any reason to not uyse coated snare reso?

[dpakman91]

i have a mapex pro M. up until yesterday, i had only the stock remo heads on the kit.

yesterday, i put on my new coated ambassadors for the tom batters and a coated reverse dot head for the snare batter.

i couldn't get it sounding quite the way i wanted with the stock clear reso heads, a little too much ring and the snare didn't sound quite the way i wanted, so i decided to try putting my previous snare batter on as the snare reso, and everything sounds much more the way i like it. less ring, and snare isn't outrageously loud, now it's just "very loud."

any thoughts/

[milkmit]

yeah I've asked the same thing in the past, and was pretty much told not to do that. my concern was to remove some of the obnoxiously loud CRACK, so that there's some more open tone...and I figured that a coated reso head would be less sensitive, and thus would react differently with the snare wires. I never tried it, but was told that fewer snare wires would do what I wanted.

I might have to give it a shot when I next replace my snareside head.

[GooseFilms.net]

so i decided to try putting my previous snare batter on as the snare reso
You've completely killed your snare resonance. Ask just about anybody, snare resos are always very thin, if not the thinnest head on your set (diplomats are a good example of this). It might sound good to you, but my guess is the snare sounds horrible

[dpakman91]

yeah I've asked the same thing in the past, and was pretty much told not to do that. my concern was to remove some of the obnoxiously loud CRACK, so that there's some more open tone...and I figured that a coated reso head would be less sensitive, and thus would react differently with the snare wires. I never tried it, but was told that fewer snare wires would do what I wanted.

I might have to give it a shot when I next replace my snareside head.

yeah reducing the "crack" is exactly what i was shooting for

[Caleb3221]

You should reduce the crack with tuning rather than a coated head, I think. Mabye change snare wires, or something. But it seems to me that having a thicker coated head would just sound bad.

Then again, if it works for you, go for it. But, from your description, it sounds liek it will sound good to you from behind the kit, but not to anyone else, especially with a band. And even by yourself, it may sound shallow and empty.

[red n black]

Well, if you get the sound you want, then who can say you're wrong.

I don't think I would like the sound, although I haven't tried. I have seen coated SS heads before, but I've always thought they were thin too, just coated.

[dpakman91]

well here's my problem...i was having trouble tuning it with the coated batter and clear reso...just insane ringing and horrible sounding, with a loud metallic "buzz" when i hit any tom.

so, i took the batter off altogether, and tried to tune JUST the reso to a point htat would go absolutely nuts when i hit a tom, and it just wasn't possible, so then i went to this. i dunno.

[dumbassdrummer]

A coated head would probably reduce the sensitivity a great deal as well.

[Drum Monkey]

You've completely killed your snare resonance. Ask just about anybody, snare resos are always very thin, if not the thinnest head on your set (diplomats are a good example of this). It might sound good to you, but my guess is the snare sounds horrible

+ rep! But I can't give any :upset: :lol:

True though snare resos are always thin :thumb:

Who would want to kill their snare resonance? :confused:

-DM

[dpakman91]

i just put back on the thin clear reso, and somehow, i was able to finally find a frequency where the snare itself sounds good, and the toms don't create a 10 second long buzz.

we'll see if it stays as the heads break in.

[milkmit]

people like different sounds. I, for one, hate the obnoxiously loud CRACK most rock snares have, and prefer a good balance of tone and crack. but then again, my tastes change hourly... sometimes I love the sound of the snare with the strainer down and the batter right, where you just hear the nice full 'BOINK" sound....and other times I like the really tight BWANK sound, which seems to me has a lot of crack (but not just the CHHK type).

but the rest of you aren't 11-month(ish) noobs like myself.. they've got a point about not killing the resonance of the snare -- it's already so much more shallow than the rest of the kit, so I guess you'd want to be cautious about taking even more of it away.

maybe try cutting a couple wires if you don't like the crack. it won't remove the metallic ring (lots of tuning usually fixes this for me!), but maybe it will help a bit?

[l3n]

Maybe get a standard thickness clear reso like a G1 instead of a 300? It might help but will sacrifice less ring.

[GooseFilms.net]

ill admit that different people like different sounds, but if you love it when your snare sounds like the shart of satan, you can bet that your audience will pick up on how horrible your snare sounds, even if you don't. A snare batter as a snare reso is crossing the line between personal preference and ignorance.

I'm sure it kills the sensitivity as well.

[The Ska Man]

people like different sounds. I, for one, hate the obnoxiously loud CRACK most rock snares have, and prefer a good balance of tone and crack.


As do I.

[Half Life]

I agree with Goose. I don't necessarily think it automatically sounds completely horrible(although I might change my mind if I actually heard it)but the sensitivity must be under a strangle hold at this point. It has to be tuning all together man. I have the same kit, with the same size snare, and I use an Evans Hazy 200 snareside reso(about as thin as it gets)and my snare isn't intruding or unpleasant in anyway like yours has been too you. It's all in the tuning.

[Futuro]

I look at playing my set different I guess :-/ I dont listen to what I play, I feel what I play. I love the sound of cheap drums that go PRONG. The loud obnoxious ring of a cheap steel shell. The heavy snare buzz the floor tom produces <3 <Sigh> Makes it feel like home when nothing is perfect :)

[playwithfire]

I'm surprised I haven't posted in this thread. To whoever said it, snare resonants *are* the thinnest head on the kit. Even a diplomat is only 7milspec, while a snareside Amb is 3.

The reason you want crack is to project. I can understand why you would want to silence your drums, take away from attack and volume, if you're just playing in your home. To do this, I would recommend tuning it in a way that achieves what you want, and using some damping, an o-ring in particular, because it doesn't leave grease on your drum like Moon Gel, and is easily removable. It will muffle your drum, and not limit your playing. You should learn how to tune to achieve specific sounds, not achieve specific sounds due to a stupid selection of heads. If you want a box and take the lazy mans way out, use a Diplomat (regular Diplomat, not snareside), and a coated Emperor X batter. I would never want to hear you play, but you'll get a more lifeless, recorded sound out of your drum. You won't hear it if you play with a band though.

[Double Bass Jim]

You gotta look at it from a wide perspective.

Do you want a one tone drum that produces flappy dead tones no matter how you play? Or would you want a drum that responds to feather light touches AND big powerful strokes. Using a proper head combo like the amb over amb (snare side) can allow for this.

You want to have freedom of expression in the instrument, that means allowing for dynamics and tones to come through. Don't kill your drums let them speak!

[aznriceball]

what u think sounds good sounds like poopoo from 20ft away

[playwithfire]

Not necessarily, but often, that is the case.

[dpakman91]

i went back to the regular clear reso head like i said, and somehow i finally found a tuning i like, with no muffling on the toms of snare, and very little ring, so i will stick with it for now and see how it goes.

[rockindrummer]

If you get someone to play your snare while you stand a little ways a way from it, you will probally dislike the sound. Snareside heads a made for a purpose, to create a nice open tone out of the drum.

[Caleb3221]

You had a complaint about sympathetic vibrations, and this is solved through tuning. They will always be there to an extent, and you may actually come to like them somewhat. But, you reduce them by making sure your snare is not tuned too close to any of your toms.

And the ring too can be sort of solved through tuning. The ring is good, but you need to tune the heads together so the ring sounds good and isn't obnoxious. And then you just have to learn how to hit it to get the tone you want.

Once again, you can use a coated reso if you really want, but the probelms you describe are ones many people have, and they usually grow out of, by either realizing that they need the projection deciding that it sounds better to have drums open, or by learning to tune well.