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Afrokid
12-09-2005, 06:22 PM
Take your picks. Texas vs. USC

Texas

Pros:
- Vince Young
- Near endless depth at RB
- great offensive and defensive lines
- great D-Backs


Cons:
- Vince Young isn't a very polished passer
- defense hasn't been tested on such an explosive runner like r. bush


USC

Pros:
- Leinart is a battle tested pocket QB
- Isn't this their third rose bowl appearance in like the last three years?
- R. Bush is currently the best running back in the nation
- White is by far the best #2 back, and it allows USC to split carries

Cons:
- Defense hasn't been that great
- mediocore db wich young could take seriouse advantage of
- Only a few bright spots on the team (leinart, bush, white) but rest of team lacks that all star feel

Illmatic
12-09-2005, 06:31 PM
USC can score on just about anyone

Texas might have OU syndrome (ie, overrated by beating up the inherently overrated Big XII)

USC's got a monster offensive line and more talent at the offensive skill positions (Leinart, Bush, White, Jarrett, Smith? Daaamn) than anyone in the nation.

Rats!
12-09-2005, 06:36 PM
who the **** cares if the usc defense sucks when they can score 50 points a game
they have white, reggie, bush, and lendale, and leinart. usc is going to win

moosepirate
12-09-2005, 07:18 PM
USC

Pros:
-- White is by far the best #2 back, and it allows USC to split carries



No he isn't. I'm betting Deangelo Williams and Laurence Maroney will be taken before him.

Kurtz
12-09-2005, 07:30 PM
USC, definitely.

How many great teams has Texas played this season?

GiB
12-09-2005, 07:43 PM
My Longhorns will go all the way.
I guarantee it.

\m/Longhorns\m/

3074326
12-09-2005, 10:40 PM
Texas's defense has more to worry about than USC's defense.

That = USC victory

SurfOrDie16
12-10-2005, 12:21 AM
I think USC will win, unless Texas can keep USC's offense off the field, then Texas has them done in, but easier said than done.

3074326
12-10-2005, 12:34 AM
I think USC's offense will keep themselves off the field. Much like the Colts in the NFL. They score fast, and I don't see them having any trouble doing that against Texas.

humbucking fool
12-10-2005, 01:36 AM
No he isn't. I'm betting Deangelo Williams and Laurence Maroney will be taken before him.

I think he was saying that White is the best backup in the country. That's not even an argument...he's right, it's not close.

Williams was below expectations this year and Maroney is only about the same talent as White. Those 2 will go close to each other but Williams will be the 4th back taken for sure. An unspectacular year in a crappy program? And you think a guy at a revered program who's a GREAT back like White will go behind him? After playing in a pro-style offense? No way.

few_dollars_more
12-10-2005, 08:02 PM
USC easily. This is the same exact situation as last year when everyone thought OU had the advantage overall (ie. better defense) and the USC rampaged 55-19 all over them. Texas will do good, or even be beating up on USC in the first half(As usual). But USC will just take it from there and search and destroy.

moosepirate
12-10-2005, 08:11 PM
I think he was saying that White is the best backup in the country. That's not even an argument...he's right, it's not close.

Williams was below expectations this year and Maroney is only about the same talent as White. Those 2 will go close to each other but Williams will be the 4th back taken for sure. An unspectacular year in a crappy program? And you think a guy at a revered program who's a GREAT back like White will go behind him? After playing in a pro-style offense? No way.


Yeah, I thought he might mean that, but thats a bad argument because not every program relies on two backs. Some use 1 or 3 or more. Just say that Lendale is good.
To be honest, I haven't watched either of those backs extensively, but if I'm a scout I'd rather take guys that are making an influence at a bad program, than people who are surrounded by talent. White is probably the 3rd or 4th priority of opposing defenses. And I wouldn't think that a pro-style offense helps RB's that much.

All of the OU comparisons regarding Texas' chances need to consider that Jason White isn't playing at QB.

few_dollars_more
12-10-2005, 08:17 PM
All of the OU comparisons regarding Texas' chances need to consider that Jason White isn't playing at QB.

I never really thought Jason White was THAT good. Don't get me wrong, he's a great QB, but with all the weapons that team had, on offense and defense. He could of easily been much better. And Texas has Vince Young dude. He's better than Jason White specifically cause of his legs. Arm ability Jason was better.

moosepirate
12-10-2005, 08:26 PM
^^^^ I'm saying that Texas will fare better because White is not the QB

few_dollars_more
12-10-2005, 08:29 PM
oh okay, I got ya

robo2448
12-10-2005, 08:35 PM
I've been a Texas fan my whole life so I gotta support them. I think they can beat USC but I'm not very confident they will and have a bad feeling that we'll lose.

pikester
12-10-2005, 10:23 PM
Here's a helpful hint: Don't bet against USC.

GiB
12-10-2005, 10:30 PM
Here's a helpful hint: Don't bet against USC.
Texas is going to win.

I just did.

Ugoff
12-11-2005, 08:31 AM
If Texas is somehow able to stop Reggie Bush, then they have the national championship wraped up considering USC's lousy defence. I'm going to UT though, go longhorns \m/

thewalrus81
12-11-2005, 01:07 PM
Here's a helpful hint: Don't bet against USC.

too late. besides, OU had a great defense, yes, but it was just like 7 guys on their first team d. texas has a 11-man wrecking crew for their first team plus more depth than any team in the nation. we have like 7 linemen that we can rotate in and out all game, giving us fresh players to stuff the run. theres only two defenses in the nation that have a chance to stop USC: Texas and Ohio State, and we beat the latter so i think we have a good chance at USC

DuckinFutch
12-11-2005, 01:52 PM
Alright, there's really only 4 big conferences in the nation : Pac-10, Big 10, ACC and SEC. The big 12, outside of Texas, and most years, OU, is pathetic compared to many of the big time conferences...

Texas did good by beating up on crappy teams... USC, most weeks, had to play a real contender, someone who actually had a chance to beat them. Texas only had that about 2 or 3 times.

I think USC will roll pretty easily... USC's defense shows up sometimes, and I think Pete Carrol will be more than ready with some nice surprises for Young...

Just my 2 cents.

few_dollars_more
12-11-2005, 03:40 PM
If Texas is somehow able to stop Reggie Bush, then they have the national championship wraped up considering USC's lousy defence. I'm going to UT though, go longhorns \m/

Are you dumb? Whats up with all you longhorn fans saying once you stop Reggie(Which is all near impossible), that you win? Are you forgetting a little man by the name of Matt Leinart. I beleive he won the Heisman last year, but I may be wrong. They also have one of the top 3 WR in Darrel. And you can pretty much have no defense on the field if you can score 50+ in each game.

3074326
12-11-2005, 06:16 PM
Even if USC didn't have Reggie Bush, they'd still have one of the best offenses in the country. Texas is definitely going to have their hands full with every skill player on that offense, along with a great offensive line.

moosepirate
12-13-2005, 07:32 PM
Alright, there's really only 4 big conferences in the nation : Pac-10, Big 10, ACC and SEC. The big 12, outside of Texas, and most years, OU, is pathetic compared to many of the big time conferences...

Texas did good by beating up on crappy teams... USC, most weeks, had to play a real contender, someone who actually had a chance to beat them. Texas only had that about 2 or 3 times.


Historically, the Big 12 has been much better than the Pac-10, and is also currently just as good.
The SEC is by far the best, although the ACC has more parity and depth. The Big East is a victim of defection.
The reason USC had close games was their sluggish starts.

theres only two defenses in the nation that have a chance to stop USC: Texas and Ohio State, and we beat the latter so i think we have a good chance at USC

There isn't any reason to indicate that those defenses are stronger than Miami, Alabama, Va Tech.
And Texas' defense beat OSU's offense, which hardly compares then or now to USC.

few_dollars_more
12-13-2005, 09:04 PM
Historically, the Big 12 has been much better than the Pac-10, and is also currently just as good.
The SEC is by far the best, although the ACC has more parity and depth. The Big East is a victim of defection.
The reason USC had close games was their sluggish starts.


Bug 12 better than Pac-10!!!!! Dude, are you kidding me!? This is just like last year. The Big-12 is soooo overrated its not even funny. Just like last year when everyone thought that OU had played hard enough opponents, then they came and found out that they hadn't seen anything in the Big-12 that even came close to USC.

moosepirate
12-13-2005, 10:07 PM
Bug 12 better than Pac-10!!!!! Dude, are you kidding me!? This is just like last year. The Big-12 is soooo overrated its not even funny. Just like last year when everyone thought that OU had played hard enough opponents, then they came and found out that they hadn't seen anything in the Big-12 that even came close to USC.


I'm saying that the Big 12 has been better in the past and is at least equal to the Pac-10 this year, to clarify.
Each has two powers, USC and Texas, and then each have three decent teams a piece in Oregon UCLA and Cal, Texas Tech Oklahoma and Nebraska
The rest of the teams aren't very impressive
Last year (and the year before vs. LSU) Jason White choked. The team could've played much better under a competent QB.

ProSeries
12-13-2005, 11:08 PM
They both have great football teams. I chose USC though, Reggie Bush is playing phenomenaly. He's been pretty consistent, and after watching the UCLA vs USC game where he owned them...

poiuy trewq
12-17-2005, 12:41 AM
I dont think Smith can be stopped so i think USC will win.

Alright, there's really only 4 big conferences in the nation : Pac-10, Big 10, ACC and SEC. The big 12, outside of Texas, and most years, OU, is pathetic compared to many of the big time conferences...

Texas did good by beating up on crappy teams... USC, most weeks, had to play a real contender, someone who actually had a chance to beat them. Texas only had that about 2 or 3 times.

I think USC will roll pretty easily... USC's defense shows up sometimes, and I think Pete Carrol will be more than ready with some nice surprises for Young...

Just my 2 cents.

I don't see how you could say the Big 12 isn't as good as the other conferences. This year they aren't as good but overall I think the SEC is the only conference that is better.

Last year OU obviously wasn't as good as USC but Texas won the Rose Bowl and Texas Tech were over 20 point underdogs and beat Cal, who a lot of people thought deserved to go to the Rose bowl instead of Texas.

USC looks like the best team in the country to me but they really only had 3 hard games this year--Notre Dame, Oregon, and Fresno St. I think UCLA is overrated this year.

Illmatic
12-17-2005, 02:08 PM
Speaking of overrated, let's see Texas Tech schedule OOC opponents tougher than Sam Houston State, Indiana State, and Florida International and then I'll respect them.

Endless Obsession
12-18-2005, 10:19 AM
I think Texas will win. They have a much better defense, and it has been proven time and time again that defense wins championships. USC barely beat any quality teams. Notre Dame is the most overrated team in all of sports practicaly. They beat 2 teams with winning records this year. Texas beat OSU, one of the best teams in the nation.

Brewer14
12-18-2005, 12:45 PM
USC

I can't wait to see Bush in a Texans uni

3074326
12-19-2005, 10:05 PM
Too bad the Niners will get him.