Enegetic solos... ...yeah! need help!

[Piri]

ok! How can I explain what I want...

I can only improvize solos in C major scales in the whole guitar arm (for now. I'll work on other scales later. I just want to get the technique down).
But whenever I improvize solos, it ALWAYS sound melancholic. Even if the whole song is energetic and "happy".
So I really need to know! Is there a specific way to play those happy energetic solos and those violent, raging but still energetic solos?

Please note that my problem isn't with the whole song but only with the solos.
And please don't tell me that I have to be in the mood or it must come out of your soul cuz sometimes I'm the happiest guy in the world and my improvized solos (and consequently my composed solos too) sound melancholic!
Any help would be welcome.

thanx in advance! :thumb:

[silverburst9]

just play as fast as you can without being sloppy, and be very agressive( lots of harmonics, and vibrato.) dare i even say use a wah wah. or try to keep with the melody, but it has to match the song, and if if doesnt, thats why you solos might sound bad.

[Piri]

I did not say they sound bad!
In fact, they saound really beautifull.
My problem is that they are always melancholic and not happy.
But thanks for the help anyway.

any more help would be welcome

[ThePinkPanther]

Use a different scale.

[Steerpike]

Depends on which note you keep returning to. If you keep going back to the A, then you're not playing C major, you're playing A minor.

[Piri]

hmmm! Im begining to understand...
I tried improvising in other scales and they sounded much "happier"!

anyway! can you please make a list of wich major scales sound melancholic and wich sound happier?
or at least can u please tell me a scale that sounds "happy"?

and thanks a lot for your advice steerpike, but I never learned minor scales :p nor I understand what they have in diffrent with major scales!
thanks for tha help though

[Timm]

start and end your phrases on C for a start

[Hourglass]

minor scales are happy
major are sad
modal are a mixture

[judge_gideon]

If you want to make solos which sound gleeful or happy, try playing major pentatonic patterns.

If you want, I can post some for you.

[Timm]

the other way around but nevermind

TS
you learned the C major scale right?
do you only know where the notes are on the fretboard or do also know what note is for example on the b-string on the 13th fret (C)? you should learn that if you don't, at least the root note ( C in this case)
now the C major scale has these notes CDEFGAB
if you accentuate the C (the root note) you get the Ionian mode (that's actually C major), a happy mode.
if you were to accentuate the A you'd be playing the Aeolian mode (the A minor scale)
all the different notes in the scale determ what mode you're playing in according to your accentuation

hope that helps a little

[Piri]

wow! now were getting somewhere! :D
I also know all the pentatonic minor scales.

and no. I dont know wich note I'm playin. I just know the scale in the whole arm. But I'll try to fix that.

I know something about that.
can you tell me wich of those (lonian, dorian, aeolian) sound happy? And wich ones sound sad? and how to do them? Cuz I never had anyone who explained that to me, and I'm on holidays and I'm only gonna have guitar class in 2 weeks or so.

thanks for everything

[Timm]

Ionian- happy (that's your normal major scale)
dorian-sad
phyrigian-angry
lydian- pretty happy
mixolydian-the happiest
aeolian-sad (normal minor scale)
locrian-very angry

I try to find diatonic dissonance's and ZakkWylde's lesson they did one this, it's really easy to understand and well thought out

gimme a sec

[rob91]

for a start, play on the neck of the guitar, not the arm

[Timm]

there you go
this should answer pretty much all your questions :)

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=399249

[Piri]

wow thanx! I'll try to find all my answares in there then.
thanks a lot for all tha help duds. :thumb:
I'm begining to understand all I wanted. thanx a lot again.

yay

[Alive]

Hmm.

Trea and Gav will be here soon, and Greg is probably typing a mahoosive post as I type, so I'll just leave you with this:

Try and start your phrases on C.

C can be found at the 8th fret on the low E string, on the third (and fifteenth) fret on the A string and on the 10th fret of the D string.

There's also lots of other places, but these will suffice for now. You'll notice that if you play up one octave (8 notes) from any of these positions, it will sound a lot different (i.e. happier) than if you play it starting from, say, the 5th fret on the low E string (which is the A note, making it an A minor scale).

[Piri]

I finally got it! All I needed was to understand the scale modes.
Thanks a lot duds! really! thanks a lot!

[coontc]

yeah, change the scale or change the mood of ur solo