What happened to just punk?

[holy_roller99]

i jsut looked at the band forums thread at the top and saw how many different genres of punk rock there are. i mean there is so many: classic punk, street punk, proto punk, hardcore, etc. it just seems a bit much to me. how many here find it wierd?

[Brain Toad]

Not at all. Sub-genres are great ways of branching out from such a limited sound like punk.

[holy_roller99]

i guess but it seems it has gotten a little bit too complicated. it's not about limiting it's bout such a diverse expansion. like when i first got into punk it was the music i found i had liked since i was younger and i was bored with the regular crap they put out on the radio. to me it was punk not hardcore, or proto punk.. just punk.

[Brain Toad]

But if you listen to plain punk that has no influences from any other type of music (besides the genres that initally inspired punk) it get's really boring after a few years. Even branching to maybe hardcore-punk or street-punk, you get bored eventually.

[Culture Shock]

Punk should never be limited or restricted yet at the same time we shouldn't be putting up so many fences and dividing lines.

[elcapitan]

agreed, it just breeds more rivalry and disrespect of other sub genres

[DrGolovaCroxby]

not dividing lines, descriptive terms. for example, the adicts and the casualties are both punk bands, but they play very different music. when describing the sound of a band, subgenres are very useful. they shouldn't be all inclusive or set in stone, but they give you an idea what kind of music they play.

[Mannik]

not dividing lines, descriptive terms. for example, the adicts and the casualties are both punk bands, but they play very different music. when describing the sound of a band, subgenres are very useful. they shouldn't be all inclusive or set in stone, but they give you an idea what kind of music they play.

Good metaphor/similie/whatever

[fatwreckpunk]

i think its a great idea sub genres, cos it defines a band roughly to people that may have never heard them that may prefer ska punk to just hardcore punk or whatever. There are more and more genres i hear everyday that i didnt know existed

[Bad Blood]

Punk is such a wide genre now, it can't just be categorized "just punk".

[sketchyjoe]

i jsut looked at the band forums thread at the top and saw how many different genres of punk rock there are. i mean there is so many: classic punk, street punk, proto punk, hardcore, etc. it just seems a bit much to me. how many here find it wierd?
"Classic punk" is just punk. What happened to it is some idiot gave it a new name.

[smokersdieyounger]

i jsut looked at the band forums thread at the top and saw how many different genres of punk rock there are. i mean there is so many: classic punk, street punk, proto punk, hardcore, etc. it just seems a bit much to me. how many here find it wierd?

They are all 'Just Punk' because punk is not constricted by genres.

[Brain Toad]

not dividing lines, descriptive terms. for example, the adicts and the casualties are both punk bands, but they play very different music. when describing the sound of a band, subgenres are very useful. they shouldn't be all inclusive or set in stone, but they give you an idea what kind of music they play.

This is how I think of genres. I won't confine a band to one genre, but they are needed to describe the different styles and flavors that many bands have.

[Aus Rotten]

Not at all. Sub-genres are great ways of branching out from such a limited sound like punk.

Agreed, because Punk is very broad. If we just called all these bands punk, there would be no way to categorize different sounds. For example, Dropdead is much different than say NOFX, but both are punk bands, but have extremely different sounds. It's also easier to recommend bands to people with sub-genres, for example, i'd suggest other pop-punk bands to people who like NOFX, and i'd suggest crustier/grindcore-ish bands for people who like Dropdead. It's the varying sounds really that warrant separate genres.

[Anti-Prefix]

It's only there to help. If you like a certain classification of punk, then similar artists will be easier to find with subgenres. That and their influences differ.

[SantaDuJuan]

Such genres gave birth to subgenres.
All sub names divide but all main names unite.
Anarcho Punk refers to Anarcho Punks
Street Punk refers to Street Punks

Simple as that.

[Pete]

If I'm to describe a band to someone, I could seriosuly categorize it to no end, putting different pre- and suffixes to the genre. As long as the person I'm explaining it to understands it, I see nothing wrong in over-the-top genre-making. Making a list like that would be lame though, since every band would be it's own genre.

[AIRIC]

Me either, but most people that I tell exact genres to have no idea what I'm talking about.

I hate putting TBS into a genre. Everyone calls them emo, and I just don't like telling them that they're not.

[Pete]

Uhm, they're like post-power-pop, or maybe nu-emo-rock.

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[Brain Toad]

If I'm to describe a band to someone, I could seriosuly categorize it to no end, putting different pre- and suffixes to the genre. As long as the person I'm explaining it to understands it, I see nothing wrong in over-the-top genre-making. Making a list like that would be lame though, since every band would be it's own genre.

That's why you have to really generalise for list making and such, but when recommending a band directly you can say "well they are pop-punk, but have a heavier sound" etc.

[victimofreality]

Bad Religion

[ibanezman575]

one bad thing though is when people criticize other styles of punk

[Anarcho Poser]

Me either, but most people that I tell exact genres to have no idea what I'm talking about.

I hate putting TBS into a genre. Everyone calls them emo, and I just don't like telling them that they're not.
I like to call that genre emo-pop, personally.

[DrGolovaCroxby]

one bad thing though is when people criticize other styles of punk

not everyone likes every variation of punk rock.

[DrGolovaCroxby]

I like to call that genre emo-pop, personally.

who cares what genre they are? they blow.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

I like them.

Yup.

[pedro durruti]

Yeah, for bands like that, it's safe to lump them into category labeled 'crap'

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

I think generally I just call it all punk. Just punk.

The main thigns to me are "Punk" "Hardcore" "80's Hardcore" "Street Punk" and that's pretty much it.

[hendrixonpunk]

personally, i don't really care what they're considered; i'll just check them out and categorize them as either "i like" or "i don't like." it does make sense to categorize them into different sub genres, but it's quite excessive, and too complicated now that people won't even understand. the only time i really care about that is when i'm trying to tag music on my media player.

[Lazybassplr56]

If I like a band then I'll listen to them no matter what genre.

[Pete]

That's why you have to really generalise for list making and such, but when recommending a band directly you can say "well they are pop-punk, but have a heavier sound" etc.
One hundred and twenty three.

[jam9383]

what happened to just rock?

[Pete]

What happened to just rock out with your **** out?

[TakeWarning]

What happened to just rock out with your **** out?

Well, if it isn't Stifler from American Pie...

[modern_man]

whats the difference between hardcore and street? they pretty much describe the same genre. im assuming street punk has more references to fighting. then what about straight edge? then you would have straight edge hardcore and straight edge street. the sub filing is so anal. you end up describing the groups into a typecast. and when they change up there music alittle bit they all of a sudden change genres. i use three categories to sum up punk groups-punk,hardcore,and hybrid(ska,rockabilly,raggae,etc...). then from there i would give a description of the group. but i would leave room for a group to expand. when other people use sub classification i dont bug out about it. i usually understnd it as a more detailed description of the band rather than a genre.

[D & V]

street punks sing about chaos.

[modern_man]

well then shouldnt it be called CHAOS punk?isnt that what anarcho punk is,by the way?usually if someone refers to themselves to be from the streets they are usually involved in drug dealing and other illegal means to make a living.it would give the impression that the music is somehow gang related.your defintion might be different but that is how most people define being from the street.

[Brain Toad]

Listen to The Casulaties and listen to Minor Threat. They don't sound the same, at all. There is a difference between American Hardcore (both 80s and modern) and street punk.
There is UK82, which was called hardcore when it came out, but is now called street punk unless the bands went the way of 80s hardcore. There is a difference.

[modern_man]

no doubt there is a difference in the groups but the classification of them are more like descriptions rather than an actual genre you can pin them to. sex pistols are punk as well as bad religion. they dont sound the same but most people say they are both just plain punk. i would say the sex pistols are a punk band with a rock sound and BR is a punk band with a hardcore edge. i dont think BR is a hardcore band. and the sex pistols were the originators of the use of anarchy. so technically they could be a street punk group by defintion. all im saying is that the classification of punk music can be confusing if taken at face value.

[Culture Shock]

and the sex pistols were the originators of the use of anarchy.

I'm sorry but that is incorrect.

[Brain Toad]

no doubt there is a difference in the groups but the classification of them are more like descriptions rather than an actual genre you can pin them to.sex pistols are punk as well as bad religion.they dont sound the same but most people say they are both just plain punk.i would say the sex pistols are a punk band with a rock sound and BR is a punk band with a hardcore edge.i dont think BR is a hardcore band.and the sex pistols were the originators of the use of anarchy.so technically they could be a street punk group by defintion.all im saying is that the classification of punk music can be confusing if taken at face value.

To an extent, yeah it can. Hardcore is given such a name because it is a harder variety of punk. It takes the core of punk and builds faster, heavier music on it.

And with street punk, it's just a term given to these bands who wanted to stay close to the "streets" of punk roots with their music.

[SantaDuJuan]

I'm sorry but that is incorrect.
No he's not.
In the whole Punk lifeline, the Pistols were the first to scream out Anarchy.

Crass were the first to actually preach it and live by it.

[D & V]

Anarcho punk is NOT chaos punk... quite the opposite infact.

[f_unamerican]

Sub-genres keep things organized.

[modern_man]

Anarcho punk is NOT chaos punk... quite the opposite infact.

well it sounds like it would be the same. anarcho as in anarchy and chaos as in.....anarchy?:amaze: or is anarcho a word totally unrelated to anarchy? just an uncanny resemblence to the word. if you were to use these categories with someone that doesnt classify bands like this,it would be totally confusing. hell i refer to punk/rockabilly groups as punkabilly to myself. while others use either plain rockabilly or psycobilly. but i dont go claiming there is a genre called punkabilly. maybe there is. i dont know.:confused:

[AIRIC]

Anarchy is not intended to be chaotic.

[modern_man]

ok,now you are just changing the whole definition of a word.im sorry but the only definition of the word is chaos.and the chaos is used as a form of protest.so there is good intentions but none the less anarchy is chaos.

[AIRIC]

ok,now you are just changing the whole definition of a word.im sorry but the only definition of the word is chaos.and the chaos is used as a form of protest.so there is good intentions but none the less anarchy is chaos.

No, anarchy's definition is not chaos. That's how people see it, but a true anarchist state should be a peaceful place.

[modern_man]

i stand corrected. another definiton of anarchy is an absence of government. but most people dont identify with such a technical use of the word. if there was no government people would be killing each other and looting to their hearts content. there is noway that philosophy would ever work (though it sounds like a nice idea) i live in america and its suppose to be we the people not we the government. so an idea of a government is not a bad idea but having an intrusive government is. and that is what i identify with in the idea of anarchy=trying to have the government(which is suppose to be us) not dictate people's personal freedoms.

[Floydfanatic]

maybe, because people are idiots

and your sentance structures and rants are kinda boring

[modern_man]

people are idiots and thats why it wouldnt work.


and if your bored then go walk the dog or something.:thumb:

[Brain Toad]

i stand corrected.another definiton of anarchy is an absence of government.but most people dont identify with such a technical use of the word.if there was no government people would be killing each other and looting to their hearts content.there is noway that philosophy would ever work.though it sounds like a nice idea.i live in america and its suppose to be we the people not we the government.so an idea of a government is not a bad idea but having an intrusive government is.and that is what i identify with in the idea of anarchy.trying to have the government(which is suppose to be us) not dictate people's personal freedoms.

I suggest you look into the actual idea of anarchy rather then going off what is portrayed in the media. There is two threads on mx explaining Anarchy.
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=306978
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288507

Read those and understand what anarchy actually is. Sex Pistols knew nothing about it.

And please, start putting spaces after your periods, your posts are incredibly hard to read.

[modern_man]

im not interested in the technical philosophy of anarchy. i dont follow religion or take part in organized beliefs. i just got alittle off track with the discussion. didnt mean to come off as someone on the soap box preaching to the masses.

[DaveToopes]

http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/1931/

[Floydfanatic]

people are idiots and thats why it wouldnt work.


and if your bored then go walk the dog or something.:thumb:
what's funny is i did... haha

[modern_man]

did he $hit on the neighbors yard?:lol:

[AIRIC]

LOL GOOD ONE.

I hate you.

[modern_man]

,,,but we still can be friends,right?:upset:

[AIRIC]

No.

[modern_man]

ive had a change of heart. i now think the use of sub genres is needed. from now on the sex pistols will be filed under the semi-anarcho classic street punk rock genre. and the misfits will be filed in the classic psycho-horror punk genre. and both of which will fit in the pioneer punk genre. you may choose to differ with me but i will then be the only idiot using that classification and therefore will vastly be misunderstood.

[DaveToopes]

Your retardation continues to amaze me.

[modern_man]

well ive been keeping my eye on you too....not.

[DaveToopes]

I'm not sure that made any sense at all.

[modern_man]

in otherwords i dont care what you post. im not keeping tabs on you.

[DaveToopes]

oh okay, good work!

[white_riot]

Of course we need genre's and it is good that we have them. When I get bored of the bands I listen to I go to another genre to find some. I usually go to the forum band list and find a band.

[Brain Toad]

That guy's retardedness was getting on my nerves. Ban hammer :smash:

[DaveToopes]

That guy's retardedness was getting on my nerves. Ban hammer :smash:

Thank you sir!

[Mr.Shankly]

Punk is dead