Old Mans Child - Vermin

[Flynn]

I bought Vermin yesterday and can't stop listening to it. If you like epic symphonic black metal, then this album is for you. Featuring drummer Reno Killerich, and an appearance by Eric Peterson. This is leaning towards my favorite album of 2005. Superb songwriting by Galder, both musically and lyrically. It's not the longest album, but the shortness of this album is far from any con pending on Vermin. This album cuts to the chase, no BS, nice leads, great drums and rythm and an original concept make this album a must buy for any OMC fan. This thread is specifically for this album. Discuss.

[superpeer]

I've only heard the song you can download from their site, I like it. I also loved in defiance of existence, how does it compare to that?

[Flynn]

Vermin seems to be more developed as opposed to In Defiance Of Existence, in every way IMO. The songwriting is basically even, but guitars, vocals and drums seem to have evolved. I love In Defiance Of Existence, don't get me wrong. I like the way Vermin turned out better.

[superpeer]

Man, I loved nick barker's drums, so I don't think they'll top that. But I'm planning to pick this up, whenever I see it at a decent price.

[Forlorn Hope]

Awesome, i didnt know they had a new album out. Ive been getting into them lately and i have In Defience of Existence. Great album. So do we get any uploads from the new album? :D

[Flynn]

I only paid 14.99 for it. I had a coupon at FYE, and used it when I purchased Vermin. Yes, Barker is ingodly on drums, I love his talent. Reno is up there, trust me. This album is really good.

[Flynn]

Awesome, i didnt know they had a new album out. Ive been getting into them lately and i have In Defience of Existence. Great album. So do we get any uploads from the new album? :D


I'll YSI you the entire album if you would like. You should buy it though, the album art in the booklet is awesome.

[superpeer]

I only paid 14.99 for it. I had a coupon at FYE, and used it when I purchased Vermin. Yes, Barker is ingodly on drums, I love his talent. Reno is up there, trust me. This album is really good.

14.99 what?


EDIT: Since your location says you live in Iowa, I'm gonna assume dollars. :p An alright price for a new album, I suppose. I too would like to hear some good songs from the album, I don't like downloading an entire album though. :(

[Flynn]

14.99 what?


EDIT: Since your location says you live in Iowa, I'm gonna assume dollars. :p


haha yea, 15 bucks is what I paid. It's the best 15 I've ever spent. :chug:

[superpeer]

*refers you to second edit*

Could you send me a couple of tracks, please? Just a few, not Enslaved and Condemned, I have that one.

duivel@gmail.com

If it's not too much trouble. :)

[Flynn]

*refers you to second edit*

Could you send me a couple of tracks, please? Just a few, not Enslaved and Condemned, I have that one.

duivel@gmail.com

If it's not too much trouble. :)


Sure thing. Give me a few mimutes while I rip it to my Library.

[Aakon_Keetreh]

want to send me the strong tracks too

destined_for_destruction@hotmail.com

[superpeer]

Sure thing. Give me a few mimutes while I rip it to my Library.

Thanks!

/goes to watch TV. <-<


I'd rep you, but I can't get it to work. :(

[Flynn]

It's all good. :thumb: I'm having some trouble with YSI, give me a few.

[King_Of_Terrors]

This is a great band, I listen to them alot.

[Flynn]

*refers you to second edit*

Could you send me a couple of tracks, please?


I mailed you War of Fidelity, Black Marvels of Death and my favorite thrack on the album, The Flames of Deceit. Enjoy!


want to send me the strong tracks too

destined_for_destruction@hotmail.com


Sure, I'm on it.

[Aakon_Keetreh]

thanks ! :)

[Malekith2005]

I didn't know they had a new album out,until I saw it in HMV. It didn't sit on the shelf long,believe me!
As soon as the clean riff starts on "Enslaved...",you just know what's coming just around the corner. Galder has never been one for long albums,but at least this means you won't be bored!
The first OMC album I bought was "Revelation 666...",and it's still my fave,but this new CD is growing on me at a very fast rate:thumb:
Like them or loathe them,OMC are black metal with "groove" and I can't think of a much better mix than that! (unless,of course,you're too hung up on what's "true" BM or not):smash:

[Flynn]

Yeah it's awesome. Superpeer, what do you think of it?

[I'm Charming]

I don't care if albums are super long,

Quality> quantity

Vermin is a excellent album and so is in defience of existence.
I love the clean riffs and then plain heavy following.
Galder seems to always write some really good sounding guitar work.
I've not had a chance to read the lyrics yet.

[Det_Nosnip]

Heh...actually, Barker is a pretty terrible drummer. I can't stand him, personally. Dimmu might actually be a half-listenable band now that they booted his trigger whoring, feel-less ***.

[Kronos]

Heh...actually, Barker is a pretty terrible drummer. I can't stand him, personally. Dimmu might actually be a half-listenable band now that they booted his trigger whoring, feel-less ***.


Oooh, feel the hate....

I don't know why you come down on him so bad Ted - you seem like a nice, even tempered guy nearly all the time ....until Nick Barker comes up.

Are you his estranged love child and he never sends any maintenance money or birthday cards?

Seriously tho', I don't think he's bad at all; he has amazing footspeed too.

I'd love to know why you dislike him so much

I have Pagan Prosperity, Ill Natured Spiritual Invasion, Revalation 666 and Vermin - love them all. I mentioned this in the BM thread and was swamped by an avalanche of hate. OMC are not popular in some BM circles I discovered...

My first and last foray onto that thread. Glad some other folk around here appreciate what I think is good music, even if it isn't "Tr00" or "Kvlt" enough for some. An Iron Maiden fan accused Galder of "selling out" - funny that, coming from a fan of one of the most commercial HM bands on the planet.

[BoboTheRagingHobo]

My first and last foray onto that thread. Glad some other folk around here appreciate what I think is good music, even if it isn't "Tr00" or "Kvlt" enough for some. An Iron Maiden fan accused Galder of "selling out" - funny that, coming from a fan of one of the most commercial HM bands on the planet.


Not funny at all.

As OMC is supposed to be part of black metal correct? Selling any high amount of albums is shunned in the black metal community as it is more about being "kvlt" moreso then any thing.

So producing black metal and making a decent amount of money off of it goes against the whole idea of black metal in general, which is why he did indeed sell out. And to be making some what commerical sounding metal with OMC and Dimmu Borgir makes that matter even worse actually.

[Kronos]

Well it might make things worse from their "kvlt" status point of view, but it doesn't make the music crap.

Have BM bands got an agreement on how many albums they're allowed to sell without getting hated?

By that logic, the band who have sold the least must be the best there is.
Hell, why bother to sell any at all?

I don't personally grudge anyone making money out of something they do well - it's everyone's right to earn a living.

If bands like DM and OMC make music that more people like then fair play to them.

There's some very sour grapes in BM land.

[I'm Charming]

I don't see it as good or bad if you sell alot of albums.
I look at "selling out" as, comprimising your music to appeal to more people and make more money. If you strip away what your music is about and is... Then throw something together to gain a larger fan base, thus more money. You sold out.

I agree with Bobo somewhat. The guitar work in OMC and Dimmu has become more mainstream. Keep in mind with Dimmu, they went in a completly different direction from where they started. Black metal to symphonic.
I like OMC and Dimmu but the guitar work has gotten much less intense and is finding it's way towards mainstream.

[BoboTheRagingHobo]

Well it might make things worse from their "kvlt" status point of view, but it doesn't make the music crap.

Never said the music was bad, I was just pointing out a reason to why they are not liked.

Have BM bands got an agreement on how many albums they're allowed to sell without getting hated?

Alot of black metal bands limit the amount of albums that are produced, some times only a 1000 and some times even less.

By that logic, the band who have sold the least must be the best there is.
Hell, why bother to sell any at all?

How many albums you sell does not matter in the fact if you are good or not, whether it be less or more. If you are less known it just shows that the band has stayed true to what black metal is about.

I don't personally grudge anyone making money out of something they do well - it's everyone's right to earn a living.

Nor do I. But you obviously don't get the black metal culture.

If bands like DM and OMC make music that more people like then fair play to them.

I see no problem with this. But when you are or were associated with black metal at one time or another and then become some what successful you will be shunned. Black metal is not about making music to be liked by the masses and to make money off the music, it is used to spread an idea and for some people a life style. And these ideas and life styles are more important then money to the people who are heavily into the black metal culture and scene. And the bands that stay true to this effect are what draws these fans to them and what drives them away from bands like DB and OMC.

There's some very sour grapes in BM land.

No, just people who actually stick to their ideas with out giving up on them easily.

And bands like DB and OMC have been associated with black metal for quite some time and they have both abandoned these ideas for an easier to listen style of metal, which is in the eyes of black metal fans a big case of selling out.

Also DB changing lyrics in their re-release of Stormblast to be less offensive is a sign of selling out that is for sure.

And for the metal community, these bands are huge and mainstream even if the average little high school kid doesn't know of them.

[Kronos]

Thanks for putting me straight in that score. More than I got from the BM thread.....

I kinda get the hate stuff more now, but music has always been my criterion, not lifestyle so I found it hard to fathom.

[BoboTheRagingHobo]

Glad you understand it more.

[I'm Charming]

I thought the lyrics on StormBlast were not even in english. I have all of DB and OMC cds. I enjoy both bands.

Changing the lyrics to be less offensive?
I doubt people listening to DB want "holy lyrics". That is outright selling out.

[Werny]

I see not sticking to black metal as a good thing, definitely, because it's ridiculous to restrict yourself to the traditions of a genre.

It's not like they're going to go "oh wait... aren't we selling a tad 'too' much albums? Better stop production, we want to remain tr00 and kVlt".

These guys sound wicked, I'll go download a song.

[superpeer]

Heh...actually, Barker is a pretty terrible drummer. I can't stand him, personally. Dimmu might actually be a half-listenable band now that they booted his trigger whoring, feel-less ***.

Pfft, he's awesome. :p

I'm still trying to get into the new songs.


EDIT; Yeah, Dimmu borgir sold out, the lyric altering is awful and the millions of T-shirts, for shame. Can't really judge OMC though, they are not very popular here, I don't know anyone who likes/knows them and their CDs are pretty hard to find.

[The Cynic]

Hey Flynn, would you mind reccomending some songs from the album?

[I'm Charming]

Pfft, he's awesome. :p

I'm still trying to get into the new songs.


EDIT; Yeah, Dimmu borgir sold out, the lyric altering is awful and the millions of T-shirts, for shame. Can't really judge OMC though, they are not very popular here, I don't know anyone who likes/knows them and their CDs are pretty hard to find.

I have a DB t shirt, actually two. :p I'm part of the "problem" if you will.

[ICB]

Vermin seems to be more developed as opposed to In Defiance Of Existence, in every way IMO. The songwriting is basically even, but guitars, vocals and drums seem to have evolved. I love In Defiance Of Existence, don't get me wrong. I like the way Vermin turned out better.

Man, OMC develops more after EVERY album. I have yet to pick up Vermin :upset: I saw it at FYE though...but bought another CD instead...$16.99 :(

[I'm Charming]

Man, OMC develops more after EVERY album. I have yet to pick up Vermin :upset: I saw it at FYE though...but bought another CD instead...$16.99 :(

16 bucks for a cd is a rip off.

I'm never going to buy another cd in my life. It's pathetic that the RIAA can gouge prices like they do. Bands don't get that much, it all goes to the mogels at the top.

[94_Hours]

I also just bought this CD, and I absolutely love it. Galder did a really nice job with this one. Great production quality, cover art, and musician quality, like most Century Media releases.

[Flynn]

Hey Flynn, would you mind reccomending some songs from the album?


In Torments Orbit, The Flames Of Deceit and Black Marvels Of Death are great, I like the whole album though. :chug:

Man, OMC develops more after EVERY album. I have yet to pick up Vermin :upset: I saw it at FYE though...but bought another CD instead...$16.99 :(


Get it. It's worth it. I like the album art and the concept in the booklet.

[Det_Nosnip]

Hmm....I don't really have anything against the so-called "commercial" black metal or whatever you guys are arguing about, but listening to this album, I have to admit to being bored to tears. I don't really see what you guys see in it, sorry. :(

[Kronos]

Well at least Nick Barker's not drumming, eh Ted?

[ICB]

Hmm....I don't really have anything against the so-called "commercial" black metal or whatever you guys are arguing about


I don't see what's so damn commercial about Old Man's child, really.

[Flynn]

I don't see what's so damn commercial about Old Man's child, really.


Me neither. The only way I can see that possible is if one has known a member or the band in real life and has had the opportunity to listen to them develop before they were even thought about getting signed, and in this case, I highly doubt he knows them in real life. He probably dislikes their music and that's the first thing that came to mind. Oh well, I love it, that's all that matters to me. :chug:

[Forlorn Hope]

I'll YSI you the entire album if you would like. You should buy it though, the album art in the booklet is awesome.
thanks...my email is three_over_one@msn.com i could buy it, but i have no money (spent all on guitar) and theres nowhere around here that would carry it.