View Full Version : Drum School Contract.....hmmm.
DrummerDave96
12-08-2005, 09:56 PM
Yeah I found this little music music store, and I asked if they were hiring drum instuctors, and they said yes. However, I began filling out their application, and realized it was a contract. It stated that for 10 years after quiting their business, I couldn't be a part of any drum related business, or teach any lessons to anybody or they'll lawsuit my butt off. 10 long years!!!!From I tiny little music shop.
And.....I'm only 16......so it could definetly mess up my future a little.....
what do you guys think?
Brokensticks
12-08-2005, 10:00 PM
Thats bull *** don't do it. Unless you are planning on staying there for a long time.
Edit -Sorry I thought it meant from the day you started working for 10 years for example if you worked for 8 years and quit you couldn't do anything for 2 years. Now that I look at it again thats bull **** don't do it
Permanent Solution
12-08-2005, 10:02 PM
For 10 years after quitting?
No way man. Unless you plan on working there your whole life you're closing too many doors doing that.
DrummerDave96
12-08-2005, 10:05 PM
yeah...I think it's kind of ridiculous for a 30 Square ft. music shop.
I was just looking for some quick cash. Heck I'm only 16.. and they want me for life.
Brokensticks
12-08-2005, 10:10 PM
The bastards :lol:
rockindrummer
12-08-2005, 10:20 PM
Screw that man. That is definitly not worth it, look for a job else where.
dumbassdrummer
12-08-2005, 10:35 PM
Ask them about it.
Ask them to make sure ytou are reading that correctly, and if so, tell them you want to do it, but you're not willing to sign a contract with that sort of clause.
Brokensticks
12-08-2005, 10:36 PM
Yah, negotiate with them and tell them how stupid that is.
Josiah
12-08-2005, 11:13 PM
Yeah I found this little music music store, and I asked if they were hiring drum instuctors, and they said yes. However, I began filling out their application, and realized it was a contract. It stated that for 10 years after quiting their business, I couldn't be a part of any drum related business, or teach any lessons to anybody or they'll lawsuit my butt off. 10 long years!!!!From I tiny little music shop.
And.....I'm only 16......so it could definetly mess up my future a little.....
what do you guys think?
It doesn't matter. You are 16, in the United States your signature has no legal status on anything you sign. You can not enter into any legally binding contract(civil) under the age of 18 on your own accord.
The contract is thus null and void.
Not to mention, you'd have to be a complete fool to sign your name to such a thing.
Brokensticks
12-08-2005, 11:19 PM
Once again Josiah has the most info. How does he know everything its scary.
Josiah
12-08-2005, 11:20 PM
One of my majors is Business Intel., wich requires taking a few law classes.
Brokensticks
12-08-2005, 11:23 PM
I see, you seem like a all around smart guy, who plays drums do you are supercool you are my idol.
Josiah
12-08-2005, 11:24 PM
HAha why thank you..
As a reward for your kindness I give you this...
:)
Double Bass Jim
12-08-2005, 11:27 PM
:lol: :lol:
Ahh man thats good
Brokensticks
12-08-2005, 11:28 PM
Thank-you so much I shall cherish it for as long as I live.
GooseFilms.net
12-08-2005, 11:39 PM
I would ask them if they were serious. If they said yes, I would remind them that I'm ****in 16 years old. And then I'd kind of give them that puzzled stare that says "I'm sorry. You must lack the proper chromosomes."
Brokensticks
12-08-2005, 11:42 PM
I would ask them if they were serious. If they said yes, I would remind them that I'm ****in 16 years old. And then I'd kind of give them that puzzled stare that says "I'm sorry. You must lack the proper chromosomes."
After that hit them with something like this :smash:
rohbit
12-09-2005, 12:49 AM
I see, you seem like a all around smart guy, who plays drums do you are supercool you are my idol.
Ahhh, yet another worshiper.
I swear Jos, you've gained such a reputation on here that if you decided to start feeding us all bullsh*t, I don't think anyone would notice.
Hmm.... that'd be pretty freakin hilarious.
Josiah
12-09-2005, 01:19 AM
Ahhh, and how do you know I haven't been?
Corkofski
12-09-2005, 02:23 AM
its a CONSPIRACY!!!
Jo, when did you go over 10k?? i missed it!
we must have cake!!
http://www.perfect-petals.co.uk/Old%20Fashioned%20Peach%20Rose%20Cake.jpg
What's most shocking of all is that a fellow musician would come up with such a contract and actually attempt to have people sign it.
That's about as sad as you can get. I'd start there, is that really the kind of person you want to work for?
DruMMeR_BoY14
12-09-2005, 03:35 AM
One of my majors is Business Intel., wich requires taking a few law classes.
Thats liek highschool law but anyway, people put all sorts of BS in contracts. Either ask to have it removed and throughly read over it before signing it or look somewhere else.
Josiah
12-09-2005, 04:12 AM
Thats liek highschool law but anyway, people put all sorts of BS in contracts. Either ask to have it removed and throughly read over it before signing it or look somewhere else.
Excuse me? You have no clue what you are talking about. The blatentness of your stupidity is shocking.
How many univeristy level business law classes have you attended again?
That's what I thought.
Double Bass Jim
12-09-2005, 04:16 AM
Highschool law? They teach law in highschool now...?
DruMMeR_BoY14
12-09-2005, 05:10 AM
Excuse me? You have no clue what you are talking about. The blatentness of your stupidity is shocking.
How many univeristy level business law classes have you attended again?
That's what I thought.
none, but unless my teacher fed me total crap I do know that parties try and exclude liabilty for damage etc... in almost anyway poissible. This isn't exactly the same thing, but I do know that contracts can be shady, like in this example.
So I apolagise my ignorance.
PrinceOfDarkness
12-09-2005, 06:15 AM
To be honest, I very much doubt the contract will be legally binding, but to save any hassle just don't sign it. I feel they may be trying to take advantage of young musicians
Once again Josiah has the most info. How does he know everything its scary.
ever heard of the Internet?
PrinceOfDarkness
12-09-2005, 07:29 AM
You're on it. :lol:
am I? :thumb:
sam'drummerboi'ellis
12-09-2005, 09:42 AM
after quitting... hm... well if you did sign it and got fed up you could just get yourself fired/sacked. that way you wouldn't quit..! dont sign it, its such a con!
I would negotiate , but it would depend upon how badly they would need a
teacher. If they were desperetly looking for one , thy would maybe change the contract , if they arn't , well then i have no clue
Josiah
12-09-2005, 12:31 PM
It's amazing I swear... You guys simply don't get it.
There is no contract. You can not make a legally binding civil contract with someone under 18 in the United States.
End of disscussion.
PdoubleE
12-09-2005, 02:34 PM
It doesn't matter. You are 16, in the United States your signature has no legal status on anything you sign. You can not enter into any legally binding contract(civil) under the age of 18 on your own accord.
The contract is thus null and void.
Not to mention, you'd have to be a complete fool to sign your name to such a thing.
Yeah ... i got an appartment when i was 17 and they tried sueing me for garbage i left in the kitchen when i moved... they couldnt do anything cause i wasnt of legal age. One good thing about america is that you have no responsibilities untill your 18!!
eirlisdrumer
12-09-2005, 05:08 PM
do it anyway sign it and if you get fired or quit then you have no bind to them according to what josiah said, as in you can do what you want because when you signed the contract you were below 18 so it didnt matter lol that was probably a stupid thing to say but it might work lol
Drum Monkey
12-09-2005, 05:19 PM
:confused: hmmm what to do what to do :amaze:
-DM
poppinfresh
12-09-2005, 09:19 PM
Highschool law? They teach law in highschool now...?
yeah
Panopticon
12-09-2005, 09:35 PM
I would negotiate , but it would depend upon how badly they would need a
teacher. If they were desperetly looking for one , thy would maybe change the contract , if they arn't , well then i have no clue
Chances are if they have a contract like that, they are in DESPERATE need of a teacher...
TTTSNB
12-10-2005, 12:00 AM
It's amazing I swear... You guys simply don't get it.
There is no contract. You can not make a legally binding civil contract with someone under 18 in the United States.
End of disscussion.
That, and I doubt that a contract that rediculous would hold up in court, even if the signer was 18+
Double Bass Jim
12-10-2005, 12:04 AM
yeah
I don't believe ya :lol:
poppinfresh
12-10-2005, 12:10 AM
yeah whatever. i dont care.
rep-- i hope you burn in hell
DrummerDave96
12-10-2005, 11:28 AM
Thanks a bunches for the help. Especially Josiah. Once again you've made my life easier.lol.
Ha ha and they do teach law in highschool now. I've got a couple friends in that class.
Thanks for the support and info.
Hoofer
12-10-2005, 04:04 PM
Josiah is right. Same in UK. You can't be held to a contract until you're 18 except in exceptional circumstances. Even over 18 (UK law anyway) the clause may not be legal. There IS such a thing as a valid "restraint of trade" clause, but it has to be reasonable in terms of both duration and geographical area. In Uk I'd say 10 years would definitely not be considered legal, and if there was no geographical limit attached (radius of xx miles from the shop) ie if it was supposed to apply to the entire planet, then it would definitely be unreasonable and therefore invalid.
Probably same sort of thing in Canada, USA, wherever.
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