Who goes to punk shows alone?

[tappenzee]

I usually don't go unless I can get a friend or a few to go with me, and for that reason I've missed out on a lot of good shows. Maybe I should reevaluate...

Anyone here go by themselves to shows?

[MrJack]

Why do you need to go with people to enjoy music(I'd say the same thing for the movies)? And on top of that, most of the time you can find cool people to hang out with while your there. I have been to shows alone, had a blast.

[coheneran]

Only the same people who go to movies alone.

[KingOfSka]

Why do you need to go with people to enjoy music(I'd say the same thing for the movies)? And on top of that, most of the time you can find cool people to hang out with while your there. I have been to shows alone, had a blast.

Spoken like someone who has absolutely no friends.

[coheneran]

Spoken like someone who has absolutely no friends.

Hear hear!

*Wiggles hand*

[Theramed]

i g owith my sister sometimes and she just stands at the back while i move about n stuff . that sorta counts but i dontr think i would go alone unless i really wanted to see the band(s)

[Nerdcore753]

Since I'm too lazy to learn to drive, I go with my friends.

[pedro durruti]

Most shows I go to I go alone, my friends like crappy music.

[Liebensaft]

Most shows I go to I go alone, my friends like crappy music.
I only have a couple friends who like good music, and I don't see them much.

[Anti-Prefix]

I like to, and do go alone. It's more fun and you don't have to worry where your friend is all the time.

[coheneran]

Most shows I go to I go alone, my friends like crappy music.

Make new and better friends at shows.

[Ghostfire3]

I only have a couple friends who like good music, and I don't see them much.

Yeah, same here. I only have like 3 or 4 friends that like good music, and one of them lives in Florida. I live in Illinois, so needless to say I don't go to shows with him too often. But, when I do visit him we go to shows together.

[Tyler]

I do usually.

[tappenzee]

Why do you need to go with people to enjoy music(I'd say the same thing for the movies)? And on top of that, most of the time you can find cool people to hang out with while your there. I have been to shows alone, had a blast.

The only problem... I tend to hate people by default until I get to know them. So if I'm in a room full of strangers, I usually hate about 90% of them at first glance. I'm cynical that way.

[AIRIC]

My friends like good music so I don't have to go to shows alone.

[Zion Gates]

...my friends listen to pretty much the same music as me (except reggae, but no reggae bands ever come to ottawa...)

[Ghostfire3]

Most of my friends's musical taste ranges from rap to classic rock to country to whatever else. So I pretty much hate all the types of music they like, and in return they hate punk. Kinda sucks, but I have like 3 friends that like good music and are cool to go to shows with.

[coheneran]

I saw a band yesterday, they were awesome. It was in a squat in camden town, an israeli band that was grungey, but were a cross between Muse and Deep Purple's slower heavier stuff. It was AWESOME. really AWESOME. I don't know what they're called though, but I made friends with their bassist who is called Ro'i (not to be confused with Roy).

[DaveToopes]

I saw Social Distortion alone, and it was so awesome. I met a bunch of cool guys that I probably wouldn't have met if I was with my friends.

[Rise Me Up]

I ususally drag someone I know to a show, and my dad likes good music so he goes sometimes.

[RudeBoyStompin]

I don't think I've ever gone to a show alone but that wouldn't stop me from going if I really wanted to see whatever band would be playing.

[EightMilesHigh]

I try not to go to local shows alone. I just feel really awkward when it's just me and the scene kids. That way, even if the show sucks, I'll have someone to talk to.

[ratsinthecity403]

I normally go with friends, but that's mostly because my friends have similar music taste to me, so even if one person dosen't end up going, somebody I know will be there.

[skavid]

I go alone most of the time. That's because most of my friends are either too young or lazy to get a job and pay to see a show.

[albert_bass]

I've never gone to a show alone but if the show interested me enough and none of my friends could or wanted to go, of course I'd go alone.

[sketchyjoe]

I used to go alone when there weren't people I knew who liked the music I did and it was okay.

[Tyler]

...my friends listen to pretty much the same music as me (except reggae, but no reggae bands ever come to ottawa...)
You going to Against Me! next Sunday?

[Anarcho Poser]

I've got three friends who listen to the same music as me... One moved to Albany, one I met at a show and haven't seen since, and the other moved to Florida. It hasn't been much of a problem yet since I can't get to shows most of the time anyway, but this spring I expect I'll be going to alot of shows alone.

[sketchyjoe]

I've got three friends who listen to the same music as me... One moved to Albany, one I met at a show and haven't seen since, and the other moved to Florida. It hasn't been much of a problem yet since I can't get to shows most of the time anyway, but this spring I expect I'll be going to alot of shows alone.
I don't think a random guy you talked to once counts as a "friend".

[Cyco_Vision]

I go to shows with your mom.

[EightMilesHigh]

I go to shows with your mom.

But we had a scrabble match tonight. :(

[Liebensaft]

I'm teh uber 1337 at Scabb13.

[AaronNi]

I havent been able to coerce any of my friends into going to shows so I always go by myself but I alway know at least five people at the shows so I'm never lonely.

[Pinhead13]

I go to shows alone most of the time, I don't mind going with someone, it would be good to know someone that had a car cause my parents won't give me a ride so I have to take public transportation, last time I went to a show it took me like 4 hours to get to the damn place.

[AIRIC]

Public Transportation is for poor people.

[lynch_me]

Going alone to shows really sucks. It varies for me.

[Pinhead13]

Public Transportation is for poor people.

:lol:

They won't take me to shows, even if they are 2 miles away from home.

[Culture Shock]

I've never gone to a show alone and I have a few people I usually go with. I have missed a few when no friends were around though. If they are in DC I usually take the metro but I only go to Baltimore shows if my friend drives.

[Ghostfire3]

:lol:

They won't take me to shows, even if they are 2 miles away from home.

That really blows.

I've never gone to a show alone, but I would if I wanted to see a band or bands that are playing and no one else can go.

[TAND]

The only people who go to shows with me are ska fanatics and don't go to punk shows. But .. heh I guess I'm one of them. I don't go to punk shows.

[secholev2]

I usually drag a few friends along who don't even know who the hell the band is playing....but it's usually cool, none of my friends listen to good music : (

[MrJack]

Spoken like someone who has absolutely no friends.

Spoken like someone too insecure to go out alone.

My friends musical taste are aweful....most of them anyways.

[TAND]

I'd go alone if I really wanted to go.

[AIRIC]

Spoken like someone too insecure to go out alone.

My friends musical taste are aweful....most of them anyways.

He's a fag overall, but we love him.

[DrGolovaCroxby]

who cares? as long as you go.

[Rootsradical]

I usually go with my girlfriend but if she can't go I have no problem going by myself.

[Sebek]

Now that I think about it, I've never been to a show alone.

[EightMilesHigh]

Now that I think about it, I've never been to a show alone.

I finally figured out your location whilst listening to TPATGOD today.

[SantaDuJuan]

All of my BFFs love my music.
So me and my BFFs all go to shows together.
A big happy BFF family.

[ani_starkiller]

I don't go to punk shows

[Feel The Darkness]

I went alone to a crust punk fest earlier this year in Austin, got their by bus, and stayed with someone off of the Profane Existence message board, haha.

Does that answer the question?

[Culture Shock]

I went alone to a crust punk fest earlier this year in Austin, got their by bus, and stayed with someone off of the Profane Existence message board, haha.

Does that answer the question?

That sounds like it was a good experience.

[shane italian]

I'll goto shows alone, but I usually end up knowing someone there.

[Anarcho Poser]

I don't think a random guy you talked to once counts as a "friend".
I still talk to her all the time, I just haven't seen her again yet :thumb:

[Lazybassplr56]

I like going to shows alone.

[littlebeast]

I used to go w/ people or would always know people there. Now, I am a little older and don't usually know anyone; thus, I go alone in most cases.

[Aus Rotten]

I have lots of friends with very similar music tastes. I'd probably go to a show alone if I had to, but, I usually got with atleast 5 other people to every show.

[Feel The Darkness]

That sounds like it was a good experience.
It was the highlight of my year.

[coheneran]

Public Transportation is for poor people.

For 'poor', read 'socially and environmentally responsible'.

[sketchyjoe]

Public transport is for hippies?

[Drop The Baby]

If there's a show i want to go and none of my mates will come, i'll go on my own without thinking twice

[TakeWarning]

I'm going to a show alone on Thursday, but I hate going to shows alone, to be honest.

[coheneran]

Public transport is for hippies?

Hippies aren't the only ones who are environmentally responsible nowadays. Most of the working people in central London do something. They walk, lots of people cycle to work now, bus, tube, carpooling. There's also a Congestion Charge, which means you have to pay 8 quid everytime you drive a vehicle into Central London, and there are cameras everywhere to make sure you don't do it for free. And the public transport system is improving ALOT. If only they'd deprivatize it :upset:

[sketchyjoe]

When you say Public Transport is improving I assume you're excluding the tube in general and the Northern line in particular.

[coheneran]

When you say Public Transport is improving I assume you're excluding the tube in general and the Northern line in particular.

Mostly I'm talking about buses. Hey, if you're interested, there's gonna be a party on the tube soon. I don't wanna post details on here, but if you are interested, email me @ coheneran@fastmail.fm

[SickBoy]

i saw the oppressed a year ago today on my own, one of the best gigs ive ever been to

[Berserker!]

Let's ask Nick's opinion on this

[coheneran]

Let's ask Nick's opinion on this

Must we? Can't we make our own up?

[skankthenspank]

I go to shows with your mom.

OH SNAP!

It's funny this thread was made, because I went to a punk show last night alone for the first time. It was a greast show though.

[sketchyjoe]

Must we? Can't we make our own up?
WHOOSH!


That's a joke going right over your head.

[Jessizzle]

The show im going to this weekend. I know like 100 people going. so i dont think i will be alone.

[coheneran]

WHOOSH!


That's a joke going right over your head.

People should put /Sarcasm after sarcasm. I know it ruins the point, but it keeps people like me from feeling silly.

[holy_roller99]

man. i only have two people that like the same music that i like. and when i go i amusually with one person. the rest of my friends are either metalheads or country hic idiots. one of them tried to delete the music off my computer because he said it sucked.

[coheneran]

man. i only have two people that like the same music that i like. and when i go i amusually with one person. the rest of my friends are either metalheads or country hic idiots. one of them tried to delete the music off my computer because he said it sucked.

Did you gone punched 'im in da nose? Guh huh.

*Snig'ger*

[gregulus]

Hippies aren't the only ones who are environmentally responsible nowadays. Most of the working people in central London do something. They walk, lots of people cycle to work now, bus, tube, carpooling. There's also a Congestion Charge, which means you have to pay 8 quid everytime you drive a vehicle into Central London, and there are cameras everywhere to make sure you don't do it for free. And the public transport system is improving ALOT. If only they'd deprivatize it :upset:
Quit being a moron.

[coheneran]

Quit being a moron.

What's moronic about anti-privatisation?

[gregulus]

What's moronic about anti-privatisation?
It's too idealistic. Competition is a driving force for many technologies we take for granted.

[coheneran]

It's too idealistic. Competition is a driving force for many technologies we take for granted.

I think there's a difference between business competition and train wrecks due to funding that the owning company has cut!

[gregulus]

I think there's a difference between business competition and train wrecks due to funding that the owning company has cut!
A company should be smart enough to maintain its tracks. Train wrecks cause a loss in travelers.

And how would the state who controls the de-privatized railroad collect funds? Higher taxes?

[coheneran]

A company should be smart enough to maintain its tracks. Train wrecks cause a loss in travelers.

And how would the state who controls the de-privatized railroad collect funds? Higher taxes?

A government's Transport Department isn't in it for profit, they're doing it to get people from A to B as safely, quickly and now cleanly as possible. And you wouldn't believe how many corners are being cut by Virgin, Anglia Railways, GNER etc.. And on the subject of taxes, yes, in fact, I'm willing to pay that extra £5 a year to know that me and every other British citizen are travelling safely. Everyone's so fuc'kin' obssessed with their money and how to not spend it on improving humanity so they can spend it on something ridiculously expensive that they don't even need.

[gregulus]

A government's Transport Department isn't in it for profit, they're doing it to get people from A to B as safely, quickly and now cleanly as possible. And you wouldn't believe how many corners are being cut by Virgin, Anglia Railways, GNER etc.. And on the subject of taxes, yes, in fact, I'm willing to pay that extra £5 a year to know that me and every other British citizen are travelling safely. Everyone's so fuc'kin' obssessed with their money and how to not spend it on improving humanity so they can spend it on something ridiculously expensive that they don't even need.
There should be enforcement of government regulations. I don't have a clue how the money system works in Britian in regards to grants and things, but here in the United States, Congress has the ability to cut funding if regulations are not met.

[iamtheking]

I go alone and get stared down by those stupid uber hxc punkszorz in my country. The bands usually suck too so I don't go anymore.

[(r)evolution]

i might have to go to Against me! on my own, i cant find anyone else able to go.

[One Step Beyond]

I usually go with a pal of mine, but neither of us are very social, and hardly talk to each other in person. So it's sort of like I'm alone. I don't have many friends around here, mainly because I hate almost everyone my age around these parts.

[Ghostfire3]

I usually go with a pal of mine, but neither of us are very social, and hardly talk to each other in person. So it's sort of like I'm alone. I don't have many friends around here, mainly because I hate almost everyone my age around these parts.

Yeah, my school is pretty much full of stupid hot topic kids and kids who are obssessed with My Chemical Romance and all those other shi'tty bands. There are few people who listen to punk or anything like it in my school.

[One Step Beyond]

The kdis aroudn here actually listen to some alright stuff, but they only do it to seem cool with the "real" hardcore kids from Louisville, which is three hours away.

The main that irks me about them is that they all act like pompous jackasses. It's annoying as hell, and I used to get in fights with them, so now I just keep my distance from their incessant douchebaggery.

[Jersey's Best Dancer]

I have never gone by myself cause I have 5 friends who usually go w/ me, but I would probably perfer to go by myself. No one you have to worry about and I could just mosh/skank my *** off w/o having to watch out for them (cause one of my friends does sumthing stupid every show I go w/ him to).

[One Step Beyond]

I hate when people act stupid and get in other's way. Acting like a goof is fun every once in awhile, but if it gets to the point where you are bothering other people, then you need a punch in the face for being an idiot.

(that is an indirect "you", so I wasn't meaning offense to anyone)

[DrGolovaCroxby]

A company should be smart enough to maintain its tracks. Train wrecks cause a loss in travelers.

And how would the state who controls the de-privatized railroad collect funds? Higher taxes?

hahah, i like you.

[Jessizzle]

i might have to go to Against me! on my own, i cant find anyone else able to go.
I was thinking about going. Then i rememberd i have no money.

[DaveToopes]

i might have to go to Against me! on my own, i cant find anyone else able to go.

I would see Against Me! if I was the only one there. If you don't go....I'll kill you.

[holy_roller99]

I was thinking about going. Then i rememberd i have no money.

do you have a job at all? i don't and i feel bad when i borrow money from my parents. even shoveling a couple of people's doorsteps for ten bucks would be enough to afford a show. by the way i have been through that so it is your best chance.

[coheneran]

do you have a job at all? i don't and i feel bad when i borrow money from my parents. even shoveling a couple of people's doorsteps for ten bucks would be enough to afford a show. by the way i have been through that so it is your best chance.

I know how you feel, I hate asking my parents for money.

[f_unamerican]

I respect anyone who goes to a concert alone. I'm dependant on my friends.

[coheneran]

I respect anyone who goes to a concert alone. I'm dependant on my friends.

I don't think it's anything to do with dependency.

Now that the formalities are over:

Dude, Franco Unamerican was an awesome cute video. I have a clip of it live on Conan and they changed one of the lines into swearing (a petty but funny show of rebellion) about Bush. I liked it.

[Jessizzle]

do you have a job at all? i don't and i feel bad when i borrow money from my parents. even shoveling a couple of people's doorsteps for ten bucks would be enough to afford a show. by the way i have been through that so it is your best chance.
My grades arent good enough to have a job too! haha.
But this show was 30 bucks. Yeah i could get 10$ easy.

[holy_roller99]

hey spend a day helping the old people for money and you could have money for a lot of shows. i made enought to go to DKM through this and still had 50$ in my wallet.

[Jessizzle]

hey spend a day helping the old people for money and you could have money for a lot of shows. i made enought to go to DKM through this and still had 50$ in my wallet.
I get into local ska shows for free, cause i promote most of them. but not Big d and dkm.

[holy_roller99]

really. how do you do that?

[Jessizzle]

really. how do you do that?
Well iv talked about it a millllion times. But im on two promoting teams.
We book our own shows and promote them. Aswell as a favor for other bands they give us flyers and we promote for them.

[holy_roller99]

Well iv talked about it a millllion times. But im on two promoting teams.
We book our own shows and promote them. Aswell as a favor for other bands they give us flyers and we promote for them.

are youin a band at all or are you just part of the promotional teams

[Jessizzle]

are youin a band at all or are you just part of the promotional teams
The teams.
I kinda have a band. but we havnt done anything yet.

[holy_roller99]

ska/punk i am guessing. because my band is like that. (though ska is a little more complicated to write.)

[Nihilism'99]

I either go to shows with my brother or by myself. No big deal.

[MechanicalClockworkOrgy]

well i go alone... but when i get there im with friends (close-knit scene)

[DaveToopes]

well i go alone... but when i get there im with friends (close-knit scene)

That's awesome.

[FunknPunk]

I always go to shows alone


/has no friends

[Lazybassplr56]

Loser.

[Homelesshero]

i used to go to shows by myself and meet up with my friends there. but recently one of my friends has actually been getting to punk and wanting to go to shows, so me and him go to shows and rip it up in the mosh pit.

[Jessizzle]

well i go alone... but when i get there im with friends (close-knit scene)
Eehehehe. I LOVE YOU.

[bryce_the_cat]

i usually only go to shows with my brother

[username77]

I usually go with someone, but being alone won't stop me.

[pulseczar]

the same people who went to their proms with their cousins, play magic cards and pre-ordered an xbox 360

[AIRIC]

That was stupid leave my forum.

[Hardhat]

You know you shouldn't talk like that. Walls have feelings too. Just because they have a different religion doesn't make them any different. Walls have to endure hard lives. A wall is a usually solid structure that defines and sometimes protects space. Most commonly, a wall separates space in buildings into rooms, or protects or delineates a space in the open air. There are three principal types of structural walls: building walls, exterior boundary walls, and retaining walls. They are often mistreated and ignored. Some people even impale their walls! We must remember that walls have played an important role into our lives. Before the invention of artillery, many European cities had protective walls. Since they are no longer relevant for defense, the cities have grown beyond their walls, and many of the walls have been torn down. Extreme examples of boundary walls include the Great Wall of China and Hadrian's Wall. These walls protected us from invaders at will. How many people would do that? Or how about the Great Wall of China? That wall has endured through a painful life, even without your racist comments. This magnificent wall was built in the 14th century and it protected the Chinese from raids from barbarians like you.
The wall represented the strong moral values of Buddhism. According to the traditional account (first written down in the 3rd century BC) Gautama follows an ascetic life for six years before deciding that a middle path between mortification and indulgence of the body will provide the best hope of achieving enlightenment. He resolves to meditate, in moderate comfort, until he sees the light of truth. One evening he sits under a pipal tree at Buddh Gaya, a village in Bihar. By dawn he is literally buddha, an 'enlightened one'. Like any other religious leader he begins to gather disciples. He becomes known to his followers as the Buddha. Gautama preaches his first sermon at Sarnath, about 5 miles (8km) north of the sacred Hindu city of Varanasi. In this sermon, still a definitive text for all Buddhists, he proposes a path to enlightenment very different from the elaborate ceremonies and colourful myth attached to the Hindu deities. Gautama's message is plain to the point of bluntness, at any rate when reduced to a simple list - as it usually is in primers on Buddhism. He states that enlightenment can be achieved by understanding Four Noble Truths.
By the time of his death, at about the age of eighty, the Buddha's followers are established as communities of monks in northern India. Wandering through villages and towns with their begging bowls, eager to describe the path to the truth, they are familiar figures. But so are many other such groups, including the Jains. The advance of the Buddhists beyond the others is largely due to the enthusiastic support of a king of the 3rd century BC. Asoka rules over much of the Indian subcontinent. His inscriptions, carved on pillars and rocks throughout his realm, bear witness both to the spread of Buddhism and to his own benevolent support of the Buddha's principles. During Asoka's reign, and with his encouragement, Buddhism spreads to south India and into Sri Lanka. The latter has remained to this day a stronghold of the earliest form of Buddhism, known as Theravada (meaning the 'school of elders').
uddhism is well established in China by the 2nd century AD and coexists there, with varying fortunes, alongside China's indigenous religions - Daoism and Confucianism. By the 6th century its influence has spread through Korea to Japan. Here too it coexists, in a shifting pattern, with the earlier Japanese religion, Shinto. The region which develops the most distinctive form of Buddhism lies between India and China, and receives its first Buddhist influences from both directions in the 7th century. This is Tibet. It will evolve an element of Buddhism unique to itself - that of a succession of reincarnating lamas, with the Dalai Lama as the senior line.

You guys are like a fat cow that doesn't know its fat. So fat that it dies because it made fun of Buddhist walls.

[Skidmark Steve]

^^^ Completely pointless

I've always wanted to go to a show by myself, mainly because my friends will never go with me. I'd just feel so awkward. I seen some black dude at a show by himself before. He looked so alone, I kind of felt bad.

[Heal Nations]

if ur frends can't go then make frends there!

[Ghostfire3]

I went to a local ska show alone once and I saw other kids there who went alone too and we all started skanking together. It was really cool.

[Pseudo Man]

If i go to a show with my girlfriend I have to take another good looking guy because my girlfriend hardly ever goes anywhere without her best friend who is always trying to cut in, so I need someone sexier than me (which is not hard) to distract her so I can hang out with my girlfriend in peace...

I should totally write songs for the used.

[Pseudo Man]

Man that Hardhat guy is on drugs

[wicky428]

I normally go with a friend, but i have gone to a few gigs on my own in the past.

[Rise Me Up]

I normally go with a friend, but i have gone to a few gigs on my own in the past.

No you haven't.

[DaveToopes]

There is a show here that i plan on going to with people, since i have friends that want to go. I would definitely go alone if nobody else wanted to go though.

I'm pretty sure it's a local ska band, The Planet Smashers, and the Toasters, I'll have to get the info from my girlfriend though.

[Flagjacket]

I would go to shows alone.

[DaveToopes]

Kevin I would go with you!

[Flagjacket]

I would go with you too Ethan! <333

[Kepone-Factory]

in the past i've attended many shows by myself ..but i now i go with my good buddy and mx legened lynch_me!!!!!!:p

[Ben]

Every show I have ever gone too, Ive had to go alone because all of my friends are into other kinds of music. And it sucks

[srt-4]

i always go to shows alone. i only have a couple friends that like the music i do and we are all too busy to find time to go to shows together. i usually just show up in time for the band i want to see and leave right after anyway, so it works out fine.

[AIRIC]

in the past i've attended many shows by myself ..but i now i go with my good buddy and mx legened lynch_me!!!!!!:p

i'm sure he'll love that.

[Jessizzle]

Even if i were to go to a show alone, everytime i go to a show i meet new friends.

[lynch_me]

i'm sure he'll love that.
I've never seen that guy before. I swear.

[Scabies]

I went to conflict alone last night, had an amazing time and met some new friends.

[to_Burn_The_Eye]

I wouldn't mind going to show alone if there was no breaks between bands and no bit at the start where your waiting for the bands to come on. But I went with 1 mate to a local show the other day and even with 2 people I still felt quite out of place and that I didn't really know anyone except for him when most people were in big groups. But when the music starts I would be fine because you don't feel so out of place when you are in the skank or mosh pit.

[Ghostfire3]

I might have to go to Mustard Plug on the 28th alone. I've never been to a show by myself, but I don't really mind.

[maco]

I sometimes go alone. Usually I know someone in one of the bands or that helped organize the show or something though. Other times, I know that my friend Rob will want to go because it's a ska show and we're ska freaks. This leads to our parents going "oh well why dont you two carpool?" because they don't both wanna drive both ways. I make friends at shows all the time anyway. I take along paper and a pen just to write down people's myspaces and sn's because I'll probably get at least a few (one time about 10).

[Skidmark Steve]

I sometimes go alone. Usually I know someone in one of the bands or that helped organize the show or something though. Other times, I know that my friend Rob will want to go because it's a ska show and we're ska freaks. This leads to our parents going "oh well why dont you two carpool?" because they don't both wanna drive both ways. I make friends at shows all the time anyway. I take along paper and a pen just to write down people's myspaces and sn's because I'll probably get at least a few (one time about 10).
"Why do you have a pen and paper in your pocket?"

"Oh....I a....forgot it was in there..."

[sam-a-lam]

i go to shows alone all the time.. i actually prefer it... i meet new people at every one...:thumb: