Will Micheal Vick start a new era of quarterbacking?

[6stringslinger]

This is not a thread about how good or bad Vick is but a thread about running quarterbacks

Usually the guys with the fastest acceleration and and the quickest players are played as wide recievers, safety's and defensive backs. Just Imagine if they started taking the fastest overall players and started to develope them into quarterbacks.

Imagine over a period of ten years quarterbacks will start to develope rushing yards of 45-65 yds a game, this will then be standard for quarterbacks in the NFL. The standard would be yards rushed vs yards passing.

The future quarter backs lets say average 50yds a game rushing X 16 games, this will then be figured into thier quarteback ranking. It would be average for any quarterback to have 800yds a year rushing.


Do you see this as a possibility?

[ProSeries]

Possibly. Lot's of teams will pick up on the idea of developing their quarterbacks into runners. It really allows for a variety of different plays. One of the main reasons Vt is doing so well is because of Vick, though he failed us a couple of times. Still, I doubt they can be trained as well as tailbacks. Reggie Bush is probably one of the best, amazing agility and speed.
If they could train a quarterback who could rush as well as Reggie Bush, the game will have an endless amount of possibilities..

[Liberi Fatali]

Fast 100m runners are more typically built with smaller shoulders and massive powerful legs. Fast runners just generally do not suit the QB position. There have been more running QBs as of late, and in the future that trend will probably continue to around half pocket passers, half rushing QBs IMO. But I doubt rushing QBs will out number pocket passers any time soon.

I'd always pick an agile and accurate pocket passer over a less accurate rushing QB like Michael Vick.

[ヴェア ラッセル]

It isn't a new thing. Heck, Steve McNair was doing it a good 4 years or so before Michael Vick came in. Bret Farve was a good rusher in his prime. There might be a new trend of running the qb even more but a running qb isn't new.

It's best to be a qb first and a runner second, you get the qb for passing, if he's a good rusher then it's an extra point.

[ProSeries]

Fast 100m runners are more typically built with smaller shoulders and massive powerful legs. Fast runners just generally do not suit the QB position. There have been more running QBs as of late, and in the future that trend will probably continue to around half pocket passers, half rushing QBs IMO. But I doubt rushing QBs will out number pocket passers any time soon.

I'd always pick an agile and accurate pocket passer over a less accurate rushing QB like Michael Vick.

Let's say though, that next year, he can pass extremely well? It's always a possibility, they'll train him hard at passing. It's not likely that he will lose his speed, and then we have a perfect combination.

[Ugoff]

A few years ago you would have never seen a quartback scramble and run like the quarterbacks do today. I think in the future, we will see more "Vick" type of QB's. I wonder how well Vince Young will do though. He can run but I think he still needs to work a little bit more on his passing. I'd love to see him develop into a great player though.

[Illmatic]

until a scrambling quarterback wins the Super Bowl, I say we hold off on declaring a scrambling invasion.

[ヴェア ラッセル]

Great QB + Great RB > Okay QB that runs + Great RB

[Liberi Fatali]

Let's say though, that next year, he can pass extremely well? It's always a possibility, they'll train him hard at passing. It's not likely that he will lose his speed, and then we have a perfect combination.
It takes a few years to master the West Coast offense, but Vick's had long enough now. Vick is never going to be a great passer, he'll improve, but not that much.

And anyway, he'll slowly get slower as the years pass, he'll always be a good runner, but running will gradually become a smaller part of his game.

[6stringslinger]

Also they(QB's) would be getting injured a lot more.

[Ugoff]

Also they(QB's) would be getting injured a lot more.
Hopefully we won't see QB injuries like the Jets though :p

I believe they are on their 5th QB.

[3074326]

It's possible, but the most dominant QB's in the NFL and college are still pocket passers.

Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Carson Palmer
Matt Leinart, Brady Quinn, Drew Olson

You could throw in a few running QB's in college (notably Vince Young), but he's the only one I'd consider dominant.

[Reaganista]

The question was already asked with reference to Randall Cunningham and the answer was clearly no.

I think the fact that people are asking it again in reference to Vick only serves to prove this.

until a scrambling quarterback wins the Super Bowl, I say we hold off on declaring a scrambling invasion.

I think you're being too strict with your definition of scrambling Quarterback if you don't include Steve Young.

[ProSeries]

It takes a few years to master the West Coast offense, but Vick's had long enough now. Vick is never going to be a great passer, he'll improve, but not that much.

And anyway, he'll slowly get slower as the years pass, he'll always be a good runner, but running will gradually become a smaller part of his game.

Yeah, I hear ya. Well, hopefully he'll become a better passer to take us to the championships.

[Red Stripe]

If it does start a new era, it will also change the way defence is played also, the entire game will change. The defence will have to use more containment plays. There are a good amount of QBs who can scramble though, but many of them aren't usual starters (Bollinger, Mcmahon). I don't know what future Marcus Vick has in football. The game is constantly changing though.

[few_dollars_more]

I beleive rushing QB's will end up being just as frequent as pocket passers, but I don't think they will ever take over and set a standard. And Red Stripe had a very good point in how the whole aspect of football will change if they do, mainly defense.

[Illmatic]

I think you're being too strict with your definition of scrambling Quarterback if you don't include Steve Young.

When Young won a Super Bowl, he was like Elway when Elway won his Super Bowl(s): he could take off and run if he needed to, but he was primarily a pocket passer.

[Reaganista]

Just because he was also a good pocket passer doesn't mean he wasn't also a scrambler. I don't think any quarterback who is only good as a scrambler will manage to win a superbowl, except as a Trent Dilfer on a team that would be just as good without him.

And he ran for 50 yards in the super bowl.

[Hababi]

Even on a team that can win without a dominant quarterback, one who can only run around will never win a superbowl, as proven when the Buc's didn't make it with Shaun King.

There was the whole big thing about mobile quarterbacks...and look at the top quarterbacks in the league. Manning. Brady. Hasselback. Palmer. Classic, pocket throwers. And, that'll always be the case. Sometimes, you get a guy like Roethlisbuger, who is a mobile quarterback but still a passer, not a runner. But never a guy who takes every other snap for a quarterback sweep.

[apple pie]

I do not think so because although mobile they will get hit more often and that will hrt their team's performance as well as finically, you hhave to rmemeber that all the Falcons have is Crumpler.

[Reaganista]

one who can only run around will never win a superbowl

hey man how about a league championship?

Bobby Layne ftw! (championship game win, that is)

edit: and I don't think the Bucs are a particularly good example because Johnson was their best player on offense after he replaced Shaun King.

[DuckinFutch]

Too many injuries...

A running QB will just about always be a scrambler, more in the vain of Reggie Bush then say a power back or a consitent between the holes runner like Edgerin James or Shawn Alexander.

Not many of these types of runners stick around for very long, most of the time not more than 5-10 years. the wear and tear on their more agile and their-in more fragile bodys, particularly legs, doesn't allow them to stay around for a very long time in the NFL.

And it's hard to build a team around someone, and succesfull offensive teams are often built around the QB, if that player won't be around for a very long time. A pocket QB usually has less injuries, and is therefore more sucsessful in the long run.

Nearly all the running QB's who come in to the league either resort to primarily pocket passing or gradually succome to injuries.

So their might be more running QB's, but I bet the Pocket passers will still be known as the dominant, better breed of QB.

However, they might kind of merge, like Vince Young and Marcus Vick (not Micheal) and be both a good passer and a good runner.

Marcus Vick is a good passer and a pretty good runner, I could see him being pretty succesfull....

[Hababi]

hey man how about a league championship?

Bobby Layne ftw! (championship game win, that is)


:lol:



edit: and I don't think the Bucs are a particularly good example because Johnson was their best player on offense after he replaced Shaun King.


Blah now I have to think back, in greater detail...But whenever Johnson's your best player on offense, you have some offensive problems...

Anyway, new comparison: Vick is the NFL's Ralph Sampson.

[Illmatic]

Anyway, new comparison: Vick is the NFL's Ralph Sampson.

I'd like to hear this.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

Not anytime soon

If you where a prez of a team

Would you take Manning or Vick?

[Illmatic]

Vick may sell more jerseys, but fans want to see W's and TD's, so I'll go with Manning.

[XxMasterofPuppetsxX]

Vick may sell more jerseys, but fans want to see W's and TD's, so I'll go with Manning.
Same here