All things Math Rock, Noise Rock, Avant-Garde, etc...

[UltimaTap]

This thread may have been done before, but...
Any fans? Favorite albums, bands, future of the genre(s)?

I have some favorites: Slint (of course), A Minor Forest, Lightning Bolt, Hella, some Don Caballero, Volta Do Mar, Deerhoof, Boredoms, Jesus Lizard, Sonic Youth.
I might strecthing it a little.

Yet, I don't really like Shellac

Discuss.

[Sam]

I thought Math Rock was just rock in different time signatures. Then again I don't know anything about Math Rock.

[UltimaTap]

I thought Math Rock was just rock in different time signatures. Then again I don't know anything about Math Rock.

That's true, but it's much more.

Math rock is a style of rock music that emerged in the late 1980s. It is characterised by complex, atypical rhythmic structures, stop/start dynamics and angular, dissonant riffs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Math_rock

[Sam]

Nevermind. I guess I do listen to Math Rock.

Big Black and Slint are aiite.

[EightMilesHigh]

The Jesus And Mary Chain
Sonic Youth
The Velvet Underground
Kraftwerk

I think some of those would go under noise rock and avant garde, and I kinda like those bands.

[robot]

now this is the music i like- black dice, wolf eyes, growing, 16 bitch pile up, tan as ****, lightning bolt, gang gang dance, dna, jackie-o-mother****ers, teenage jesus and the jerks, terrestrial tones.... ah so good.

[Pale-Folklore]

i love don cab

i love slint too, but i wouldnt really call them math rock.. ( i dont give a con what wikipedia says, they put any band under any category if it has anything at all to do with the category, e.g. isis=stoner metal? WTF!)

[Zmev]

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U.S. Maple is good though.

[Treefingers]

Sonic Youth are fabulous (especially earlier), as are My Bloody Valentine, Velvet Underground, and to a certain extent, Yo La Tengo, Broken Social Scene, and Pixies.

[Sam]

Speaking of noise, I just got a Keiji Haino album. He is one crazy cat.

[Wanker]

Isn't avant-garde way different from math and noise rock?

[robot]

avant garde isnt really a genre

[Jawaharal]

Anybody like Sleepytime Gorilla Museum in here?

[asdf]

Anybody like Sleepytime Gorilla Museum in here?
Absolutely.

Heard of Cheer-Accident? They were playing a couple of shows with Sleepytime a while back. I heard they kind of suck live, but I really like their recorded music.

[Wanker]

avant garde isnt really a genre

Even so, those three genres/whatevers don't belong in one thread.


I think I'll make a thread called "All things bluegrass, disco, prog opera, etc..."


...shitty example, but still.

[Jawaharal]

Absolutely.

Heard of Cheer-Accident? They were playing a couple of shows with Sleepytime a while back. I heard they kind of suck live, but I really like their recorded music.
I know who dey be.

[Luxor]

The Cranium

[MemoryMachine]

If you like Math Rock you can't go wrong with Faraquet or ..Is Terrified era Dismemberment Plan.

[DualOverheadCam]

avante garde in music usually refers to modern classical that did weird things aka minimalism, serialism, ect. It involved a lot more thought then 4 guys trying to make the ****tiest possible noises with popular instruments.

[pixiesfanyo]

check out..

black dice
and
comets on fire

[comptonasseddy]

comets on fire rock, but i duno if i could classify then as math rock, more stoner/psychadelic. I really like volta do mar, they are like the only math rock band ive heard. Many different bands like the sounds of animals fighting take reference from math rock.

[Smackers]

Anybody like Sleepytime Gorilla Museum in here?

They put on a great live show both times I saw them.

[StrangelyBrewed13]

avant garde isnt really a genre


Yeah it is. What about Avant-garde jazz?

[asdf]

am I the only one who hates lightning bolt?

[rbv]

yes

[robot]

Yeah it is. What about Avant-garde jazz?

well, thats avant jazz, which is rightfully named so because it builds/expands upon jazz with that "avant-garde" vibe

avant-garde is just a phrase

[3rdplanet]

I like Heavy Vegetable - they were mentioned on this link ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Math_rock - Had no idea they were math rock though.

If you like Math Rock you can't go wrong with Faraquet or ..Is Terrified era Dismemberment Plan.

Both of those bands are excellent.

[Bukowski]

Big Black > All

[Anxious]

Big Black > All
They are REALLY good.

[cicatriz]

Rumah Sakit, Sweep the Leg Johnny. I hadn't realised there was so much good music taste here.

[james0000000000000000000000000]

jesus and mary chain, melt-banana, big black, blood brothers, wolf eyes, sonny sharrock, sonic youth, and, um, the boredoms

[Anxious]

Yay someone that listens to Sonny Sharrock.

[Tangy zizzle]

n00bs.

[robot]

call me a n00b all you want, but nothing can match the genius that is merzbow

[Mr. Ron]

Slint.

[International Steve]

Faraquet, while disbanded, will always remain at the head of math rock.

[markxander]

Faraquet, while disbanded, will always remain at the head of math rock.

Agreed wholeheartedly.

[Happymeal]

Reminds me of Polvo's Today's Active Lifestyles.

[robot]

if you like noise you must get yourself some Fenno'berg

[Bukowski]

Xinlisupreme are a very good Japanese noise band. Get the album Murder License.

[Electrocution]

Slint
Lightning Bolt
Don Caballero
Battles

[Tangy zizzle]

Again I say, n00bs.

[Electrocution]

Battles has Toni Braxton's brother.

[Tangy zizzle]

Battles are cool. John Stanier and a dude from Don cab are in there. Damm hard to get hold of their stuff though.

[bleep_bloop]

avant garde isnt really a genre
yeah, avant-garde bands are just bands ahead of their time in any genre. plus, i don't think i've ever heard any math rock, so i don't really get what it is.

[ArC]

Behold...The Arctopus are great.

Avant-Garde like Frank Zappa? Mr. Bungle? Arcturus? Good stuff, if that's what you're talking about.

Are DEP considered Math Rock?

[was_so_beautiful]

HAHHAHA...MATH rock?? that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard. rock music is just rock music. let's leave it at that.

[Electrocution]

Battles are cool. John Stanier and a dude from Don cab are in there. Damm hard to get hold of their stuff though.
A local record store randomly had it, so I snatched that **** up.

[Smackers]

Einstürzende Neubauten


....yeeeaaaahhhh.

[comptonasseddy]

HAHHAHA...MATH rock?? that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard. rock music is just rock music. let's leave it at that.

No, this thread intrigues me, i think math rock is 1 of the most unique and skillful music ive heard. Ive only heard volta do mar and i think theyre wonderful, im just trying to check out all these other bands people have posted up.

[KuroTheBassist]

In terms of start/stop dynamics and dissonant riffs, Orthrelm must be the king of Math.

Wanker is right, these three genres are completely different: How can you singularly categorize Don Caballero, Melt Banana and Phantomsmasher? You can't.


Behold...The Arctopus are great.

Avant-Garde like Frank Zappa? Mr. Bungle? Arcturus? Good stuff, if that's what you're talking about.

Are DEP considered Math Rock?

Behold... have the same guitarist and bassist as Dysrhythmia, you should check them out.

I've always heard DEP described as Tech-Metal, its pretty much the same thing, no?

[Neoteric]

Sonic Youth and Dinosaur Jr. are awesome noise rock bands :)

[noise-snack]

Lightning Bolt, Sonic Youth, Jesus and Mary Chain, Bodhisattva, Big Black, the good stuf has been covered...Deerhoof makes me..it's good

[put back the stars]

No, this thread intrigues me, i think math rock is 1 of the most unique and skillful music ive heard. Ive only heard volta do mar and i think theyre wonderful, im just trying to check out all these other bands people have posted up.

Same here, I like music that is slightly out of the ordinary, yet I've only actually heard of about two of the bands posted in this thread so far. Guess I'm not as well informed as I thought eh? Oh well must check out all these other bands as soon as possible...

[Prolapsed]

call them what you will, these are just my favs along the lines of the aformentioned styles:

the Mars Volta, the Refused, Don Cabellero, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, sonic youth, mr. bungle, zappa, atari teenage riot, the Locust, Meshuggah, aphex twin

[alan_pfeifer]

I like Hella and Lightning Bolt, although I must be in the mood for LB.

[King B]

I would say hella, merzbow, melt banana, and omoide hatoba are the best.

But as far as math goes, i think meshugga owns the genre.

[spastic]

For the love of god, someone please recommend more bands like Faraquet. I've almost never been in this forum before and haven't been on mx in months, and then I come into one thread in here and stumble across the freaking band I've been looking for.

I'll be looking through this entire thread for more bands, but if you guys could recommend bands similar to Faraquet that would be much appreciated.


Edit: After listening to a couple 30 second clips of Faraquet on iTunes I bought The View from This Tower. I really like these guys, and since I feel like listening to them instead of homework, I figured I would write here why I like them a lot.

First of all, their music is complex and engaging. If you've listened to and seriously played jazz for the last 3 years, it becomes difficult to listen to music that doesn't appeal to your intellectual side. Musically, I still think that jazz has waaay more interesting things going on, and if they had incorporated more of those aspects into their music then I would say that these guys would be up their with The Bad Plus on the "innovative scale", but they're still incredible. And since I've made the comparison to jazz, I'll go on to the next thing I like about these guys...

Composition. This doesn't really apply to any rock fans, but I think one of the things lacking in a lot of jazz artists is composition. I find that a lot of improvisation can work even better if placed in a compositional setting.

Rythmically I think these guys are doing something that very few other bands have done. They aren't as "complicated" as some prog bands, but it doesn't sound like they're putting in odd time sigs for no reason. I think Meshuggah is another band that has accomplished this, but for some reason Meshuggah has decided that they don't like chords, so almost all of their music is based around less than four notes in each song. Fortunately Faraquet decided not to do this.

Faraquet is catchy. I think catchy is an underrated commodity, especially by 'intellectuals'. It pisses me off when people say "God I can't get this crappy song out of my head!" The fact is the song is really catchy because it's doing something right. Catchy songs appeal directly to the romantic side of your brain, and there is nothing wrong with that. As I said already, I think they also appeal strongly to the intellectual side as well, so Faraquet is doing well on both sides.

Well, there are probably other reasons why I like this band, but I think I'll stop there, I've already written too much. These guys are great, if there are other bands like them then I'd love to hear them.

[MemoryMachine]

For the love of god, someone please recommend more bands like Faraquet. I've almost never been in this forum before and haven't been on mx in months, and then I come into one thread in here and stumble across the freaking band I've been looking for.

I'll be looking through this entire thread for more bands, but if you guys could recommend bands similar to Faraquet that would be much appreciated.


Edit: After listening to a couple 30 second clips of Faraquet on iTunes I bought The View from This Tower. I really like these guys, and since I feel like listening to them instead of homework, I figured I would write here why I like them a lot.

First of all, their music is complex and engaging. If you've listened to and seriously played jazz for the last 3 years, it becomes difficult to listen to music that doesn't appeal to your intellectual side. Musically, I still think that jazz has waaay more interesting things going on, and if they had incorporated more of those aspects into their music then I would say that these guys would be up their with The Bad Plus on the "innovative scale", but they're still incredible. And since I've made the comparison to jazz, I'll go on to the next thing I like about these guys...

Composition. This doesn't really apply to any rock fans, but I think one of the things lacking in a lot of jazz artists is composition. I find that a lot of improvisation can work even better if placed in a compositional setting.

Rythmically I think these guys are doing something that very few other bands have done. They aren't as "complicated" as some prog bands, but it doesn't sound like they're putting in odd time sigs for no reason. I think Meshuggah is another band that has accomplished this, but for some reason Meshuggah has decided that they don't like chords, so almost all of their music is based around less than four notes in each song. Fortunately Faraquet decided not to do this.

Faraquet is catchy. I think catchy is an underrated commodity, especially by 'intellectuals'. It pisses me off when people say "God I can't get this crappy song out of my head!" The fact is the song is really catchy because it's doing something right. Catchy songs appeal directly to the romantic side of your brain, and there is nothing wrong with that. As I said already, I think they also appeal strongly to the intellectual side as well, so Faraquet is doing well on both sides.

Well, there are probably other reasons why I like this band, but I think I'll stop there, I've already written too much. These guys are great, if there are other bands like them then I'd love to hear them.

If you like Faraquet - I heavily suggest you check out The Dismemberment Plan. Its slightly more pop-orientated and definitely alot more eclectic stylistically, but the ingredients which make Faraquet so appealing to yourself are all there - odd time signatures, mouth-watering hooks, individual virtuosity but an untouched cohesiveness in their playing etc.

Start off with Emergency & I, then ...Is Terrified. If you like Faraquet you can't really go wrong with these two.

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