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Pom-Bear
12-19-2005, 04:11 PM
Hi

I was wondering is there any theory on how to learn different styles of music?

at the moment i use E minor and Pentatonic but can solo in styles such as shredding and metal (Black Sabbath etc to Steve vai) but i want to develop my styles and punch some bluesy lines into it but simply dont kno how to expand my current knowledge on scales etc and play them differently to make a bluesy type of song

i was wondering how i could be helped

p.s. Ive tried blues scale and in my opinion its not the best scale.. as i feel restricted from notes that i want to use

MRDuCran
12-19-2005, 05:14 PM
Listen to Jazz. They use all sorts of advanced theory based stuff like extended chords and scales with chromatics all over the place.

Trigger_003
12-19-2005, 06:12 PM
Heya Chi, how's it goin?

Each genre has theory that applies to it moreso than others, but most of it applies all round. Generally the key/scale/mode and phrasing, coupled with the occasional varied technique depicts a certain style as being one opposed to another.

I dunno if you've seen this, but check out this lesson I did on improv:
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=423629
(and some of the other posts too of course, but what I'm saying relates to what I wrote there).

Once you've worked through that, since you were talking about blues, let's apply it to the blues scale.
Now I know you say you don't like the blues scale because it limits you. Noticed that it has one more note than the pentatonic? And ever noticed that the blues scale contains all the notes plus one of the minor pentatonic? If you were to take the b5 out of the blues scale formula - simply ignoring the 4th note of the blues scale - you're simply playing one of those minor pentatonics that you're used to playing.
I think it's simply because you're used to music sounding a different way, so when it comes to playing around with blues, it's going out of your comfort zone a bit. And that's fair enough. You're allowed to not like particular scales, but at least learn how to use it before you make any decisions.

I think, if you do this, you'll find you can actually do some interesting stuff without feeling too restricted. It's just a matter of getting used to it.

Let's grab the F blues scale. As you probably know, the blues scale is made up like so:
1,b3,4,b5,5,b7

So we grab the major scale:
WWHWWWH
F,G,A,Bb,C,D,E

Make the adjustments, and get:
F, Ab, Bb, B, C, Eb

i.e. (one octave)

e|---------------
B|---------------
G|---------------
D|-----------1-3-
A|-----1-2-3-----
E|-1-4-----------

And the midi: http://trombone.org/jfb/snd/BluesF.mid

Do the exact same process as I explained in the post I linked to above. And work with it.

Here are some blues backing midis to work with, again, like in the original lesson, once you feel you've mastered working with that one.
Blues - F (http://trombone.org/jfb/snd/BluesF.mid)
Blues - Gb (http://trombone.org/jfb/snd/BluesGb.mid)
Blues - G (http://trombone.org/jfb/snd/BluesG.mid)
Blues - Ab (http://trombone.org/jfb/snd/BluesAb.mid)
Blues - A (http://trombone.org/jfb/snd/BluesA.mid)
Blues - Bb (http://trombone.org/jfb/snd/BluesBb.mid)
Blues - B (http://trombone.org/jfb/snd/BluesB.mid)
Blues - C (http://trombone.org/jfb/snd/BluesC.mid)
Blues - Db (http://trombone.org/jfb/snd/BluesDb.mid)
Blues - D (http://trombone.org/jfb/snd/BluesD.mid)
Blues - Eb (http://trombone.org/jfb/snd/BluesEb.mid)
Blues - E (http://trombone.org/jfb/snd/BluesE.mid)

Work out the corresponding scales yourself with the formula, or if you're having trouble, use that guitar codex thing on cyberfret.

Trigger_003
12-22-2005, 04:34 PM
Oi, Chi
:wave:

Pom-Bear
12-22-2005, 04:51 PM
Ahhhhhhh

Kitty In Plant pot.. WITH A SANTA HAT!!!!

What have u done to santa!

anyways

Hey Ho

Merry Christmas Trea

Trigger_003
12-22-2005, 05:39 PM
Lol. You mean what has Greg done :p.
You too buddy.

Maybe I'll get msn back for Xmas... :hopeful:

Hah, did that stuff help ^?