There is absolutly no justice in this world. (A furious Rant)

[GeorgeHarrison]

Today i learned an important lesson, there is no justice in this world. Of all places in the world, i learned this lesson at a highschool battle of the bands competition. Me and my freinds played there not more than 3 hours ago. We were one of 5 bands that played. Now, if i were to describe our band, we are sort of a 60's pop band, infused with a 50's rock feel, and some blues tossed in there as well. Now, im not one to toot my own horn, but we are one of the few actually original bands in our area. And thats not even Bull**** or exaggeration. Every band seems to be trying to duplicate the success of other popular bands of today. So what you get is a handful of bands that are in no way actually unique or even talented for that matter. The main band we were up against was a band called "Intrigue". They are literally one of the worst bands i have heard. Again, no exaggeration, no bull****. They are horrid. They are an emo/screemo/"Post Harcore" (Whatever the hell that means, someone please inform me as to what post harcore is.) band. And basically, they got on stage and jumped around like a bunch of epileptic baboons overdoseing on crack cocain, thrashed the **** out of there instruments to the point where you cant hear anything, and screemed at the top of there lungs, again, to the point of not even being able to comprehend what they are saying. Now, we got on stage and played a completly awesome set. With 2 original songs of ours (Monkey see Monkey Do and "ADD blues", and a cover of "Red House" by Jimi hendrix. Now im not one to lie, i will tell you we played amazing. Our guitarist completly wailed on every song with screeming guitar solo's (Especially on Red House") and me and my freind Erik played a seemingly flawless rythym section. Again, not to toot my own horn or anything, but i can play amazing bass, mostly and instrument that is extremly overlooked toda y.
Now, the voting was done by audience applause, and of course the band "Intrigue" shipped as many mindless drones as possible to cheer for them. So they obviously got a better crowd reaction, and won, unfortunatly.
This is where i get completly frustrated to the point where i want to tare all of my hair in rage. How is that a completly musically talented band plays their F***ing hearts out and some emo/screemo/harcore band comes out and plays 4 power cords and jumps around for 15 minutes wins a competition. This is absolutly mind boggling to me. At what time in our history did it not become about musical talent and skill, and became more about how you dress, act, and look. (Guessing since Mtv came about but oh well.). It just makes no sense to me. I usually dont go on rants like this, but this event truely disturbed me.
One thing that i did notice however, was when i was walking out of the highschool, is that alot of people were walking out and saying things like (How the hell did they win. I couldnt understand wtf they were even singing etc.) And i got countless handshakes from adults saying how much they enjoyed our music. That really made me happy. To know that there are people out there that get it.
So what our your opinions i guess? i dont know if this is a good discussion topic or whatever, but i just had to type this up to realease some anger. If you want you can check you Intrigues website to listen to them if you like. its

http://www.purevlume.com/intrigue

Thanks for reading.

[HappyMarshmellow]

Stop whining about how you lost, you crybaby.

Didn't you think of this before you went onstage? You won't win if you play good music, you'll win if you appease the masses. Seeing as music is entertainment, you have to basically play dress-up and play what the people want to hear if you want to win.

Ergo, the competition isn't about musical talent.

Most really good painters don't become famous in their lifetime. They are discovered posthumously and then their pieces sell for tons of money.

If you want to starve, paint a masterpiece. If you want some money, paint what the people want to see.

[GeorgeHarrison]

yeah, well, thats bull****. And im not mad that we lost. I know that we played a great show. And the Crowd DID enjoy it very much. But saying that its not about musical talent is completly absurd.

[HappyMarshmellow]

yeah, well, thats bull****. And im not mad that we lost. I know that we played a great show. And the Crowd DID enjoy it very much. But saying that its not about musical talent is completly absurd.

Ugh, you're too stubborn.

You're just furious because you didn't end up in the spotlight.

A word of warning: your fame will expire long before your greed is quenched. If your goal is to be the apple in the eyes of the masses, you won't get very far by playing what you think is awesome, you have to appease the masses.

Keeping the people entertained is a very tough job.

[emo is so cool]

i think "60's rock" is boring, but if you try to emulate todays popular bands, youll have the most fans.

[GeorgeHarrison]

Ugh, you're too stubborn.

You're just furious because you didn't end up in the spotlight.

A word of warning: your fame will expire long before your greed is quenched. If your goal is to be the apple in the eyes of the masses, you won't get very far by playing what you think is awesome, you have to appease the masses.

Keeping the people entertained is a very tough job.

You just have to understand that its so ****ing nerveracking to work weeks and weeks putting your heart and soul into making something actually original, and getting stepped on the nutsack by a bunch of guys that look like women who probably took 2 days to come up with the idea of leeching off other bands success. Music is suppoed to be about originality, not about regurgitating flavor of the year ideas. And we have lost that principle.

[I'm Charming]

Talant > popularity

[GeorgeHarrison]

Talant > popularity

Thank you.

[HappyMarshmellow]

You just have to understand that its so ****ing nerveracking to work weeks and weeks putting your heart and soul into making something actually original, and getting stepped on the nutsack by a bunch of guys that look like women who probably took 2 days to come up with the idea of leeching off other bands success. Music is suppoed to be about originality, not about regurgitating flavor of the year ideas. And we have lost that principle.

I understand perfectly.

You play sixties rock, at least you have fans. I play death metal, I have NO FANS at ALL.

Music is supposed to be about originality, but not popular music. Popular music, like I said, is based on keeping the consumers happy by feeding them whatever it is that they want to hear.

EDIT

By the way, I'm not going against you, other than to tell you to stop whining.

I know the system sucks. But go ahead, try to change it.

[Drunken Viking]

Sounds to me like your really mad, hence the angry rant.


Did you ever stop to think that maybe when you were busy bitching about how bad you thought they were that maybe they played some good stuff, maybe not stuff that you would enjoy, but you weren't voting were you, the audience was, maybe they liked them more then they liked you?

Besides if you know you are such amazing musicans it shouldn't matter if you one some meaningless talent show right. BTW, you "toot your own horn" every sentance.

[HappyMarshmellow]

Sounds to me like your really mad, hence the angry rant.


Did you ever stop to think that maybe when you were busy bitching about how bad you thought they were that maybe they played some good stuff, maybe not stuff that you would enjoy, but you weren't voting were you, the audience was, maybe they liked them more then they liked you?

Besides if you know you are such amazing musicans it shouldn't matter if you one some meaningless talent show right. BTW, you "toot your own horn" every sentance.

I agree entirely.

And it seems he made this thread for the sole purpose of gaining people to support his weak ego.

[Aus_rock_god]

Dude, I hate to break it to you, but at battle of the bands the audience is hearing original music that they more that likely havn't heard before. And most of the time the volume is too loud for new listeners to pick up anything, so the audience tends to use the band's "mood" to judge on wether to have a good time or not.

In the studio, it's about talent, and creativity. But on stage it's totally different.

My theory behind it (and everything in music), is that when you are playing a musical instrument, you're downloading your thoughts and feelings into the instrument and turning it into sound. If you're not having a good time, or you're just focused on playing everything spot on, that's what comes out.

The sound travels to the audience's ears, and they turn it back into thought and feel, basically, what you do.

But if you're having an awesome time (so good, that you feel like jumping around like an 'epeleptic baboon'), and you're playing your instrument completely from the hip and just enjoying the sounds you're making, then that's how the audience will feel.

Again, if you're absolutely focused on not f*cking up, and you're focusing on playing the notes, than the only members of the audience who are able to relate to you are the musicians.

That's why the sh!tty Emo band won (and yes, it sh!ts me that it's not about anything but gimmicks these days).

Don't worry about it anyway. My band had a similar problem with another local band. But in the end, we just kept doing what we're doing and now we're the headliners and they're the support act. So f*ck em.

[GeorgeHarrison]

Sounds to me like your really mad, hence the angry rant.


Did you ever stop to think that maybe when you were busy bitching about how bad you thought they were that maybe they played some good stuff, maybe not stuff that you would enjoy, but you weren't voting were you, the audience was, maybe they liked them more then they liked you?

Besides if you know you are such amazing musicans it shouldn't matter if you one some meaningless talent show right. BTW, you "toot your own horn" every sentance.

I listened to each song they played. I couldn't understand 1 word they said. The guitars were so distorted there was no distinction of what they were playing.

Its just all based on personal opinion, and it will always be. But i truely feel that they are a musically inferior band. Oh well, its not the end of the world. Im just glad we got respect from just about everyone in the audience and even the band "Intrigue" themselves.

[Drunken Viking]

If they all like you then how the **** did you loose, I think we're not getting the full story here.

[Amit]

we are sort of a 60's pop band, infused with a 50's rock feel, and some blues tossed in there as well. Now, im not one to toot my own horn, but we are one of the few actually original bands in our area. And thats not even Bull**** or exaggeration.

am i the only one who found this hilariousy ironic

anyway if you want to release some anger go here (http://www.livejournal.com) you whiney emo kid

[Aus_rock_god]

If they all like you then how the **** did you loose, I think we're not getting the full story here.

I think you're right... I want to hear everything.

[GeorgeHarrison]

If they all like you then how the **** did you loose, I think we're not getting the full story here.

Respect is entirley (Sp?) different from actually winning, People saw the talent, but i guess it just wasnt what they were into.

[I'm Charming]

I listened to that band on Purevolume (the one he was bitchin about)

They were utter noise... I think one of the worst bands I've ever heard...

I would have never gotten into any of the bands I listen to and love if I cared about what idiots thought...

If you want mainstream talentless crap... Watch MTV.

[slaughteredfirst]

Sounds to me like your really mad, hence the angry rant.


Did you ever stop to think that maybe when you were busy bitching about how bad you thought they were that maybe they played some good stuff, maybe not stuff that you would enjoy, but you weren't voting were you, the audience was, maybe they liked them more then they liked you?

Besides if you know you are such amazing musicans it shouldn't matter if you one some meaningless talent show right. BTW, you "toot your own horn" every sentance.


I agree with you as well.



Threadstarter here is a thought, instead of complaining so much be happy you played and put on a good show. Who cares if you won?

[Drunken Viking]

Respect is entirley (Sp?) different from actually winning, People saw the talent, but i guess it just wasnt what they were into.My question was if you said the whole crowd respected and liked you howcome you guys werent the victors?

[GeorgeHarrison]

Its simple, people can listen to a band and hear that they are musically talented. But when they hear Intrigue they seem them jumping around and playing extremly loud, their adreniline gets pumped and they are almost deaf as to what the band is playing.

Although in know i will be corrected.

[GeorgeHarrison]

am i the only one who found this hilariousy ironic

anyway if you want to release some anger go here (http://www.livejournal.com) you whiney emo kid

that gets a "No"

[Drunken Viking]

Its simple, people can listen to a band and hear that they are musically talented. But when they hear Intrigue they seem them jumping around and playing extremly loud, their adreniline gets pumped and they are almost deaf as to what the band is playing.

Although in know i will be corrected.
If all the band did was jump around and that beat you and every other act their yet the crowd still liked you, I'm sorry to say this but you proably suck.

[slaughteredfirst]

Its simple, people can listen to a band and hear that they are musically talented. But when they hear Intrigue they seem them jumping around and playing extremly loud, their adreniline gets pumped and they are almost deaf as to what the band is playing.

Although in know i will be corrected.



News Flash! The common music listener does not care about how talented you are, they like what sounds good to them.


Most high school students are the common music listener. I am sure that the muscians in the croud liked you, and get this I am sure some of the muscians also liked the band that won.

Dont take not winning so hard.

[Aus_rock_god]

Its simple, people can listen to a band and hear that they are musically talented. But when they hear Intrigue they seem them jumping around and playing extremly loud, their adreniline gets pumped and they are almost deaf as to what the band is playing.

Although in know i will be corrected.

That's true, but what you need to do is learn how they made the audience that exited and apply it to your music.

I've heard your music before, and it would be hard to get really really into, but you're probably not suited to a Battle anyway (it's for artless teenie boppers). You should try playing in pubs.

Just do what you do, and you'll be fine. You just have to find your niche dude.

[GeorgeHarrison]

That's true, but what you need to do is learn how they made the audience that exited and apply it to your music.

I've heard your music before, and it would be hard to get really really into, but you're probably not suited to a Battle anyway (it's for artless teenie boppers). You should try playing in pubs.

Just do what you do, and you'll be fine. You just have to find your niche dude.

Thank you for saying something constructive. :)
I appriciate it.

[GeorgeHarrison]

If all the band did was jump around and that beat you and every other act their yet the crowd still liked you, I'm sorry to say this but you proably suck.

You wouldnt be saying that if you heard our guitarist play Red House.

[Illmatic]

crawwwwwlliiiing iiiiiin my skiiiiiiin
these wouuuuuunds they willlll not heeeaaalll

"There is no justice in this world"

lmao...calm down, man. It is NOT the end of the world.

[GeorgeHarrison]

Oh well, its not the end of the world.

...

[Aus_rock_god]

Thank you for saying something constructive. :)
I appriciate it.

It's kool dude. Just remember, also, that in the end, music isn't about competing, it's about enjoying yourself and creating somthing you're proud of.

Seriously, would Jimi Hendrix (R.I.P) really give a flying f*ck if he didn't win a Battle? No, because he'd be too high from his music (and other things) to give a sh!t.

Your own enjoyment is what matters in the end.

[Illmatic]

Your rant on how the world sucks because you lost a battle of the bands seems to speak louder than that sentence.

[randomthought9]

Welcome to the world of music. Who sells more records? Nickelback, or Dream Theater? It's not how good you play, it's how good you're marketed and sell yourself in the music business world.

[Drunken Viking]

Horrible example, Dream Theater has obviously outsold them.

[Eleventeen]

Show me that Intrigue band and I'll say what I think, from what you said they played some post hardcore metal ("metalcore" as the un-educated call it), which is actually very good if done right.

The funniest thing is that you said you were a 60's style pop band with 50's feel... as if.... you were just as trendy, and in all seriousness, your whole bashing of screaming offends me, being that I have done the vocals for a few death, black, and grind bands in my day, I know what doing so incorrectly can do to your throat (IT FREAKING HURTS).

EDIT: I saw the link now, checking...

OK then, they're not that bad musically, their clean singing is horrible though.

I would like to hear your band.

[Darth Sidious]

am i the only one who found this hilariousy ironic

anyway if you want to release some anger go here (http://www.livejournal.com) you whiney emo kid

yea, me too.

[Moses]

Their instrumentals aren't that horrible. The vocals however, make me puke. If I was there, I would have slapped the singer in the face and said "Why don't you cut you hair, take voice lessons, and eat some damn food".

[Eleventeen]

Their instrumentals aren't that horrible. The vocals however, make me puke. If I was there, I would have slapped the singer in the face and said "Why don't you cut you hair, take voice lessons, and eat some damn food".

the cut your hair part was bad, the rest was good.

[Neoteric]

Dude, imagine my band that played some Pixies at a talent show and we lost to someone playing the Kaiser Chiefs.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Not to toot your own horn, eh?

[Grimm]

Look, losing one contest isn't that bad (i'll probably completely go the opposite if my band loses a competition).lets take a page out of the big book of 'Tallica(unwritten, purely in the mind).
when they released Kill 'Em All and Ride the Lightning back in the 80's, it wasn't good enough for a lot of people, but then came Puppetz, AJ4A.THEN they were noticed. But when the Black Album came out, the fans of the old stuff started surfacing in large numbers, talking about the original stuff's greatness.
Basically, it'll take a lot of time and change before your originality and talent is noticed and appreciated. then you will have won:thumb:

[Squirellmeister]

60s and 50s type band. Yea sounds incredibly original.

[mr black]

WHAHHHHH, if you lost you lost, different audiences feed of different things, if you didn't have a crowd of classic rockers peaking on ice then your not going to beat a "post hardcore band" that actually puts physical energy into their music for the crowd to feed off... sorry dude its life.

[MetalOz]

It's funny that you have provided us a link to the competition's music but not your own. They have obviously put some work into what they are doing if they have stuff they have written and recorded up on the web. I personally think, after listening to them, that they suck.

High School Battle of the Bands = Popularity Contest

Talent doesn't factor in...

[HappyMarshmellow]

It's obvious that the threadstarter is nothing more than a

SORE LOSER.

[Amit]

60s and 50s type band. Yea sounds incredibly original.

that's what i said

[superdigg]

hey cmon TS, there's SOME justice in the world!

always look on the briiight, side of life!
/full song and dance

okay yes, stop whining, the crowd was more pleased by intrigue, so they won. it's that simple, and it's true that there's a degree of unfairness related to the fact that technical mastery and originality does not always win.

[Aus_rock_god]

Example: More people know about Carlos Santana than they know about Steve Vai.

[Scoot]

Get used to it.

[beaker_747]

You're not copying one genre... but two entire decades worth of music? How could you call yourself original?

[manuscriptreplica]

So you play 60's rock, and parents shook your hand?

Probably says something

[rata]

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(_(___) .. Take it easy my friend.... your playing in front of a bunch of high school kids..what do you expect.do you think they care if your that great.probably at some degree they notice your talent but lets face it theyd rather hear whats in right now...

[HappyMarshmellow]

Yeah, and anyway... you guys probably suck compared to classical composers anyway.

I say: Let's turn off both yours and the other bands crap music and blast some Bach! ALRIGHT!

WHO IS WITH ME?

[Moses]

Yeah, and anyway... you guys probably suck compared to classical composers anyway.

I say: Let's turn off both yours and the other bands crap music and blast some Bach! ALRIGHT!

WHO IS WITH ME?
I'm with you.

[Eleventeen]

Yeah, and anyway... you guys probably suck compared to classical composers anyway.

I say: Let's turn off both yours and the other bands crap music and blast some Bach! ALRIGHT!

WHO IS WITH ME?

I'm in!

[Moses]

Oh, and I didn't really mean the "cut your hair" part, I mean I have long hair myself. I just meant, "get rid of that rediculous sweep".

[Lord Abortion]

I'm going to go and listen to Dream Theater.
Bye.

I don't like your music or the other band's music. Screw you, hippie.

[Blank]

It's to late to take it back.
The damage is done.
:lol:

[Cain]

The thing I hate about whiny people like you is that you never intelligently construct your setlists to combine familiarity with musicality. Kids all over the planet enjoy hearing classic rock tunes of all shapes and sizes, and many of the kids that probably voted for that screamo outfit would probably have appreciated that kind of thing more.

I was just at a Battle of the Bands last night, and every group was playing songs that allowed them to stretch out musically to a huge degree but which were familar enough to the audience that the greatest possible response was available. Songs like "Layla" may be overplayed on the radio, but in a live performance it's a garaunteed crowd-buster. All these types of songs have plenty of room for guitar heroics, band interplay, and all the sorts of musical expression stuff that YOU value, and also provides a cultural touchstone for the audience who probably couldn't even hear the lead guitar in the first place (as for some reason at BoBs the tones always suck and the amps are always turned too low). There are hundreds of songs that you could choose from to fit this criteria. Or, if you're such great musicians, make a cover of a well-known modern pop or punk song and morph it to fit your own aesthetic: people will still recognize it but they will appreciate the freshness of your version. In the Guitar forum, god_hates_us_all and another user made a heavy metal version of Britney Spears' "Toxic" that owned. You could do something like that.

Trust me, man, back in the day in high school I wanted to be the **** at my instrument and own every other group and get all the ladies and all that elitist crap. And guess what? I failed horribly: I soloed too much and had skill too little, and the one performance I did with my band was crappy, and I was booted out afterward. You've got to love all kinds of music, and really love music itself, to have a successful concert at a venue like a Battle of the Bands. You can't get caught up in concerns of "Were soo much moor talent3d!!1!!" and worry about winning or losing or any of that ****. You've got to play a good show with your heart in the music, not its aesthetic trappings of "originality" and "skill." Let the skill thing take care of itself. If you're digging the music you're playing onstage, it will, and the crowd will respond accordingly.

So quit complaining. There's more to being a musician than ensuring that your ego is stroked 24/7.

[Lord Abortion]

There's more to being a musician than ensuring that your ego is stroked 24/7.
There is?!
bloody hell...

[Cain]

There is?!
bloody hell...

Well, the irony is that once you stop caring about whether your ego is stroked after a performance, it gets stroked a lot more. :D You have to not desire it in order to get it.

[IAJP]

yeah, well, thats bull****. And im not mad that we lost. I know that we played a great show. And the Crowd DID enjoy it very much. But saying that its not about musical talent is completly absurd.
You clearly are mad you lost!
:rolleyes:

[Kage]

Now, the voting was done by audience applause
Am I reading correctly? With such a foolproof (:rolleyes:) form of voting, you should not be so surprised you lost.

[markxander]

Dude, seriously.

You were playing bass.

The average music listener doesn't even know what a bass is.

Not to mention, that you keep on saying how you were original, by covering Jimi Hendrix and playing '60s pop, which went out of favour long before you were even born.

Real original.

[Det_Nosnip]

If your entire world is crushed because you lost a battle of the bands competition, then you're not cut out to be a musician. Sorry.

[HappyMarshmellow]

If your entire world is crushed because you lost a battle of the bands competition, then you're not cut out to be a musician. Sorry.

He's probably not even cut out to be prom queen.

[pep]

here´s a great example. Whos more famous, Yngwie Malmsteen, the god of shred, or Blink 182, who write 4 chord songs?