Fantasia in D minor (Learning the treble clef)

[HaVIC5]

Today I decided for the first time in a long time to actually sit down and practice with a goal in mind - to work on fluently sight-reading the treble clef. Treble clef reading, while not essential for bassists, is still a very important tool in jazz for reading lead sheets and understanding the melody, and sight-reading is an even more valuable tool. My bass teacher can do it on upright, so I figured I'd at least work on sight reading on the electric.

I took out an easy intermediate-level piano book and began reading through the treble lines, painfully slowly at first, but slightly faster as time went on. I recommend doing this because many classical and baroque era lines, especially in the Clementi Sonatas, are simply scalar, which really helps one get a feel for the notes on the upper end of the neck. I happened upon one piece that caught my attention, the Fantasia in D minor by Georg Philipp Telemann, and I thought to myself, "hmm, this would sound really cool if it was a bass duet", so I recorded it.

http://www.soundclick.com/thearmedpawn

While I doubt anybody could sight read the melodic line up to tempo (or the countermelodic for that matter), my treble reading skills did help me learn it faster than otherwise. I encourage all of you to at least start working on reading treble clef in order to at least garner a greater understanding of the music that is being played.

Thoughts? Comments about the recording?

[Tryxx]

I actually read treble cleff better than bass. I played trumpet and baritone on that cleff.

And that recording sounds great, you're always bringing something like that to the table. Good to have more genres around. :thumb:

[HaVIC5]

I can read treble clef rather fluenty on piano, but it's an entirely different then reading sight reading on piano as opposed to sight-reading on bass. I'm getting there though.

And thanks! My book actually says the half note should equal 140, and on the recording I was playing about 110, so I wasn't even going at the real tempo, but I thought it would sound rather cluttered any faster. That, and it would have been a bitch and a half to play. :p

[Jabawanga]

I like it a lot, sounds great. I listened to your other songs and you have much talent. btw, what delay pedal did you use for the "mx bass manring tribute" clip? i really liked that.

[naut]

very cool, i've never been a fan of the song; but your recording makes it listenable. nice tone as well.

[FU.CKY.OU]

That was neat.

[sanray]

better than any version I have ever heard

[Mr. JazzMaster]

http://www.musictheory.net/

Use this place if you need help, they have training programs you can use.

This thing is my saving grace for learing the work of music and theory.

Hope i helped.

[Its all gravys]

wow that sounds awesome....i want to learn that...

[mastrrbasser]

sounds great. I'm also learning treble cleff. I've been learning melodies out of the real book. I have oleo down now. keep up the good work.

[trumpeter]

i am pretty much unstoppable at treble clef

then i try to read bass and die.

[Mailman]

Wow that was boring.

Mozarts version owns it to ****.

I still <3 your playing though.

[HaVIC5]

It's an entirely different idiom - it's the baroque, whereas Mozart's Fantasia in D minor was written in an entirely different era some hundred years later. It's like comparing the popular music of the 1890's to that of today.

And it's not Mozart's "version", it's Mozart's own piece. There are plenty of classical compositions that have the same name that are totally different.

[Sade]

It's an entirely different idiom - it's the baroque, whereas Mozart's Fantasia in D minor was written in an entirely different era some hundred years later. It's like comparing the popular music of the 1890's to that of today.

And it's not Mozart's "version", it's Mozart's own piece. There are plenty of classical compositions that have the same name that are totally different.

But does that imbue it with boring-immunity?

Nope.

Subjectivity is a bitch, eh eh eh.

[SixnStones]

you are a machine havic.

/thread

and sade, what's your post got to do with the one you qouted?

[Noushi]

It means he found it boring, no matter it not being the piece by Mozart.

And it is a little... still, so is a lot of classical music.

[FREAKofNATURE]

That sounded great man, I love classical music on bass. Do you happen to have the sheet music or tab for the version of Round Midnight?

[Sade]

It means he found it boring, no matter it not being the piece by Mozart.

And it is a little... still, so is a lot of classical music.

No, I did not say I found it boring. I said being amazingly relative to the time period does not make it IMMUNE to dullness.

I much enjoyed the piece.

[Sade]

Havic, you need to tab out your Bouree in Emin, and send it to me. Seriously, do it now.

I recently learned one of the Bach Inversions, in a tapping style. (Not sure which, or if that's even it-I ripped it out of this old piano book my mom had when she used to teach it.)

[Misanthropic]

I loved it. I usually don't comment on people's soundcliks but this one got me. Guess I'm weird for liking such "boring sh|t" haha. :thumb:

[Noushi]

Ah, indeed, it was Mailman who said that.

And no, Misanthropic that's not why you're weird...

[HaVIC5]

I was just clarifying the nature of who wrote it, not whether or not he found the composition boring. I can understand why people find Baroque counterpoint to be dull. It's an unvarying musical artform that is extremely scienetific, includes few, if any dynamic variences, and requires what some find to be undue intellectualization.

[Left Shoe]

classically trained clarinet player here, treble cleff is my thing, i can read bass clef, but sometimes when im sight reading my brain switches to the other clef, like today in concert band (im on clarinet) we had this part which was this reallly long 16th note run and i blinked and my brain went into bass clef, i couldnt help but laugh

[Spazzout22]

Yep, I dug that. There are some messy parts with the duet where the timing gets off just slightly. Its too bad that this needs to be plucked, some of the faster things get a little too jagged for my tastes. But overall a very good job. I really like your tone btw.

[Ting]

I actually read treble cleff better than bass. I played trumpet and baritone on that cleff.

And that recording sounds great, you're always bringing something like that to the table. Good to have more genres around. :thumb:
same here, (not the trumpet thing), i have played violin for 11 years so it's much more difficult to read the bass clef for me

[Moon Flavor]

Havic, you need to tab out your Bouree in Emin, and send it to me. Seriously, do it now.

I recently learned one of the Bach Inversions, in a tapping style. (Not sure which, or if that's even it-I ripped it out of this old piano book my mom had when she used to teach it.)
I thought you were the one that always said learning other peoples' songs is the worst idea ever, and anyone who did it is retarded....or something to that effect?


...I'd like a tab too :lol:

[darrell]

Is that Fantasia tabbed out at all? I really enjoyed that... Usually I cringe when I listen to tracks recorded by MX's users, but that was really cool. Keep up the good work! :)

[Manticore Guy]

Nice job Havic, your work never ceases to amaze me. I was thinking of doing a bass duet of Richard Kleinmichel's Hungarian Dance. It's a cool piece.

[White_Summer]

Very nice, George Phillip Telemen must be one of my favourite composers, some of his flute minuets are simply incredible, nice playing as well, you seem to be a very solid player, lotsa respect

[HaVIC5]

Is that Fantasia tabbed out at all? I really enjoyed that... Usually I cringe when I listen to tracks recorded by MX's users, but that was really cool. Keep up the good work! :)
Again, I didn't tab it out, the point of recording it was to work on my treble clef reading skills.

And since people seem to be very insistant on me tabbing the Bouree, I might do it for you all soon. But its so much more rewarding when you figure out fingerings for yourself, and useful too.

[Sade]

I thought you were the one that always said learning other peoples' songs is the worst idea ever, and anyone who did it is retarded....or something to that effect?


...I'd like a tab too :lol:

Too bad you're nowhere near skilled enough to learn it, kthxbyebye.

[Sade]

Again, I didn't tab it out, the point of recording it was to work on my treble clef reading skills.

And since people seem to be very insistant on me tabbing the Bouree, I might do it for you all soon. But its so much more rewarding when you figure out fingerings for yourself, and useful too.

Just give us the tab, jazz boy.

[darrell]

Yeah, it probably is more rewarding... I'm downloading the sheet music... there's like seven parts to it... one which is in D minor. Hopefully it's the same thing.

[Moon Flavor]

Too bad you're nowhere near skilled enough to learn it, kthxbyebye.
When have you heard me play?

Why didn't you defend your hypocritical remarks?

Don't you realize that "kthxbyebye" is possibly one of the most annoying things you could say?

[darrell]

http://www.free-scores.com/download-sheet-music.php?pdf=1664

Is that the one, or something else?

[darrell]

The one that is in D minor is Fantasia VIII - the last one on the .PDF file.

[Sade]

When have you heard me play?

Why didn't you defend your hypocritical remarks?

Don't you realize that "kthxbyebye" is possibly one of the most annoying things you could say?

Time to stfu 4 u.

[Moon Flavor]

Time to stfu 4 u.
Seriously man, that hurts. Deep down in the heart.



All I wanted was to be loved...:upset:

[Sade]

Seriously man, that hurts. Deep down in the heart.



All I wanted was to be loved...:upset:

It's true.

Don't worry, even though you're horrendously gay, I still <3 you.

[HaVIC5]

This one was written by Telemann, not Froeberger.

http://www.classicalmidiconnection.com/cgibin/x.cgi/midi/a3/telfandm.mid

I only did the first part of the fantasia, as is made evident by this MIDI.

[JadedBass]

question!

are you playing this with tapping or just straight playing?

I know it may sound stupid but it sound like tapping but could just be rough finger plucking

[JadedBass]

also any sheet music linky?

[JadedBass]

SHII! forget the last 2 posts because i was listening to revelation....

sorry

[sanray]

trumpet in hands=treble clef

bass in hands=bass clef

this fall I was bored at university and I wrote out one of bach's inventions from treble into bass clef and that is very nice.

[roee_co]

nice man
you're really talented i love to listen to your stuff
but i have only one problem with them, some songs are too muddy and too quiet so maybe try and mix differently or something?

[HaVIC5]

Yeah, I tried to make this song a bit better in the mix. I'm well aware of the fact that my mixing ability sucks.

[Mailman]

It's an entirely different idiom - it's the baroque, whereas Mozart's Fantasia in D minor was written in an entirely different era some hundred years later. It's like comparing the popular music of the 1890's to that of today.

And it's not Mozart's "version", it's Mozart's own piece. There are plenty of classical compositions that have the same name that are totally different.

I know its Mozart's own piece. I'm saying the original Mozart-composed version rips the arse out of your boring bass solo version.

Plus you didn't even attempt to comeback to me saying its boring.

[HaVIC5]

???

I didn't compose it. I don't know if you're knocking my playing or what, and if it is boring to you, what could I have done to make it better.

[Mailman]

???

I didn't compose it. I don't know if you're knocking my playing or what, and if it is boring to you, what could I have done to make it better.

Your playing is fine, its just the way you play the song is really boring. Sorry.

NOTSOSUBTLEEDIT: Its actually the tone that doesn't suit the song. It just doesn't fit a bass.

[skingle]

^^Play it better yourself then.

[HaVIC5]

Your playing is fine, its just the way you play the song is really boring. Sorry.

NOTSOSUBTLEEDIT: Its actually the tone that doesn't suit the song. It just doesn't fit a bass.
My playing is fine, it's just boring? I don't understand how its fine and boring at the same time.

I was playing it stylistically correct. If I was to play any dynamics, or even put much emotion into playing it rubato or anything, it would not have been in the Baroque style. Which, like I said, many people find boring.

[White_Summer]

i liked it, it sounds great to me, maybe you need to be informed of the style of music, boroque isnt the easiest music to like, more people go for the Romantic pieces more i find

[thelowsoundofbass]

that was me that says that learning other peoples music is pointless for ME. not for other people. tho i changed my mind on the whole theory thing and i am starting lessons soon.

havic, i am listening to it now

lowsound

[thelowsoundofbass]

wow, you are the tapping master of all things mx. umm you going to school for music?

lowsound

[Sade]

wow, you are the tapping master of all things mx. umm you going to school for music?

lowsound

His new piece is not two handed tapped, in case you missed that, my little buddy.