View Full Version : Derek roddy, your opinion on him?
MuRd0K
11-21-2005, 07:46 PM
Yeah, a friend of mine has to talk about him everytime we get into musical discussions (Me being a bassist, He being a drummer).
I'm not that much of a fan, but that comes because I'm not keen on double bass drumming. But what's your take on him?
Jezen
11-21-2005, 07:48 PM
Hes incredibly boring.
Yeah, a friend of mine has to talk about him everytime we get into musical discussions (Me being a bassist, He being a drummer).
Sounds like your friend has an obsession.
Simple as that.
puppet.master
11-21-2005, 08:01 PM
hes got some usefull videos if your just starting out dbl bass
but not much else
MuRd0K
11-21-2005, 08:02 PM
Can you tell me about some videos that might impress him? Either technically or speed talking.
I also consider him to be a bit boring when playing, and only entertaining when there's some rhythm backing him up.
2001-Lateralus
11-21-2005, 08:02 PM
Very good drummer. But I doubt you'll get many agreeing on here, seeing this isn't really a forum where people really appreciate death metal drumming.
He's my find of the year.
http://www.derekroddy.com - they're are a few video/audio clips there. There is a brilliant live drum-cam clip floating around, but it's not hosted on the guy's server anymore. I have it, but I can't upload a 27mb file due to bandwidth capabilities.
Yea.. cause you know.. he's like the best drummer ever...
Hmm not.
Check out Vinnie, and all the other cats that actually have you know, 1,000's of hit singles, radio songs and so forth... you know, good players.....
MuRd0K
11-21-2005, 08:25 PM
Vinnie Colauita? or Vinnie Paul?
Vinnie Paul has played ona hit single.. what?! Huh?!
TTTSNB
11-21-2005, 08:34 PM
I think he's a very capable drummer, but alot of his playing gets kind of one dimensional, with a few exceptions, like the intro to I Monarch. In terms of endurance and stamina though, he's pretty impressive. A question, Bone, when did a hit single define a player? Many jazz and latin players have never had a hit single, yet they are often amazing drummers.
2001-Lateralus
11-21-2005, 08:46 PM
Well, dm drumming is a very aquired taste. Yes, it can be repetitive in places - boring, not really. Anyway, check out one of the clips where it slows down, and Roddy plays a great 2 minute, improvised outro.
Then again I find Steve Gadd very 'boring' at times. So each to their own.
puppet.master
11-21-2005, 10:22 PM
Very good drummer. But I doubt you'll get many agreeing on here, seeing this isn't really a forum where people really appreciate death metal drumming.
He's my find of the year.
http://www.derekroddy.com - they're are a few video/audio clips there. There is a brilliant live drum-cam clip floating around, but it's not hosted on the guy's server anymore. I have it, but I can't upload a 27mb file due to bandwidth capabilities.
up load the file to http://www.yousendit.com
or http://putfile.com
Det_Nosnip
11-21-2005, 11:20 PM
Hes incredibly boring.
123.
ThisMustBeHeaven
11-21-2005, 11:38 PM
123.
123.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
you just can't say it enough.
Double Bass Jim
11-21-2005, 11:48 PM
Hes incredibly boring.
Indeed
Uninspiring as well.
Det_Nosnip
11-21-2005, 11:59 PM
Yea.. cause you know.. he's like the best drummer ever...
Hmm not.
Check out Vinnie, and all the other cats that actually have you know, 1,000's of hit singles, radio songs and so forth... you know, good players.....
Josiah...that was pointless.
Sponer
11-22-2005, 12:29 AM
Eh, I like him I guess. Well, mostly just the speed. I haven't really seen any really creative things done by him, but I still like him.
Motleyguy
11-22-2005, 01:23 AM
Never heard of this guy, but from what I have read thus far, doesn't really sound like my cup of tea, but meh...to each his own.
Jezen
11-22-2005, 01:25 AM
^^^^
I'll demonstrate.
Raaahh!!!!!#1@#!
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Crash.
Motleyguy
11-22-2005, 01:28 AM
oh...so he is the embodiment of everything I hate?
Jezen
11-22-2005, 01:33 AM
You betcha.
I think he's a very capable drummer, but alot of his playing gets kind of one dimensional, with a few exceptions, like the intro to I Monarch. In terms of endurance and stamina though, he's pretty impressive. A question, Bone, when did a hit single define a player? Many jazz and latin players have never had a hit single, yet they are often amazing drummers.
AH yea that's true it's not a deffinitive messurement.. but surely that must be there. If it sounds THAT good to the MAJORITY of people to make it a hit single.. gotta be something to the people who keep showing up playing on hits right?
Motleyguy
11-22-2005, 01:38 AM
AH yea that's true it's not a deffinitive messurement.. but surely that must be there. If it sounds THAT good to the MAJORITY of people to make it a hit single.. gotta be something to the people who keep showing up playing on hits right?
that's true. Well half true at least. There's alot of bands, Motley Crue, for example, who have plenty of hit singles, and platinum records, but aren't exactly the most musical players in the world. But you do have a good point.
sensitiveorgan00
11-22-2005, 02:49 PM
Eh, I like him I guess. Well, mostly just the speed. I haven't really seen any really creative things done by him, but I still like him.
Exactly. How many of you who constantly bash Roddy has actually heard him play outside of death metal? He is a very capable and versatile player.
Egnar401
11-22-2005, 03:45 PM
I seriously recommend all of you look into Roddy's playing before calling him boring. He can play any style of music, and is often overlooked just because he's a death metal drummer. Go to DerekRoddy.com and listen to the sound clips - he's better than a lot of you would imagine. He's one of my personal favorites.
that's true. Well half true at least. There's alot of bands, Motley Crue, for example, who have plenty of hit singles, and platinum records, but aren't exactly the most musical players in the world. But you do have a good point.
I was refering more so to the session musicians hired to play on songs wich become singles.
Take Stings 'Ten Summoners Tales' - an absolutely incredible album, a big part of that is vinnie's incredible playing. That album alone had like 3 or 4 radio hit's!
You got guys like vinnie, freese, burns, etc these guys have done 1,000's of recording gig's for other people.
Now that says something big time when over 1,000 different people hired you to play their music.
TTTSNB
11-22-2005, 05:31 PM
AH yea that's true it's not a deffinitive messurement.. but surely that must be there. If it sounds THAT good to the MAJORITY of people to make it a hit single.. gotta be something to the people who keep showing up playing on hits right?
Yeah, well of course any drummer who's on a hit single is certainly a great player, but it doesn't mean that a drummer who isn't on hit singles isn't also possibly a great drummer.
Drum Phil
11-22-2005, 05:59 PM
^^^^
I'll demonstrate.
Raaahh!!!!!#1@#!
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Crash.
Oh god i laughed too much at that :upset:
And now my cough wont go away
rohbit
11-22-2005, 07:47 PM
His site seems to have some interesting stuff that's not all blast beats.
FockerTheLopper
11-22-2005, 08:09 PM
Hes incredibly boring.
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Motleyguy
11-22-2005, 08:13 PM
I was refering more so to the session musicians hired to play on songs wich become singles.
Take Stings 'Ten Summoners Tales' - an absolutely incredible album, a big part of that is vinnie's incredible playing. That album alone had like 3 or 4 radio hit's!
You got guys like vinnie, freese, burns, etc these guys have done 1,000's of recording gig's for other people.
Now that says something big time when over 1,000 different people hired you to play their music.
ah alright, point taken.
Pauly
11-22-2005, 08:56 PM
I went to a drum show this year to see Virgil Donati and some jazzy drummers, and I noticed a fair amount of people wearing Slipknot shirts. I thought it was a bit odd, as I didn't realise Derek Roddy would also be playing.
When Derek Roddy starts playing double bass, I see a sea of people stand up (all wearing slipknot shirts) and madly start applauding and screaming. The guy sitting next to me started foaming at the mouth and fell over in an epileptic fit.
As for me, well, I wasn't too impressed.
Det_Nosnip
11-23-2005, 12:12 AM
Exactly. How many of you who constantly bash Roddy has actually heard him play outside of death metal? He is a very capable and versatile player.
I have, and he's just as boring. Keep in mind: I listen to death metal. I almost fell asleep during a clave demonstation of his...
ChrisD
11-23-2005, 12:26 AM
He is a bit boring.But you have to look at the band ..."Hate Eternal".Isaw them live and all of there songs sound alike.He is also a jazz drummer as well apparently.
Some good points I can say about him would be that he's pretty slick at double bass and he answers questions directly on his message board about anything from sex to aliens.:lol:
ChrisD
11-23-2005, 12:28 AM
His site seems to have some interesting stuff that's not all blast beats.
I'll second this.Their is some neat stuff on his site if you look around.
DxRocker
11-23-2005, 03:19 AM
Hes incredibly boring.
But incredibly accurate :)
Come on guys...
Sure he's no Vinnie C or a Dave Weckl or whatever...
But he IS quite good at what he does. Wheter you like that kind of music or not is irrelavent (God knows I hate death blasting too).
The fact the matter is, the guy is great in what he does and is probably among the best in the genre.
Jondur
11-23-2005, 06:16 AM
Derek Roddy is the new Barker or Jordison. Although the difference is he is a really, really good drummer.
If we're using "Is he as good as Vinnie C"? as the basis for a drummer being good then there's perhaps 3 good drummers in the world.
Yes he's a one trick pony but that's because that's what's required to reach the top in death metal drumming. You have to focus on speed because, in general, the music is very fast! Anyway I've never seen Peter Erskine do anything apart from tasteful jazz - what a one-trick pony! And I saw Steve Gadd use double kick - he was really **** at it.
I don't like Hate Eternal. But I can appreciate that Derek Roddy is a very good drummer at his style.
He is very good at what he does best. Which is playing Death Metal.
DxRocker
11-23-2005, 07:25 AM
^exactly.
Not one person on this forum could reproduce what he does.
On the other hand, some of the people on here could play Travis', joey's and Lars' stuff with ease.
So it's seriously unfair to even mention his name in the same sentence as those other three.
Comparing Roddy to guys like Peart, Vinnie C, Mr.weckl, Mr Gadd and soforth is like comparing apples and oranges. Completely pointless
IKilledMyValentine
11-23-2005, 08:54 AM
^^^^ very true.all those guys play different styles.its stupid to compare derek roddy to vinnie
nuclear queef explosion
11-23-2005, 09:50 AM
There are actually a lot of DM fans who find him very boring. While there's no denying his amazing precision and endurance, he could afford be much more creative than he is, even within the confines of Hate Eternal's monotonous DM drudgery. perfect example-> http://www.pillorygrind.com/Pillory_DrumVid.mov
^it certainly held my interest longer than roddy's vids.
DxRocker
11-23-2005, 09:56 AM
yep, he could be more creative, no doubt about that.
But it's his endurance and precision I give him credit for.
Especially the precision. He's also a very "down to earth" kinda guy, wich is also a huge factor for my respect for the dude.
Double Bass Jim
11-23-2005, 04:28 PM
I've never seen Peter Erskine do anything apart from tasteful jazz
Thats a stupid comparison, do you realise how much feel and creativity goes into that kind of playing? The level of dynamic use, independence and control? It's alot more interesting then say... Single strokes at 300 bpm between the ride and snare.
DxRocker
11-23-2005, 05:10 PM
how much feel and creativity goes into that kind of playing? The level of dynamic use, independence and control?
:lol:
yeah... that's definatly not something you want to take as a standard to evaluate roddy's playing :D
BetweenTheEchoes
11-23-2005, 05:49 PM
Thats a stupid comparison, do you realise how much feel and creativity goes into that kind of playing? The level of dynamic use, independence and control? It's alot more interesting then say... Single strokes at 300 bpm between the ride and snare.
This is what is flat out wrong with musicians nowadays. Instead of respecting every style for its own good points, they have to down it by comparing another style and saying "oh this takes more skill, or more creativity, or more technique..."
STOP
Grab Steve Gadd, and ask him to hold steady 16ths on bass at 250 bpm for 5 minutes. See what happens.
Now grab Derek Roddy and ask him to play Schism as cleanly as Carrey does it. See what happens.
Different styles call for different drumming. It's really that simple. If one man spends 3 hours a day practicing his chops, and another man spends 3 hours a day practicing samba beats, who are you to say who is the better drummer? It's all subjective. Just stop bickering and condescending people.
Double Bass Jim
11-23-2005, 05:55 PM
Actually there are MANY players who are fluent in all styles.
Different styles call for different drumming. It's really that simple. If one man spends 3 hours a day practicing his chops, and another man spends 3 hours a day practicing samba beats
A great player will be working on all of these things, you know you have to expand and play as much as you can.
The arugment isnt so much of technique it's about playing the drums as a voice, a creative outlet of expression thats interesting. You know players in DM could be more interesting it is doable. Creative playing in metal has been done take a look at gene hoglan for orginality and groove. He's one of the very few metal players I can listen to and mabey rewind some parts because there so impressive. Listening to some guy play like the terminator robot... Well I don't know about the rest of ya but that just isnt inspiring at all.
DxRocker
11-23-2005, 05:55 PM
Yes, but as a musician (and certainly as a drummer, since there aren't many of us) it is important to be well rounded in a variation of styles.
Learning your instrument is about learning your instrument, not about learning only one part of it.
This is the reason why session players (mostly) will always get WAY more credit then others like Roddy.
You could say that Vinni C is a master at drums, while Roddy is only a master at death metal...
Yes, you could say that Roddy is better then those guys at what HE does, but he gets seriously outdrummed by those people at practically ALL the other aspects of playing drums.
Still no reason for not respecting Roddy imo since he IS really good in his field, although limited.
But it is reason for giving MUCH more respect to the others...
EDIT: was reply to BetweenTheEchoes
Jezen
11-23-2005, 05:57 PM
What about guys with incredible feel that can also play DM better than Derek Roddy?
Donati
Lang
Minneman
Everything_and_Nothing_3:15
11-23-2005, 05:58 PM
^exactly.
Not one person on this forum could reproduce what he does.
On the other hand, some of the people on here could play Travis', joey's and Lars' stuff with ease.
So it's seriously unfair to even mention his name in the same sentence as those other three.
Comparing Roddy to guys like Peart, Vinnie C, Mr.weckl, Mr Gadd and soforth is like comparing apples and oranges. Completely pointless
I totally agree, he's amazing and one of the best death metal players, and also mentioned he's a down to earth guy, he posts pretty often on the virgil boards. Besides the fact that know for playing death metal I think all you guys are just hating on him b/c you can come close to what he plays, not all of you but most, I really doubt that anyone here could blast at 230 for a least a minute.:lol:
DxRocker
11-23-2005, 06:01 PM
BB,
I'm positive those guys can lay it down like roddy, probably even faster.
But what I mean is that Roddy grew up in that aream it is HIS territory. When it comes to writing music like that, I believe it is quite possible that he will be able to come up with parts that will make the "death" aspect come out a lot more.
A guy like Lang will make it sound to good for death :D
Jezen
11-23-2005, 06:05 PM
A guy like Lang will make it sound to good for death
Haha so true!
Loyton
11-23-2005, 06:09 PM
Although i agree with pretty much everyone here, i enjoy derek's playing. I think hes a cool guy. I also respect what all you guys are saying, and im not all pissed off that you think that. Its all good.
p.s. Lang would monsterize death matal.
DxRocker
11-23-2005, 06:12 PM
Haha, I said it as a joke as well, but it IS true though.
Death metal like that just can't have "groove" as we know it from them.
If you think about it, this "death" aspect is a "feel" as well...
In that area, death is quite the opposite of other styles of playing. While those session players are specialised in making the music feel "good", these other dudes like roddy are specialised in making it sound incredibly dirty, mechanical and "bad".
While Vinnie makes you dance, Roddy makes you feel like you want to kill everybody in the room, hahaha :D
For me, it really is a different dimension of playing... A dimension I don't like, but when viewed objectively, quite an impressing one as well.
Funny (and weird) way of presenting it, but you know what I mean...
TTTSNB
11-23-2005, 06:21 PM
What about guys with incredible feel that can also play DM better than Derek Roddy?
Donati
Lang
Minneman
Well hands wise, all of them could do it, but feet wise, not at all. They focus more on dynamic playing with the kick drums.
BetweenTheEchoes
11-23-2005, 06:52 PM
Actually there are MANY players who are fluent in all styles.
A great player will be working on all of these things, you know you have to expand and play as much as you can.
The arugment isnt so much of technique it's about playing the drums as a voice, a creative outlet of expression thats interesting. You know players in DM could be more interesting it is doable. Creative playing in metal has been done take a look at gene hoglan for orginality and groove. He's one of the very few metal players I can listen to and mabey rewind some parts because there so impressive. Listening to some guy play like the terminator robot... Well I don't know about the rest of ya but that just isnt inspiring at all.
I completely agree with you. Drummers should expand and learn various styles. However.
If someone wants to just focus on chops and play death metal and blast beats his whole life, that's his choice. If he's having fun doing it, then leave him alone.
I've played some jazz before. Didn't like it, not my thing. And I don't wanna hear "That's because you weren't feeling it." I have played jazz, and honestly could not get into it. The style was just not for me. I like funk and metal. I can get into those styles. When I play them, I feel good. When I play jazz, I don't. But that's ok, because I get my enjoyment out of playing blast beats to overused power chords.
Can't we all just get along?
Loyton
11-23-2005, 08:18 PM
I love jazz, peter erskine signed my jazz band shirt that i wear to compitions in my jazz band. Jazz is way fun, feely, and great to listen to.
On the other hand, i have loads of roddy videos and I totally idolize that guy for what he has accomplished in his genre, just like peter in his. Both are nice guys. Both are good. Cept i dont have anything signed by derek :(
Terrorzone
11-23-2005, 08:40 PM
Derek Roddy seems to be the center of controversy here. Why can't all you jazzheads just agree he is good at what he does and stop comparing him to Vinnie.
TTTSNB
11-23-2005, 08:56 PM
I went to a drum show this year to see Virgil Donati and some jazzy drummers, and I noticed a fair amount of people wearing Slipknot shirts. I thought it was a bit odd, as I didn't realise Derek Roddy would also be playing.
When Derek Roddy starts playing double bass, I see a sea of people stand up (all wearing slipknot shirts) and madly start applauding and screaming. The guy sitting next to me started foaming at the mouth and fell over in an epileptic fit.
As for me, well, I wasn't too impressed.
Ummm....the average slipknot fan has never heard of Derek Roddy.:)
Double Bass Jim
11-23-2005, 09:21 PM
he is good at what he does and stop comparing him to Vinnie.
Well... Thats beacuse vinnie is great at everything.
I completely agree with you. Drummers should expand and learn various styles. However.
If someone wants to just focus on chops and play death metal and blast beats his whole life, that's his choice. If he's having fun doing it, then leave him alone.
Those two things contradict each other, the whole reason im in this argument is trying to get people to learn more. I don't know about you guys but as a musician I want to take in and learn as much as possible. Sitting there playing blast beats all day won't make you accel as a player, you've gotta balance what your doing. We should all be striving to be the next vinnies, weckls ect ect... Don't sell yourself short and play the same crap everyday. Expand your knowledge and become better, thats what drives me to be a better player everyday.
Oh and anoher thing, you hear guys say "I played jazz..." Well im sorry but I bet a good 90% of the people who say that are in the same boat as jordison, spangalangin on the ride isnt jazz... Theres A LOT more to it then that.
GuynamedGuy
11-23-2005, 09:31 PM
yeah im gonna have to disagree on the whole hit single thing because most people who listen to radio could give 2 $hits and a fock about drumming or anything having to do with the music, they just think it's cool or hey it's loud and my parents hate it. I would actually go as far as to say if you listen to most radio stations the bands on there are very lack luster and more of the fad at the minute. One thing thats always bugged me was how people talk trash about other peoples passions. Lifes all about differences and some people have to learn to respect that. Another key point holding back alot of musicians. Just sit back shut your mouth and learn anything you can. Absorb things. Don't just cut people down.
but back to the subject of roddy, umm i guess for the deathmetal style he is good, but I wasn't super impressed with his other drumming vids on his site. Just like anything you got boxed in and your gonna be one dimmensional.
BTW I just heard the band mastodon and i really liked the mitch mitchell esque drum fills
BetweenTheEchoes
11-23-2005, 09:37 PM
Well... Thats beacuse vinnie is great at everything.
Those two things contradict each other, the whole reason im in this argument is trying to get people to learn more. I don't know about you guys but as a musician I want to take in and learn as much as possible. Sitting there playing blast beats all day won't make you accel as a player, you've gotta balance what your doing. We should all be striving to be the next vinnies, weckls ect ect... Don't sell yourself short and play the same crap everyday. Expand your knowledge and become better, thats what drives me to be a better player everyday.
Oh and anoher thing, you hear guys say "I played jazz..." Well im sorry but I bet a good 90% of the people who say that are in the same boat as jordison, spangalangin on the ride isnt jazz... Theres A LOT more to it then that.
Listen, I really do agree with you. I have the same mentality. I want to expand myself, as do many drummers.
My point however, is that what makes the drummer happy with what he is doing should be the determining factor of his playing, not someone telling him he doesn't listen to enough samba or doesn't practice enough polyrhythms.
Music, above all, is about enjoyment.
Ghoul Hunter
11-23-2005, 09:46 PM
He's one of my all time favorite drummers.
Jondur
11-24-2005, 04:31 AM
Thats a stupid comparison, do you realise how much feel and creativity goes into that kind of playing? The level of dynamic use, independence and control? It's alot more interesting then say... Single strokes at 300 bpm between the ride and snare.
Well Jim, I may have been a little bit (well a lot) facetious with that remark. I am a big Peter Erskine fan and have been lucky enough to see him play live. And yes I've done jazz gigs, death metal gigs, folk gigs etc in my nearly 15 years of playing. And in the jazz gigs I've not busted out the double kicks and in the death metal gigs I've not ghosted on the snare. What matters is what fits and what Roddy does fits!
Now you keep mentioning Hoglan (you really should be giving your props to Sean Reinhert as it was he who broke the death metal drumming mold!) but he's never really played in a band who is even half as extreme as Hate Eternal. Death were never that extreme and the albums from Human onwards were when Death were moving away from the style they helped create.
Death metal has become more and more extreme as bands try to push the boundaries, the drumming has had to keep up. Whether or not you like it is irrelevant. I don't particularly like sweep picking and fretboard histrionics but I'm not going to say John Petrucci is a bad guitarist and compare him to Robben Ford.
I mentioned Travis Barker in my original post because your criticism would be valid if we were talking about him. Barker is neither the best or the fastest. But Derek Roddy is easily one of the best death metal drummers. Put it this way he'd breeze through any of Gene's parts without breaking sweat.
If we refused to give credit to any drummer who wasn't as good as Vinnie C then this would be a very spartan forum!
I rarely come in this forum for this very reason, I'm no Roddy fanboy (I don't like that style of death metal particularly - I like Old School death metal) but dismissing a good drummer because you don't like the style of music is stupid. I don't really like A Perfect Circle but I'll happily admit that Josh Freese is a good drummer.
I used to put thought towards stuff like this.. but then I was shown something.
There are drummers out there, who can play things that you have not heard before, that would literally blow you away. There is playing that exists out there in the world that is far beyond what's being debated here.
DxRocker
11-24-2005, 04:57 AM
The problem I think most people have with Roddy is that it's difficult to say "He's a good drummer" with leaving out the death metal part as in "He's a good death metal drummer".
That's why the comparisions with Vinnie C always pop up in these threads. He might be an extreme example, but the comparision is imo not to be viewed in a technical sense. It's the all-roundness that matters.
While Roddy shines in one particular (limited) style, Vinnie and the others shine a very wide variety of styles. In fact, just give them a piece of music and they will play it...
But indeed, still no reason to show disrespect towards Roddy. He IS good at what he does and deserves credit for that, even though his capabilities are limited.
BONE: indeed, but at the same time, you can count the amount of drummers who were innovative in that sense on 10 fingers. 99.9% of us are just doing what has been done before by this very small group of innovative musicians. There are people who come up with new stuff, these are the very few, the "legends"
Then there are those that take what these guys did and put it in a new light, these are more common.
Then there are those that just take what the two prior groups have done, try to master it and apply that in there own music. These are the vast majority.
Double Bass Jim
11-24-2005, 05:00 AM
While Roddy shines in one particular (limited) style, Vinnie and the others shine a very wide variety of styles. In fact, just give them a piece of music and they will play it...
Bingo thats it man ^^
The truly great players.
Oh Since you are talking about vince.
You all check this out:
http://www.houseofdrumming.com/mp3s/vinnieclinic2.mp3
There is no disscussion between derek and vinnie, regaurdless of the type of music. There is no question as to who has more technical skill at playing a drumset.
DxRocker
11-24-2005, 05:07 AM
I don't have sound here, but I don't even need to hear that.
I don't need proof to know that Vinnie will wipe the floor with Roddy :)
Gonna check that mp3 out tonight though, always great to hear "the man" play :thumb:
^^^^
I'll demonstrate.
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Crash.
oh my god haha :lol:
well my friend sent me a video today of him and hes like man hes so decent and i looked at the video andit was booooring man. it was the same thing over and over it was like blast beat for liek 30 seconds then like 4 tom hits then back to the same blast beat.
Loyton
11-24-2005, 01:50 PM
Oh Since you are talking about vince.
You all check this out:
http://www.houseofdrumming.com/mp3s/vinnieclinic2.mp3
There is no disscussion between derek and vinnie, regaurdless of the type of music. There is no question as to who has more technical skill at playing a drumset.
Great clip.
metdrummer
11-24-2005, 07:16 PM
Derek is highly under rated...
People who think hes only a speed freak are idiots, it states on his site that he isnt. He has various clips and audio clips on his site showing his Jazz and Latin and groove skills. Very highly undderated.
He once said that he when he plays drums, hes playing death metal 10% of the time and other styles such as jazz for 90% of the time.
SonorKen
11-24-2005, 10:15 PM
Derek is a great player as well as a great person. I have had the chance to talk with him some on the net, he is a genuine nice guy. Plus he plays some killer drums!!
Loyton
11-24-2005, 10:41 PM
damn right ken. I was so pumped about it when he responded personally to one of my questions, i just get such a kick outta things like that. Id rather meet him in life than....... brittney spears.
Det_Nosnip
11-24-2005, 10:54 PM
Haha, I said it as a joke as well, but it IS true though.
Death metal like that just can't have "groove" as we know it from them.
If you think about it, this "death" aspect is a "feel" as well...
In that area, death is quite the opposite of other styles of playing. While those session players are specialised in making the music feel "good", these other dudes like roddy are specialised in making it sound incredibly dirty, mechanical and "bad".
While Vinnie makes you dance, Roddy makes you feel like you want to kill everybody in the room, hahaha :D
For me, it really is a different dimension of playing... A dimension I don't like, but when viewed objectively, quite an impressing one as well.
Funny (and weird) way of presenting it, but you know what I mean...
Although I admire you for trying, I'm afraid to say that I disagree with you completely. The premise that people who make the music sound "good" are incapable of making it sound "bad" is, quite simply, false. People like Colaiuta, Gadd, etc dedicate their lives to one thing and one thing alone: control. Being able to groove is able being aware of where you are in comparison to the music, and being able to move around within that space in order to create different feelings. Playing metal is no different than playing jazz, funk, or latin...it's simply a matter of knowing where to place the notes. It would take Vinnie Colaiuta one listen, and one listen alone, to a metal record in order to know how to play the particular style.
The best metal players possess the exact same types of skills as the best jazz, fusion, latin, or funk players. Jim cited Gene Hoglan as a good example...Sean Reinert would be another, Martin Lopez, and lately one player that I've been enjoying alot of is Van Williams from Nevermore. Probably the best example, however, would be Tomas Haake from Meshuggah. Calling Meshuggah's music "mechanical" would be an understatement...that is the feel that they are going for, and they do it very well, whether you like it or not.
Now, perhaps citing Haake was a bad idea, as it could be argued, as you are doing, that Roddy simply plays mechanically because that is the feel that Hate Eternal's music calls for. The problem that I have with him is that, having heard Roddy performing in other styles, I'm convinced that this is not the case; rather, to the contrary, he plays this way because he has no groove.
DxRocker
11-25-2005, 02:49 AM
Now, perhaps citing Haake was a bad idea, as it could be argued, as you are doing, that Roddy simply plays mechanically because that is the feel that Hate Eternal's music calls for. The problem that I have with him is that, having heard Roddy performing in other styles, I'm convinced that this is not the case; rather, to the contrary, he plays this way because he has no groove.
Well, I'm gonna start by saying that I agree that the message I was trying to bring didn't get out. The words I used were not right.
I basicly agree with you though. I've never said that Roddy chooses to play mechanical because that is the feel the music is calling for. I've said that just plays mechanical because that is what the music is calling for. I've never mentioned "choice". I've never said that the dude could lay down a groovy funky beat as the drummer of James Brown and make it feel good...
Playing death metal is his profession and the path he choose to take. So that is where he focused on, resulting in the Roddy we know today.
I've said on multiple occasion on this forum: be a drummer, not a "metal drummer" or a "punk drummer" or whatever, but just a "drummer".
I'm actually totally against people who choose to go for one style only and try to specialise in that one as if the rest is not important.
Roddy however has done this with succes. In the death scene, he is viewed as one of the very best in the genre, and that is something I give him credit for. I will always call him an "awesome death metal drummer". But I will never call him an "awesome drummer" :)
And I've never heared him play jazz or latin, but now I want to.
metdrummer
11-25-2005, 06:04 AM
Roddy has allot more groove than most of you will ever hear. Thats a fact, if you have seen his 'other' videos.
Jezen
11-25-2005, 07:10 AM
^^^^
Uhuh....:smoke:
DxRocker
11-25-2005, 07:30 AM
Roddy has allot more groove than most of you will ever hear.
sure he has... :rolleyes:
Det_Nosnip
11-25-2005, 12:35 PM
Roddy has allot more groove than most of you will ever hear. Thats a fact, if you have seen his 'other' videos.
Actually, he doesn't. Yes, I have seen the videos.
Dx: Ok, fair enough. :)
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