Avenged Sevenfold's Drummer

[rohbit]

I was listening to the song "Bat Country" and I was quite impressed with his drumming.

Anyone else think this guy's got some skills?

[Mr. Grill]

He's got skills, but the rest of the band turns me off from listening to them.

[rohbit]

Really?

I love their sound. They're the onyl good thing I've heard on the radio in ages.

I like how they're a potpurri of different styles.

80's metal + Hardrock = kickass.

[styler]

i like there guitarist..crap otherwise...there drummer is just a typical metal drummer

[Half Life]

Yeah, I heard the same song one morning on tv. He's good. I guess they call him "The Reverend" or something cool like that :rolleyes: I don't like the band though.

[-TheGlassPrison-]

I forget who said they saw him, but i think they said he didnt sound great live.. despite the fact that they sounded good on a cd... but then again... who doesnt?

[styler]

i can understand there singer sounding bad, with the surgery and etc

[-TheGlassPrison-]

surgery?

you mean to tell me he had surgery to sound bad?

eeee....

[bigskinny2006]

I personally don't like their new album as much as waking the fallen, I think the vocals are horrible on city of evil, but yeah, he's a good drummer "The Rev"

[drumindave]

I forget who said they saw him, but i think they said he didnt sound great live.. despite the fact that they sounded good on a cd... but then again... who doesnt?

I saw them live in Octobor. He plays his parts really precise, but he plays with almost no stlye and is boring to watch. He looks like he barely hits his drums, which could account for his drums being triggered.

[BlindWriting]

He's got some good chops, his stuff on Waking The Fallen was decent enough, now he sounds a little more typical punk-metal (i.e. using the ride's bell a lot, playing in half time, throwing in a little double kick at the same time).

[fatcow2000]

i love a7x, i hate city of evil.

SOUNDING THE SEVENTH TRUMPET, now that was one of the best cd's ever. if that was put on the radio(any song), i swear they would be huge-er than they are now.

when i saw them live, i met their camera guy, he said the reverand's influence was Lambardo(Slayer), which explains his tom angles and the way he plays. I also noticed they play a bit slower live than studio.

My g.f.'s in love with their singer, i think he looks like ****, but i could be wrong... i just wish he could still scream, damn'd bleeding throat!

want to hear when avenged was good, download: darkness surrounding, breaking their hold, and turn the other way... or just buy sounding the seventh trumpet... amazing drums on their.

for anyone interested i believe he uses a bell brass snare.

[EdBanger]

^^^ You are annoyingly wrong.

1.Just because he doesn't scream on City Of Evil doesn't make it crap.

2.Musically City Of Evil is much better, I felt that I appreciated there musical talents much more. Musically its WAY WAY better.

[genesisdrummer91]

so they used to scream?

[[Fonya]]

Apparently, then he messed up his voice or something.

[FL3P]

I thought Waking the Fallen was a great album but cant seem to get into the new album. He does look really bored when he plays and I dont know about now but I saw a clip of them from the last Warped Tour and he overplayed badly!

[fatcow2000]

^^^ You are annoyingly wrong.

1.Just because he doesn't scream on City Of Evil doesn't make it crap.

2.Musically City Of Evil is much better, I felt that I appreciated there musical talents much more. Musically its WAY WAY better.

dude, dont tell me where i am wrong.

i just dont like city of evil. i preferred the other album. ive seen them about 5 times live, from when they first started playing, and i like how they were prior city of evil. some acceptions do apply, but i just think theyve become one of those "oh, yea it's that band", not one of those "holy **** this is amazing, who is this band!" kind of bands.

[rohbit]

dude, dont tell me where i am wrong.

i just dont like city of evil. i preferred the other album. ive seen them about 5 times live, from when they first started playing, and i like how they were prior city of evil. some acceptions do apply, but i just think theyve become one of those "oh, yea it's that band", not one of those "holy **** this is amazing, who is this band!" kind of bands.


Dude, I thought "holy **** this is amazing, who is this band!" when I heard Bat Country on the radio. Let me just say, I haven't heard any melodically sound music on the radio in a while, and was extremely happy to hear them.

I look forward to hearing some of their older stuff though... I rather enjoy intensity... for example, I prefer System of a Down's first album to all their others (cept Toxicity, that album is cake). Anyways, the way I see it, they just got themselves a new fan in me, and now I will go an get their other albums to see what they used to sound like.

[Blank]

^^^ Same here.
SOAD was awesome in the day,but there still a great band.
A7X has a good drummer,and a very meliodic style at that.My guitarist is like in love with them.
Im a moderate fan but im starting to get into them a little more.

[aznriceball]

i havent heard enough of 'the rev' to form a good opinion on him, but bat country was kinda catchy. he has to push kinda hard to get into my favorites though, especially with that marylin manson look :p

[fatcow2000]

Dude, I thought "holy **** this is amazing, who is this band!" when I heard Bat Country on the radio. Let me just say, I haven't heard any melodically sound music on the radio in a while, and was extremely happy to hear them.

I look forward to hearing some of their older stuff though... I rather enjoy intensity...

first problem... listening to the radio, haha jk.

dude, listen to darkness surrounding, ill send u the song on aim... seriously, that made me love the band. i was lucky enough to see them play it live at warped tour like 3 years ago before the singers throat ****t up, those were great shows. and yea, their guitarist is awesome, but he wears the same shirt, all the time.

[Loyton]

I forget who said they saw him, but i think they said he didnt sound great live.. despite the fact that they sounded good on a cd... but then again... who doesnt?

That was I. Ive seen them twice live. This live/recording difference is due to the heavy use of triggers (ugh. you can hear it) therefore making him sound mechanical without having to use large, powerful strokes and still getting the SOUND of large, powerfull strokes. When he does fast snare rolls instead of sounding pretty impressive they rather sound buzzy. People need to play on stuff that doesnt hide errs in technique! Thats why electronic drumsets and triggers (even though you DO technically play the part) will hide your errs. He is pretty good though, better than alot, and CAN play all that stuff it just doesnt sound the same.

The guitarist on the other hand pulls off some pretty intense live moves!:thumb:

[fatcow2000]

That was I. Ive seen them twice live. This live/recording difference is due to the heavy use of triggers (ugh. you can hear it) therefore making him sound mechanical without having to use large, powerful strokes and still getting the SOUND of large, powerfull strokes. When he does fast snare rolls instead of sounding pretty impressive they rather sound buzzy. People need to play on stuff that doesnt hide errs in technique! Thats why electronic drumsets and triggers (even though you DO technically play the part) will hide your errs. He is pretty good though, better than alot, and CAN play all that stuff it just doesnt sound the same.

The guitarist on the other hand pulls off some pretty intense live moves!:thumb:

so he does trigger.. that bastard.

[Loyton]

Yes, triggering is a sin. Espically those who trigger LIVE

*cough joey JordEnson

[fatcow2000]

Yes, triggering is a sin. Espically those who trigger LIVE

*cough joey JordEnson

has he just triggered since city of evil... i dont think he did before? (i.e. the warped videos where he uses the blue drumkit and 3 cymbals)

[Enough Said91]

the first thing i noticed about the rev is that his upper body stays perfectly in place the entire time hes playin, straight up, and hes a kickasss drummer.

[Brokensticks]

Bat country I think is the only song i've heard by them. Drumming sounds pretty good.

[genesisdrummer91]

i just got into em cuz of city of evil, havent had a chance to listen to their old stuff

[Loyton]

has he just triggered since city of evil... i dont think he did before? (i.e. the warped videos where he uses the blue drumkit and 3 cymbals)

I dont know that. All i know is that what i heard (the new stuff, so im assuming thats city of evil) was triggered and the live stuff wasnt, as his reliance on the triggering was apparent. (ex. small stick heights) Not by ANY means a bad drummer! I think hes very good, but triggering i consider very unprofessional.

if i wanted tecno then id listen to crystal method!

[Senseless Apprentice]

Yeah, after hearing Bat Country on the radio, I was very intrigued. Some of the best drumming I've heard on radio in a long time.

[ian1988]

His real name is Jimmy Sullivan. He uses DW Drums and Sabian Cymbals. I like his style and snare rudiments on the City Of Evil..If it wasnt for that album I wouldnt know who they were and how good they are. Love their ****!!

[Talos]

M Shadows is a great singer ! The Rev is a cool drummer and Zacky Vengeance is an awsome guitarist. CoE is by far their best album IMO but I dont like normal things lol

[punkrockband]

the rev is a wicked sick drummer. i have a version of second heartbeat that they did. its not the one on the waking the fallen album, i think it might be a demo, but the drums are so much better than the album version. and m shadows screaming is much heavier. i put the song on the server for my bands website if you want to check it out...

THE DEMO VERSION (http://www.riotcityallstars.com/secondheartbeatdemo.mp3)

THE ALBUM VERSION (http://www.riotcityallstars.com/secondheartbeat.wma)

[Killjoy]

^^^dude it does rule :)

[fatcow2000]

haha yea, the demo version is a lot faster, i think they used a metronome for the album(obviously), so the song is a bit slower... i prefer the demo version...

[mish_a7x]

I think the rev is a sound drummer, he's got some skills for sure.

Now, I have to disagree with FatCow, imo Sounding The Seventh Trumpet wasnt the best album... Waking The Fallen was for just general listening and COE is for showing off their skills.

[CasB]

Well...I got both versions...yes the demo is a bit faster, but for the rest it sounds pretty much the same. And on both versions I don't like the mix of the sound. Some cymbals are very hard to hear.

[samtastic]

if anyone wants to hear them live
http://www.mtv2.com/#series/19223
there you go
and i think he's great... fast, precise...and their singer sounds great live i think personally.

[genesisdrummer91]

not to dis screaming fans but shadows sounded really funny on the demo

[Chester]

i like avenged sevenfold a lot, their drummer is pretty good, hes not like increduble, but definately gets the job done and does it pretty well. Its a little different than most music i listen to, but i like the guitars in their songs.

[serjtak]

the rev is just an amazing drummer. ive been listenint to a7x for a while now, and bat country is definitely not his best drumming, several songs on city of evil and even old songs have much better parts. him and bonham are my personal favorites.

[ChrisD]

I have a live clip of him on one of my dvd's and he's good.I agree that he is a typical metal drummer with the rolls/double bass that he does but he is good nonetheless.

[Skoo]

the way i see it avenged sevenfold is going to sell out...at least in the eyes of there fans before city of evil

dont get me wrong ill still listen to em but it seems that city of evil is more mainstream and i know they cant help it with the whole vocal incedent but there stuff before city of evil is harder and faster and really doesnt appeal to everyone

as for being on topic the rev kicks my ***

[a7xdrummer00]

the way i see it avenged sevenfold is going to sell out...at least in the eyes of there fans before city of evil

dont get me wrong ill still listen to em but it seems that city of evil is more mainstream and i know they cant help it with the whole vocal incedent but there stuff before city of evil is harder and faster and really doesnt appeal to everyone

as for being on topic the rev kicks my ***

They switched record companies. From Hopeless to WB records. So therefore, they play what the major record companies want now basically. They switched from hardcore to 80's metal. The Rev has honestly been my idol for drumming, everything is smooth and is quite accurate live. And Waking the Fallen was the better album, you go from metal (Chapter Four) to slow melodic rock (I Won't See You Tonight). A7X is a great band, their drummer is great, and they aren't afraid to state their opinion on how they like the fame, the women, the fast cars, and the booze (Rolling Stones). And I agree with the last quote that one dude said about how not all the old fans like their new stuff. But here's what I got to say to those guys, get over it. One of A7X's idols happen to be Guns'n'Roses, simliarity? Yes, there is.

[blacksorrows]

^^ whole heartedly i agree with that, they're a fantastic band, ive seen live videos and they're incredible, they entertain and give you the show you've paid for, and they music is just brilliance IMO especially the solos (synyster gates is proving a very amazing guitarist) and the drums are incredible from the moment i began listening to them i grew to love his use of double bass action and some of the grooves on the softer songs. Plus, they're image is one of the best ala GNR.. soo fair play to them

[chickensandwiches]

good lord avenged sevenfold is the biggest bunch of douche bags ive ever seen

they got this whole-dress to the perfect scene kid look- going
i have nothing against scene kids (im one)
but they way over do it
(probably why they got popular, having the "look", ala slipknot for nu-metal)

their drummer is pretty good , but not anything spectacular.
and their singer needs to get voice lessons

[Skoo]

^have you even given them a chance besides what they look like?

[chickensandwiches]

their drummer is pretty good , but not anything spectacular.
and their singer needs to get voice lessons
this implies i listened to them

they are terrible
they sound so...generic
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.
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they got stagenames for the love of ****! (slipknot rings a bell in this)

[thatdrummerguy]

Ive just been reminded of how many dumba$$es there are on the net.


Generic?!?!?! Is there something wrong with you?




Since when did Rock and Metal become consisted of this $hit? Its about expressing yourself how you see fit and telling Fukers like you to shove it up your a$$! Not about having a fricken beauiful voice!

[Carn]

they're a bunch of wankers. cliché ridden to the bone and not to mention a poor live act.

[Hyde]

Yes, triggering is a sin. Espically those who trigger LIVE

*cough joey JordEnson

There's nothing really bad about triggering. You need it sometimes to acheive a certain sound. Take for instance, Fear Factory... they would sound completely different without triggers. They wouldn't be Fear Factory. Same thing with Nile.

[Skoo]

this implies i listened to them

they are terrible
they sound so...generic
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they got stagenames for the love of ****! (slipknot rings a bell in this)

stage names dont mean ****

i mean sure slipknot sucks but flea is a stage name and hes one of the best bassists out there

so what do u have a problem with...if you can find me one band that sounds like avenged please tell me because they are so "generic" you shouldnt have a hard time

[Sep]

the rev is a wicked sick drummer. i have a version of second heartbeat that they did. its not the one on the waking the fallen album, i think it might be a demo, but the drums are so much better than the album version. and m shadows screaming is much heavier. i put the song on the server for my bands website if you want to check it out...

THE DEMO VERSION (http://www.riotcityallstars.com/secondheartbeatdemo.mp3)

THE ALBUM VERSION (http://www.riotcityallstars.com/secondheartbeat.wma)

Oh yeah, the demo version of that song is SO much better!!
It appeared on a Hopelessly Devoted To You compilation.

About A7X, I like STST, a couple songs off WTF and I don't like COE at all.

[a7xdrummer00]

good lord avenged sevenfold is the biggest bunch of douche bags ive ever seen

they got this whole-dress to the perfect scene kid look- going
i have nothing against scene kids (im one)
but they way over do it
(probably why they got popular, having the "look", ala slipknot for nu-metal)


Some of you amaze me, others I respect. The guy who hates A7X 'cuz they dress with the scene. Go back in time buddy, they dressed like THAT... Way before this goth look was really popular, like so now. Get your facts straight, bud


their drummer is pretty good , but not anything spectacular.
and their singer needs to get voice lessons
His singer did get voice lessons... from the coach of Mr. Axel Rose :rolleyes:

this implies i listened to them

they are terrible
they sound so...generic
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.
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they got stagenames for the love of ****! (slipknot rings a bell in this)

So what? Their stage names revolve around their band's name. Which is a bible referance for the story of Cain and Abel. Generic is hardly the word for them by the way.

[thatdrummerguy]

"And the Lord said to him,'Therefore, whoever kills Cain, vengance shall be taken on him sevenfold.'And the Lord set a mark on Cain, lest anyone finding him should kill him."

Straight out of the Bible.

[Carn]

wow. do you guys get paid for that crap or just suck their dicks every now and then?

[Josiah]

haha seriously, they must a knee pad endorsment

[chickensandwiches]

Some of you amaze me, others I respect. The guy who hates A7X 'cuz they dress with the scene. Go back in time buddy, they dressed like THAT... Way before this goth look was really popular, like so now. Get your facts straight, bud.what goth look?
they overdo the HxC scene look, buddy boy:thumb:


His singer did get voice lessons... from the coach of Mr. Axel Rose :rolleyes: . if you have a crappy voice you can go to teachers all you want and still suck, teachers dont automatically make you a great singer.



So what? Their stage names revolve around their band's name. Which is a bible referance for the story of Cain and Abel. Generic is hardly the word for them by the way.they sound like any other straight edge HxC band. For a band with originality, Fear Before the March of Flames is a better band...much better. and to the guy who mentioned Flea, that didnt matter becuase he was a one helluva personality, he fit into the name just right.

[Skoo]

and to the guy who mentioned Flea, that didnt matter becuase he was a one helluva personality, he fit into the name just right.


damn right

but a7x isnt generic u gotta admit that

[rohbit]

Wow... this thread just won't die...

[Blank]

^
Seriously.
We all realize a7x's drummer has skills.
May they be bad or good,we know he has them.
Geesh.
And i've seen this thread for like 5 days and it hasn't passed page 2.

[Carn]

damn right

but a7x isnt generic u gotta admit that

yes they are. unless you consider ripping of bands that have been around for ages to be "not generic".

[Siamese Dreams]

burn it down is a pretty cool song

[Blank]

I listened to these guys just now some more.
I don't see anything in there sound that sounds like GNR.
:confused:

500th post!

[thatdrummerguy]

yes they are. unless you consider ripping of bands that have been around for ages to be "not generic".


WTF are you talking about

[Josiah]

I think Carn was referencing to the fact that the band in question has not done anything that hasn't been done before, years ago by a number of bands.

Of course, the lyrcs, melody and rhythm has slight chagnes, but on a whole. It's nothing new.

[thatdrummerguy]

what goth look?
they overdo the HxC scene look, buddy boy:thumb:


You are one stereotypical prick. Dude, they can dress however the f u ck they want. Youve gotta remember: Theyre rich and famous , so they must be doing something right.


















































Who came first, the hater or the band?:thumb: :wave:

[thatdrummerguy]

I think Carn was referencing to the fact that the band in question has not done anything that hasn't been done before, years ago by a number of bands.

Of course, the lyrcs, melody and rhythm has slight chagnes, but on a whole. It's nothing new.

Nobody has recently. Except the most hated band on the board, Slipknot, with the drumset spinny thing.

[Josiah]

You are one stereotypical prick. Dude, they can dress however the f u ck they want. Youve gotta remember: Theyre rich and famous , so they must be doing something right.



Wow, that shows quite an ignorance of the music BUSINESS.

They wear what the marketing agents, producers and A&R people decide for them too.

It's very scientific, very well documented and very well thought out. Record companies are not stupid, they make billions a year. How do they do this?

Because they know what sells, they practically define the market and then insert the products. As much money as you think they may be making, it's only a fraction to what the backing companies are making off them... and you.


By the way it's not hate, it's opinion. If it makes you feel better by labeling someone elses, differing opinion as "hate" and someones agreeing opinion as "smart". Then have at it.

[thatdrummerguy]

B.S. theyve always dressed like that. I mean maybe the new label made them change a brand or two, but its the same look.


Edit: By the way,you took that Slipknot comment way out of context.

Most of the peoples opinions, on this board, is that they do not like Slipknot.


that better?

[Josiah]

B.S. theyve always dressed like that. I mean maybe the new label made them change a brand or two, but its the same look.


Edit: By the way,you took that Slipknot comment way out of context.

Most of the peoples opinions, on this board, is that they do not like Slipknot.


that better?


Actually I didn't see the slipknot comment til after I posted.

You're just one of the many influx of noobs, just like that band is, and in a few months, just like every other one of them. It will be gone and a new "not so generic" band will be praised by the new set of noobs.

[chickensandwiches]

Praise Brother!




Praise the underground music scene as well.
Experimental bands are great

[chickensandwiches]

Edit: By the way,you took that Slipknot comment way out of context.

Most of the peoples opinions, on this board, is that they do not like Slipknot.


that better?
slipknot is not out of context,
why you might ask? its becuase its their image that gets them a lot of their popularity.(like slipknot) And also riding on the coat tails of the new rising popularity of metalcore and emocore

[Blank]

:lol:
Whens the last time you guys actually heard somebody talk about Slipknot?

[Wizz]

he is good , but not special imo

[drumbum562]

People should know not to argue with Josiah

Oh yea and I think A7X sucks, musically and the fact that they're sold out.
They're just another band in the mainstream now(dont get me wrong I like some mainstream bands), being popularized and listened to by little, punk, 12 year olds, who are following the latest trend. Grr..this maddens me. But A7X's drummer is just another metal drummer, he fits their band and I suppose that's all that matters.

[rohbit]

People should know not to argue with Josiah

Oh yea and I think A7X sucks, musically and the fact that they're sold out.
They're just another band in the mainstream now(dont get me wrong I like some mainstream bands), being popularized and listened to by little, punk, 12 year olds, who are following the latest trend. Grr..this maddens me. But A7X's drummer is just another metal drummer, he fits their band and I suppose that's all that matters.

*sigh* You know it's people who accuse bands of selling out that are the biggest n00bs of the lot.

This reminds me of people who accuse the offspring of selling out. It bugs the hell out of me. They signed onto a big label and almost instantly lost fans because "it was no longer cool to listen to them."

Give me a break. If you like the music, what labe a band is on shouldn't change anything. If you notice a major change in the music and don't like it, that's fine, but this selling out crap is just absurd.

It seems that the new mainstream is to be an Indy Nerd who denounces "mainstream" bands.


Never the less, you're entitled to your own blah blah blah blah etc etc.

[Josiah]

It seems that the new mainstream is to be an Indy Nerd who denounces "mainstream" bands.


I've noticed that as well.

[drumbum562]

*sigh* You know it's people who accuse bands of selling out that are the biggest n00bs of the lot.

This reminds me of people who accuse the offspring of selling out. It bugs the hell out of me. They signed onto a big label and almost instantly lost fans because "it was no longer cool to listen to them."

Give me a break. If you like the music, what labe a band is on shouldn't change anything. If you notice a major change in the music and don't like it, that's fine, but this selling out crap is just absurd.

It seems that the new mainstream is to be an Indy Nerd who denounces "mainstream" bands.


Never the less, you're entitled to your own blah blah blah blah etc etc.


Yea but in this case its true

[CasB]

Well yeah, hardcore/emocore(what's that anyway)/metalcore is being hyped. All those little kids who like metal-like music. You should be happy. It's better to listen to Avenged Sevenfold than Britney Spears.
They learn how to listen to non-standard music, and from that point they can develop their own taste. Everybody started listening to some well-known band, otherwise you wouldn't even have known the bandname.

But a sold-out gig sucks, that's centainly true.

[Josiah]

Well yeah, hardcore/emocore(what's that anyway)/metalcore is being hyped. All those little kids who like metal-like music. You should be happy. It's better to listen to Avenged Sevenfold than Britney Spears.


There's a lot more musicianship and technical playing that goes into the 'Britney Spears' type music then avengesevenfold.

[rohbit]

There's a lot more musicianship and technical playing that goes into the 'Britney Spears' type music then avengesevenfold.


I find it sad that this is true...

The musicians responsible for Britney Spears live/recorded material are spectacular..

But why don't more of us Britney Spears then? (by us, I mean MX)

[RushHourSoul]

haha, I was just about to point that out. I can't stand this stupid emo scene. All those stupid myspace kids with the xomgimemox in their name, dyed black hair and girl pants.

[RushHourSoul]

I find it sad that this is true...

The musicians responsible for Britney Spears live/recorded material are spectacular..

But why don't more of us Britney Spears then? (by us, I mean MX)

I don't like her, but I don't mind listening to it if its on, that toxic song or whatever, I liked the music for it, infact I remember saying whoever wrote this is a good pop songwriter (obviously it wasn't mrs Spears).

My guess is that a lot of people don't like it because their too cool for it

[chickensandwiches]

edit: read next post messed up

[chickensandwiches]

haha, I was just about to point that out. I can't stand this stupid emo scene. All those stupid myspace kids with the xomgimemox in their name, dyed black hair and girl pants.

not just emo, emo copied it off the hardcore scene (the dress style i mean)
grindcore/hardcore hybrid bands that are totally insane as far as musicianship is, yet for them the general style is the same

i love grind/hard core hybrid bands
cuz it aint straight grindcore where its just bunch of sped up death metal and full of "noise", its got the melodic quality of hardcore

ex:
The Locust
Norma Jean
Fear Before the March of Flames
Into the Moat

[Brokensticks]

Emo is the stupidest thing around right now, well besides my brother,

[chickensandwiches]

i must agree, although what you hear today is emocore true emo passed a long time ago

emocore is annoying the lyrics are so whiny
but the guitar licks are pretty good
not super flashy but they sound good

but i prefer grind/hardcore experimental

[Josiah]

Look.

Everything is like that is Rock or Metal.

If you are trying to come up with your own name to label your music emo, hardcore,g rind core, math metal.. whatever..


It's just a sad admitting that your music can't stand on it's own.



The lamest thing in the world when I hear 'What kind of music do you like?' 'I'm into emo and grindcore, sometimes mixed with a lil.."

Oh just shut up. Punk kids trying to make up for a lack of talent by generating their own genre.

[chickensandwiches]

i said i dont like emo i stay mostly to grindcore and hardcore experimental bands
the music genre names are just individual names for individual sounding music

grindcore sounds different than straight metal
slayer dont sound like norma jean
so they need seperate genres

but in a totally general way of speaking its metal but then your not talking individual bands just all of them in...general

[Josiah]

Yea, then it's like.. well just say the name of the band(s).

I like rock music.. Tool, RATM, Incubus. All sound different, but it's all rock.

[chickensandwiches]

man i think avenged sevenfold may be the new slipknot of mx
it just goes on and on

[Josiah]

Hahaha

I will say the band is better as a whole. Least they don't have guys smashing kegs with baseball bats..

[chickensandwiches]

true not as disgustingly image based as slipknot
where everysong sounds exactly the same

[Gregory]

The Rev displayed some of his flashier drumming on Sounding the seventh trumpet, however it was a little sloppy sounding. He fixed that up by making his fills a LOT less complex on the next cds...however he doesnt seem to play out at all on the cds.
My favorite thing he does that I like is playing 16ths or triplets in the bass, snare 2 + 4 and playing crash on downbeats and china on upbeats.

[chickensandwiches]

that doesnt sound like the spectacular drummer all his b!tches having been fawning over

[Motley Crue A7x]

that doesnt sound like the spectacular drummer all his b!tches having been fawning over

hmmm somehow i think hes doing a little better then you at the moament dont you.

hes prob with some hot super model drinking beer and having a laugh. Which your on here acting like mr know it all, with a name like chickensandwiches wtf?!?!?!?!?

:chug:

[Josiah]

hmmm somehow i think hes doing a little better then you at the moament dont you.

hes prob with some hot super model drinking beer and having a laugh.


A person with priorities that far out of whack doesn't deserve to play drums.


There's only one thing for you to do - Pack em up, and give them away.

[a7xdrummer00]

This thread came back? Can't we just agree the Rev is a talented drummer whether or not we like Avenged Sevenfold?

[Carn]

Talented in your opinion, "just ok and plays in a ****ty band" in most others. :)

[fatcow2000]

honestly, one of the best drummers. sounding the seventh trumpet was amazing, and they are never going to be the same. they arnt my taste anymore, and they seem bubble-gum pop/metal. ST7thT was a really good cd. i would say its one of the most 'complete' cds i own, its perfectly put together in my opinion for what they were doing. waken the fallen was epic as well, but the drumming was toned down. and city of evil, i dont even know what to say... it sounds generic.

honestly his drumming when they started is really inspiring.

[MerDeNoms]

Musically.. City of Evil PWNS their other stuff. But as far as best sounding work, I prefer Waking the Fallen. Sounding the Seventh Trumpet isn't very clean, and isn't recorded too well, something about it just kinda annoys me a little.

Matt's voice grew on me, I can tolerate most of the songs off of City of Evil now. And Jimmy doesn't trigger his drums, he just EQ's the hell out of his bass drum, and compresses the sound a lot to get it clicky. With all of his precise and quick footwork, it is almost needed for him. I for one am not intrigued by stage presence in a drummer, that is what singers and guitarists are for. I think that drummers look stupid when they are flailing around and doing crazy stuff. I'd rather them play their parts right. I saw Dream Theater and was horribly turned off and disapointed to see Mike cutting parts out of their songs to throw in stick tricks and twirls. That is just stupid. Play the song, that's more important.

[Motleyguy]

their new album is crap. The Rev is solid, but has no style, he's just like super precise, there isn't much feel to anything he plays. Not to mention, their bad rehash of 80's metal made me lose all respect for them.

[Motleyguy]

Look.

Everything is like that is Rock or Metal.

If you are trying to come up with your own name to label your music emo, hardcore,g rind core, math metal.. whatever..


It's just a sad admitting that your music can't stand on it's own.



The lamest thing in the world when I hear 'What kind of music do you like?' 'I'm into emo and grindcore, sometimes mixed with a lil.."

Oh just shut up. Punk kids trying to make up for a lack of talent by generating their own genre.

man, you took the words out of my mouth. It's "scene" kids trying to be more "scene" than the rest of the "scene" kids, by creating an all new genre so that it seems like they have discovered something totally fresh and cool. In reality, it's just a bunch of rehashed junk.

[a7xdrummer00]

Meh they are like sub genres... But they are making up new genres everyday it seems. Math metal? Haha, I may sound stupid, but what bands do some consider 'math metal'

[Josiah]

I think stuff like Mudvayne is considered that. Just cause it's not really about emotionality of the music, but "how crazy can we make something"

[rohbit]

As the thread starter, I started this thread to say, "Hey, this guy's got some skills," and "I like their sound," and that I don't think they're a sh*tty band.

Sure beats the hell out of listening to The Killers or Franz Ferdinand IMO...

[Rayne264]

Sure beats the hell out of listening to The Killers or Franz Ferdinand IMO...
i can agree with that

[Motleyguy]

I think stuff like Mudvayne is considered that. Just cause it's not really about emotionality of the music, but "how crazy can we make something"

While Mudvayne is extremely talented. I hate how bands have little to no feeling in their music. You are right though, bands like Mudvayne and Meshuggah (apparently the math metal pioneers:confused: ) are what many consider to be math metal. I can't stand genres, so I call it rock, metal, punk, not emopunkmathcore. Ugh, what happened to good old rock and roll.

[fatcow2000]

she died... i stabbed her multiple times in the heart and ****ed each of her stab wounds.

shes doing better now, the wounds are healing, but the scars are going to be with her forever...

honestly there is no rock and roll left... no one supports local bands as much as they used to and its a dieing trend... not to mention rappers make more money. and they get all the hot booty, right. (joke).

hehe, hopefully everyone on the forum reads this **** and takes it all in, and then regurgitates a bunch of good music onto the "scene".

[chickensandwiches]

hmmm somehow i think hes doing a little better then you at the moament dont you.

hes prob with some hot super model drinking beer and having a laugh. Which your on here acting like mr know it all, with a name like chickensandwiches wtf?!?!?!?!?

:chug:
he just sounds like a rich redneck how you describe
and i dont know it all
i just know more than you ignorant ***
joey jordison is probably doing the same thing does that make him a respectable drummer?

dont judge the name
at least i dont have a predictable name like motleycrue a7x
you effing tool

[rocksleepeat2]

I love a7x and have liked them for awhile. I think all there cds are good and there drummer is the man(listen to "beast and harlot")

Synester Gates(Lead Guitar) is the ****

Singing could be less sketchy but not to bad for a guy who poped and a blood vessel in his neck.

[drumman]

Personally, I think The Rev is a good drummer. He plays his parts extremely tight both live and in studio, which is a big thing now adays with the bands playing REALLY crappy live.

I must agree that I like their old stuff better, in exception to Bat Country and Beast and the Harlot.

[rohbit]

Hey guys, not to be a jerk or anything, but could a mod just lock this thread?

I hate seeing it get bumped up...

We've discussed this topic to death now.

[chickensandwiches]

hear hear!
find a mod and tell him this thread is going nowhere

[aznriceball]

math metal is a genre? i thought that was a joke..

[Almighty_ODST]

personally i think there drummer is terrible. yeah hes pretty dang fast on double bass but thats just about it he hits the snare in such repetativeness that i cant listen to more than one of there songs an hour hes so overkill on the snare. and after one song there guitars start to get annoying because their always in the high register and they do the same stuff over and over again...IMO theyre really overrated

[Brokensticks]

As the thread starter, I started this thread to say, "Hey, this guy's got some skills," and "I like their sound," and that I don't think they're a sh*tty band.

Sure beats the hell out of listening to The Killers or Franz Ferdinand IMO...

the killers and franz ferdinand aren't that bad man

[Berk]

He's got skills, but the rest of the band turns me off from listening to them.
I hate the way the guys sings in that song "Bat Country", othere than that its a great song!:thumb:

[chickensandwiches]

Kill this Thread

/thread

[Double Bass Jim]

While Mudvayne is extremely talented. I hate how bands have little to no feeling in their music. You are right though, bands like Mudvayne and Meshuggah (apparently the math metal pioneers:confused: ) are what many consider to be math metal. I can't stand genres, so I call it rock, metal, punk, not emopunkmathcore. Ugh, what happened to good old rock and roll.
Oh man there have been MANY other bands before them playing more technical pieces.

[drumbum562]

Sorry before this thread closes, I have to agree with Mr. Chicken Sandwiches and say that Norma Jean(old not new), and Fear Before The March of Flames. But have you all noticed that old bands are having to get out of the hardcore business, and lighten their stuff up, because of these "Scene" kids, so ya know just sayin

[a1DrummerT]

i like him but im not a metal kind of person but bat country is an awsome song

[chickensandwiches]

actually ive noticed hardcore bands getting harder
putting in somegrind core elements(like March of Flames)

the scene kids you are talkin about is just the radio emo crap-hawthorne heights my chem romance that sort of crap

real hardcore in the underground is very crazy
check out:
the chariot
the number twelve looks like you
the locust
into the moat
the tony danza tapdance extravaganza

im a proud scene kid of the underground experimental

[Josiah]

"the tony danza tapdance extravaganza"

Haha that can't be real... hahaha it just can't!

[chickensandwiches]

im serious thats an actual band with some very wierd guitar melodies
they pretty awesome

[Futuro]

Well, If I want to hear wierd I will listen to King Crimson.

i like him but im not a metal kind of person but bat country is an awsome song God if I hear that song again im driving my car off a cliff.

WIYEIYEIYEOWIYEIYEIYEOWIYEYEY! For 6 minutes? No thanks.

[chickensandwiches]

that song does blow monkey jewels

[Japan3gro]

"the tony danza tapdance extravaganza"

Haha that can't be real... hahaha it just can't!

http://server5.hxcmp3.com/bands/946/index.php