01-08-2006, 07:05 PM

are you kidding me ... bush will go way earlier than young, probably first.
he runs, he blocks, he catches, he has to be one of the best runners iv seen in a while

ihatemybass

01-08-2006, 07:07 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt=AqwA9yxt0s4Di96b2a1OjPgcvrYF?slug=ap-vinceyoung-nfl&prov=ap&type=lgns
This link should work.

ihatemybass

01-08-2006, 07:10 PM

no the texans will go for reggie and then lienart or young might go to san fran cause alex smith isnt living up to his "hype"

i believe young might go to the saints cause of aaron brooks lack their of ability and all of the injurys he gets. and leinart will probably go in the top ten but to what team is beyond me.
I highly doubt that San Fran will go for a quarterback again in they're first round. They could use a running back right now. Maybe Lindell White.

blinkreallyfast

01-08-2006, 07:15 PM

Ohio State + playing Texas without Vince Young +Troy Smith + Relatively easy schedule = National Championship.

robo2448

01-08-2006, 07:27 PM

seanman99

01-08-2006, 08:34 PM

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/5231320

Eww Young, everybody loves him. Honestly i wouldn't pick him unless he was avaiable after the top 15.

Vince Young

01-08-2006, 09:46 PM

Smart choice even though I would of loved to see him stay another year. He'll probably play for the Titans.

rbv

01-08-2006, 10:07 PM

Smart choice even though I would of loved to see him stay another year. He'll probably play for the Titans.
Yeah he's a lot like Steve Mcnair in a way and could learn a lot from a vet like him.

moosepirate

01-08-2006, 11:57 PM

Against Miik!

01-09-2006, 12:08 AM

I think he'll probably end-up a huge bust. Not everyone is gonna realize that there is a huge difference between the USC defense and an NFL defense or even a top-10 college defense. Young has no chance running like that in the pros. Naive fans will expect miracles out of him.

True. I don't know how good a QB he would be, but he is a freak athlete. He'd make a dominant reciever for sure. I think Reggie Bush will do well in the NFL do to USC's pro style offense. Leinart will struggle at first only because he is used to being surrounded by so much talent.

I really hope Young does well though. It's not like he can't play well against good defenses. He methodically tore down Ohio States defense, and i'm sure he gets some looks against the Texas defensive players, most of whom are NFL quality players.

I'm Charming

01-09-2006, 01:25 AM

I think he'll probably end-up a huge bust. Not everyone is gonna realize that there is a huge difference between the USC defense and an NFL defense or even a top-10 college defense. Young has no chance running like that in the pros. Naive fans will expect miracles out of him.

I agree.

While Lienert is much less mobile... The USC offense is much more comparable to any NFL offense..

I would pick Lienert over young... He will be able to be placed into a offense and preform right away... While Young will take several years to get used to the NFL.

Young didn't play in a pro system at texas. He will have problems when he is forced to throw much more then he did in college... He won't be able to run like he did at Texas. I think when he is forced to throw and is unable to run as thought... He will make plenty of bad choices..... Which will mean lots of INT's.

He is not anything like Michael Vick. Vick is much faster.
Anyone who thinks they are getting Vick.. Is very wrong.

Liberi Fatali

01-09-2006, 01:39 AM

no the texans will go for reggie and then lienart or young might go to san fran cause alex smith isnt living up to his "hype" There is no way San Francisco will get Leinart or Young in replacement for Smith, no way at all.

Very few QBs are successful in their first year, Alex Smith may have been pretty poor this year, but that won't make the 49ers ditch him after just one year. It takes time for young QBs to develop, and I'm sure the 49ers realise this.

I would pick Lienert over young... He will be able to be placed into a offense and preform right away... While Young will take several years to get used to the NFL. Unless Leinart plays for a run heavy offense, he won't perform right away. Rookie QBs rarely win games, unless they are on a team that has a defense or running game that can win for them. Big Ben was one of the lucky ones whos team covered up his short comings for most of last year.

And guys, it is Leinart not Lienart.

Against Miik!

01-09-2006, 02:32 PM

I agree.

While Lienert is much less mobile... The USC offense is much more comparable to any NFL offense..

I would pick Lienert over young... He will be able to be placed into a offense and preform right away... While Young will take several years to get used to the NFL.

Young didn't play in a pro system at texas. He will have problems when he is forced to throw much more then he did in college... He won't be able to run like he did at Texas. I think when he is forced to throw and is unable to run as thought... He will make plenty of bad choices..... Which will mean lots of INT's.

He is not anything like Michael Vick. Vick is much faster.
Anyone who thinks they are getting Vick.. Is very wrong.

Yeah but Vince Young is a far better passer. Everybody keys in on Vick as a runner because he can't throw, which still makes him basically one demenstional. Young was the highest rated passer in Division 1 football this year, which is quite an accomplishment consider his running ability. He is also a smarter runner than Vick. He knows when to get out of bounds or when to get down. He may not be as good an athlete as Vick, but I think he will be a better football player, at least from what i've seen. Don't hold me to that because you never know how guys will adapt to the NFL.

DuckinFutch

01-09-2006, 03:59 PM

I think the Texans will take Reggie, although they should trade the pick away for an offensive line.

The Saints will take Young, and basically get shafted. Again.

And the Titans will take Leinart.

my .02$

S_Gates

01-09-2006, 04:25 PM

seanman99

01-09-2006, 04:25 PM

infeef

01-09-2006, 06:01 PM

Regardless of how USC's offense is, ever see who they played this year? ALL PAC-10 TEAMS! The 3rd string defense on ANY pro team would have been better than any Pac-10 team, peroid. When Leinhart (<<right spelling) played against Texas' defense (maybe the equivalent of a 2nd string pro d), he looked horrible. Personally, I wouldn't want Leinhart or Young.

hey the oregon ducks are a good football team...they just fall apart in big situations when they are having QB problems.

as for young, i think the jets or itans would do well to pick him, and wichever one doesnt had better nab Leinart.

Illmatic

01-09-2006, 06:15 PM

I wouldn't plug Leinart or Young into an NFL offense right away, that's just absurd. Young still has to work on his passing mechanics (although his running ability would make him more successful than Leinart in that situation) and Leinart would get killed by NFL defenses.

Hababi

01-09-2006, 06:36 PM

The Texans aren't going to keep the 1st pick. They're not going to draft Young or Bush. Dominick Davis is a solid running back and I still believe that David Carr can be a good QB. Their problem is that they simply do not have an offensive line. They need to upgrade that.

What you're saying is the smart thing, but I think the Texans will cave to the public pressure and do the dumb thing. Hey, I think Reggie Bush is going to be a great NFL player, but Davis is a 1,100+ back and they're in desperate need of an offensive line so that Carr doesn't get killed next season.

I think Leinart will be ok, even in his rookie season. He'll be much better than Alex Smith :p

seanman99

01-09-2006, 06:45 PM

He'll be much better than Alex Smith :p

Can anybody be worse?

I'm Charming

01-09-2006, 08:04 PM

Can anybody be worse?

Ryan Leaf.... People thought he was in the league of Peyton Manning in that draft...:p

seanman99

01-09-2006, 08:51 PM

Ryan Leaf.... People thought he was in the league of Peyton Manning in that draft...:p

Haha i knew someone would bring him up.

01-09-2006, 09:05 PM

i think it's smart for him, as much as i want him to stay, but if he gets hurt his senior year it could hurt his chances to go pro

DuckinFutch

01-09-2006, 09:29 PM

I don't think you guys are giving these young QB's a chance...

Saying in the other thread that Aaron Rodgers should be replaced, and now that the 49er's should draft a QB....

Carson Palmer was sh*t the first season he actually played. Eli Manning was complete crap last year for the giants...

These QB's need to develop before they'll become any good...

Illmatic

01-09-2006, 11:25 PM

Carson Palmer was sh*t the first season he actually played

On the contrary, he looked pretty sharp for most of that season.

Ryan Leaf.... People thought he was in the league of Peyton Manning in that draft

Did you know that his kid brother plays for Oregon? He is going to be the anti-Eli, with scouts staying away from him just because of his bloodline.

People bring up Domanick Davis being a 1,000 yard rusher. Well, yeah, but can you think of a more mundane 1,000-yard rusher? He does not bring a whole lot to the table. Especially with Andre Johnson having gone Swayze, the Texans are in the market for a playmaker, which is why they will seriously consider Bush (although I feel they should trade down; Bush is going to have to demand a package of picks similar to the one Ricky Williams commanded in 1999).

And in regards to Alex Smith: he was never a franchise quarterback, and drafting him #1 was the dumbest move the Niners could have ever made. And throwing him out there like a sacrificial lamb this season may have hurt him more than helped him.

I'm Charming

01-09-2006, 11:45 PM

On the contrary, he looked pretty sharp for most of that season.

Did you know that his kid brother plays for Oregon? He is going to be the anti-Eli, with scouts staying away from him just because of his bloodline.

People bring up Domanick Davis being a 1,000 yard rusher. Well, yeah, but can you think of a more mundane 1,000-yard rusher? He does not bring a whole lot to the table. Especially with Andre Johnson having gone Swayze, the Texans are in the market for a playmaker, which is why they will seriously consider Bush (although I feel they should trade down; Bush is going to have to demand a package of picks similar to the one Ricky Williams commanded in 1999).

And in regards to Alex Smith: he was never a franchise quarterback, and drafting him #1 was the dumbest move the Niners could have ever made. And throwing him out there like a sacrificial lamb this season may have hurt him more than helped him.

I know... It's Brady Leaf I think... He is Ryan Leaf "esque"... He underthrew that pass down by the goal line against UO in the bowl game.

I wonder... Would anyone take a chance on Kellen Clemmons? The oregon starting QB, this was his senior year but he broke his leg and missed the last half or so of the season.

He was a pretty good QB. Stat wise he was right with Leinhart.

Zmev

01-10-2006, 02:43 AM

The 49ers dumped $49 million on the kid, no way they're getting a quarterback.

I hope there are good offensive linemen in the draft.

Hababi

01-10-2006, 02:09 PM

Ryan Leaf.... People thought he was in the league of Peyton Manning in that draft...

In pure stats, Smith had a worse season. Worse TD to INT ratio, more fumbles...

The thing is, Smith is a mature guy, whereas Leaf was a whiny, spoiled brat. Smith may play badly on the field, but at least he's a team player.

although I feel they should trade down; Bush is going to have to demand a package of picks similar to the one Ricky Williams commanded in 1999).

Exactly. With no offensive line, even Reggie Bush won't be able to do much. They need to replace that OL, and then hope Carr lives up to his hype.

TurnOnTheLight

01-10-2006, 02:52 PM

I highly doubt that San Fran will go for a quarterback again in they're first round. They could use a running back right now. Maybe Lindell White.

Lindale White will be a better runningback in the NFL than Reggie Bush will be.

The Texans aren't going to keep the 1st pick. They're not going to draft Young or Bush. Dominick Davis is a solid running back and I still believe that David Carr can be a good QB. Their problem is that they simply do not have an offensive line. They need to upgrade that.

Vince Young would look nice in a Jets uniform... so would Reggie Bush actually.

Rumor has it we're trading the #1 pick down to SF for their pick and a good lineman from them and using their pick to get a lineman from the draft. It's not that we have unskilled linemen, it's that they play like idiots. In the last home game of the season, from the corner endzone I watched atleast one person on the line either not giving a full effort at blocking or just not blocking at all. Either way I'm confident the Texans are gonna make a good choice. In the past years we drafted Andre Johnson who did very well up to this year (thanks alot Coach Capers), Dunta Robinson who shoulda been a pro-bowler in his rookie year, and Jerome Mathis who is a pro-bowler in his rookie year.

I think he'll probably end-up a huge bust. Not everyone is gonna realize that there is a huge difference between the USC defense and an NFL defense or even a top-10 college defense. Young has no chance running like that in the pros. Naive fans will expect miracles out of him.

I saw Vince Young play in Highschool. If I was a year older I might have actually played against him and Drew Tate (Iowa State? starting QB). He was doing the things he did in college in Highschool and when he went to Texas people were saying the same thing but he adapted to a higher level of defense. Naive Reggie Bush fans are already expecting him to go to the NFL and becoming a legend. Ron Dayne was bigger in college than Reggie was and I don't think anyone wants a reminder of what happened to his career.

The bottom line is Vince Young has to learn how to release his passes higher. If he keeps throwing them from a low release, it's gonna get batted down .

TurnOnTheLight

01-10-2006, 02:57 PM

In pure stats, Smith had a worse season. Worse TD to INT ratio, more fumbles...

The thing is, Smith is a mature guy, whereas Leaf was a whiny, spoiled brat. Smith may play badly on the field, but at least he's a team player.

Exactly. With no offensive line, even Reggie Bush won't be able to do much. They need to replace that OL, and then hope Carr lives up to his hype.

Carr hasn't lived up to the money he's being payed. He's too coachable. He'll do anything he's told without questioning it, even when he knows that the certain play isn't going to help the team. When Dom Capers goes to the run instead of the pass when the run has been shut down all game a QB needs to atleast stand up for what the rest of the team is thinking. If someone woulda gave Capers a piece of their mind about the run-pass ratio no matter what discipline they would have gotten for it, Andre Johnson might have had a better year. I gotta feeling AJohnsons days as a Texan are gonna come to a close soon.

DuckinFutch

01-10-2006, 07:23 PM

Ron Dayne was bigger in college than Reggie was and I don't think anyone wants a reminder of what happened to his career.

Are you serious?!?!

Reggie Bush is supposed to be the best player ever to play the game, according to a lot of analysts. It's almost impossible to be any bigger than him. Ron Dayne wasn't that huge, he wasn't even the first pick, I believe...

I have no idea what you're talking about...

seanman99

01-10-2006, 07:51 PM

Reggie Bush is supposed to be the best player ever to play the game, according to a lot of analysts.

As good as Bush is and as good as he will be, i doubt he will be the greatest ever or even in the top 5.

Guitar_fool202

01-10-2006, 10:03 PM

As good as Bush is and as good as he will be, i doubt he will be the greatest ever or even in the top 5.

Ya even more so if the universe/NFL goes on for 300000000000000 more years.

Reggie is Great. if i had a fantasy team id choose him. but is reggie an all around RB?

my only concern for reggie would be when they give him the ball u the middle on short yardage.

I'm Charming

01-11-2006, 02:45 AM

Texans need a OL more then a running back...

Pick bush and trade him?

seanman99

01-11-2006, 03:19 PM

Ya even more so if the universe/NFL goes on for 300000000000000 more years.

Reggie is Great. if i had a fantasy team id choose him. but is reggie an all around RB?

my only concern for reggie would be when they give him the ball u the middle on short yardage.

In the Rose Bowl he was stuffed up the middle. Only when he could use his speed on the outside did anything happen for him.

Illmatic

01-11-2006, 03:40 PM

Ron Dayne was bigger in college than Reggie was and I don't think anyone wants a reminder of what happened to his career.

The difference was that Dayne was a lumbering oaf with mediocre burst and agility, who happened to play behind a monster Wisconsin offensive line. Being a great college player does not mean that the experts assume he is a good pro prospect; why do you think no one is uttering a word about, and I hate to use cross-sport comparison here, J.J. Redick's pro career?

And I don't even think people were that crazy about Dayne, either. He went in the second half of the first round in the NFL Draft, which if I remember was where a lot of people had him going (as opposed to the unanimous opinion of Bush going top 3, if not #1). When it comes to hype, Bush is more comparable to Ricky Williams (in that both had legitimate talent and people were unanimous in thinking that they would set the NFL on fire), and Bush doesn't have Ricky's flaky personality, so you can't say "and well all know how that turned out"

That's like saying, "Ty Detmer was big in college, and we all know what happened to him in the NFL" as a negative for a productive college quarterback.

In pure stats, Smith had a worse season. Worse TD to INT ratio, more fumbles...

The thing is, Smith is a mature guy, whereas Leaf was a whiny, spoiled brat. Smith may play badly on the field, but at least he's a team player.

I think another difference is expectations. Coming out of the spread option in Utah, a lot of people predicted that it would take a while for him to adapt in the NFL. In Leaf's rookie year many people assumed that he was going to be able to run the Chargers from the get-go and was often (perhaps unfairly?) put into competition with Manning.

Also, Smith ended the year on a (relatively) high note and never had a game as bad as the 1-for-15 game Leaf had.

Hababi

01-11-2006, 03:42 PM

re Ron Dayne: Dayne had more career yards in college but he played all four years. There were people who warned his style wouldn't translate well to the NFL, that he had little upside and natural setbacks that'd hurt him in the league, and they turned out to be right. Not really comparable to Bush.

Hababi

01-11-2006, 03:44 PM

Ray you beat me to the punch :(

But yeah, the JJ Reddick comparison is good. So to you could compare him to Trajan Langdon or Christian Laetner.

TurnOnTheLight

01-11-2006, 07:16 PM

Ray you beat me to the punch :(

But yeah, the JJ Reddick comparison is good. So to you could compare him to Trajan Langdon or Christian Laetner.

More good college basketball players have bad pro careers than football players. Dajuan Wagner for example. In a single highschool game he scored over 100 points. I know it's just highschool but that's a big accomplishment. In the pros he was doing decent and then kinda fizzled. I think Shane Battier fizzled in the pros too, he should be ALOT better than he is now. Back to football... I think the whole Reggie thing is alot of hype. In alot of listings of players 40 times everytime I look up his it says unavaliable probably to keep his stock in the draft up but it's not really going down anyways. Like I said earlier, Lendale White is going to be a better pro than Reggie Bush. Anyone agree/disagree with me on that one. Vince Young update: supposedly he's going to be at some Rocket's games coming up to check out the city (according to the news). Doesn't make alot of sense because he was raised and played highschool football here.

TheDMV

01-11-2006, 07:19 PM

I'm a little dissapointed to hear this. I was really looking forward to another season at Texas for him.

Hababi

01-11-2006, 07:43 PM

I think Shane Battier fizzled in the pros too, he should be ALOT better than he is now.

I don't think so. When he came out of college, most pegged him to be a player who'd be a very good role player for 10-12 years, and that's basically what he's been. No one ever said Battier was going to averrage 25 points per game. What is going to do is provide good defense, leadership, hustle, and a solid third option.

Against Miik!

01-11-2006, 10:15 PM

Reggie Bush is an athlete. He needs to play wide reciever. He cannot be an every down back in the NFL. He'll get killed as soon as he runs into Brian Urlacher. The greatest NFL backs, guys like Jim Brown, OJ Simpson, Gale Sayers, Eric Dickerson etc... could run THROUGH guys, then turn on the jets and score. I don't see Bush doing that a lot. Maybe i'm wrong, but he could struggle in the NFL until he adapts.

DuckinFutch

01-11-2006, 10:29 PM

Gale Sayers = Reggie Bush

They're SO similar...

But then again, Sayers had like, 5 good, injury free years, about 8 years total...

so yea, you're right

TurnOnTheLight

01-12-2006, 08:06 AM

I don't think so. When he came out of college, most pegged him to be a player who'd be a very good role player for 10-12 years, and that's basically what he's been. No one ever said Battier was going to averrage 25 points per game. What is going to do is provide good defense, leadership, hustle, and a solid third option.

I still think Battier can be more than a roleplayer. He could get 25 a game if he was on a different team. The Grizzlies aren't that bad of a team this year they just get a bad rep for being the Grizzlies kinda how the Clippers always get a bad rep just because of their history.

moosepirate

01-12-2006, 02:52 PM

Like I said earlier, Lendale White is going to be a better pro than Reggie Bush. Anyone agree/disagree with me on that one

I don't really agree. Lendale appears more durable, but Bush isn't a 30 carry a game back. He'd be effective with 15 carries plus punt and kick returns plus catching a few screens. This season, White was basically the third priority for defenses, thus explaining his stats. This was especially apparent against the Texas defense, where power was sacrificed for speed in order to control Bush's outside running and the pass game. Depending on where he goes, White will be fortunate to rush for over 1000 yards next year.

apple pie

01-12-2006, 02:59 PM

The texans should pick a QB, they should franchise Davis (RB) get rid of Carr to the Bears maybe for a draft pick.

Hababi

01-12-2006, 03:13 PM

The texans should pick a QB, they should franchise Davis (RB) get rid of Carr to the Bears maybe for a draft pick.

Why? What good is Young (who needs a year to learn the position better) or Lienart (who can lead a good team but not a bad one) do when their offensive line is downright offensive??

Reggie Bush is an athlete. He needs to play wide reciever. He cannot be an every down back in the NFL. He'll get killed as soon as he runs into Brian Urlacher. The greatest NFL backs, guys like Jim Brown, OJ Simpson, Gale Sayers, Eric Dickerson etc... could run THROUGH guys, then turn on the jets and score. I don't see Bush doing that a lot. Maybe i'm wrong, but he could struggle in the NFL until he adapts.

Remember that Marshall Faulk was always smaller than average, too.

apple pie

01-12-2006, 06:58 PM

[QUOTE=Trilemma]Why? What good is Young (who needs a year to learn the position better) or Lienart (who can lead a good team but not a bad one) do when their offensive line is downright offensive??
QUOTE]

Alrite but Young is mobile so if nothing is open he could be like a low level Vick, where as Carr is like Daige from the NHL

TurnOnTheLight

01-14-2006, 03:24 PM

Why? What good is Young (who needs a year to learn the position better) or Lienart (who can lead a good team but not a bad one) do when their offensive line is downright offensive??

It's ok if it takes Young a year to learn the position. The Texans aren't looking for a quick fix. You can't go from a 2-14 season to a succesful season with the #1 draft pick and a new coach. After thinking it over, we will probably draft Bush. The last time a Houston team had the first pick the Rockets got Yao Ming. Everyone knew he was a candidate for #1 but alot of people down here thought we were going to draft someone else because Yao was just to obvious of a pick. Houston sports are usually unpredictable but this year I'm just gonna stop with all the scenarios of who we could draft and just go with the obvious.

Illmatic

01-14-2006, 11:15 PM

Why? What good is Young (who needs a year to learn the position better) or Lienart (who can lead a good team but not a bad one) do when their offensive line is downright offensive??

Young's instincts are just good enough to survive with a bad line for a few years, and he is popular enough in Texas to boost attendance (I haven't looked at any numbers yet but I doubt that Houstonians are breaking down doors to see the Texans). And if he goes to the Titans and becomes a success, the damage to Houston football would be off the charts.

Drafting Young wouldn't be the smartest thing, but it is a wholly understandable move. The lack of stud linemen in this draft (D'Brickashaw Ferguson's senior year was iffy, although I guess Marcus McNeil would still be a good pick) would have to be another factor here.