Amazing how many people are fooled by gold!!!

[NavyBass]

A word of advise, Don't be fooled by gold plated cables, cable ends or electronics.

While it's true that gold plating conducts electricity a little bit better than brass or other materials, they key words are "a little bit". They don't conduct that much better.

Think about this, the gold plating must be plated on something. So, whether it's plated on brass, nickel, or whatever, the electricity still has to travel through the base metal before it hits the cable.

True, gold doesn't tarnish as much, but the plating can wear off, then what do you have? A regular unplated piece.

Actually, the BEST conductor of electricity is Silver. That's right it's even better than gold. Oh yea, it costs less also.

[Left Shoe]

thats something to definitley think about, thansk for pointing that out man.

now are monster cables gold plated or gold

[roee_co]

i thought people buy it cause of the looks

[Potatoe]

may i ask what sparked this rant?

(ooh and can i get a link to your site?)

edit: if monster cables used gold wire in their cables, they would have costs rivaling the the amount bush spent on the war...

well no but the would very pricy indeed

[NavyBass]

thats something to definitley think about, thansk for pointing that out man.

now are monster cables gold plated or gold

Plated. If they were real gold, even 5 karat, they would cost much more. They would also be softer.

Gold is a soft metal, which is why it's mixed with other metals. This way it can be harder.

[6stringslinger]

what about planetwaves?

[NavyBass]

may i ask what sparked this rant?

(ooh and can i get a link to your site?)


Nothing really.

Here you go. http://members.tripod.com/winterscustom/

There are a couple of new basses on there.

[Sade]

I could whip out a Chemistry book and argue semantics with ya', but...I know absolutely nothing about the topic.

[NavyBass]

I could whip out a Chemistry book and argue semantics with ya', but...I know absolutely nothing about the topic.

Then how do you know you have a valid arguement? You don't know, and you don't have one.

BTW, I can whip out countless electronics books that will back up all of my statements.

[PaulSimonon]

I remember having a discussion about this before, and it took me a long while to get people to believe me...


*tries to dig it up*

[thelowsoundofbass]

meh, i buy expensive cables because they don't break as much

lowsound

[Mr. Pickle]

i just think this is a stupid thread.

[NavyBass]

I remember having a discussion about this before, and it took me a long while to get people to believe me...


*tries to dig it up*

It's one of the first things we learned in electronics school. The instructors even brought in articles that stated it was a marketing gimmic.

The only advantage it has over a few other metals is that it doesn't tarnish quickly. There are other less expensive metals that don't tarnish and actually have better conductivity.

[NavyBass]

i just think this is a stupid thread.

Well, that was definately a stupid post.

[PaulSimonon]

I can't seem to find that discussion on here... I'm getting angry...

[Mr. Pickle]

Well, that was definately a stupid post.

much like this thread

[Sade]

Then how do you know you have a valid arguement? You don't know, and you don't have one.

BTW, I can whip out countless electronics books that will back up all of my statements.

But I'm Sade...I'm always right.

Too bad for you Mr. Pretentious asshole.

[Potatoe]

silver is a better conductor of electricty than gold is, but corrodes(sp?) more readily than gold does... copper is a very good conductor of electricty which i beleive most cables are made of...

[thelowsoundofbass]

silver is a better conductor of electricty than gold is, but corrodes(sp?) more readily than gold does... copper is a very good conductor of electricty which i beleive most cables are made of...

copper is very good, but silver is better (we use silver wire for almost everything where i work building starters). also it doesn't heat up near as much as copper does

lowsound

[NavyBass]

But I'm Sade...I'm always right.

Too bad for you Mr. Pretentious asshole.

What brought that on?

[Potatoe]

copper is very good, but silver is better (we use silver wire for almost everything where i work building starters). also it doesn't heat up near as much as copper does

lowsound


copper is one of the best heat conductors, thats why good/exspensive cookware is made from it!

the more you know:thumb:

[thelowsoundofbass]

What brought that on?

its sade, thats what

lowsound

[sixner]

(potatoe) in the apples of earth? (terre is earth right?)

whats best conductor for the $?
-sixner

[will66]

But I'm Sade...I'm always right.

Too bad for you Mr. Pretentious asshole.

wow.......

[thelowsoundofbass]

(potatoe) in the apples of earth? (terre is earth right?)

whats best conductor for the $?
-sixner

copper

lowsound

[Sade]

Hahahaha, funny how...absolutely NOBODY understood that.

Oh you people make me laugh.

[Potatoe]

pomme du terre= apple of the earth= potato in french

id say copper or aluminium, but i am far from an expert in the matter

and i beleive mr. pickle is the pretentious asshole

[Sade]

Haha, I put Pickle on my ignore list.

[Shinobi_sniper]

yeah... gold's pretty though T_T

[NavyBass]

OK, I still don't get it.:confused:

[Mr. Pickle]

i'm hurt.

[sixner]

pomme du terre= apple of the earth= potato in french


ah, now i remember... been 2 years since ive gone over any of that.....

so, copper eh?...

(trying to make post usful to thread, but has nothing)

-sixner

[naut]

ok, so what about a gold-plated, silver cable?

teh uber cable?!

[AlmightyPancake]

OK, I still don't get it.:confused:
Sade is, in this situation, the pretentious asshole, and he's pointing that out in a subversive manner.

[Shinobi_sniper]

I actually prefer cables with rubber ends

[Sade]

Sade is, in this situation, the pretentious spatula, and he's pointing that out in a subversive manner.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

[AlmightyPancake]

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.
I thought it was quite clever. I was also amused by the idea of a pretentious cooking utensil.


"This spatula is too good to flip those eggs."

[Sade]

I thought it was quite clever. I was also amused by the idea of a pretentious cooking utensil.


"This spatula is too good to flip those eggs."

"Honey-darling-sweetiepie, extend to me via arm-reach transportation service the slightly faded silver platter adorned in various pattern-shapes of recycled pig intestines and chicken menstruation, please."

[Bass_swede]

Cupper (Cu) is a good conductor, I think the tip of the ProCo cables are cupper.

[naut]

cupper eh? hmm, sounds like a fluffer who focuses her/his expertise on the testicles.

[Bass_swede]

cupper eh? hmm, sounds like a fluffer who focuses her/his expertise on the testicles.

Isn't it called cupper? :confused: That was why i added the chemical symbol (Cu). It may be called Copper? But what the hell..

English isn't my main language so don't be a bitch..

[naut]

LOMYALE.

yes, Copper.

[Bass_swede]

LOMYALE.

yes, Copper.

ok, thx

[:amaze:]

Isn't it called cupper? :confused: That was why i added the chemical symbol (Cu). It may be called Copper? But what the hell..

English isn't my main language so don't be a bitch..


I think that there's another element with the symbol Co ... not sure though.




:amaze:

[metal_bassist88]

I think that there's another element with the symbol Co ... not sure though.




:amaze:

Yeah its Cobalt.

[SixnStones]

JP, for your customs, could you say, get the Asp, but without the weird headstock (;)) and with like the headstock off the Scroll 1 or whatever?

[love_Doctorb]

I dont know anything about conduction but i do know gold holds it heat much better than many other metals, i just kind of always assumed it would have better electric conduction because of it.

But now that you mention it seems to make so much more sense, im gonna look into this stuff.

[cAPS_lOCK]

Cu comes from the latin word for copper, just as Fe comes from Ferrum.

On a different note, according to this link (http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/interconnects/silveraudiocables.php), silver isn't much better than copper either. So there seems to be no big reason to use any other material than copper, ever.

[naut]

according to this link (http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/interconnects/silveraudiocables.php)

:lol:

[sublime-et-lager]

i always thought the ends of the cable were gold plated to prevent corrosion around the contact between the cable and the amp/guitar. corrosion ruins conductivity and so they are gold plated because of this, the cable inside is still copper because it conducts electricity better/the best? but the gold is there just to keep oxides of the metals away from the point of contacts?

[Sade]

^We have a winner!

Conductivity is the key me mateys!

[cAPS_lOCK]

Ah. That makes perfect sense.

sublime-et-lager wins the thread.

[sublime-et-lager]

i dont post much, but when i do i kick arse!

[Bass_swede]

i dont post much, but when i do i kick arse!

You sure do! :thumb: It all makes sense now :)

[jaco jr]

A word of advise, Don't be fooled by gold plated cables, cable ends or electronics.

While it's true that gold plating conducts electricity a little bit better than brass or other materials, they key words are "a little bit". They don't conduct that much better.

Think about this, the gold plating must be plated on something. So, whether it's plated on brass, nickel, or whatever, the electricity still has to travel through the base metal before it hits the cable.

True, gold doesn't tarnish as much, but the plating can wear off, then what do you have? A regular unplated piece.

Actually, the BEST conductor of electricity is Silver. That's right it's even better than gold. Oh yea, it costs less also.
yeah but silver tarnishes unbelievably easily, which makes it unpractical for connections

[d-basser]

gold is the least reactive metal and in pure form will not oxidise, ie. no corrosion. during WWII a nobel prize winning chemist put his gold nobel medal into acid, dissolving it, in fear that it would be taken by the nazis. post war he returned to his lab finding the jar intact he reversed the chemical process, regaining the gold unblemished and sent it back to have his medal recast with the original gold. that is kinda unrelated but cool and proves the unreactive nature of gold and the inginuity(sp?) of scientists

[SixnStones]

the title shdv been ""Fool's Gold"

[apacherosepeacock]

A word of advise, Don't be fooled by gold plated cables, cable ends or electronics.

While it's true that gold plating conducts electricity a little bit better than brass or other materials, they key words are "a little bit". They don't conduct that much better.

Think about this, the gold plating must be plated on something. So, whether it's plated on brass, nickel, or whatever, the electricity still has to travel through the base metal before it hits the cable.

True, gold doesn't tarnish as much, but the plating can wear off, then what do you have? A regular unplated piece.

Actually, the BEST conductor of electricity is Silver. That's right it's even better than gold. Oh yea, it costs less also.

1 - Using Gold connectors improves the quality of the sound because it reduces the loss and slight distortion/colouration of the sound which occurs at the connections.

2- like you said it doesn't tarnish as much... therefore the connections stay cleaner and the sound travels through better..... the inside of a cable cant tarnish or oxidise because its not exposed to the air... unlike the connections which are exposed to air, water, a bit of everything really.

So yeah they cost more - but for studio applications that little bit of increased conductivity is worth it, and the connectors on any cable will stay sounding new for longer. They do use it for a reason someone didnt just make it up as a marketing gimmick

anyway the cost of gold plated connectors is hardly anything compared to regular steel, copper or whatever they feel like making it out of

[sublime-et-lager]

the end

[edgebass5]

"Honey-darling-sweetiepie, extend to me via arm-reach transportation service the slightly faded silver platter adorned in various pattern-shapes of recycled pig intestines and chicken menstruation, please."

Mmmmmm..... now I want some breakfast.......

the title shdv been ""Fool's Gold"

Yeah, but then we'd have an argument over the conductive/corrosive properties of iron pirite :lol:

[Sade]

Haha, I laughed at the incredibly lame joke Edge just made...

My god I feel icky now.

[rh15951]

Isn't it called cupper? :confused: That was why i added the chemical symbol (Cu). It may be called Copper? But what the hell..

English isn't my main language so don't be a bitch..

It's Cu because of the latin name (cuprate). Like lead is Pb (pubate) and tin is Sn (stannate).

[apacherosepeacock]

It's Cu because of the latin name (cuprate). Like lead is Pb (pubate) and tin is Sn (stannate).

lead is plumbum, tin is stannum and cu is from cuprum

you cant just invent these things :lol:

[rh15951]

lead is plumbum, tin is stannum and cu is from cuprum

you cant just invent these things :lol:

hey latin is obsolete, lay off einstein i was pretty close :chug:

[apacherosepeacock]

[QUOTE=rh15951]hey latin is obsolete, lay off einstein i was pretty surprised myself with that didnt know if id remember any of it (i could have it wrong anyway :lol: - no ones gonna know....)

[rh15951]

[QUOTE=rh15951]hey latin is obsolete, lay off einstein i was pretty surprised myself with that didnt know if id remember any of it (i could have it wrong anyway :lol: - no ones gonna know....)

cup... pub... stan... was right, that was the point i was tryin to convey about the origins of the names of the elements :chug:

[d-basser]

lead is plumbum

hence plumber as pipes used to be made of lead.

[PaulR]

You learn something new every day.

[apacherosepeacock]

mmm only in the bass forum could things get remotely intellectual like this

[DaveTNG]

pomme du terre= apple of the earth= potato in french

id say copper or aluminium, but i am far from an expert in the matter

and i beleive mr. pickle is the pretentious asshole

pomme de terre

Ok thats my schoolwork done for the holidays.

[WHoRRID]

who ever told u silver is most conductive lied to you. gold is but i can see where this misunderstanding came from since gold is a realtively weak metal its often mixed with other metals to provide durability and most of the time theese metals are less conductive.

[sublime-et-lager]

It's Cu because of the latin name (cuprate). Like lead is Pb (pubate) and tin is Sn (stannate).


ha! pube-ate....sorry i just thought i'd bring this topic back to idiotic level :)

[Jimbobntnr]

Silver conducts better, gold doesn't oxidize as easily. http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/mar99/920956179.Ch.r.html

[Potatoe]

who ever told u silver is most conductive lied to you. gold is but i can see where this misunderstanding came from since gold is a realtively weak metal its often mixed with other metals to provide durability and most of the time theese metals are less conductive.


you are an idiot... in their pure forms electrical conductivity falls like this
(top= most conducive)
1. silver
2. copper
3. gold
4. aluminum
5. zinc
6. nickle
7. iron
8. platinum
9. tin

the complete metalsmith Tim McCreight pg. 180

Edit: so for the money copper is the best conductor

[d-basser]

how come no sci fi nerd has said "i'll make my cable from adamantium" this thread is running dangerously on the serious.

[cAPS_lOCK]

^^^ That's because we sci-fi nerds know that adamantium doesn't exist. :)

[rh15951]

^^^ That's because we sci-fi nerds know that adamantium doesn't exist. :)


Yes it does - Adam Ant is made from it.

/lame :upset:

[d-basser]

^ lame but still i laughed. i know it doesn't exist but i was extracting the urine.

[Bass_swede]

It's Cu because of the latin name (cuprate). Like lead is Pb (pubate) and tin is Sn (stannate).

I study chemistry so I know that stuff already, and your wrong about the latin names anyway ;):thumb:

[The_Fender_Bender]

My Planet Wave lead is gold plated, and its awesome. Cuts out alot of hum and stuff. Now, play a Fender J through that into a 50wt crate, and its heaven :)
Well, IMO

[Guinpen]

I study chemistry so I know that stuff already, and your wrong about the latin names anyway ;):thumb:

so correct him?

[d-basser]

has he not been corrected already?

[Az_Holl]

Yes it does - Adam Ant is made from it.

/lame :upset:
Do you mean Atom Ant?

Becasue hes much cooler than AdamAnt, Adamant is just freaking weird.

And wolverine had adamantium grafted to his bones, but magneto ripped it out in the comic book series.

I suck :upset: