I propose the term metalcore be banned from this forum

[oopyman]

Anyone in agreement? It always starts the most ridiculous arguements. The term has been completely bastardized. Integrity and Unbroken mixed hardcore and metal. Earth Crisis mixed hardcore and metal. Shai Hulud did, Hatebreed did, 100 Demons did, but metalcore does not sound like metal + hardcore anymore. Now metalcore has developed it's own distinct sound, free of all hardcore influence. I hear no Cro-Mags in Norma Jean. There's no Inside Out in Nora. That sound has become associated with metalcore. It is no longer metal + hardcore, it's just metalcore.

So I propose that we just stop using the term. Alternatives could be "heavy hardcore" or "metallic hardcore" depending on the band. I think it's a ridiculous word that only brings conflict and that's why I say **** it.

[CONNER_NWHC]

unbroken rul

[oopyman]

unbroken rul
hella

[Feel The Darkness]

I say metallic hardcore for most actual metalcore bands anyway.

[oopyman]

KingofSka, explain yourself.

[ThePassionOfTheKasey]

I hear no Cro-Mags in Norma Jean. There's no Inside Out in Nora.
But can't you hear the Inside Out in Norma Jean and the Cro Mags in Nora?

[Excursions]

I said this in the metalcore thread in the Rock And Metal forum. So yes, I agree.

[srt-4]

i agree, you don't hear much hardcore in what's called metalcore these days. don't see why it needs to be banned though, we understand that "metalcore" isn't refering to metal + hardcore.

[oopyman]

i agree, you don't hear much hardcore in what's called metalcore these days. don't see why it needs to be banned though, we understand that "metalcore" isn't refering to metal + hardcore.
Most people don't.

[srt-4]

Most people don't.
true, true. but the regulars do, and if it was banned, they would be the ones that lived with it. the people that come in here to talk about atreyu and the like obviously don't read the stickies and would continue to use the term even if it was banned.

[oopyman]

true, true. but the regulars do, and if it was banned, they would be the ones that lived with it. the people that come in here to talk about atreyu and the like obviously don't read the stickies and would continue to use the term even if it was banned.
The regulars are always disputing what bands are what, and a lot of people here don't listen to bands like Unbroken and Integrity. I just think it would make less confusion if people stopped using it, or at least used it a lot less. I'm not saying I want it to be a bannable offense, I just think it should be encouraged to use other words.

[srt-4]

i understand what you want to accomplish, and it makes sense to me. seems like you just want the people that know what they are talking about to use the term sparingly, not really ban it all together. in the end, it really doesn't matter too much to me, i hardly ever use the term anyway.

[Malice]

I can agree with that, actually.

Metalcore has become too distinguished from hardcore nowadays.
I can support that move, but yer not to make it a bannable offense as such.

[ITRIEDVOODOOONCE]

I actually agree with you, the entire genre thing would be easier with one genre and many different prefixes IMO.

[oopyman]

Alright, srt-4 presented his point so that's one no vote. Kasey is mormon so that's two accounted for. KingofSka and StandingStill, I'm interested in what you have to say.

[Ve Das]

Nope,that´d be moving all the oldschool metalcore stuff to rocknmetal instead of back here in punk where it belongs.I´d vote for a new genre name for the newer stuff,there´s hardly any core in there and sometimes very little metal...

[Mr. Ron]

Nay. Ve Das took the words right out of my mouth.

Do you guys really want to see bands like Converge and botch being disgussed by the idiots in the rock and metal forums? I don't.

[Ve Das]

by the idiots in the rock and metal forums?

HEY! :angry:

( :lol: )

[k1ckthecat]

i voted nay just because the screamo fans have to put up with the same thing. we tried changing the name too, but didn't work. i know it probably pisses a good amount of people off calling NJ and Atreyu metalcore, but you just gotta live with it. don't get me wrong, i'd fully support a change if a relevant one was brought up.

[Damrod]

Alright, srt-4 presented his point so that's one no vote. Kasey is mormon so that's two accounted for. KingofSka and StandingStill, I'm interested in what you have to say.

Some people just want to vote, and not post. It's the way it is, don't insult people because they do

[Angry Balled Fists!]

I voted Nay as i agree with Route 1.

[tornpictures]

Metalcore is a genre right? So why 'ban' the word?

George Bush called, he wants his IQ bakc

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

What problem has the word metalcore caused...

[Let's Chop Cats!]

The Top Metalcore album thread. While that thread really isn't terrible, it has been devoid of most noobs.

Also Norma Jean, From Autumn to Ashes, Underoath all have absolutely nothing to do with hardcore, so why is their genre branding the -core.

[Ve Das]

^because sheeple are stupid and eagerly gulp down what MTV and the RIAA try to force upon the rest of us.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

The Top Metalcore album thread. While that thread really isn't terrible, it has been devoid of most noobs.

Also Norma Jean, From Autumn to Ashes, Underoath all have absolutely nothing to do with hardcore, so why is their genre branding the -core.
Yeah but what can we call those bands?

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Invent a new genre.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

So invent it already.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Indie Metal. Spread the good word.

[cbmartinez]

I think Nora is an example of a metalcore band. They have a balance of hardcore and metal.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Ehh, they're missing a good portion of hardcore. They do play with actual hardcore bands sometimes though.

One of the main differences I see between metalcore and the crap that get's called metalcore is the lyrical content. The crap that gets called it have no influence from real hardcore.

[The Great Decay]

Converge's lyrics are nothing like typical hardcore lyrics, and they're metalcore.

[The Great Decay]

I've always thought metalcore lyrics to be more poetic in comparison to the honest, in-your-face lyrics of hardcore.

[Mr. Ron]

Lyrics don't reall have any sway on what a band's genre it is classified into.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Lyrics don't reall have any sway on what a band's genre it is classified into.
What about Christian Rock? Lyrics are one of the biggest difference from punk and hardcore.

Also I meant to say not only lyrical content, but the delivery of the lyrics aswell.

[Mr. Ron]

What about Christian Rock? Lyrics are one of the biggest difference from punk and hardcore.

Also I meant to say not only lyrical content, but the delivery of the lyrics aswell.
Forgot about Christian rock, but every genre have lyrics of rebellion, strength, sadness, happyness and so on. It's all in the delivery, like you said.

[Luxor]

What about Christian Rock? Lyrics are one of the biggest difference from punk and hardcore.

Also I meant to say not only lyrical content, but the delivery of the lyrics aswell.
And punk.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Forgot about Christian rock, but every genre have lyrics of rebellion, strength, sadness, happyness and so on. It's all in the delivery, like you said.
You are being way to broad though. It's like saying all bands are music, so let's just do it that way.

A Christian Rock band is going to write lyrics about Strength in a different way a hardcore band would.

Crappy generic ex:
"I feel the touch of the man who helped me when I was down to replenish my lifeforce" - obviously some random crap I made up about what could be jesus, I don't know any real christian rock lyrics

"And I lost everything I fought to gain
Over - Overcome
Everytime you spit in my face
Over - Overcome
Add more weight! I won't break
Over - Overcome
Won't allow myself to be beat
Overcome, Overcome, rise back up" - Terror

There are some obvious differences in the writing style there yet they talk about the same thing and you don't have to have listened to it's delivery in a song to notice the differences.

[cbmartinez]

BEST FRIENDS BECOME STRANGERS

[srt-4]

You are being way to broad though. It's like saying all bands are music, so let's just do it that way.

A Christian Rock band is going to write lyrics about Strength in a different way a hardcore band would.

Crappy generic ex:
"I feel the touch of the man who helped me when I was down to replenish my lifeforce" - obviously some random crap I made up about what could be jesus, I don't know any real christian rock lyrics

"And I lost everything I fought to gain
Over - Overcome
Everytime you spit in my face
Over - Overcome
Add more weight! I won't break
Over - Overcome
Won't allow myself to be beat
Overcome, Overcome, rise back up" - Terror

There are some obvious differences in the writing style there yet they talk about the same thing and you don't have to have listened to it's delivery in a song to notice the differences.
haha. not that its really pertinent to the discussion, but there are some good Christain lyrics out there.

This time your screams won’t be heard
You will fight this battle
But we’ll take you out so quickly
That you and your so-called army
Couldn’t see us coming
Fight this battle
We’ll tear you down to the ground
We can’t stop now
We were born for battle
Without vision we will die
We were born for battle
Against the tide of compromise

[NewKindofArmy03]

Lyrics are one of the biggest difference from punk and hardcore.
What? Punk and hardcore bands talk about the same topics for the most part.

EDIT-Unless you were talking about differences from other genres...

[cbmartinez]

Nah Punk is all about sniffing glue, fighting the system, reminscing about when you were punk as ****, ****ing the government, yelling oi oi oi and skating. Hardcore is all about the brocore.

[shane italian]

Sorry Niko, but this thread sucks.

[chips88]

Invent a new genre.

Seriously, we should. Because bands like Haste the Day, As I Lay Dying, Nora, etc., I know you guys don't like them, but they're there, and they aren't hardcore, metal, or metalcore, so they just get tagged metalcore.

[NewKindofArmy03]

nu-metalcore

[Mr. Ron]

You are being way to broad though. It's like saying all bands are music, so let's just do it that way.

A Christian Rock band is going to write lyrics about Strength in a different way a hardcore band would.

Crappy generic ex:
"I feel the touch of the man who helped me when I was down to replenish my lifeforce" - obviously some random crap I made up about what could be jesus, I don't know any real christian rock lyrics

"And I lost everything I fought to gain
Over - Overcome
Everytime you spit in my face
Over - Overcome
Add more weight! I won't break
Over - Overcome
Won't allow myself to be beat
Overcome, Overcome, rise back up" - Terror

There are some obvious differences in the writing style there yet they talk about the same thing and you don't have to have listened to it's delivery in a song to notice the differences.


The thing is, those lyrics don't really scream hardcore. There is actually some Johnny Cash songs that he wrote about murder, that if you just looked at the lyrics you might think was some soft death metal song.

I'm just saying the ultimate sound of the band determines what genre they are in, regardless of their lyrics.

[kingdead]

The Pokemon and Land before time theme lyrics smack of hardcore.

Im not kidding.

[oopyman]

Nay. Ve Das took the words right out of my mouth.

Do you guys really want to see bands like Converge and botch being disgussed by the idiots in the rock and metal forums? I don't.
No one said anything about metalcore bands being banned from discussion. Just the term does not mean what it's supposed to anymore and thus it should no longer be used. Causes dispute.

Some people just want to vote, and not post. It's the way it is, don't insult people because they do
I didn't insult a single god damn person, I made a joke about Kasey, who I am perfectly cool with. Eat a bag of dicks you Fall of Troy liking mother****er.

Looking at the people who voted no, I'm not surprised really. I bet at least half of those people have never heard Unbroken or an Earth Crisis song other than Firestorm.

[whiteminority]

We shouldn't get rid of the term just because some morons have bastardized it. All terms have been bastardized but you dont here people getting rid of metal or emo or screamo.

[oopyman]

We shouldn't get rid of the term just because some morons have bastardized it. All terms have been bastardized but you dont here people getting rid of metal or emo or screamo.
Screamo should not exist. Metal has not been bastardized, it has tons of subgenres. Emo has been bastardized, I'd rather hear "emotional hardcore" than emo.

[whiteminority]

Metal was bastardized in the 80s and it regained its respect when it stopped being an MTV commodity.

[oopyman]

Metal was bastardized in the 80s and it regained its respect when it stopped being an MTV commodity.
No, hair metal was just a shitty subgenre. Find me one person who thinks hair metal is the only style of metal that exists and I will paypal you 10 dollars.

[whiteminority]

No dude I have talked to people into metal in the 80s and Hair Metal wasnt called Hair Metal, my uncle told me he remembered Motley Crue and Poison being advertised as speed metal.

[oopyman]

No dude I have talked to people into metal in the 80s and Hair Metal wasnt called Hair Metal, my uncle told me he remembered Motley Crue and Poison being advertised as speed metal.
That doesn't mean half a flying **** now does it?

[Excursions]

I think hardcore should go back to being called thrash.

[whiteminority]

I know I was explaining how other forms of music have been wrongly labeled and people did not get rid of the genres.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

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[oopyman]

I think hardcore should go back to being called thrash.
I could dig that.

[whiteminority]

I think hardcore should go back to being called thrash.
It was not ever called thrash.

[oopyman]

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Yeah seriously, this thread accomplished the opposite of what I intended. My bad, close it I guess.