Best Metal Cymbals Sabian AAX, Zildjian Z Custom, Paiste Sig Power or Meinl MB20's?

[Thrashmother]

Guys wot du u reken? Just as a purely subjective thread cos i already use AAx

[-TheGlassPrison-]

PAISTE SIG.

no questions asked.

[Josiah]

I'd go with Rude's if you can find them. 2002's do some major damage for heavy music as well.

[Tim]

PAISTE SIG.



:chug: :thumb:

[Drum Phil]

I'd go with Rude's if you can find them. 2002's do some major damage for heavy music as well.

Nuff said.

But im a sabian man at heart. Its a dilemna

[fatcow2000]

paiste sigs.

[aznriceball]

aaxplosions and a customs do it for me

[Loyton]

if you go the cash, dont ask anymore questions, hell dont even reply, get teh PAISTE

[FockerTheLopper]

Talking about crashes or what? Best metal crash is a vault hands down.(loud fast cutting)

[Josiah]

Talking about crashes or what? Best metal crash is a vault hands down.(loud fast cutting)


Then A Customs would be as well. Except you have more choices (Fast, Projection, Regular) and it's the original. Not a copy, unlike A... oh i mean Vault.

[Aaron]

Vaults are just rebadged A Customs.

[-TheGlassPrison-]

Echo.. echo...

[Drum Monkey]

Echo.. echo...

bwahahaha :lol:

I have three AAX cymbals and two AA... I'm really happy wit them :chug:

-DM

[Tim]

Echo.. echo...

ahaha:smash: :smash: :smash:

[HeLLmO]

Vaults are just rebadged A Customs.


true, but by removing that pesky zildjian logo they become a ton cheaper

[Drum Monkey]

true, but by removing that pesky zildjian logo they become a ton cheaper

Zildjian is more expensive in the States too? I thought it was only more expensive here because Zildjian is American and SABIAN is Canadian...

-DM

[HeLLmO]

nope, all i know is zildjian is more expensive than sabian here in the US, i'm not clear on why, sp i won't pretend to be. but it is good, because i like sabian better anyway

[poppinfresh]

Vaults are just rebadged A Customs.
no no no, the vaults depfinetly have a beefier, chunkier sound, ive tried them in identical sizes, my friend has a set of a customs, hes had the 18s and the 20s, but the vaults definetly have more power but the a customs are a little cleaner sounding.

[Drum Monkey]

sabian IS better anyway

corrected :lol:

*awaits the flaming*

-DM

[Josiah]

true, but by removing that pesky zildjian logo they become a ton cheaper


Oh really?

Zildjian A Custom Crash - $134.99 - $219.99

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/440335/

Sabian Vault Crash - $159.99 - $219.99

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/446548/



Hmmmm....

[Drum Phil]

corrected :lol:

*awaits the flaming*

-DM
I agree but its all preference

Erm Jos.

16" A Custom crash $164.99
16" Vault crash $159.99 ;)

In all cases except the 20" Crash, the A Custom is more expensive. Oh yeah and anythin 15" and under because Vaults start at 16"

[HeLLmO]

well, i'm not gonna say sabian is better because meinl paiste and zildjian are all really good too, but i do prefer Sabian, except for a few exceptions(20'' novo china!!!!)

[HeLLmO]

Oh really?

Zildjian A Custom Crash - $134.99 - $219.99

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/440335/

Sabian Vault Crash - $159.99 - $219.99

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/446548/



Hmmmm....


i use massmusic, so i'm just goin' from experience from there, my sincerest apologies

[Drum Phil]

Erm Jos.

16" A Custom crash $164.99
16" Vault crash $159.99 ;)

In all cases except the 20" Crash, the A Custom is more expensive. Oh yeah and anythin 15" and under because Vaults start at 16"

*Coughs*

[Drum Monkey]

Erm Jos.

damn beat me to it! :lol:

-DM

[Drum Monkey]

well, i'm not gonna say sabian is better because meinl paiste and zildjian are all really good too, but i do prefer Sabian, except for a few exceptions(20'' novo china!!!!)

Like Drum Phil said it is all personal preference but if at one point SABIAN doesn't have a sound I am looking for I would probably check out other companies... Here are a list of the reasons I prefer SABIAN:

-As a Canadian I can support our economy

-I am proud to use a Canadian cymbal company's cymbals

-Their cymbals are awesome (not that other companies' aren't)

-They are less expensive here

-Other than the Pearl CX300s that came with my kit, my first cymbal was a SABIAN

-DM

[Drum Phil]

Can i make a slight point DM?

If sabian do not have the sound you're looking for, tell them and they'll make it ;)

[Drum Monkey]

Can i make a slight point DM?

If sabian do not have the sound you're looking for, tell them and they'll make it ;)

damn Neil Peart and Dave Weckl actually have that power :lol:

As far as I know you can't... Only order smaller/bigger cymbal sizes and rivets etc. Right?

-DM

[poppinfresh]

not if youre poppinfresh
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/poppinfresh407/prototype/100_5959.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/poppinfresh407/prototype/100_5960.jpg

[Drum Monkey]

oh so you can...

Ok then SABIAN all the way! :lol:

(unless you are joking :p)

-DM

[HeLLmO]

i will say this, sabian is the most helpful and kind of all the cymbal companies, probably because they are canadian. but i have 3 works for u 15'' AAX Stage Hats

[aaronsmalltike]

Need some advice.

I'm still a beginner and I've been wanting to get some new cymbals. I've got the originals that came with my set and as far as I know I think they're just cheap no names. I'm alot more comfortable with my drumming now and know that drumming wasn't just the flavor of the month it's really something that I would like to stick with and improve in. I've picked it up pretty fast.

So I need to know what brand and how many cymbals are good for a 5 piece drum set?

[Drum Monkey]

So I need to know what brand and how many cymbals are good for a 5 piece drum set?

It's all personal preference... if you go to www.sabian.com (http://www.sabian.com) you will see that the number of cymbals per kit can vary!

I suggest going with SABIAN because I whore them... :lol: Seriously though you should try different cymbals until you find the ones you like...

-DM

[aaronsmalltike]

What is the quality that I should look for in a cymbal or is just what I like. Cause to tell you the truth my cymbals don't sound too bad, but I know they should sound better.

Thanks for the suggestion though I'll have to look into them.

Another question now. I've seen pictures of drum setups and why is there sometimes a cymbal that is set up backwards. What effect does that give.

[Drum Monkey]

I've seen pictures of drum setups and why is there sometimes a cymbal that is set up backwards.

I'm guessing you are talking about a china cymbal... It curves upwards therefore placing it inverted is more convenient for your sticks and the cymbal...

Pretty much look for sound... As long as you like it :thumb:

-DM

[Massik Kretal]

i will say this, sabian is the most helpful and kind of all the cymbal companies, probably because they are canadian. but i have 3 works for u 15'' AAX Stage Hats

Sabian is canadian?

[aaronsmalltike]

Thanks DM ... you've been most helpful. I'll look into the Sabian cymbals and checkout their website for which and what kind I need for my setup.

chelle

[HeLLmO]

Sabian is canadian?


yep....eh

[Drum Phil]

What is the quality that I should look for in a cymbal or is just what I like. Cause to tell you the truth my cymbals don't sound too bad, but I know they should sound better.

Thanks for the suggestion though I'll have to look into them.

Another question now. I've seen pictures of drum setups and why is there sometimes a cymbal that is set up backwards. What effect does that give.

I'd say aim for Pro Sonix level if you're goin with sabian. I personally steer well clear of B8/B8Pro/Xs20 and solars. AA/AAX/HH/HHX/Vault/Pro/Pro Sonix and Signature are all amazing lines.

However for zildjian i'd keep away from any cymbal with a Z in its line name. That leaves K/K Custom/A/A Custom :)

Im not huge on paiste so i cant really help there.

[aaronsmalltike]

[QUOTE=Drum Phil]I'd say aim for Pro Sonix level if you're goin with sabian. I personally steer well clear of B8/B8Pro/Xs20 and solars. AA/AAX/HH/HHX/Vault/Pro/Pro Sonix and Signature are all amazing lines.

However for zildjian i'd keep away from any cymbal with a Z in its line name. That leaves K/K Custom/A/A Custom :)


Thanks I'm gonna have to start shopping around for cymbals.
:thumb:

[Drum Phil]

Its what we're here for sir. If you'd like some narrowing down tell us the kinda sound you're after from each cymbal.

E.g. I like a nice pingy ride with slight dark undertones and a bell that makes my knees weak. Answer? 22" HH Rock ride

[Aaron]

I'd say aim for Pro Sonix level if you're goin with sabian. I personally steer well clear of B8/B8Pro/Xs20 and solars. AA/AAX/HH/HHX/Vault/Pro/Pro Sonix and Signature are all amazing lines.

However for zildjian i'd keep away from any cymbal with a Z in its line name. That leaves K/K Custom/A/A Custom :)

Im not huge on paiste so i cant really help there.
dont forget constinoples

[SkaRabbit]

I would suggest typing lessons.

[HeLLmO]

Its what we're here for sir. If you'd like some narrowing down tell us the kinda sound you're after from each cymbal.

E.g. I like a nice pingy ride with slight dark undertones and a bell that makes my knees weak. Answer? 22" HH Rock ride



i'll help too. 21'' HH raw dry bell ride. it is imaculate in every sense pf the word

[aaronsmalltike]

I would suggest typing lessons.


What are typing lessons? Sorry I'm still new to the drumming world.

[aaronsmalltike]

i'll help too. 21'' HH raw dry bell ride. it is imaculate in every sense pf the word

Who makes that cymbal? Is that a Sabian

[aaronsmalltike]

I just checked out the Sabian website and it suggests 6 different types of cymbals, well 7 with the hi hat. I know they all have a different effect.

What would be the main basic cymbals that I would need for now since I'm still learning?

[SkaRabbit]

What are typing lessons? Sorry I'm still new to the drumming world.


Please say you are joking....I say typing lessons because he types like this.

hey do u reken i shud go by sum cheese?

[FenderBender92]

Z custom

[FenderBender92]

I think that Sabian does do custom stuff, I remember hearing a guy I know talking about it, but I could be wrong

[Aaron]

Z custom
get off my internet

[HeLLmO]

Who makes that cymbal? Is that a Sabian

yep. see, canadians don't do many things too well, but they do make cymbals and prog rock bands EXTREMELY well

[The Ska Man]

Best Metal Cymbals

They're all metal.

[Aaron]

aho ho ho..

[Josiah]

And since when does a few dollars matter in the light of 180?

In other words, they are the same price. And are blatent copies of A customs.


I wouldn't use them on on principle alone for being copies, I'm all for new cymbals and new sounds.

But for sabian to spend all that time, money and energy into jsut copying someone elses stuff, when they could have come out with a UNIQUE line.

Well it doesn't help anyone, except the stock holders.

[Double Bass Jim]

Oh man they are a total rip off too.

[GuynamedGuy]

yeah since you guys are now smarter than modern drummer who actually gave the vaults a good review and said they had a unique and brash sound, im gonna steer clear from them (sarcasm)

[Josiah]

yeah since you guys are now smarter than modern drummer who actually gave the vaults a good review and said they had a unique and brash sound, im gonna steer clear from them (sarcasm)


WAHAHAHHAHA

What one persons personal opinion of a product is in a case where they are PAID to say good things. Now there's a reliable 3rd party objective view.... (sarcasm)

Yea, funny how EVERYTHING MD reviews is great. The reviews in mag's are bogus for the most part.

I've heard them side by side, they are nearly identical. As have numerous other people who say the very same thing.

Gee funny how the V for Vault is almsot identical to the upside down A for A Customs too...

[GuynamedGuy]

Here you go, heres what I call a walkthough. Go to the nearest music store. If you have a Guitar Center nearby thats going to be your best option. Take a drumstick with you. I always show the lady or gentleman at the door when I walk in so they don't think I stole it. And go and tap, lightly crash, crash, you know whatever it is you do, on all the cymbals in the store. And for a beginner I'm going to say your going to want to atleast have an 18" crash, maybe a 16" crash, a pair of hi hats, Hi hat sizes do matter, bigger hats tend to be warmer (aka blend better with guitar,bass,whatnot) and I would go no less than an 18" ride, you might want to look at a bigger size though

It's been said many times before and I'll go ahead and restate it, try out all different brands and see what you like, the most your going to get on here are peoples opinions.

[Double Bass Jim]

Do you think we havent compared the two cymbals? Come on use your ears they are an exact rip off! Hell flip the V over and it looks exactly the same as the A!!

[FockerTheLopper]

Then A Customs would be as well. Except you have more choices (Fast, Projection, Regular) and it's the original. Not a copy, unlike A... oh i mean Vault.
I played both A customs and Vaults when I tried them out at the music store, the vault was louder and had more body. Advantages of A custom is that you have more choices though.

[aznriceball]

Do you think we havent compared the two cymbals? Come on use your ears they are an exact rip off! Hell flip the V over and it looks exactly the same as the A!!

im not entirely sure, but i think hes talking to the newbie asking about the cymbals..hes already been pwned in the vaults/a custom thing.

[FockerTheLopper]

Okay, that does it, I'm going to the Zildjian page and the sabian page and comparing the 2. I compared them in the store but that isn't enough because I wasn't in this big contriversy... The final judgement is near!
Okay I just compared 16s and one major difference. Vault just goes nice and quick, zildjians boom up to it. The vault is a little faster on the site the sabian has less body but when I compared it had more. So for the most part the vaults are quicker. Thats just about the main difference in why I like them more. Zildjian are more consistent in cymbals which is good and bad, but for fast crashes I choose vaults.

[aznriceball]

a custom fast crash > vault :D

[davidseung]

yes.. sabian vaults sound very similar to zildjian's A Customs..


however, the A Custom sound was previously unavailiable from Sabian. Therefore Sabian found their own way to provide that kind of sound to their customers, and i give them credit for that... (seeing as though the manufacturing methods are quite different)

but anyway.. back to the question... seriously give the MB20s a try.. they sound great and are as LOUD as hell.

[Aaron]

What one persons personal opinion of a product is in a case where they are PAID to say good things. Now there's a reliable 3rd party objective view.... (sarcasm)
Yea, funny how EVERYTHING MD reviews is great. The reviews in mag's are bogus for the most part.
i love when you read the review, and the next page its the add. now that independent media!

[HeLLmO]

i don't trust MD, so i read DRUM! not sure if it's actually better, but i like it more. i'm still pissed at MD for not puting Danny Carey in the MD festival vid, even though i'm sure it's just some isue with carey like a contract or something. as for vaults and a customs, are they alot alike? sure. rip offs? most likely, but they are both great cymbals, and i will go with Vaults and here is why
http://www.massmusic.net/shop/?shop=1&cat=1372&cart=2150122 -Vault 18'' crash-$141

http://www.massmusic.net/shop/?shop=1&cat=791&cart=2150122 -A Custom- 18'' crash-$194

so i personally wanna save that $53. plus those vault artisan rides are sick IMO

[aznriceball]

^ u get a 38 USD mass cash. so the difference is not so big.

[rockindrummer]

Paiste Sigs.

[Josiah]

and i will go with Vaults and here is why
http://www.massmusic.net/shop/?shop=1&cat=1372&cart=2150122 -Vault 18'' crash-$141

http://www.massmusic.net/shop/?shop=1&cat=791&cart=2150122 -A Custom- 18'' crash-$194

so i personally wanna save that $53. plus those vault artisan rides are sick IMO


Well that's your stupid fault for buying from that dealer. They are the same price on Musiciansfriend.

AND Yesterday I was at GuitarCenter and the Vaults for $10 MORE then the corrisponding A Custom size.

i love when you read the review, and the next page its the add. now that independent media!

Exactly my point.

[Aaron]

i r winner!

[FockerTheLopper]

a custom fast crash > vault :D
I don't see what everyone has against vaults, lets face it. They rule!

[Aaron]

Focker, only contribute things that are worth reading.

[Brokensticks]

Sabian is all I buy, I don't see a need for anything else and it is nice to have all the same line, but I wouldn't mind having a set of all mixed.