Avant-Garde Metal [Archive] - Music & Musician Forums

Kingofdudes

11-20-2005, 07:58 PM

Lately I have been getting into a lot of Avant-Garde Metal, and I would like to talk about it more, so I made this thread.

Avant-Garde metal seems to have been exploding lately. Age of Silence, Solefald, Subterranean Masquerade, and Arcturus have all released albums/EPs within the last few months. I would have to say that the Subterranean Masquerade release "Suspended Animation Dreams" has been the best one I have heard out of the recent releases, though the Age of Silence EP "Complications: Trilogy of Intricacy" has the best lyrics(Shopping \m/).

As for the future, I am looking forward to the next full length Age of Silence album, and Solefald - Black for Death : An Icelandic Odyssey part 2.

So yeah, discuss Avant-Garde Metal.

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jcs497

11-20-2005, 08:07 PM

Excursions

11-20-2005, 08:09 PM

I heard about this style of music recently, sounds pretty decent so far from what I have heard considering im not a huge metal fan.

Kingofdudes

11-20-2005, 08:12 PM

I love avant garde so much, I wish I had money because I feel bad downloading it all (most of it is somewhat attainable). I haven't heard Age of Silence or Subterrainean Masquerade, though. I'd like to.
http://www.myspace.com/subterraneanmasquerade
http://www.myspace.com/ageofsilence
Both have song samples, but they arent close to their best work.

Dr. Jake Destructo

11-20-2005, 08:17 PM

My favorite genre as of late. I'd have to say that my favorite avant garde album is The Sham Mirrors by Arcturus. They're also one of my current favorite bands.

Do you know when AoS's next album is due out?

Elnimio

11-20-2005, 08:21 PM

Good Avant-Garde bands:

Carnival in Coal
Winds
Windham Hell
Arcturus
Sigh
Devil Doll
Gordian Knot
Gorguts
Kekal
Lunaris
Lux Occulta
Maudlin of the Well
Mithras
...In The Woods
Pan-Thy-Monium
Ram-Zet
Kayo Dot
Green Carnation
Unexpect

Kingofdudes

11-20-2005, 08:24 PM

I forgot about Winds. I got Reflections of the I during my last CD order.

Do you know when AoS's next album is due out?
I havent seen any official comments about it, but I think The2Stranger said it is due out during the spring.

Arrakakaka

11-20-2005, 08:33 PM

Peccatum is plainy amazing. No one mentioned them.

jcs497

11-20-2005, 08:34 PM

jcs497

11-20-2005, 08:35 PM

Peccatum is plainy amazing. No one mentioned them.
They bore me...

Elnimio

11-20-2005, 08:37 PM

Carnival In Coal is simply amazing.

How the hell are the bold ones avant garde?

Oops, Gordian Knot aren't exaclty avant-garde, but MIthras and Gorguts are both Avant-Garde death metal. Especially Gorgut's last album. Have you even heard them?

Dr. Jake Destructo

11-20-2005, 08:40 PM

Gordian Knot are just kind of insturmental prog metal. Avant Garde has a very distinct sound...I think the word "wierd" would fit it perfectly. :lol:

jcs497

11-20-2005, 08:42 PM

Oops, Gordian Knot aren't exaclty avant-garde, but MIthras and Gorguts are both Avant-Garde death metal. Especially Gorgut's last album. Have you even heard them?
Just because they're a bit odd and dissonant doesn't make them avant garde. I admit, I haven't heard a lot of Mithras (only a couple songs, although they are frequently compared to Morbid Angel), but there's no way Gorguts is avant garde. At least Obscura anyways (the only one I have to judge by).

Kingofdudes

11-20-2005, 08:43 PM

Gordian Knot are just kind of insturmental prog metal. Avant Garde has a very distinct sound...I think the word "wierd" would fit it perfectly. :lol:
I prefer "abstract"itmakesmefeelsmarter:-/

Matas

11-20-2005, 09:02 PM

my fave ones are Arcturus, and Lux Occulta i guess....
Someone said Unexpect, and they seem less avant-guarde than the others , but who cares, they kick *** anyway!
and someone also said Gorguts, who kick major ***, except i dont see whats so avant-guarde about them, except if we go back in the day maybe...? anywho, they are a kick *** tech death band! quite dissonant at some parts, without sounding annoying like DEP or Ion Dissonance

Dr. Jake Destructo

11-20-2005, 09:44 PM

I wouldn't go as far as to say DEP sound annoying. It's all about finding the beauty beneath the chaos. :cool:

/probably sounds very cliche

Apocalyptic Raids

11-20-2005, 10:18 PM

Just because they're a bit odd and dissonant doesn't make them avant garde. I admit, I haven't heard a lot of Mithras (only a couple songs, although they are frequently compared to Morbid Angel), but there's no way Gorguts is avant garde. At least Obscura anyways (the only one I have to judge by).
As far as Death metal goes, those bands are more than "a bit" odd.

Floydfanatic

11-20-2005, 10:20 PM

ephel duath

Supreven

11-20-2005, 10:21 PM

So what differentiates Avant-Garde from other genres of metal? I'm not familar with the style

Unnamed_One

11-20-2005, 10:23 PM

If you guys enjoy Avantgarde Metal then I suggest that you check out "Thy Catafalque," they are a Hungarian based metal band that recorded an 8 song self-released album that was only limited to around 15 copies. However, in a bid to get signed, they officially posted their album on a Hungarian site. However, I would exercise caution in downloading it as I only heard that it was official from various people, as I do not speak Hungarian. Definitely worth a listen to any fan. Scroll down to "T" listing and download the links numbered 1 through 8. http://www.shockmagazin.hu/english/download/download.htm

Dancin' Man

11-20-2005, 10:52 PM

Hahahaa.... love for Carnival in Coal. I was hanging out with my friends andthey all of a sudden mentioned Yes! We Have No Bananas and I was amazed they knew who Carnival In Coal was. Then they said they got the song from me.

Sleepytime Gorilla Museum

Also, I say Obscura is avant-garde. The riffing style relies so heavily on noises rather than notes that the fact that it then comes full circle to melody again is shocking. Mithras though, I say no. They justy have long drone tracks between songs.

PIGS(1 different one)

11-20-2005, 11:15 PM

I'm a big fan of avante garde metal, maudlin of the well are another amazing group... probably my favorite in the genre.

Hey KoD, whats your AIM?

I'm really interested in hearing that Age of Silence ep.

Daven

11-20-2005, 11:17 PM

Im not a big fan of Avant Garde besides of Arcturus and Solefald. But i must say both bands are amazing. Lately i've been getting into Ephel Duat and heard good things about Gordian Knot so i'll check them out later.

Unnamed_One

11-20-2005, 11:23 PM

Man, you guys are truly missing out on Thy Catafalque....

Dr. Jake Destructo

11-20-2005, 11:24 PM

http://www.last.fm/group/Mx%2BR%2526Mers/forum/23419/_/62402/1

Read that. I think you'll find it rather useful, PIGS. There's a link to the EP there. If that doesn't work, drop your email, and I'll get it to you ASAP.

Unnamed_One

11-20-2005, 11:59 PM

Dolorian anyone? When All The Laughter Has Gone is a great one from them, a bit moreso than their self-titled, but is much harder to get as I caught an original online for $30

periculosus

11-21-2005, 12:55 AM

correct me if i'm wrong but the red paintings isnt avant garde i think theyre a kick *** band

Stoic

11-21-2005, 02:22 AM

Gorguts (last two albums) are absolutely avant garde. Dont forget Diabolical Masquerade!

Apocalyptic Raids

11-21-2005, 02:39 AM

Gorguts (last two albums) are absolutely avant garde. Dont forget Diabolical Masquerade!
I though that was Bartender for a second.

:-o

Moondog

11-21-2005, 04:32 AM

Sleepytime Gorilla Museum and Fantomas seem to have a good following right now. Also Mr. Bungle dabble heavily in metal and avant-garde and are cult legends.

Bartender

11-21-2005, 04:47 AM

I can't seem to get into Sleepytime Gorilla Museum.

So what differentiates Avant-Garde from other genres of metal? I'm not familar with the style

It's not so much a genre, really. Avant garde as a phrase means something along the lines of pushing boundaries, being before it's time, that general area of cliches. As music, avant garde can be pretty much anything. In fact that's more or less the point of it.

KuroTheBassist

11-21-2005, 06:20 AM

Japan is way ahead of the field in this genre, IMO. Check out:

Ruins
Korekyojinn
Hanatarash
Nikudorei
Breakfast
Otomo Yoshihide
Koenji Hyakkei
Noism
Happy Family
Bondage Fruit
Boredoms

Epicurus

11-21-2005, 06:32 AM

My favorite is probably Alchemist.

Jondur

11-21-2005, 07:51 AM

I'm counting In the Woods as avant garde as I haven't yapped on about them for a bit!

All hail "Strange in Stereo"! Some people prefer Omnio but I think Strange in Stereo is their masterpiece.

i am the robots

11-21-2005, 07:55 AM

All I have to say about avant garde is:

Age of Silence
Winds
Ulver
Subterranean Masquerade
Frantic Bleep
Arcturus
Peccatum (old was Goth Metal, new is Avantgarde)

I have to say that Frantic Bleep is ridiculously awesome, the drumming almost always sounds out of place, yet it always fits perfectly.

EDIT: Would you consider Ark to be avantgarde?

Bartender

11-21-2005, 07:59 AM

i am the robots

11-21-2005, 08:02 AM

I think their electronica material could be considered avant garde though... it's just weird enough, but meh, I could be wrong.

Also, still wondering, would Ark be avant garde, or just really weird prog?

Txus

11-21-2005, 10:04 AM

I'm getting more and more into Avant Garde specially into Age of Silence and Solefald both such amazing bands.

Cocaine

11-21-2005, 10:21 AM

I'm not sure if I'd call Ulver avant garde. They've made a few black metal albums, an acousticy folk album, and a couple of electronic-ish albums. If it was all thrown together you could tag it as avant garde, but as it is they just seem a rather adaptable group.
For the most part I'd agree, but there's just something about Blood Inside that strikes me as avante-garde, I dont really know what it is. Either way, Ulver are amazing.

deathscreamingsheep

11-21-2005, 12:01 PM

Cocaine

11-21-2005, 01:48 PM

Is there anywhere I can download Carnival of Coal's songs? I heard Yes! We have no bananas once and it sounded pretty awesome so I thought I'd download it and give it a proper listen before buying any of their albums.
Well, soulseek's the only thing that comes to mind. I've got some stuff of their's on soulseek, so lintmunro is the name if you're interested.

Prince of Darkness

11-21-2005, 02:01 PM

NOUN:

A group active in the invention and application of new techniques in a given field, especially in the arts.

That explains Arcturus for me. lol

bamboomonkey

11-21-2005, 02:07 PM

Carnival In Coal!! Woot! Their cover of 'F**king Hostile' is sooooo much better than Pantera's version. You used to be able to download 'F**kable' off their official website. Another excellent song.

Furthermore, more bands to check out
Estradasphere
Secret Chiefs 3
Lightning Bolt
Painkiller
The Locust
An Albatross
Melt Banana
Keelhaul (a little bit)
Sikth

Bartender

11-21-2005, 02:09 PM

^Noise isn't really the same as avant-garde, though.

Some good bands there, though.

elbassio

11-21-2005, 02:12 PM

ephel duath

Jazz metal.

I always thought of Oxbow as kind of Avante Garde, but correct me if I'm wrong. Either way Oxbow are great.

jcs497

11-21-2005, 02:20 PM

Japan is way ahead of the field in this genre, IMO. Check out:

Ruins
Korekyojinn
Hanatarash
Nikudorei
Breakfast
Otomo Yoshihide
Koenji Hyakkei
Noism
Happy Family
Bondage Fruit
Boredoms
The only one of those I've heard was Boredoms, and they were so freaking terrible it's not even funny. They didn't sound avant garde at all....it was just like a half hour of static.

cicatriz

11-21-2005, 02:23 PM

Kayo Dot are incredible. They're avant-garde, right? I'm no good at genres.

Cocaine

11-21-2005, 02:26 PM

Kayo Dot are incredible. They're avant-garde, right? I'm no good at genres.
I'd say so.

Bartender

11-21-2005, 02:27 PM

Avant garde enough, sure.

jcs - I'm not surprised you don't like noise, really.

jcs497

11-21-2005, 02:30 PM

Avant garde enough, sure.

jcs - I'm not surprised you don't like noise, really.
You're not surprised? Should you be?:confused:

The main point was that it didn't sound like any avant garde I've heard before.

Bartender

11-21-2005, 02:33 PM

You're not surprised? Should you be?:confused:

Not necessarily. I suppose I just meant that if I had to have chosen one person (other than my grandmother or someone like that) who I'd bet wouldn't like noise, I may well have chosen you :)

jcs497

11-21-2005, 02:43 PM

Not necessarily. I suppose I just meant that if I had to have chosen one person (other than my grandmother or someone like that) who I'd bet wouldn't like noise, I may well have chosen you :)
I wasn't aware that anybody knew me that well:p

Nah, I listen to plenty of grind, avant garde, and prog (and they're all similar to noise in one way or another)....it's just that I know when to draw a line. Next time I want to fall asleep to random static noises, I'll just unplug my television cable.

And for the record, I'm sure there's plenty of classic rock fanboys that dislike noise more than me.

beaNN

11-21-2005, 03:56 PM

black\m/metal

11-21-2005, 10:35 PM

Who doesn't like arcturus is a better question than who likes them.
For they are simply amazing. Wouldnt Wood of Ypres & Agalloch be avant-garde? i mean, not like this other list of bands, but i cant erally fit them in another genre either.

KuroTheBassist

11-22-2005, 06:12 AM

The only one of those I've heard was Boredoms, and they were so freaking terrible it's not even funny. They didn't sound avant garde at all....it was just like a half hour of static.

There are two bands that go under the name 'Boredoms'. I'm guessing you heard the other one.

Care to explain what makes Keelhaul avant-garde?

The Dark Philosopher

11-22-2005, 07:35 AM

So, has anyone ever heard of Raventhrone?

Kingofdudes

11-22-2005, 07:40 AM

When I get home, ill set up a way to share YSI songs, so we can all hear these different bands. I will more than likely just make a thread on the R&M last.fm group for it.

Apocalyptic Raids

11-22-2005, 07:45 AM

Sounds great!

i am the robots

11-22-2005, 07:50 AM

Once more, is Ark avant garde or just progressive metal?

Kingofdudes

11-22-2005, 07:52 AM

Once more, is Ark avant garde or just progressive metal?
I havent heard them, MA says Prog.

i am the robots

11-22-2005, 07:53 AM

Ah, OK... I wasn't quite sure, they're pretty weird, but I guess not weird enough... they're pretty good.

The Dark Philosopher

11-22-2005, 10:01 AM

Once more, is Ark avant garde or just progressive metal?
They are definently progressive.

the2stranger

11-22-2005, 10:04 AM

how could I not post in this thread?:D:D

I must really buy some new Avant-Garde, as a matter of fact I haven't bought cds for about two months :eek:

I Listened Peccatum - Starngling From Within (cd) again today, good stuff.

The Dark Philosopher

11-22-2005, 10:09 AM

the2stranger

11-22-2005, 10:35 AM

I could have bought that yesterday. But it was $20 and I already had 7 other cds I was buying.
curse expensive cds!
how do they expect us poor students to buy hard copies, if they're so expensive?

bamboomonkey

11-22-2005, 12:53 PM

Yeah, Keelhaul aren't that avant-garde. Sorry.

Don't suppose anyone would care to name any of those genre-leaping bands that aren't Mr. Bungle, Estradasphere, Secret Chiefs 3 or Carnival In Coal? It's something I am really, really getting into but can't find too much info.

Until now......... (hopes)

Bartender

11-22-2005, 12:59 PM

^Sleepytime Gorilla Museum would be the first to come to mind, I think.

bamboomonkey

11-22-2005, 01:04 PM

Aha, ordered their two albums the other day, just awaiting their stuff to arrive in the post.

the2stranger

11-22-2005, 01:10 PM

Sleeptime is awesome, I can't find original cds anywhere though :(

synzephyr

11-22-2005, 02:02 PM

Once more, is Ark avant garde or just progressive metal?

i would like to know that,too.
and if its avantgarde metal, are their any bands similar to Ark? I would love to listen to them!

[edit] I overlooked the answer that Ark are progressive.

Dr. Jake Destructo

11-24-2005, 02:38 PM

I want to hear Sleepytime Gorilla Museum now, from what everyone is saying about them. :p I'll be waiting for the YSI thread on Audioscrobbler, Aaron.

/bumps

bamboomonkey

11-24-2005, 02:58 PM

They're not exactly metal, but they sure are avant-garde: The Tiger Lillies.

Victorian Folk/Blues/Jazz with insane falsetto vocals about serial killers. Get in

superpeer

11-24-2005, 02:59 PM

Avant garde metal I like: Arcturus, Maudlin of the Well, Carnival in Coal,...

:)

Kingofdudes

11-24-2005, 03:07 PM

Sorry for the lack of activity, work has been owning me up the ***. Im gonna upload the new Solefald album, and start the last.fm Avant Garde YSI thread.

I will be uploading the Subterranean Masquerade album too.

edit: ugh, its gonna have to wait till tonight

Dr. Jake Destructo

11-24-2005, 03:53 PM

I'd love to hear some more SM. Awake is just such a mindblowing track, and the production and mixing is absolutely amazing in my opinion.

Kingofdudes

11-25-2005, 02:40 PM

http://www.last.fm/group/Mx%2BR%2526Mers/forum/23419/_/63112

First upload is up. Everyone check out Subterranean Masquerade's first full length album, Suspended Animation Dreams.

I encourage everyone else to share bands on there aswell.

deejuks2

11-25-2005, 06:55 PM

Well there's Fantomas, Sleepytime Gorrila Museum, Faxed Head and the Locust, of course....

periculosus

11-25-2005, 10:39 PM

hey is the red paintings avante gard. if not what genre are they?!??!?!?!!?!?!?!?

Txus

11-25-2005, 10:45 PM

hey is the red paintings avante gard. if not what genre are they?!??!?!?!!?!?!?!?
I'm not pretty shure in what genre they may fall in but i think they are Alt. but nowhere near Avant Garde that's for shure.

Dr. Jake Destructo

11-25-2005, 10:49 PM

Has anyone heard of Sol Invictus? I've only heard a few songs, mostly courtesy of Dancin' Man, but I really like what I've heard so far. Very avant garde sounding stuff. I'd reccomend it to anyone who's into Age of Silence, because for some reason, I think of AoS when I listen to Sol Invictus. :p

Bartender

11-26-2005, 05:24 AM

I've heard a couple of Sol Invictus songs, courtesy of the same. They were good, but not good enough to get me searching for an album or anything.