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rageagainstthebizkit

11-14-2005, 03:09 PM

um hi.

i was just wondering if you guys could help me with a few terms i dont understand. and mabye others could ask too (though i doubt theyre as noobish as me :thumb: )

what does the term 'skins' mean?

El_Shiznit

11-14-2005, 03:11 PM

Skinheads

rageagainstthebizkit

11-14-2005, 03:16 PM

ah right thanks

AdictAddict

11-14-2005, 03:18 PM

terms? seems to be just 1 term so far

rageagainstthebizkit

11-14-2005, 04:14 PM

well, the idea was that other people would ask...but it seems i am the most noobish

real_low_mind

11-14-2005, 04:54 PM

whats a skinhead anyway

ThisUserIsAPipebomb

11-14-2005, 05:00 PM

AIRIC

11-14-2005, 05:00 PM

Go to the rules thread, and read the oi genre profile.

Anti-Prefix

11-14-2005, 05:16 PM

I think there was a thread all about skin education. I'm not 100% sure, but it's pretty much along the line of a working class punk or rude-boy who's all about unity and supporting the working-class.

Not really sure on what exactly defines a skin. But it's something about working class punk.

Yes, but to my knowledge there are two types of skinheads. The traditional skinhead is one that is an "Oi!" fan and is not racist. The non-traditional (nazi skins) are, indeed, racist. I may be wrong, but that's always been my knowledge. Either way, they're both working class, rude-boys, I guess.

coheneran

11-14-2005, 05:29 PM

Skinheads

It can also mean girls, depending on who you hang out with (ie. hip-hop people).

Clashed

11-14-2005, 06:26 PM

What about the whole shoe lace color. I never really found out what colors mean.

Brain Toad

11-14-2005, 06:32 PM

What about the whole shoe lace color. I never really found out what colors mean.

They don't mean anything really. Some people take meaning in them, but a majority don't. As far as I can remember
Black = New boots/Trad
White = White power
Red = Nazi or Commie (not sure)
Yellow = SHARP
Don't quote me on that, there is a source online somewhere.

And a skinhead is just a working class person, it evolved from British dock workers who would shave their head for work, wear work clothes (work pants, suspenders, etc) and steel toed boots as part of their job. They would hang out at the dancehalls after work and listen to ska etc. Read the oi education thread for how oi and skinheads came about. There is a couple resources online as well.

coheneran

11-14-2005, 06:37 PM

They don't mean anything really. Some people take meaning in them, but a majority don't. As far as I can remember
Black = New boots/Trad
White = White power
Red = Nazi or Commie (not sure)
Yellow = SHARP
Don't quote me on that, there is a source online somewhere.

And a skinhead is just a working class person, it evolved from British dock workers who would shave their head for work, wear work clothes (work pants, suspenders, etc) and steel toed boots as part of their job. They would hang out at the dancehalls after work and listen to ska etc. Read the oi education thread for how oi and skinheads came about. There is a couple resources online as well.

Apparently skinheads turned more and more racist because of the influx of indian and pakistani immigrants taking their jobs etc., and blacks were slowly excluded from skinhead groups, and the music took a complete 90 degree right etc..

Brain Toad

11-14-2005, 06:39 PM

Apparently skinheads turned more and more racist because of the influx of indian and pakistani immigrants taking their jobs etc., and blacks were slowly excluded from skinhead groups, and the music took a complete 90 degree right etc..

Some became nationalist and eventually racist, but a lot didn't care, as they were used to working with the other races on the docks. That's when the Front started recruiting them and praying on their pissed off attitudes towards the immigrants.

Biscuit_box

11-15-2005, 03:55 AM

A term i would like cleared up -
What's this "40 oz." ?

coheneran

11-15-2005, 06:33 AM

A term i would like cleared up -
What's this "40 oz." ?

Isn't there some 'alcoholic beverage' in the USA that's called a Forty because it comes in a forty ounce bottle?

EDIT: It could also mean a lot of weed. I mean ALOT! ALOT ALOT ALOT!

lynch_me

11-15-2005, 06:42 AM

The whole Skinhead thing isn't for me.

TakeWarning

11-15-2005, 07:06 AM

Everything you need to know about skinheads. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinheads)

darrell

11-15-2005, 07:12 AM

Isn't there some 'alcoholic beverage' in the USA that's called a Forty because it comes in a forty ounce bottle?

EDIT: It could also mean a lot of weed. I mean ALOT! ALOT ALOT ALOT!

40 oz. is a LOT of weed, lol.

You were right... a forty is a bottle containing 40 oz. of alcohol.

Graffito

11-15-2005, 07:18 AM

coheneran

11-15-2005, 08:50 AM

yeah pretty sure it is grog mate, though they don't have forty's here in australia, i am assuming because NOFX talk about it in one of their songs (Party Enema?) and that dude said it, confirming my beliefs. and 40 Oz of choof is a lot of cones. in a good way.

:lol: CHOOF! How did that one come into existence? Man, if you went up to dealer here (UK) and asked them for some choof they'd stab you.

nitzguy

11-15-2005, 09:16 AM

i have always wondered what the whole "999" thing was, i saw it on some old punker at a show the other day plus it was in a song by rancid

coheneran

11-15-2005, 09:22 AM

i have always wondered what the whole "999" thing was, i saw it on some old punker at a show the other day plus it was in a song by rancid

UK Emergency Services number. I don't know the meaning in this context though. Maybe it is a reference to 666? Like, the opposite.

Brain Toad

11-15-2005, 09:29 AM

A term i would like cleared up -
What's this "40 oz." ?

Most bands that use it are refering to the 40 oz bottles of alcohol sold here.

i have always wondered what the whole "999" thing was, i saw it on some old punker at a show the other day plus it was in a song by rancid

999 is the name of a early punk band.

nitzguy

11-15-2005, 09:36 AM

thanks. i looked it up and it said something about a band, but i was still a little confused

Brain Toad

11-15-2005, 09:37 AM

It's a very hard band to find p2p wise, but they are pretty good stuff.

RIP Ian Curtis

11-15-2005, 09:40 AM

I've got a shi'tload of 999. First heard a live version of "Homicide" on a compilation (also the first place I heard The Exploited, UK Subs and The Boys) and fell in love with them. Try "Fortune Teller", "Wild Sun" and "Homicide". Some of their stuff is much more New Wave than punk, but it's all worth a look.

DrGolovaCroxby

11-15-2005, 02:25 PM

i don't dig 999 at all.

AIRIC

11-15-2005, 02:31 PM

Yeah, I don't like 999.

rageagainstthebizkit

11-15-2005, 03:52 PM

Black and White - Racial unity, ska fan or "Two Tone."

from wikipedia

so thats what the whole two tone thing comes from

Iron Bug

11-15-2005, 03:54 PM

Black and White - Racial unity, ska fan or "Two Tone."

from wikipedia

so thats what the whole two tone thing comes from
No, the black and white suits started it.

SantaDuJuan

11-15-2005, 03:56 PM

What the **** does a Chelsea look like?

Brain Toad

11-15-2005, 04:31 PM

What the **** does a Chelsea look like?

http://www.bouncingsouls.com/albums/tattoos/lip20tat.jpg

Clashed

11-15-2005, 07:05 PM

I thought it was called a Chelsee. Or with a y. I dunno.

Graffito

11-15-2005, 07:33 PM

:lol: CHOOF! How did that one come into existence? Man, if you went up to dealer here (UK) and asked them for some choof they'd stab you.

haha yeah, well in the land of oz it's a regular name. bongs are also called billy's or bilbo's. ciggies are called durries, nics, darbs, darts etc.

coheneran

11-15-2005, 08:28 PM

haha yeah, well in the land of oz it's a regular name. bongs are also called billy's or bilbo's. ciggies are called durries, nics, darbs, darts etc.

You whacky ozzies.:lol:

SantaDuJuan

11-15-2005, 08:41 PM

http://www.bouncingsouls.com/albums/tattoos/lip20tat.jpg
I'd tap it.

Vietnow

11-15-2005, 08:42 PM

time bomb

11-15-2005, 11:02 PM

haha yeah, well in the land of oz it's a regular name. bongs are also called billy's or bilbo's. ciggies are called durries, nics, darbs, darts etc.
AAAAnd our equivalent to a 40oz. is called a longneck, which is a 1Litre bottle of beer :)

Lazybassplr56

11-15-2005, 11:06 PM

What does L.A.M.F. stand for.

Graffito

11-15-2005, 11:10 PM

AAAAnd our equivalent to a 40oz. is called a longneck, which is a 1Litre bottle of beer :)

we have longnecks? i know we have tallies (750mL) and throwdowns (mini-beer) but i didn't know we had litre size. what state/brand of beer make them?

up the mighty XXXX

holy_roller99

11-15-2005, 11:14 PM

AAAAnd our equivalent to a 40oz. is called a longneck, which is a 1Litre bottle of beer :)

Wow so much beer:D .:chug: *gestures for another round*

DrGolovaCroxby

11-16-2005, 04:36 AM

Red means Anarcho/Communist Skinhead.

anarcho/communist skinhead is an oxymoron.

seriously though, at least around these parts, red laces means bonehead and will undoubtedly get your *** kicked by the sharpskins.

coheneran

11-16-2005, 07:09 AM

anarcho/communist skinhead is an oxymoron.

seriously though, at least around these parts, red laces means bonehead and will undoubtedly get your *** kicked by the sharpskins.

around here, if you expect people to judge you by your shoelaces, you will now have a lot of friends.

RIP Ian Curtis

11-16-2005, 09:04 AM

I must say I prefer boneheads. I find right-wingers much more sincere than left-wingers. Although personally I'm neutral.

rageagainstthebizkit

11-16-2005, 03:56 PM

im a left winger...when u say neutral do you mean centre?

about skinheads, can someone be say a redskin and a punk skin? or is it just one?

smokersdieyounger

11-16-2005, 04:29 PM

What does L.A.M.F. stand for.

Like a m.o.t.h.e.r.f.u.c.ker

smokersdieyounger

11-16-2005, 04:30 PM

what does 'tighten up' mean?

Sed alot in early reggae, Im guessing get you act together, or something sexual, but i need to be sure.

maco

11-16-2005, 06:04 PM

Black and White - Racial unity, ska fan or "Two Tone."

from wikipedia

so thats what the whole two tone thing comes from
It comes from the record label being named 2 Tone Records (which I think came from Two Tone Tonic Suits) and then the pattern (the checkerboards) took the name too...but that's what they mean overall is the racial unity thing. It started in ska then moved to skins though.

And racist skins are called boneheads by non-racist skins.

Brain Toad

11-16-2005, 06:34 PM

anarcho/communist skinhead is an oxymoron.

seriously though, at least around these parts, red laces means bonehead and will undoubtedly get your *** kicked by the sharpskins.

Anarcho/Communism exists. Communism is an economic system not a government system, it can exist with any (or lack of any) government system. Anarcho-syndicalism is somewhat a form a of anarchist communism.

RIP Ian Curtis

11-17-2005, 07:50 AM

im a left winger...when u say neutral do you mean centre?

about skinheads, can someone be say a redskin and a punk skin? or is it just one?

Neutral I mean I have no political "wing". Politically, I really don't care because I think all politicians are the same. I have views on a few social issues, but politics to me is totally pointless.

coheneran

11-17-2005, 09:23 AM

I'm part of an anarcho-communist organisation, the Anarchist Federation (their website is .org LOLZ), though I ignore all the anarcho-communist/syndicalist crap. I think is just divides the rank and file and adds beaurorcracy to a pure cause.

KingOfSka

11-17-2005, 12:55 PM

No, the black and white suits started it.

Are you sure about that? I always thought that "two tone" was referring to the unity between black and white people.

Ross

11-17-2005, 01:00 PM

I get the feeling two-tone was actually a combination of all the above things.

Theramed

11-17-2005, 02:11 PM

I was lead to believ that it was because of black and white people singling in the same band so there would be to different tones of voice

MILF Hunter

11-17-2005, 02:20 PM

anarcho/communist skinhead is an oxymoron.

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/berkman/comanarchism/whatis_toc.html

DrGolovaCroxby

11-17-2005, 02:45 PM

Anarcho/Communism exists. Communism is an economic system not a government system, it can exist with any (or lack of any) government system. Anarcho-syndicalism is somewhat a form a of anarchist communism.

i was talking as it relates to the skinhead faction. all the skins i know are rockin' democracy.

i do however think that anarcho/communism, just like both of it's subsidiaries is something that looks good on paper but will never, ever happen in real life.

rageagainstthebizkit

11-17-2005, 04:01 PM

maco

11-17-2005, 04:28 PM

thank you for using an infintive, not past tense.

brain toad...thank you. thank you for being someone who accepts communism has no government. my friends refuse to take that one in.

arguing gets a bit annoying
Yeah, I don't think people can comprehend that it's perfectly possible for everyone to share equally (communism) without a government (anarchism). They think it must be dictated. That's why they all think anarchy is chaos.

Anarcho Poser

11-17-2005, 04:48 PM

Are you sure about that? I always thought that "two tone" was referring to the unity between black and white people.
Right.

The name that Dammers chose for his label had two meanings: It referred both to the black-and-white suits favored by ska-loving "rude boys", and it symbolized solidarity between blacks and whites at a time when racial tensions among the British working class were at an all-time high.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Tone

Brain Toad

11-17-2005, 05:00 PM

i was talking as it relates to the skinhead faction. all the skins i know are rockin' democracy.

i do however think that anarcho/communism, just like both of it's subsidiaries is something that looks good on paper but will never, ever happen in real life.

A lot of skins are very democratic and very anti-communist, but there is a select few who follow Anarcho-Communism. More of the movement is filled with non-skins though.

DrGolovaCroxby

11-17-2005, 07:09 PM

A lot of skins are very democratic and very anti-communist, but there is a select few who follow Anarcho-Communism. More of the movement is filled with non-skins though.

Fair enough. And your avatar is awesome. I'm actually listning to that record as I type.

Lazybassplr56

11-17-2005, 09:17 PM

Hey Doc I was just listening to your band and I really like.

Brain Toad

11-18-2005, 12:39 AM

Fair enough. And your avatar is awesome. I'm actually listning to that record as I type.

One of my favourites from him.

DrGolovaCroxby

11-18-2005, 09:20 PM

Hey Doc I was just listening to your band and I really like.

thanks, man.

Buzzbomb

11-18-2005, 10:00 PM

Someone wanna explain this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/collective/dnaimages/030418/chapman1.jpg

coheneran

11-19-2005, 07:58 AM

Someone wanna explain this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/collective/dnaimages/030418/chapman1.jpg

Looks like some sort of Nazi parody. Or maybe Nick Griffin's son is having a birthday party.

maco

11-19-2005, 09:18 PM

A lot of skins are very democratic and very anti-communist, but there is a select few who follow Anarcho-Communism. More of the movement is filled with non-skins though.
Democracy is not the opposite of Communism. It's the opposite of totalitarianism. Communism is the opposite of capitalist. If everyone elects leaders AND shares, then you have communism and democracy together.

Brain Toad

11-19-2005, 09:34 PM

Democracy is not the opposite of Communism. It's the opposite of totalitarianism. Communism is the opposite of capitalist. If everyone elects leaders AND shares, then you have communism and democracy together.

I know all that, I am one who subscribes to the idea to a degree. But many skinheads feel communism is not democracy because of all the examples of communism have not been.

maco

11-19-2005, 10:22 PM

Oh ok gotcha....I thought you were in the pile of people who think Stalin is the only form of Communism

RIP Ian Curtis

11-20-2005, 09:48 AM

Well Stalin being the only form of functional "communism" for want of a better word. I think you'll find most people with the "misguided" view that communism requires a government are just going off real-world experiences. Of course us lot know that a government is just a passing phase between capitalism and communism (socialism). Which is why I don't trust any socialists and have a deep dislike for them. They haven't got the balls to be proper commies and anyone who wants that much state control has some issues.

DrGolovaCroxby

11-20-2005, 12:39 PM

better dead than red.

time bomb

11-20-2005, 06:16 PM

what exactly is a "rudeboy", is it like a "mod" or something?

KingOfSka

11-20-2005, 06:17 PM

what exactly is a "rudeboy", is it like a "mod" or something?

Rude boys/girls are people who like Ska. So yeah it's kind of similar to a mod, except for the fact that mods were predominantly found in the UK. Rudeboys can be North American, Jamacian, British, whatever.

time bomb

11-20-2005, 06:19 PM

kool, thanx man :thumb:

maco

11-20-2005, 09:22 PM

Rude boys/girls are people who like Ska. So yeah it's kind of similar to a mod, except for the fact that mods were predominantly found in the UK. Rudeboys can be North American, Jamacian, British, whatever.
note: modern definition
old meaning: Jamaican gangsta

RIP Ian Curtis

11-21-2005, 08:21 AM

Mods and rudeboys had a lot of crossover in the early days no? All the sharkskin suits and so forth? or am I wrong once more?

FunknPunk

11-21-2005, 08:46 AM

note: modern definition
old meaning: Jamaican gangsta
:thumb: thanks mate, i was just going to say that

SickBoy

11-21-2005, 11:32 AM

Mods and rudeboys had a lot of crossover in the early days no? All the sharkskin suits and so forth? or am I wrong once more?

youre right, and thats basically how skinheads came to be.
Hard Mods with Rude boy influences rather than going Hippie than the rest of the Peacock Mods

Liebensaft

11-21-2005, 01:15 PM

What the hell is a mod?

holy_roller99

11-21-2005, 01:22 PM

SickBoy

11-21-2005, 04:51 PM

What the hell is a mod?

how can you be a punk and a rude boy if you dont know what a mod is?

a mod was a cult in the UK in the 60'sand late 70's,very close in style to rude boys and skins, famous for fighting rockers at beaches.

Liebensaft

11-21-2005, 05:16 PM

Oh, ok. I'd heard it before but never inquired as to what it meant.

Anarcho Poser

11-21-2005, 05:56 PM

i don't think that anarcho communism can work. for one anarchy is the absence of no rules, so basically only the strong survive and the rest basically can live with it and communism is still a system with rules of equality. anarchy and communism are similar in that they both end up with dictatorships or monarchy in place of that system. also anarchy is a system that is without a system so is a very contradictory belief
Yeah, you're basically 100% wrong about everything there.

Anarchy is, in fact, the absence of no rules, though I'm not sure that's what you meant to say. Just because there's no government does not mean there's no rules. Anarchism and Communism do not always end up in a dictatorship. Communism can exist democratically, such a system just hasn't been used yet. Anarchism is not a system without a system, it's a system without a government, in which the people govern themselves.

You may want to do some reading before you decide what will or will not work.

Brain Toad

11-21-2005, 07:03 PM

Yeah, you're basically 100% wrong about everything there.

Anarchy is, in fact, the absence of no rules, though I'm not sure that's what you meant to say. Just because there's no government does not mean there's no rules. Anarchism and Communism do not always end up in a dictatorship. Communism can exist democratically, such a system just hasn't been used yet. Anarchism is not a system without a system, it's a system without a government, in which the people govern themselves.

You may want to do some reading before you decide what will or will not work.

^^^ This is correct

People keep assuming communism is a government system, when its not. It's an economic system, just like capitalism. America is capitalist and a democracy. Canada is socialist and a democracy. The USSR was communist and a dictatorship, the same with Cuba and China. Communism can basically exist with all forms of government (or lack of). The same with capitalism (although its more suited for authrotative or democratic governments)

Liebensaft

11-21-2005, 09:54 PM

Exactly. People too often associate communism and anarchism with dictators. Communism is NOT a form of government,(as Nick said) it is merely an economic system.

Anarchists don't want to vandalize and cause destruction. They just don't believe there should be a government or ruling power.

Communism can exist within democracy. Anarchy can exist in a peaceful country, and in fact, most anarchists are strongly in favor of peace. People hear the words "communism" or "anarchy" and immediately get the wrong idea.

DaveToopes

11-21-2005, 10:13 PM

Anarchy can exist in a peaceful country, and in fact, most anarchists are strongly in favor of peace. People hear the words "communism" or "anarchy" and immediately get the wrong idea.

Word, just listen to a bunch of anarcho bands, most of them are all for peace.

RIP Ian Curtis

11-22-2005, 04:01 AM

Isn't it funny that capitalism is self-sustaining and exists without any real propping up, yet communism steadfastly refuses to exist. Says something to me about human nature.

Brain Toad

11-22-2005, 09:29 AM

Isn't it funny that capitalism is self-sustaining and exists without any real propping up, yet communism steadfastly refuses to exist. Says something to me about human nature.
Pure forms of either system have never existed. Capitalism just has the power to stay while being extreamly corrupted, but communism collapses when corrupted, especially with pressure from a capitalist system to change.

KingOfSka

11-22-2005, 12:20 PM

I know nothing about capitalism, anarchy, democracy, well actually just government in general.

:)

nitzguy

11-22-2005, 01:13 PM

Pure forms of either system have never existed. Capitalism just has the power to stay while being extreamly corrupted, but communism collapses when corrupted, especially with pressure from a capitalist system to change.
good call on that one.

and i thought about the 999 thing some more, and listened to maxwell murder for that one part of the song, and i think he was refrencing 999 as a help line.

vote me

11-22-2005, 01:56 PM

what the **** does "imo" mean ?

KingOfSka

11-22-2005, 02:01 PM

what the **** does "imo" mean ?

In my opinion. I only figured that out a while ago.

vote me

11-22-2005, 02:09 PM

In my opinion. I only figured that out a while ago.
ahh ok thanks :thumb:

Brain Toad

11-22-2005, 05:17 PM

good call on that one.

and i thought about the 999 thing some more, and listened to maxwell murder for that one part of the song, and i think he was refrencing 999 as a help line.

999 is the British equivelant of 911