Who will be the NFL MVP this year? [Archive]

YDload

12-29-2005, 02:03 AM

I'm guessing Manning will take it, and I'd be hard pressed to say that he shouldn't. Shaun Alexander also had a great year, ditto Carson Palmer, but this really seems to be the way things would be headed.

What do you think? Who WILL win and who SHOULD win?

Who's the Boss?

12-29-2005, 02:04 AM

Manning.

Manning.

Illmatic

12-29-2005, 02:05 AM

Manning
Brady
Alexander
Palmer
Barber
Urlacher

that would be my ballot

Rats!

12-29-2005, 02:06 AM

Daunte Culpepper

Who's the Boss?

12-29-2005, 02:06 AM

haha

YDload

12-29-2005, 02:08 AM

daunte Culpepper

More like Brad Johnson. He could be like Brady and Roethlisberger by stepping up to the challenge after an injured starter, even though the circumstances are completely different.

Rats!

12-29-2005, 02:12 AM

yeah, if it wasn't for Daunte, my Vikings probably would have made it into the playoffs.

Liberi Fatali

12-29-2005, 02:15 AM

I'll just go with Manning, although I'm tempted to say Alexander or Palmer (who has had more games with 100+ passer rating than Manning).

yeah, if it wasn't for Daunte, my Vikings probably would have made it into the playoffs.
Even if you made it, you wouldn't deserve to be there.

YDload

12-29-2005, 02:15 AM

Illmatic

12-29-2005, 02:18 AM

I'm a Steelers fan, according to where I live, yet I curiously did not pick Hines Ward, Willie Parker, or Ben Roethlisberger as MVP...

Hmm that's strange, it's almost as if I was trying to be somewhat objective.

Yet you had Marvin Harrison (what the hell?) over Brian Urlacher (think Ray Lewis in 2000, minus the self-promotion) and Tiki Barber (how many running backs are better this year? Alexander? Who else?)

YDload

12-29-2005, 02:20 AM

Yet you had Marvin Harrison (what the hell?) over Brian Urlacher (think Ray Lewis in 2000, minus the self-promotion) and Tiki Barber (how many running backs are better this year? Alexander? Who else?)

I don't know!! I don't pay attention to NFC very well and I feel very shitty for missing even a few people.

EDIT: thanks for adding them whoever you are :)

Illmatic

12-29-2005, 02:20 AM

Shame on you.

For that, I demand you to...

well, I can't think of a worse punishment than being a Steelers fan, so there you go.

Liberi Fatali

12-29-2005, 02:21 AM

I'm a Steelers fan, according to where I live, yet I curiously did not pick Hines Ward, Willie Parker, or Ben Roethlisberger as MVP...

Hmm that's strange, it's almost as if I was trying to be somewhat objective. I didn't realise he was actually being serious. :-/

He actually voted for him in the poll.

Yet you had Marvin Harrison (what the hell?) over Brian Urlacher (think Ray Lewis in 2000, minus the self-promotion) and Tiki Barber (how many running backs are better this year? Alexander? Who else?) I added 'em both in the poll just then. No doubt someone will want to vote for Tiki, especially if they get all their NFL wisdom from ESPN.

well, I can't think of a worse punishment than being a Steelers fan, so there you go.
Being a Cardinals fan? Or a fan of the the many other teams that are stuck in a rut.

Illmatic

12-29-2005, 02:22 AM

I added 'em both in the poll just then. No doubt someone will want to vote for Tiki, especially if they get all their NFL wisdom from ESPN.

Hey, I've been on the Tiki Bandwagon since the Giants' Super Bowl year in 2000.

YDload

12-29-2005, 02:22 AM

Shame on you.

For that, I demand you to...

well, I can't think of a worse punishment than being a Steelers fan, so there you go.

Being a Steelers fan is fun, you get to relive the 70s except without all the drugs and fun... :):(

Illmatic

12-29-2005, 02:22 AM

Being a Steelers fan is fun, you get to relive the 70s except without all the drugs and fun...

...and championships :eek:

YDload

12-29-2005, 02:23 AM

...and championships :eek:

In the 70s? You'd better think again!

ps brady sucks coks lololol

Illmatic

12-29-2005, 02:35 AM

In the 70s? You'd better think again!

Yeah I don't see how you're reliving the 70's though, because that would mean actually winning a Super Bowl or four.

YDload

12-29-2005, 02:38 AM

Well, reliving them vicariously through the resurgence of a powerhouse AFC with several great teams :sigh:

Illmatic

12-29-2005, 02:39 AM

You guys are reliving the early 1990's Buffalo Bills more than anything.

Wait, scratch that, Philly is doing that.

ThePatient

12-29-2005, 09:25 AM

Who should win? Shaun Alexander.

Who will win? Manning or Alexander. From there it could go either way.

The Buttloaves

12-29-2005, 11:37 AM

Jamal Lewis.

seanman99

12-29-2005, 11:41 AM

Manning will win it. Media loves the QB. Alexander probobly deserves it though.

Mute Print

12-29-2005, 11:46 AM

Although Manning will probably win it, I think the MVP should go to Shaun Alexander. He's had a great year, and is a huge part of why the Seahawks are the best team in the NFC.

Hababi

12-29-2005, 01:51 PM

Shaun Alexander. The Colts would make the playoffs without Peyton Manning, if the rest of their team was in place and an average quarterback was under center. Without Alexander, the Seahawks wouldn't have been near as good as they were. He's the most valuable player to arguably the best team (certainly one of the top 5).

Runners up:
Carson Palmer
Tiki Barber
Brian Urlacher
Tom Brady

Illmatic

12-29-2005, 02:51 PM

The Colts would make the playoffs without Peyton Manning

Are you kidding me?

Hababi

12-29-2005, 02:56 PM

Are you kidding me?

Nope, not this year. I'm not saying put Alex Smith in there for them, but give them an average quarterback. Give them Trent Dilfer. They make the playoffs this year.

Illmatic

12-29-2005, 03:10 PM

Nope, not this year. I'm not saying put Alex Smith in there for them, but give them an average quarterback. Give them Trent Dilfer. They make the playoffs this year.

Are you kidding me?

I'm not a Colts fan or a Peyton Manning fan, not by a long shot, but to downplay his importance to that team is simply ridiculous. Stick to hoops, Tri, you just do not know what you are talking about.

Peyton has the arm and accuracy that the average quarterback ('a Trent Dilfer') doesn't have, and there isn't a single quarterback in the league (maybe ever) who does as much playcalling as he does.

Jersey's Best Dancer

12-29-2005, 03:38 PM

Pm.

Hababi

12-29-2005, 03:48 PM

Peyton has the arm and accuracy that the average quarterback ('a Trent Dilfer') doesn't have, and there isn't a single quarterback in the league (maybe ever) who does as much playcalling as he does.

I'm not saying Manning isn't a great quarterback; he is. He's probably the best QB in the league. But his value to his team at this point in time is not the same as Alexander's value, because there's such a strong cast around him. James. Harrison. Freeney. Etc.

Illmatic

12-29-2005, 03:53 PM

Right, I forgot that Edgerrin James' and Marvin Harrison's values weren't increased due to having Manning on their team.

And at the same time, a franchise quarterback trumps a great running back any day of the week. Why do you think the Seahawks are so hesitant to lock Alexander up long-term? Because they know that it's easiest to replace a running back.

YDload

12-29-2005, 04:12 PM

Hey Illmatic, I know you're a big Pats fan, so can you tell me why the sports media loves Tom Brady so much? I mean, the cover of that recent Sports Illustrated issue seems to give him a cult icon status, and I never really understood it. Is there any quarterback, nay, any SPORTS figure who ever deserves so much praise?

I mean, I would think that given the margin of victory for each of their Super Bowl wins, that Vinateri was the true savior of their team.

rbv

12-29-2005, 04:38 PM

Shaun Alexander

ihatemybass

12-29-2005, 06:30 PM

Shaun Alexander will probably take it but I think Brady is a very possible recipient.

Liberi Fatali

12-29-2005, 06:38 PM

Brady smady, he hasn't had that great of a season.

Illmatic

12-29-2005, 07:10 PM

Brady smady, he hasn't had that great of a season.

Explain.

I mean, I would think that given the margin of victory for each of their Super Bowl wins, that Vinateri was the true savior of their team.

Vinatieri is a local hero, and for a kicker I'd say he's earned an extraordinary amount of attention.

Hey Illmatic, I know you're a big Pats fan, so can you tell me why the sports media loves Tom Brady so much? I mean, the cover of that recent Sports Illustrated issue seems to give him a cult icon status, and I never really understood it. Is there any quarterback, nay, any SPORTS figure who ever deserves so much praise?

He's a good-looking California guy who went to Michigan but also somehow proved to be an underdog story (as a former 6th round draft pick and fourth-string QB on the Pats), is the face of a three-time Super Bowl Champion (and is a two-time Super Bowl MVP), has twice toppled contemporary rival Peyton Manning, has the image of a nice, personable guy, and, most importantly, has drawn [well-deserved, in my opinion] comparisons to Joe Montana. That's mainly why the sports media goes ga-ga over him.

YDload

12-29-2005, 07:18 PM

It's true, he was an underdog story. I actually remember the first Super Bowl win was quite gratifying, the biggest spread that any underdog has ever overcome in the big game. But after a while I just got kinda sick of hearing about him.

I guess beating the Steelers in the AFC championship game and once again this season had something to do with it. But we will always have that one victory which snapped the Pats' winning streak :cool:

Illmatic

12-29-2005, 07:20 PM

But we had the win that snapped your win streak.

And Ben Rofflesberger's.

And didn't we beat you guys on the way to the first Super Bowl victory? Troy Brown's punt return for a TD, Troy Brown blocking the field goal and lateralling it to Je'Rod Cherry (I think) for the TD, Drew Bledsoe coming off the bench to throw a TD, Kordell Stewart throwing 356246 picks?

YDload

12-29-2005, 07:21 PM

I don't remember many of the Steelers' AFC championship losses at Heinz Field/Three Rivers Stadium. They all just sort of blur together :angry:

Hababi

12-29-2005, 08:55 PM

Right, I forgot that Edgerrin James' and Marvin Harrison's values weren't increased due to having Manning on their team.

Put James on a different team with a lesser QB and he'll still get you over 1500 all purpose yards. James is an elite RB and will have a huge impact, no matter what team he's on. Does Peyton increase his value? Sure. But does James increase Peyton's value? You'd better believe it. Same thing with Harrison. Manning wouldn't have thrown 47 TD's with Atlanta's recieving crew.

And at the same time, a franchise quarterback trumps a great running back any day of the week. Why do you think the Seahawks are so hesitant to lock Alexander up long-term? Because they know that it's easiest to replace a running back.

Who's more valuable to his team? Manning to the Colts or Alexander to the Seahawks?

Illmatic

12-29-2005, 09:33 PM

Same thing with Harrison. Manning wouldn't have thrown 47 TD's with Atlanta's recieving crew.

You could probably put him down for 30-plus, though.

Who's more valuable to his team? Manning to the Colts or Alexander to the Seahawks?

There's a reason Manning signed a multi-year, bazillion-dollar extension and Alexander hasn't even been offered one. Hell, I bet if Shaun Alexander and Edgerrin James switched teams, no one would notice.

YDload

12-29-2005, 09:35 PM

There's a reason Manning signed a multi-year, bazillion-dollar extension and Alexander hasn't even been offered one. Hell, I bet if Shaun Alexander and Edgerrin James switched teams, no one would notice.

I think that would be a pretty neat combination though. Although the showdown between Urlacher and Alexander should make for an interesting NFC playoff game, if that's one of the matchups.

pikester

12-29-2005, 10:49 PM

Shaun Alecksandah

Brewer14

12-29-2005, 11:16 PM

Alexander

Hababi

12-29-2005, 11:23 PM

There's a reason Manning signed a multi-year, bazillion-dollar extension and Alexander hasn't even been offered one. Hell, I bet if Shaun Alexander and Edgerrin James switched teams, no one would notice.

And if Manning and Tom Brady would switch teams, hardly anyone would notice, beyond Manning's pre snap dances.

Without Alexander or a comparable RB, the Seahawks are 7-9.
Without Manning or a comparable QB, the Colts are 9-7, at least.

When Manning had off games, the Colts still won. When Alexander has off games, the Seahawks lose.

Junooni

12-29-2005, 11:40 PM

Ideally, Santana Moss.

Illmatic

12-30-2005, 12:56 AM

When Alexander has off games, the Seahawks lose.

Against Dallas, Alexander had 61 yards on 21 carries. Seattle won.
Against Philly, Alexander had 49 yards on 19 carries. Seattle won.

And if Manning and Tom Brady would switch teams, hardly anyone would notice, beyond Manning's pre snap dances.

Hardly. Manning and Brady are both great quarterbacks, but they have contrasting styles. I hate to bring up the cliched Marino and Montana comparisons, so I'll just say that Manning is like Ted Williams and Brady is like Joe DiMaggio.

Lempard

12-30-2005, 05:39 AM

Jake Plummer, because hes finally decided to stop throwing interceptions (for the time being). Can't wait for the play-offs...

Hababi

12-30-2005, 12:01 PM

Against Jacksonville, Manning was 13 of 28 for 122 yards with a 46.4% completion rate, 0 TD's and 1 interception. 44.0 QB rating. The Colts still won.

Manning and Brady are both great quarterbacks, but they have contrasting styles. I hate to bring up the cliched Marino and Montana comparisons, so I'll just say that Manning is like Ted Williams and Brady is like Joe DiMaggio.

With the game on the line, I'll stil take Brady.

Illmatic

12-30-2005, 12:22 PM

Against Jacksonville, Manning was 13 of 28 for 122 yards with a 46.4% completion rate, 0 TD's and 1 interception. 44.0 QB rating. The Colts still won.

I never said the Colts didn't win when Manning had off-days, I was simply saying that the Seahawks won on Alexander's two worst games, which easily refutes your point.

With the game on the line, I'll stil take Brady.

Brady, Barber, and Urlacher are my top 3 for MVP voting so It's not like I'm about to disagree.

YDload

12-30-2005, 02:55 PM

Pfft, Brady doesn't deserve the MVP with the season he's had. Although if they make it to the Super Bowl and pull through again, then by all means give him the award.

Illmatic

12-30-2005, 03:01 PM

4,073 yards, 25 touchdowns, 2-to-1 TD-to-INT ratio, 63.4 completion percentage on a team that's relied on a fullback, a backup fullback, and a banged-up Corey Dillon for a running game.

He doesn't deserve MVP?

Typical Steelers fan.

YDload

12-30-2005, 03:11 PM

Hey, the Pats and Steelers have the same record, and that's only because Roethlisberger was injured, so two of those losses came at the hands of former XFL superstar Tommy Maddox.

Although as far as quarterbacks are concerned, Manning is still the only one who really deserves the MVP. Once again, I'm not saying that the Pats can't make a big comeback in the playoffs (as they're apt to do), but the regular season really belonged to the Colts.

Illmatic

12-30-2005, 03:17 PM

Pittsburgh has a top 5 defense (statistically) and a top 10 running game. New England has been in the bottom 10 in both categories for most of the year, and Brady did a remarkable job keeping us afloat during the murder stretch in the first half of the year (home games against Indy and San Diego, road games in Carolina, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, and Denver). With a lesser quarterback we would have been 2-6.

YDload

12-30-2005, 03:22 PM

Brady is a good quarterback, I suppose, but the MVP won't be awarded just for being "not as bad as you could have been."

Hababi

12-30-2005, 04:45 PM

Brady, Barber, and Urlacher are my top 3 for MVP voting so It's not like I'm about to disagree.

Ok, at least you're on track with them. And why isn't Barber getting more talk for MVP?

The only reason I don't say Brady first and foremost is because the Pats don't have one of the best two records in the league. I think if you took all the playoff teams and looked at them equally, it'd have to be Brady. He held the Pats together through all the injuries they suffered.

Urlacher was overrated for a few years, it's good to see him finally live up to the hype. He should get defensive player of the year this year (with Polomolu getting the AFC DPY award) and I wouldn't object to him being chosen MVP.

Illmatic

12-30-2005, 04:55 PM

but the MVP won't be awarded just for being "not as bad as you could have been."

Yeah, but it will be awarded to the most important player on a playoff team, and Brady can certainly stake a claim in that.

And why isn't Barber getting more talk for MVP?

Because Eli Manning is stealing his thunder in the media.

But the Barbers as a whole are pretty underrated. I think Ronde is one of the three best cornerbacks of my lifetime, but I'm definitely alone there.

YDload

12-30-2005, 04:58 PM

Because Eli Manning is stealing his thunder in the media.

But the Barbers as a whole are pretty underrated. I think Ronde is one of the three best cornerbacks of my lifetime, but I'm definitely alone there.

Who are the others? I mean, I don't really know any cornerbacks except for Rod Woodson. Or maybe I'm wrong and I just don't know who's a CB and who isn't.

Illmatic

12-30-2005, 05:03 PM

Deion Sanders and either Darrell Green or Ty Law (although that might be bias on my part).

DuckinFutch

12-30-2005, 05:56 PM

Ok, at least you're on track with them. And why isn't Barber getting more talk for MVP?

because Alexander is doing so much more...

He's the top RB, in just about everyone's mind, this disqualifying all the others... With QB's it's still up in the air, although I'd take Manning every day of the week...