Tabs... before it's too late?

[usernametaken]

Now that there is only one tab site still standing, what if it gets shut down?

The MPA is breaching our freedom to learn, but can they really stop us? I remember there was a program where you downloaded tabs and it showed them on your computer. I don't remember the name. Does anybody have this program? There was also a huge archive of all the tabs for the program. Is that archive still online? Does anybody have the archive on their computer?

If possible, we could get the program and the tab archive hosted on the web on some random site so people could download the tabs/program. The site wouldn't be a big site like MX so it wouldn't get many hits, because one single person would only have to go there once.

Also, any file sharers here? What about getting it on things like Ares and Limewire? They can't shut down Ares or Limewire because those programs are like bongs - they're legal if you use them legally.

[munky_magik]

The MPA are taking action because tabs are in breach of copyright laws.
Ultimate Guitar shouldn't get shut down as they claim to have a licence and/or pay royalties for hosting tabs. Also their site is hosted in Russia which is exempt from the MPA's authority.

There are two kinds of program that suit your description; Guitar Pro and Powertabs. The Guitar pro archive of tabs is still up at http://www.mysongbook.com. Powertabs, however, have been shut down indefinitely due to fear of legal action. There was some notion that they would perhaps be hosted on Ultimate-Guitar but anything regarding that matter has yet to surface.

Hosting the entire Powertab archive would most likely take alot of server space and even then you would still be facing legal action unless the site was hosted somewhere outside of the MPA's jurisdiction.

I think you can still find some Powertabs on things like Limewire. I believe some people on here have the entire archive downloaded but I have no idea as to whether or not it is aaliable in p2p networks.

[Romencer17]

If you check 911tabs.com, they chack through all tab sites, so there's still sites where it all works.

[rockstr0001]

you know, the fact that they took the tab site off in the first place is absolute bs, they have no right to do this ****. I fail to see how tablerature and lyrical sites are breaking the law. Luckily I happen to run into a petition site where you can sign against this crap. If you want to help out go to http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/395593044?ltl=1135186124 and sign your name, we're looking for 50,000 people here, so help spread the word.

[Zeta]

Is this why I can no longer reach MXTabs?

[Existence is Futile]

MX had a lot of tabs that ultimate guitar doesn't. Or at least a lot of different versions of them. I was thinking, wouldn't it be great if someone with access to all the tabs that were on MX (thats hoping they still exist) could send them into Ultimate-guitar? That way we'd still have access to whats been lost here.

I know this could be a big job but if someone that was in charge of MX could contact someone on Ug.. I think it'd be cool anyway..

[Cain]

Is this why I can no longer reach MXTabs?


Yes.

[munky_magik]

you know, the fact that they took the tab site off in the first place is absolute bs, they have no right to do this ****. I fail to see how tablerature and lyrical sites are breaking the law. Luckily I happen to run into a petition site where you can sign against this crap. If you want to help out go to http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/395593044?ltl=1135186124 and sign your name, we're looking for 50,000 people here, so help spread the word.
Try reading this (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=423673) thread.

MX had a lot of tabs that ultimate guitar doesn't. Or at least a lot of different versions of them. I was thinking, wouldn't it be great if someone with access to all the tabs that were on MX (thats hoping they still exist) could send them into Ultimate-guitar? That way we'd still have access to whats been lost here.

I know this could be a big job but if someone that was in charge of MX could contact someone on Ug.. I think it'd be cool anyway..
I think the only person to possibly have backed them up will be the site administrator MX, so you would really have to ask him.

[Kvist]

I believe that tab sites are often considered illegal because some ****heads just tab of their bought books, and not tabbing their own versions, that is, obviously, against copyright laws, and why not, really, they ARE stealing other peoples work... So I'd say, if everybody just posted their own stuff, there would be no problem.

[zfmt]

Woah, I had no idea this was happening. Okay so what I've gathered so far is that tab sites are being shut down because if you learn the songs then thats just as bad as downloading them?? OKay, I am going to **** my pants if thats whats going on. Please can someone link me or just tell me where I can get info on whats happening.

Thanks

[munky_magik]

Woah, I had no idea this was happening. Okay so what I've gathered so far is that tab sites are being shut down because if you learn the songs then thats just as bad as downloading them?? OKay, I am going to **** my pants if thats whats going on. Please can someone link me or just tell me where I can get info on whats happening.

Thanks
If you want details then read this (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=423673) thread paying particular attention what KKKKKocaine writes.

[Pesnja]

If the bands don't want their music being played by adoring fans, then why bother making it? People will find a way to play their music through some other medium labeled "illegal." Why should I pay $10.95 for the tablature sheets when I just spend $14.99 on their CD?

The MPA can back off - as can Jack Thompson for screwing up my video games. True, the bands did copyright their music. Read the CD copyrights "No public performance" so...Playing some Jimi Hendrix bass lines in the seclusion of my bed room is now a "public performance?" Well, if you count Mr. Cosby on the TV and my cat that's crashed out on the bed, I guess it is.

In reality all they're doing is screwing us over because their vapid lives are finally getting to them.

[Amicicide]

I still don't see why they can shut down tab sites when the tabs are out own interpritation of the song. It doesn't make any sense to me, that's like someone's opinion being illigal. :angry: What kind of legal action can they take anyway? :amaze: Bloody goverment is filled with money grubbing morons who think they can supress our opinions... the only good I see coming out of this is that I won't hear 10 year olds butchering good songs because they found them on tab sites... but still. This is BS.:mad:

[booner]

here is place to sign, i think its at like 7500 people, and rising fast! :chug:

disgusted at this action, should all sue MPa for loss of property (tablatures)


http://www.petitiononline.com/mioti/petition-sign.html?

[Rush30]

i was on ultimateguitar.com this morning (Jan.4) and it was working fine....

[munky_magik]

If the bands don't want their music being played by adoring fans, then why bother making it? People will find a way to play their music through some other medium labeled "illegal." Why should I pay $10.95 for the tablature sheets when I just spend $14.99 on their CD?

The MPA can back off - as can Jack Thompson for screwing up my video games. True, the bands did copyright their music. Read the CD copyrights "No public performance" so...Playing some Jimi Hendrix bass lines in the seclusion of my bed room is now a "public performance?" Well, if you count Mr. Cosby on the TV and my cat that's crashed out on the bed, I guess it is.

In reality all they're doing is screwing us over because their vapid lives are finally getting to them.
The bands haven't had a say in the matter yet, as far as I'm aware. People will probably find a way around tabs being outlawed but I imagine that it'll take a while to emerge.
Essentially since tabs are a re-creation of the Artist's song they are owed money. Free transcriptions of their songs are illegal which is why the MPA are cracking down on them. Tabs have been illegal all along but it's only now that the MPA have finally gotten around to dealing with it.

Public performances count as playings in Bars/pubs/clubs etc... There are even plans to make music shop owners pay a fee for all of the people who test out instruments by playing their favourite songs.

I still don't see why they can shut down tab sites when the tabs are out own interpritation of the song. It doesn't make any sense to me, that's like someone's opinion being illigal. What kind of legal action can they take anyway? Bloody goverment is filled with money grubbing morons who think they can supress our opinions... the only good I see coming out of this is that I won't hear 10 year olds butchering good songs because they found them on tab sites... but still. This is BS.
Because tabs claim to be a certain song it's in breach of copywright. Essentially, I think, you could tab your interpretation of somebody's song but you would have to remove all traces of the artist, song name, album name, etc.. for it to be considered legal thus rendering the whole point of tabbing it for others useless.

here is place to sign, i think its at like 7500 people, and rising fast!

disgusted at this action, should all sue MPa for loss of property (tablatures)


http://www.petitiononline.com/mioti/petition-sign.html?
I highly doubt that will make a difference.


i was on ultimateguitar.com this morning (Jan.4) and it was working fine....
Ultimate-Guitar is still online because they claim to pay royalties/have a licence for their tabs and they are based on a server located in Russia which is outside of the MPA's jurisdiction.

[Pesnja]

Ultimate-Guitar is still online because they claim to pay royalties/have a licence for their tabs and they are based on a server located in Russia which is outside of the MPA's jurisdiction.

Ha, go Mother Russia! If they're honestly planning on charging store owners to let people test instruments by playing Aerials or Purple Haze or whatever, they'll kill the music industry. Just playing random notes in out of tune keys won't give you the full impact of an instrument. God, no offense to any patriots - I'm getting sick of America.

All these alphabetical organizations are running this country to Hell.

[Valcoramizer]

You can still find the tabs from mxtabs. Many of them have been saved in the google cache, so if you search for mxtabs + song name, you'll often find the tabs. Then you click on the google cache link at the bottom of the search result.

[Valcoramizer]

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:8RS1th86Er0J:www.mxtabs.net/tab_versions.php%3Fpath%3DGuitar,l,708,Led%2BZeppe lin,Stairway%2BTo%2BHeaven,103605++site:www.mxtabs .net+stairway+to+heaven&hl=en
there's an example of what you can find.

[ToggleSwitch]

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[I'm Charming]

You can still find the tabs from mxtabs. Many of them have been saved in the google cache, so if you search for mxtabs + song name, you'll often find the tabs. Then you click on the google cache link at the bottom of the search result.

Thanks so much. It actually works.


Only thing is you have to search like,

"mxtabs dimmu borgir Kings Of The Carnival Creation"

It's all good!

[Nopo]

Does any one remember what happened to olga.net about 5 years ago they got shut down for the same reason but they got back up on the condition that they didn’t include the lyrics with the tab. this is probably all that will happen to these tab sites so i wouldn’t worry

[Swiftay]

Thanks so much. It actually works.


Only thing is you have to search like,

"mxtabs dimmu borgir Kings Of The Carnival Creation"

It's all good!

damnit, i can't find any drum tabs!

[Snoborder280]

This whole anti-tabs thing is bull****. Music companies don't lose money from people playing their artists' songs. Also, as far as the whole 'charging ppl to test equipment while playing songs' thing goes... some of the riffs/songs I've written, I've had like everyone I've played them in front of ask me what song it was. So, how are music shops going to know whether it's a recorded song or not? I'm sure most of the people in music shops where I live have never heard of bands like "Armor for Sleep", "Fivespeed", or "Silverstein". I mean, my guitar instructor had never heard of Relient K before I played the intro to Pressing On. Also, please don't comment on the bands I just mentioned... I don't care how bad you think they suck.

[GenuineImitation]

Just when I thought making tabs illegal was retarted, I find out we may have to pay a fee to play songs at Guitar Center (or any other music store). Whats next, we can only buy cds with portions/segments of the songs on it? Im really getting fed up with this crap.

[Overdrive666]

tell every one you ever met that cares about tabs in your ENTIRE LIFE about this site right here .SIGN THE PETITION!!! PLEASE!! http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/528642714

either that one or this one named by a reliable source posting in a thread somewhere http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/395593044?ltl=1135186124

[The_Fender_Bender]

I think theyre just going to end up banning music in general.

Soon they'll tell people off for listening to music with windows open because of copyright. Its stupid.

I don't see how a kid in his room playing songs by his hero's is costing them money

[Phobophile]

Tabcrawler is still up,even though most of what they have is highly inaccurate.

[Teh Secksi]

Just when I thought making tabs illegal was retarted, I find out we may have to pay a fee to play songs at Guitar Center (or any other music store). Whats next, we can only buy cds with portions/segments of the songs on it? Im really getting fed up with this crap.
I dont think that paying a fee to play songs in GC will ever be implemented. Which would be absolutely ridiculous.

Im gonna move outta this country :lol: but everywhere else in my interest is so dang expensive.

[AroundTheWorld]

I dont think that paying a fee to play songs in GC will ever be implemented. Which would be absolutely ridiculous.

Im gonna move outta this country :lol: but everywhere else in my interest is so dang expensive.

well slapping a copyright infringement on a tab site seems ridiculous, so maybe paying to play songs in a music store isnt that farfetched at all.

but australia's a decent place to live that has a crap economy in contrast to the US! lol

oh and can anyone give me the bass tab site there is to use? mxtabs was my first source, then UG, then bassmasta (which is okay).

cheers

[Teh Secksi]

I kinda want to live on the gold coast, but everything is so expensive, you guys arnt really a manufacturing country, so everything is shipped, and you gots ta pay the shipping ontop of the original price so everything's price is jacked up.

[AroundTheWorld]

...better than england, lol

[Iscariot]

Woah, I had no idea this was happening. Okay so what I've gathered so far is that tab sites are being shut down because if you learn the songs then thats just as bad as downloading them?? OKay, I am going to **** my pants if thats whats going on. Please can someone link me or just tell me where I can get info on whats happening.

Thanks

Capitalist corporate American wants it's money and the little man is suffering, yet again I might add, as a result. That's about all there is to it. I highly doubt Jeremy would be willing to send his entire MX Tabs backup (if he even still has it) over to UG and I doubt they'd be willing to deal with the burden of swapping it over to their site. Just use mysongbook and Guitar Pro and you'll be fine (sort of).