Killed For Being Punk?

[KingOfSka]

Born in 1978 at the height of the British punk movement, Brian Deneke at least looked like what could be generalized as punk. He was only one of a small faction that carried on the style.

At around 11:30 on the night of December 12th, 1997, in Amarillo, Texas, Brian Deneke was killed in the parking lot of a shopping center by Dustin Camp. At the time, Camp was a seventeen year old junior varsity football player driving a 1983 Cadillac.

A timeline of the events leading up to Brian's death were pure high school rivalry gone very, very wrong. The two groups, the punk kids and the kids locally referred to as 'whitehats' (because they wore white caps with college football team logos on them,) were fighting because they looked and acted different from one another.

There are two different accounts of what would later turn into a homicide. Chris Oles, a friend of Deneke's, says the 'jock' group was taunting Brian while he and others were at a local hangout, an IHOP.

The argument became nastier when two boys who did not know each other - Dustin Camp, a jock, and John King, a punk - got into a shoving match. Oles tried to step in, grabbing King in a headlock while Camp hurried out the door.

Outside, both boys gathered up friends to back them up. King apparently said something to Camp and then smashed one of his car windows with a police baton.

Rumors of planned brawl between the 'punks' and the 'whitehats' drifted around for the next several days.

At around eleven a few nights later, kids from both groups found their way to the IHOP, some hoping to see a fight, some hoping to break up the monotony of a Friday night in Amarillo.

Thompson went inside the IHOP to visit with friends, and some time later, Mansfield came in and told her they had to leave. In the parking lot, the arguing had begun. Within minutes it moved across the street to a shopping center. That is where things began to get ugly.

Camp, instead of driving away, followed the fight to the shopping center. From there, the story splits.

Chris Oles, John King, Jason Deneke, (Brian's brother,) and Jacqui Balderaz - a friend - say they saw Brian curled in the fetal position, while the 'whitehats' kicked and beat him.

Thompson called the scene, "...crazy. I mean, I'd never seen anything like that. To me, it just looked like this mass confusion of people, just running after each other, hitting each other with sticks and chains and bats...Then Rob [Mansfield] says, "Oh, my gosh, look at Andrew [McCulloch, a friend of Mansfield's]."

Rob then went to get out of the car, but Camp slammed on the gas, taking off. He slammed the Cadillac into Chris Oles, who shook it off and seemed unhurt.

Then, Thompson says, Camp turned the car around and headed back into the crowd. There was the thud of Deneke's body striking metal, and Thompson saw him disappear beneath the car.

There were no skid marks, or any other signs, that Camp had tried to stop the car.

As a parting shot, witnesses remember Camp saying, "I'll bet he liked that."

Deneke's girlfriend, Jennifer Hix, told a reporter what she saw the night of the murder. "I remember after he was hit, there was a cheer. We ran to him as soon as he went down. He was trying to talk, but there was too much blood coming out of his mouth. Jason put his arms around him and held him while he died."

Brian was lying in the snow, wrapped in his brother's arms and surrounded by his friends, when he died. Photographs of the crime scene show him on his side, his arms twisted. His front teeth are broken, the left side of his face gashed. His left shoulder has been torn from its socket. An autopsy showed that Deneke's skull, spine, pelvis, and ribs had been completely crushed.

Dustin Camp went home and told his parents what had happened. They simply told him to go to bed...it would be taken care of in the morning.

The Amarillo Police Department beat the Camps to the punch. He was arrested early the next morning. A search warrant executed on the Cadillace revealed Brian Deneke's blood, splashed on the undercarriage.

Dustin Camp was charged with murder.

The tactic of dehumanizing and humiliating the victim worked. The jury convicted Camp of manslaughter. He was sentenced to ten years' probation and a ten thousand dollar fine, also probated. Dustin Camp would never have to pay a dime for killing Brian Deneke.

Mike Deneke, Brian's father, says his son often dealt with discrimination. "He took a lot of verbal and physical abuse from people. We tried to explain to him that if you dress that way, have your hair that way, people are going to act negatively toward you, and that's just the way it is.

Taken from http://members.tripod.com/~VanessaWest/deneke.html

I saw this story on A&E the other night, and decided to do some research. Brian Deneke was not only a good, hard working kid, but the backbone of the Amarillo punk scene. These faggot jocks killed him because he was different, because he wasn't afraid to be an individual. Hate crimes like these are intolerable.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/StuckPunk/briandeneke.gif

Discuss.

[DaveToopes]

I saw a story on this like, 3 or 4 years ago on 20/20. I still remember the whole thing like I had watched it yesterday. It's a really horrible story. I remember thinking it was such bull**** that Dustin got let off the hook that easy too.

[superskankinactionhero]

there was a thread about this a while ago. it's bad but there's nothing THAT special about the story other than it was a punk kid who died.

[Anarchy&Peace]

terrible story but it needs to be told. I'd rep you if i could, good job
EDIT: that dustin kid is in jail now for breaking probation or something

[Naminator]

holy!

/tear

[i_am_zombie_jesus]

Its horrible how that prick Dustin got off so easy it really sickens me...just cause Brian looked different.

[Naminator]

seriously jocks are fags man, it's so stupid, jocks and punks nver et a life try to run for pro football then never get a life then the nerds which they picked on in high school laugh at them while they are driving a benz while the jocks are pushing carts

[KingOfSka]

there was a thread about this a while ago. it's bad but there's nothing THAT special about the story other than it was a punk kid who died.

Yeah but it was the whole mentality of everyone in the town that caused his death. Punks just don't belong in Texas I guess. Brian was totally outcast because of the way he looked, but in actuality if you got to know him, he was a really nice, helpful, smart guy.

His employers called him "sunshine" because he was always in such a good mood. But these jocks didn't take any of this into consideration when they killed him. All they saw was something different from them, that was reason enough to kill him I guess.

[Jessizzle]

If only cheeser were here. and chris.

[username77]

I read that this summer in my cousin's friend's zine.

[Vietnow]

What's Funny is his Parents are selling a crap-load of Merchendise with his name on it. How Punk!

[KingOfSka]

What's Funny is his Parents are selling a crap-load of Merchendise with his name on it. How Punk!

Can't get much more punX than that.

[Brain Toad]

It's a sad story, but very old and posted quite a lot on here. Usually when A&E shows their special on it.

[AIRIC]

It's really unfortunate, but I doubt that they meant to kill him in the beginning, just to mess him up. Until the whole car part...

[KingOfSka]

It's a sad story, but very old and posted quite a lot on here. Usually when A&E shows their special on it.

Yeah, but what A&E didn't mention was that Brian Deneke had a blood alcohol level of 1.8 when he died. He may have been less likely to instigate a fight if he was sober, so it was partly his own fault.

[superskankinactionhero]

Brian was totally outcast because of the way he looked, but in actuality if you got to know him, he was a really nice, helpful, smart guy.
if he had a large group of friends who he was fighting with and got on with the people at work, then i wouldn't say he was totally outcast, he just got **** from the people who always give **** to people who look different.

[KingOfSka]

if he had a large group of friends who he was fighting with and got on with the people at work, then i wouldn't say he was totally outcast, he just got **** from the people who always give **** to people who look different.

Yeah, and in this case the people who give **** to people who look different was a larger group of people than usual.

[pedro durruti]

I've never seen jocks pick on people

[Anarcho Poser]

I've never seen jocks pick on people
Canada really is a utopia!

[Excursions]

tl;dr

[TAND]

My friend died in a car accident the other day, completely irrelevant to thread except dying and from a car...

[Theramed]

just think if brian had won the fight or the jock died then you would be saying the same about him. I dont think we can put any opinion across unless we knew both of them personally.

[Anti-Prefix]

just think if brian had won the fight or the jock died then you would be saying the same about him. I dont think we can put any opinion across unless we knew both of them personally.

True, this type of thing happens. And he probably wasn't killed because he was punk, just because he was different in the eyes of the other group. As they were different to the "punks."

[You All Know Pete]

Really old story, but...

I'm glad there isn't that kind of subcultural segregation here in Sweden. And if there were swedish jocks, they should be glad for it too - because if anyone I knew was subjected to what happened to Brian Deneke, I'd kill the perpetrator along with his family. Seriously. If I had a good friend, or brother or something, that some fu'cking brat ran over just because he felt superior due to his economic/social status, I'd have to level his head. And by level, I mean disintegrate.

[(r)evolution]

if the jock had been killed it would have been equally sad. Punks should rise above this. What happened to Unity?

[Anarcho Poser]

It got stolen out of Streetlight's trailer.

[KingOfSka]

if the jock had been killed it would have been equally sad. Punks should rise above this. What happened to Unity?

Unity between punks is expected. But unity between jocks and punks is unheard of. They're complete opposites on the social spectrum.

Theres a war, coming down
Between my brothers and I
I don't want no war!
Goin' down, goin' down tonight

[(r)evolution]

Unity between punks is expected. But unity between jocks and punks is unheard of. They're complete opposites on the social spectrum.

Theres a war, coming down
Between my brothers and I
I don't want no war!
Goin' down, goin' down tonight

of course, we're opposites of the jocks. But that doesn't mean people have to die.

[KingOfSka]

of course, we're opposites of the jocks. But that doesn't mean people have to die.

Tell that to Dustin Camp.

[AIRIC]

I think it might be to late to tell him that.

[(r)evolution]

Tell that to Dustin Camp.

thats like saying;

"people shouldn't exterminate entire races"

"yeah, well tell that to adolph hitler!"

[KingOfSka]

thats like saying;

"people shouldn't exterminate entire races"

"yeah, well tell that to adolph hitler!"

Haha, yeah but it's true. Genocide is bad, kids.

[Mr. Hankie]

My schools jocks don't pick fights. I mean they say crap, but it's just nothing more than "phag" and it's only occasionally. Physically they do nothing. It's not that bad, but then again my school only has about 1500 students with the middle school.

[AIRIC]

My schools jocks don't pick fights. I mean they say crap, but it's just nothing more than "phag" and it's only occasionally. Physically they do nothing. It's not that bad, but then again my school only has about 1500 students with the middle school.

Yeah, that's what we get. All the ghetto kids fight eachother constantly, though.

[Ghostfire3]

I've heard this story. Tis a shame.

[pedro durruti]

Canada really is a utopia!
I live in America :angry:

[ratsinthecity403]

What makes it worse is how he got off the hook and how they used that he was a punk as evidence that he shouldn't be cahrged with murder. They showed videos of mosh pits to prove that he was 'violent' and stuff like that. And people believed it

[t-rex]

What's Funny is his Parents are selling a crap-load of Merchendise with his name on it. How Punk!

almost as punk as the DIY thread. "punx" a lot of the time are these anti-commerce anti-capitalist kids. but then they go around buying patches of their favourite bands and putting them all over their clothes. then they buy all this other stuff just so they can lok punk. its stupid. and about the article that could have easily been the other way around. punks beat people up all the time for no real reson. they act like jerks a lot of the time just like jocks. The way most of you guys are reacting to this is "jocks are such jerks" but thats just generalizing and fueling on the hate between the "punks and the "jocks".

[Vietnow]

almost as punk as the DIY thread. "punx" a lot of the time are these anti-commerce anti-capitalist kids. but then they go around buying patches of their favourite bands and putting them all over their clothes. then they buy all this other stuff just so they can lok punk. its stupid. and about the article that could have easily been the other way around. punks beat people up all the time for no real reson. they act like jerks a lot of the time just like jocks. The way most of you guys are reacting to this is "jocks are such jerks" but thats just generalizing and fueling on the hate between the "punks and the "jocks".

1) The DIY thread is there for people to show the things they made and to put up tutorials for others to make clothes.

2) Most Punks don't buy Patches and studs ect. to look punk, they just like the style. Same as any other type of person... they dress that way because they like the style, or the music, whatever.

[t-rex]

1) The DIY thread is there for people to show the things they made and to put up tutorials for others to make clothes.

2) Most Punks don't buy Patches and studs ect. to look punk, they just like the style. Same as any other type of person... they dress that way because they like the style, or the music, whatever.

but still buying a lot of patches and other punk accesories it just supid. they are supposed to anti capitalist so they buy a whole bunch of stuff. doesn't make sense.

[RichardCraniums]

....when did punk rock become so safe....

sh!t happens...

[gregulus]

if the jock had been killed it would have been equally sad. Punks should rise above this. What happened to Unity?
Unity is idealistic crap. You can find unity between social groups SOMETIMES, but not between opposite social groups.

[pedro durruti]

but still buying a lot of patches and other punk accesories it just supid. they are supposed to anti capitalist so they buy a whole bunch of stuff. doesn't make sense.
Hmmm.. I guess they shouldn't buy ANY clothes, food, or anything else that is necessary for survival. Right? You know, cause they're supporting capitalism by doing that.
....when did punk rock become so safe....

sh!t happens...
Anyone who thinks punk isn't supposed to be safe is an idiot. One of the most important punk ideals is PEACE and NON-VIOLENCE. Sure, punks enjoy doing dangerous things from time to time, but no punk with SOME intelligence is going to look for trouble purely for not being safe

[Krabsworth]

Jocks can bag my groceries.

[t-rex]

Hmmm.. I guess they shouldn't buy ANY clothes, food, or anything else that is necessary for survival. Right? You know, cause they're supporting capitalism by doing that.

they are the people most decked out in advertisments and other stuff all over their clothes. they are walking advertisments. of all the people you would expect to see have so much advertisments on their clothes it shouldn't be these kids who are against capitalism and commerce, but its the other way around.

[pedro durruti]

they are the people most decked out in advertisments and other stuff all over their clothes. they are walking advertisments. of all the people you would expect to see have so much advertisments on their clothes it should be these kids who are against capitalism and commerce, but its the other way around.
Um.. I have a patched jacket that I haven't worn for awhile but I didn't wear it to "advertise". I wore it because I liked the bands, liked the designs, drawings, pictures, whatever and the way my jacket looked with those patches. My only intents for advertisement were to let other people who liked similar bands that I like this kind of music, come talk to me, we'll be friends. Same thing goes for band shirts, I don't give two ****s if some asshole in my math class sees it or not

[t-rex]

and i'm sure that that is every ones intent when they wear their patches and studs and tight pants with patches on them and all their other cool punk accesories.

[pedro durruti]

Who cares about them? They're stupid gutter punks.

[t-rex]

they make up the majority of punks.

[AIRIC]

You don't know what you're talking about.

[Buzzbomb]

....when did punk rock become so safe....

We'll you'll excuse me as i laugh in your face while you itemize your receipts and powerpoint your balancesheets

[t-rex]

You don't know what you're talking about.

tell me what i'm talking about. also, no one responded to the other points i made in my first post. they just defended their punk rock patches.

[Buzzbomb]

tell me what i'm talking about. also, no one responded to the other points i made in my first post. they just defended their punk rock patches.

Maybe because you took a shot at people who wear patches?

[AIRIC]

almost as punk as the DIY thread. "punx" a lot of the time are these anti-commerce anti-capitalist kids. but then they go around buying patches of their favourite bands and putting them all over their clothes. then they buy all this other stuff just so they can lok punk. its stupid. and about the article that could have easily been the other way around. punks beat people up all the time for no real reson. they act like jerks a lot of the time just like jocks. The way most of you guys are reacting to this is "jocks are such jerks" but thats just generalizing and fueling on the hate between the "punks and the "jocks".

The article said that the murderer laughed about it after, that's jerk enough.

[ratsinthecity403]

almost as punk as the DIY thread. "punx" a lot of the time are these anti-commerce anti-capitalist kids. but then they go around buying patches of their favourite bands and putting them all over their clothes. then they buy all this other stuff just so they can lok punk. its stupid. and about the article that could have easily been the other way around. punks beat people up all the time for no real reson. they act like jerks a lot of the time just like jocks. ".The way most of you guys are reacting to this is "jocks are such jerks" but thats just generalizing and fueling on the hate between the "punks and the "jocks

anti-commerce? where do you get that?
I can understand the oppostion to capitalism as I myself oppose it. Why do you think punks oppose capitalism? Because we think it's 'cool' to be anti-capitalist?
I, and all of my punk friends who don't support capitalism, actually have reasons why we don't support capitalism. It's all about profits, and so consequently people get fu'cked over by others.
I make most of my own patches and pins (as well as making them for local bands for no profit), so I KNOW that bands make good money off thier merch. A shirt, screenprinted is going to make arouund 7 dollars or so, patches not nearly as much, and pins around 80 cents or so. All right, you might be thinking 'wow these bands are capitalizing off thie fans' but in fact if you think about how life is on the road and gas money and food, the money they make off thier much is not much compared to big name bands.
When I buy a shirt or a patch, it's as much about supporting the band as anything else. Punk bands are not capitalists out only to fill thier own pockets.


"punks beat people up all the time for no real reson"
you say this, but how true is this? Maybe where you live, but take a look outside your own god dam'n scene and realize that is not the norm. This is so stupid I understand why no one else felt the need to adress it.

And as far as generalisations, yes, there are some. For my part, I know some kids who participate in lots of sports and are not jerks. But a majority of jocks, at least where I live, are happy to chase you down or shove you around in the halls for how you look.

[DaveToopes]

That was a good explanation, Rats. Good job.

[ratsinthecity403]

Um.. I have a patched jacket that I haven't worn for awhile but I didn't wear it to "advertise". I wore it because I liked the bands, liked the designs, drawings, pictures, whatever and the way my jacket looked with those patches. My only intents for advertisement were to let other people who liked similar bands that I like this kind of music, come talk to me, we'll be friends. Same thing goes for band shirts, I don't give two ****s if some spatula in my math class sees it or not

Agreed. And as far as advertising to people who like similar bands, seeing patches and listening was almost entirley responsible for which bands I lied when I was first into punk and had no punk friends.

EDIT: thank you.

[t-rex]

And as far as generalisations, yes, there are some. For my part, I know some kids who participate in lots of sports and are not jerks. But a majority of jocks, at least where I live, are happy to chase you down or shove you around in the halls for how you look. take a look outside your own goddamn scene.

[ratsinthecity403]

...also, no one responded to the other points i made in my first post. ...

I think this could also apply to mine; how about we stop quoting each other and say something?


EDIT : anyways, I'm leaving the forum for today so I apoligize for furthering the off topic posts on this thread. I read over the first article again ... there's not really much I can think of to say, but I hope that he's never forgotten.

[Buzzbomb]

take a look outside your own goddamn scene.

Hey clearly stated that he was just talking about where he lived. Doens't mean he meant other people's "scenes". I'd figure you'd know that considering you bolded part of that statement.

[Weezerfan_returns]

but still buying a lot of patches and other punk accesories it just supid. they are supposed to anti capitalist so they buy a whole bunch of stuff. doesn't make sense.

I'm in a local band, and without selling merch, we'd be ****ed. When you buy a Tshirt, not only are you putting a bands name out there, but you're giving them money. This money goes towards gas, food, van repairs, etc.

By buying merch you are keeping the band alive, keeping them on the road!

Think about it. If bands couldnt make any money, they couldnt tour. If they couldnt tour, they couldnt be heard by enough people, forcing them to dissappear. Any band you listen to has sold patches, shirts, etc to keep going.
I'm not saying I support bands selling their merch in chain department stores and stuff, but some ****ty little punk band selling t shirts is not big, evil CAPITOLISM!

[Anxious]

tl;dr

[Rootsradical]

That is a ****ed up story. I feel bad for the guys parents for knowing that the person who killed their son is getting off free.

[t-rex]

i see alo tof dk patches nad shirts. i don't think they need the money or the publicity. bands like dk and crass and nofx and the ramones and buzzcocks those are the bands i'm talking about.

[Anxious]

That is a ****ed up story. I feel bad for the guys parents for knowing that the person who killed their son is getting off free.
Thats kinda of a ****ed up avatar too, don't you think so?

[Rootsradical]

Thats kinda of a ****ed up avatar too, don't you think so?
Don't be hatin.

[holy_roller99]

Um.. I have a patched jacket that I haven't worn for awhile but I didn't wear it to "advertise". I wore it because I liked the bands, liked the designs, drawings, pictures, whatever and the way my jacket looked with those patches. My only intents for advertisement were to let other people who liked similar bands that I like this kind of music, come talk to me, we'll be friends. Same thing goes for band shirts, I don't give two ****s if some spatula in my math class sees it or not

i have an old army jacket ( was my grandpa's) and since io liked the way it looked on me i started to wear i everyday. it had a hole that eventually got bigger soi used a DKM patch to cover it up. now that is where the patch thing came from as well as safety pins. they just improved it by putting band names on it and stuff. so function and fashion became the same thing there.

[fatwreckpunk]

why should someone get murdered for how they look, thats harsh

[deathscreamingsheep]

of course, we're opposites of the jocks. But that doesn't mean people have to die.

And what is a jock exactly? Do you mean someone who is good at sport? Cause I am put still like punk. Do you mean a certain social circle, because I can tell you that round me we all hang around with each other (except for the chavs who are unfortunately multiplying at the moment- but it seems to me what you describe as a jock have a very chavlike mentality).

[DrGolovaCroxby]

this is ooooooooooooooooolllllddd.

yeah, it's messed up, but what are any of you gonna do about it?

[KingOfSka]

why should someone get murdered for how they look, thats harsh

Yeah, it might be a little more acceptable if they killed him cus he was a faggot. Just a tiny bit. Hate crimes blow.

[Aus Rotten]

I remember this story from years ago, truly horrible. :upset:

[El_Shiznit]

Its horrible how that prick Dustin got off so easy it really sickens me
You'll never catch me you punk f'aggots!

[Magicaltroll]

It's stupid...
I guess I'll never know why people hate people that choose to be a little different from everyone else. It's really dumb, and ignorant.

[DBoons Ghost]

If they were dressed differently it probably still would have happened. In fact, it happens all the time. This time someone chose to use it as a tool to feed the flames of biased hate.

[Lazy.]

Tis' a sad story.

[MasterSander]

The Camp kid didn't get off easy because dereke was a punk, he got off so easy because he was still under age... Besides that I also think he should have gotten more years in jail, how anyone can be so cruel just to ride right over someone and then cheer... My mind just can't understand. I just hate the fact that different gangs compete with each other just because you have different ideas. It doesn't mean you're not both human.

[Flagjacket]

Come on guys. It's not like it was the jocks trying to crush the punks. It's sad that this kid was killed for being different. That is just the teensieest bit liek racism. From what I got from the stroy, it was a bit like a gang war. I'm sure that the punks did their equal share of beating the crap out of some guy. But it still comes down to an unfair death under unfair circumstances in an unfair war.

Now, you guys wanna see ****ed up? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Chin
But this one involves real racism and TWO people getting off the hook.

[AIRIC]

Definintely messed up.

[Abandon all hope]

The moral of the story is don't hang out in an IHOP.


Haha im hillarious

But thats some serious bull****, don't even know where to begin to express my disgust.

[RichardCraniums]

whats really kinda stupid is that this dude is dead, and yall ended up talkin about patches and t shirts, great wtf people

[gregulus]

I love Capitalism.

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

**** happens like that all the time. It's a terrible world we live in.

[KingOfSka]

The moral of the story is don't hang out in an IHOP.


Haha im hillarious

But thats some serious bull****, don't even know where to begin to express my disgust.

Lol, they made the IHOP sound like such an evil place on TV, they were like "...and the jocks would come back later to finish what they started, at the IHOP." Lol.

[Spenser]

Ok, ok.... let's get serious about this. We all know there aren't any punks in Texas.

[KingOfSka]

Ok, ok.... let's get serious about this. We all know there aren't any punks in Texas.

Not anymore anyway...

[Flagjacket]

Not anymore anyway...
I just choked on the pear that I'm eating.

[Mild_child]

sucker


/reads the rest of the story.

okay nevermind

[(r)evolution]

take a look outside your own goddamn scene.

punks are some of the nicest people I know. There are tons of streetpunks and gutterpunks where i and i talk music with them all the time, even if I've never seen them before, they see my Dead Kennedys or 3tards patch and give me a friendly "hi" (patches are a way of supporting music and music unites people) and stay and talk. Every punk I've ever met from the Toronto scene to the Quebec city have all treated me with as much respect as i've given them.

[Mild_child]

He was sentenced to ten years' probation and a ten thousand dollar fine, also probated. Dustin Camp would never have to pay a dime for killing Brian Deneke.
that part really pissed me off. why do some people go through 20 years of jail for murder and this guy got off free?

[asdf]

Sad. That kid looks a lot like someone I know and used to go to school with.

[Flagjacket]

that part really pissed me off. why do some people go through 20 years of jail for murder and this guy got off free?
Why do some people pay 3,000 bucks and then get acquitted ten years later?

[xChargedxPunkx]

wow..im speachless

[Mannik]

Although punks are generally the victims of jocks, I couldn't help feeling a little empathy for a jock killed by a punk.

[MasterSander]

Every form of murder is bad, not only if a punk gets killed by a jock, I didn't care it was a punk who got killed, it was a person.

[KingOfSka]

If a jock was killed by a punk would you guys care?

Doubt it. Let the kid rest in peace.

No, but that's because this is a punk forum, not a jock forum. Idiot.

[pedro durruti]

Being a jock means you're a jerk, and an ignorant tough guy. But that doesn't mean they deserve to die, or that we wouldn't care about a jock's death. Sure, we'd have little sympathy for them, due to the fact that they were an asshole, but death isn't right

[fatwreckpunk]

the jocks that did it just judged him by his looks

[StruckEverywhere]

No, but that's because this is a punk forum, not a jock forum. Idiot.

God you are a ****ing idiot.

[AIRIC]

If you play football you're automatically a jock, and better looking than me. Therfore, you must die.

[KingOfSka]

God you are a ****ing idiot.

:confused:

[Brain Toad]

This thread has run its course.