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Interviewer/surveyer

11-28-2005, 09:34 AM

I've been a huge Brett Favre fan my for 10 years now. I still believe he's in the top 3 QB's of all time, and if he can pull it together and have one more solid year, will be known as the greatest ever. But after yesterday's game, i'm having second thoughts on whether he can play at the level he has been over the last 13 years. So, whattya think?

3074326

11-28-2005, 10:19 AM

He'd still be performing at a high level if he had some talent around him. He could play for another few years if he wanted to.

I think this is his last year. He knows that Aaron Rodgers was drafted for a reason, and after every game you see everyone from the opposing team go right to Favre and show him their respect. As Tom Jackson said, it's his "farewell tour."

nitzguy

11-28-2005, 11:35 AM

he needs more talent, but he also needs to know its about that time to hit the ol dusty trail

no compromise2

11-28-2005, 11:36 AM

Everyone says he should retire after this year. So I would say he is.

Ethan.

11-28-2005, 03:42 PM

I think he is still good... He needs better recievers for good stats though. I think he will stay in one more year. What kind of legendary QB wants to retire after a season like he's had?

DuckinFutch

11-28-2005, 08:34 PM

Yea, but I don't think next year will be much better for him...

I think he should have left after last year...

'Course that's a lot easier to say with hindsight, but wtv.

seanman99

11-29-2005, 07:33 PM

Brett hang em up. Your too good a QB to try and win with the crap of a team.

3074326

11-29-2005, 11:05 PM

Yea, but I don't think next year will be much better for him...

In the Packers' defense, they should have Javon Walker and Ahman Green (if he gets another contract offer). Those two players were his weapons.

They have a good enough defense to win if they put together some offense. They just can't win the close games, and they've had plenty of them.

I'm not a Packers fan, by the way.

TalibanAxeMan

12-01-2005, 01:38 AM

He is still an awesome QB but hes just a bit long in the tooth
The man has talent coming out of his ears

But honestly, speaking of older players, Jerry Rice, what an absolute legend

(Sorry im an ignorrant aussie so if any of what i said is wrong disregard since all the gridiron i see is when i manage to catch it on cable)

Ethan.

12-01-2005, 07:21 PM

He is still an awesome QB but hes just a bit long in the tooth

Is that an Australian phrase? I've never heard it before.

few_dollars_more

12-01-2005, 09:12 PM

He's still a very good QB. He has a bunch of TD's, a bunch of yards, but WAY too many INT's. I think it's just a case of him trying to do too much with the team he is leading. He's defitnetly dropped soem talent, and I dont think hes accepted that, so he makes the throws he made 10 years ago.

Illmatic

12-01-2005, 09:33 PM

He is done. He has cost the Packers many games this season with dumb rookie mistakes.

Before people play the maudlin "well look at his team" excuse, Dan Marino was taking Dolphin teams who were barely better than this year's Packers team to the playoffs near the end of his career.

TalibanAxeMan

12-01-2005, 10:24 PM

Is that an Australian phrase? I've never heard it before.

Not sure. Im not dumb enough to claim it for Australia just cos i havnt heard it used by other nationalities.

It just means hes getting old
i.e. wolf - teeth(least thats where i assumed it came from)

few_dollars_more

12-02-2005, 07:11 PM

He is done. He has cost the Packers many games this season with dumb rookie mistakes.

Haha, I assume you have never watched him actually play lately have you? How can you cost your team a loss when your already behind? All he's doing right now is throwing it up to people he's never met, much less played with. And he's always been an INT kinda guy. He usualy just has twice as many TD's. And don't call Marino's team almost as bad as the current Packers team is. No one man can make a whole team, I don't care who he is.

Red Stripe

12-02-2005, 07:17 PM

I don't think he's done completely. He still has the arm, but if he was still his old self, that game against the Bengals wouldn't of happened. He's definetly not as good as he was. He doesn't have the team around him, I don't think he'd bring the team he had a few years back to the Super Bowl the way he is now. He's going to retire after this year most likely.

Illmatic

12-02-2005, 08:00 PM

Haha, I assume you have never watched him actually play lately have you? How can you cost your team a loss when your already behind? All he's doing right now is throwing it up to people he's never met, much less played with. And he's always been an INT kinda guy. He usualy just has twice as many TD's. And don't call Marino's team almost as bad as the current Packers team is. No one man can make a whole team, I don't care who he is.

Take the last game against the Eagles, when he threw a dumb pick when he forced a pass into the end zone when he did not need to. He has always killed the Packers in the playoffs (see: the INT to Dawkins against the Eagles, his choke against Atlanta, the six-INT game against St. Louis, the NFC Championship against Dallas when he threw two picks that led to two Cowboys touchdowns in the final five minutes, etc...even in the Super Bowl against the Pats he was virtually invisible after his touchdown to Freeman, Desmond Howard and the Packers D won that game) and now it's becoming a habit in the regular season too. He long ago reached the stage in his career where he wasn't quite good enough to win football games against good teams; his crucial mistake is that he has never realized it.

few_dollars_more

12-04-2005, 01:18 AM

Are you kidding me? Dumb pass into the endzone? He had to make that pass, it was a their last shot. Ever heard of a Hail Mary?

Smokey D

12-04-2005, 02:21 AM

Not sure. Im not dumb enough to claim it for Australia just cos i havnt heard it used by other nationalities.

It just means hes getting old
i.e. wolf - teeth(least thats where i assumed it came from)

It comes from the fact that teeth keep on growing as a person ages, leading to an increase in the amount of tooth visible in older people.

few_dollars_more

12-04-2005, 01:47 PM

Thats a pretty cool saying. Never heard it before either.

3074326

12-04-2005, 08:15 PM

Are you kidding me? Dumb pass into the endzone? He had to make that pass, it was a their last shot. Ever heard of a Hail Mary?

It was second and fifteen with 59 seconds left. They had at least two more shots left, assuming that they didn't get any firsts downs or get out of bounds. They could've moved up the field and scored a TD with time left on the clock.

Illmatic

12-04-2005, 09:06 PM

few_dollars_more

12-05-2005, 05:33 PM

So he threw an interception in the end zone to ensure the Bears the lead at the half, then threw another one that was returned for the game-icing touchdown.

1st of all, Bears defense #1 in country,
2nd of all, he injured his foreman earlier in the game.

Why they didn't try to put Aaron Rodgers in is beyond me. It would be kinda mean to put him in against the Bears, but still. And all your doing is proving that he has lost some talent. Which I've already said. You still can't prove that he doesn't have a place to play in this league anymore.

Illmatic

12-05-2005, 06:00 PM

They have the #1 ranked defense in the NFL and the Packers still rolled up 360 yards; they were killed by Favre's two turnovers.

I never said he is entirely washed-up (or I didn't try to), but I definitely think that at this point he's basically Drew Bledsoe with a better pedigree, and there are a lot of quarterbacks I would rather have than Drew Bledsoe.

few_dollars_more

12-05-2005, 09:32 PM

They have the #1 ranked defense in the NFL and the Packers still rolled up 360 yards; they were killed by Favre's two turnovers.

Credit that to Samkon Gado. That guy is a freak of nature. And Brett is getting to be that old. But if they surround him with more playmakers I think he could last another couple years. They should have him come back next year and gradually through the season(Depending on their record) they should put Rodgers in.

12-05-2005, 09:34 PM

Da Bears sure gave him one hell of a beating...
hopefully the bears can get to the playoffs, and past SEATTLE

few_dollars_more

12-05-2005, 09:39 PM

Da Bears sure gave him one hell of a beating...
hopefully the bears can get to the playoffs, and past SEATTLE

Seriously, did you see some of the hits he had laid on him.
Actually he threw a hell of a block too. That was funny. It's got to be embarrasing to be blocked by a QB.

mattmackenzie

12-11-2005, 06:49 PM

his team doesnt work for him...if the pocket collapses he can only throw it away because he cant run anymore.

YDload

12-11-2005, 09:23 PM

Brett Favre is like The Simpsons of the NFL.

3074326

12-12-2005, 12:39 AM

his team doesnt work for him...if the pocket collapses he can only throw it away because he cant run anymore.

Well yeah, but he still makes bad decisions. He always has.

How are some of you guys not realizing this? He's always mad bad decisions. It's not like this is the first year he's thrown too many INTs.

Interviewer/surveyer

12-12-2005, 09:45 AM

So he threw an interception in the end zone to ensure the Bears the lead at the half, then threw another one that was returned for the game-icing touchdown.

Any of his slavish pack of fanboys been converted yet?

Brett Favre has been throwing a lot of interceptions this year, and has always thrown quite a bit of interceptions. But Babe Ruth Struck out more than pretty much anyone too. What im saying is, with great risks comes great triumphs and also great mistakes. Brett got to the Superbowl twice, and won once. He definitely isn't as good, but he's still in the top 5 in the league, maybe even top 3.(although Manning is definitely better right now)

Someone's team does play a role in how good people perform. Going from a 10-6 season where you did well to losing two weapons that combined for 26 td's is tough to take. Chalk on 5 more points a game for the Packers and they're in the playoffs easily. The funny things is, The Packers have outscored their opponents this year, something most teams will a losing record can't claim. My vote, Packers in the playoffs next year, with Favre at the helm.

Interviewer/surveyer

12-12-2005, 09:46 AM

Brett Favre is like The Simpsons of the NFL.
basically yeah. nice.

3074326

12-12-2005, 06:15 PM

Brett Favre has been throwing a lot of interceptions this year, and has always thrown quite a bit of interceptions. But Babe Ruth Struck out more than pretty much anyone too. What im saying is, with great risks comes great triumphs and also great mistakes. Brett got to the Superbowl twice, and won once. He definitely isn't as good, but he's still in the top 5 in the league, maybe even top 3.(although Manning is definitely better right now)

Someone's team does play a role in how good people perform. Going from a 10-6 season where you did well to losing two weapons that combined for 26 td's is tough to take. Chalk on 5 more points a game for the Packers and they're in the playoffs easily. The funny things is, The Packers have outscored their opponents this year, something most teams will a losing record can't claim. My vote, Packers in the playoffs next year, with Favre at the helm.

He threw INTs last year with those weapons. He makes bad decisions, whether or not he's having a good season. Some of his decisions are just terrible. You cannot throw into triple coverage. Doesn't matter who you're throwing to, that's just a bad decision.

Top three in the league? Eh.. Manning, Brady, Palmer, Brees, Roethlisberger all would start over Favre if I were the coach, but that's just my opinion.

Illmatic

12-12-2005, 06:43 PM

Brett Favre has been throwing a lot of interceptions this year, and has always thrown quite a bit of interceptions. But Babe Ruth Struck out more than pretty much anyone too. What im saying is, with great risks comes great triumphs and also great mistakes. Brett got to the Superbowl twice, and won once. He definitely isn't as good, but he's still in the top 5 in the league, maybe even top 3.(although Manning is definitely better right now)

That's a flimsy comparison, because a strikeout in baseball is nowhere near as destructive as a turnover in football. And Favre threw 21 inteceptions last year, so that's really not a viable excuse.

Also, Brett Favre got to the Super Bowl twice...on the basis of an incredible defense. In Super Bowl XXXI against the Pats, Green Bay's defense and special teams virtually won that game, and during the postseason they were so dominant Favre never really had to do much.

Illmatic

12-12-2005, 11:10 PM

And all this talk of INTs, who cares? Honestly. I'd rather have a guy that throws over 30 TD's and 15 INT a year then one that threw 20 TD and 5 INT.

Yeah, who cares about turnovers? it's not like they are destructive to a team or anything.

And I'm sick of all this "Peyton Manning tis the greatest" talk. He's actually not thast great(Though he is very, very smart) QB, think about it. Running back is Edge, 3rd best in league, o-line is best in country, wr's include Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. TE is Dallas Clark, add to that one of the best defenses and you could be in high school and still lead that team

yeah, very funny. Well Mrs. Favre, you have officially been driven into self-parody. Nothing you say can possibly be taken seriously.

3074326

12-13-2005, 12:55 AM

You'd start Brees over Favre!!!!???? Your crazy. I doubt Poethlisberger would do any better either. All Roethlisberger is good for is not throwing INT's, which he has been throwing alot of lately. And I'm sick of all this "Peyton Manning tis the greatest" talk. He's actually not thast great(Though he is very, very smart) QB, think about it. Running back is Edge, 3rd best in league, o-line is best in country, wr's include Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. TE is Dallas Clark, add to that one of the best defenses and you could be in high school and still lead that team.

And all this talk of INTs, who cares? Honestly. I'd rather have a guy that throws over 30 TD's and 15 INT a year then one that threw 20 TD and 5 INT. Oh and just a little stat-line for ya. Favre became the first QB ever to throw more than 3,000 yards a season for 14 seasons. And I guess he still sucks, but oh well.

Wow, your Favre fanboyism is definitely apparant in that post.

Roethlisberger and Brees are both top five in the NFL in passer rating. And you have no room to talk about Roethlisberger throwing INTs when your beloved Brett Favre has 21 on the season..

You're using Peyton Manning's weapons as an excuse? Lame. He calls his own plays for Christ's sake.

I definitely care about INTs. Turning the ball over loses games. Period. Look at the percentages. The team who turns the ball over more loses most of the time.

I was trying to be nice.. but you really need to watch some teams other than the Packers. I don't think Brett Favre is bad, but you honestly criticize me for starting Brees over Favre?

EDIT: Oh, and you know how you said you'd rather have a QB who throws 30 TDs and 15 INTs? Drew Brees is on pace for 27 TDs and 15 INTs. ;)

few_dollars_more

12-13-2005, 04:41 PM

yeah, very funny. Well Mrs. Favre, you have officially been driven into self-parody. Nothing you say can possibly be taken seriously.

You may think it's crazy and dumb, but look at the situation he's in. Yes he's very smart and calls his own plays. Which I applaud, and even admitted that he was very good at. He's also got nice accuracy, but so does anyone with time to throw. But sit down and watch a whole game with the Colts. Every time he's under pressure he gets frantic. He's lucky his O-line is the greatest pass protecting line in the NFL by far. They were even talking about that on NFL Primetime the other night. Thats where they mentioned it. So before you criticize me, critize Chris Berman and Tom Jackson. And I think Stuart Scott may have been on then too.

Illmatic

12-13-2005, 05:00 PM

Oh, I forgot, Brett Favre is an absolutely perfect quarterback when he is under pressure, right? He never makes terrible throws. Ever.

few_dollars_more

12-13-2005, 05:04 PM

Oh, I forgot, Brett Favre is an absolutely perfect quarterback when he is under pressure, right? He never makes terrible throws. Ever.

Have I ever said that. I don't beleive I have. In fact I even said he does make alot of bad decisions. But thats just because he's trying to do too much. He's not great anymore, i've said that also, I'm just tryign to tell everyone that he still can play and deservesd a spot for all he's done for the Packers franchise. But w/e.

Illmatic

12-13-2005, 05:06 PM

He deserves to start for "all he's done"?

Gimme a break.

In the NFL more than any league, "lifetime achievement awards" don't mean dick. If you can't help the team win, it's time to look for the future. Aaron Rodgers should have been starting for a while now. This is only going to hurt the Packers more.

JohnXDoe

12-13-2005, 05:09 PM

Favre is not done. The great ones never go quietly into the night. He might have to make some adjustments to his game, and a real good back-up would be in order wherever he plays, but he is not finished. He's not the player he used to be, but even Montana had some good seasons in Kansas City before he finally packed it up. Favre will be around and be effective for at least a few more seasons if he truly desires it and is prepared to work hard and dedicate himself to the task at hand. He'll need all the help he can get from his offensive line to help protect his old bones, and he may have to take a dive under a heavy rush now and again, but I would like to see the old man stick it out until his tank is empty.

Illmatic

12-13-2005, 05:12 PM

The "great ones" also usually play more diminished roles (Rice, Rickey Henderson).

JohnXDoe

12-13-2005, 05:20 PM

The "great ones" also usually play more diminished roles (Rice, Rickey Henderson).
Yeah. And that's what I'm thinking, too. He may have to accept that if he wants to stay in the game. Might even have to be someones back-up. Wear the headset on the sideline calling plays for some new guy. Which is fine. The last thing he should do is force the issue of being a starter or let his pride get the best of him and insist on being "the man" still. If he knows his place and is willing to accept it no matter the position, and his salary can be dealt with, I would like to see him hang around somewhere, if not Green Bay.

I really think he can still play, though. And I think he can be a winner. And while I admit to being a bit of a bleary eyed romantic when it comes to sports (I thought Micheal was great with the Wizards and still have hope for the Lakers this season) I really think Favre has a shot at reclaiming some of his old glory. If just a bit. And it would be great if he could wrap it up in Green Bay.

Illmatic

12-13-2005, 05:24 PM

Favre won't accept a smaller role, because he believes all the hype about him.

YDload

12-13-2005, 05:38 PM

Maybe his mom will die and he'll have a 500 yard game :-/

Liberi Fatali

12-13-2005, 05:42 PM

Maybe his mom will die and he'll have a 500 yard game :-/
:-/:-/

The one thing Favre does well these days is mentor Rodgers.

niobium

12-13-2005, 05:45 PM

...even in the Super Bowl against the Pats he was virtually invisible after his touchdown to Freeman, Desmond Howard and the Packers D won that game)
1. Favre threw a touchdown to Andre Rison on the opening drive, one of the first plays of the game

2. He also ran one in.

3. You make it seem like the then record 81 yard TD pass to Antonio Freeman wasn't even necessary, or even help.

4. Favre didn't have the injury surrounding him like he has this year (Overstated, but true)

5. (I checked online for this stat) 246 yards, plus the 3 TD's, he wasn't invisible, just because he didn't score. When you're winning, you don't have to score to help your team. Granted it's the Superbowl, but a lot can be said for eating up valuable time. Since the defense caused two interceptions, I would be willing to bet that Favre had the ball for most of the game.

Illmatic

12-13-2005, 06:01 PM

niobium

12-13-2005, 06:09 PM

He completed 14 of 27 passes...he threw two long touchdown passes, but other than that his performance wasn't exactly great. And seeing as how Drew Bledsoe threw four interceptions in that game (I don't know where you got two) and was sacked three times by Reggie White alone (I don't know how many sacks there were total), I'd like to think that the Green Bay defense did their fair share to win.
I got the two interceptions from my memory. I was seven when they won, so I don't remember watching the game. I remember Mark Prior's INT, when he flipped the guy over his back, and then the one that got bobbled around, and ended up in Butler's hands. I don't know who caught that one, but it wasn't Koonce, I think he was injured that game. I didn't even know there were two other ones.

Also, I just learned that Adam Vinateri was in that game. Weird.

few_dollars_more

12-13-2005, 06:11 PM

He completed 14 of 27 passes...he threw two long touchdown passes, but other than that his performance wasn't exactly great. And seeing as how Drew Bledsoe threw four interceptions in that game (I don't know where you got two) and was sacked three times by Reggie White alone (I don't know how many sacks there were total), I'd like to think that the Green Bay defense did their fair share to win.

3 TD's is very good in a SB. I don't know what your rambling on about. The Super Bowl matches the two best teams in the NFL. And if you can score 3 TD's on one of those your doing something right. I don't think he had any INT's either, correct me if I'm wrong. And 14 out of 27 is over 50%, thats not bad, not to good either, but not too bad. And obviously their defense was good, you won't make it that far without one.

few_dollars_more

12-13-2005, 06:13 PM

Also, I just learned that Adam Vinateri was in that game. Weird.

Really? Thats interesting, didn't know that.

Illmatic

12-13-2005, 06:18 PM

Also, I just learned that Adam Vinateri was in that game. Weird.

Yeah, I think '96 was his rookie year.

3 TD's is very good in a SB. I don't know what your rambling on about. The Super Bowl matches the two best teams in the NFL. And if you can score 3 TD's on one of those your doing something right. I don't think he had any INT's either, correct me if I'm wrong. And 14 out of 27 is over 50%, thats not bad, not to good either, but not too bad. And obviously their defense was good, you won't make it that far without one.

He had three touchdowns, two of them came on big plays (one of which being a colossal screwup by the Pats defense if I remember correctly) and one of them on an admittedly strong drive (probably the only time he and the offense looked sharp) that was set up by a Drew Bledsoe interception deep in Green Bay territory.

few_dollars_more

12-13-2005, 06:21 PM

He had three touchdowns, two of them came on big plays (one of which being a colossal screwup by the Pats defense if I remember correctly) and one of them on an admittedly strong drive (probably the only time he and the offense looked sharp) that was set up by a Drew Bledsoe interception deep in Green Bay territory.

Cool, I was 6 when this was going down. I remember watching it I just don't remember every drive. I do remember that Freeman TD though. I bet Favre misses Freeman, what a reliable WR he was.