How to scream

[SkaBob]

hi, currently the vocalist in my band screams and sings, but for more layers we're wanting a second screamer. (ie. me) i try to scream, but when i do it comes out as a whisper, and i'm not sure if it even sounds right, is there a technique to screaming properly? Thanks.

[whiteminority]

dude have you ever heard of the "search" tool?

[deadohiosky9]

jesus christ. there is no technique. screaming is about emotion. put emotion in it and just f.ucking scream. i hope your not in one of those pop punk bands trying to do hawthorne height screams.

[whiteminority]

jesus christ. there is no technique. screaming is about emotion. put emotion in it and just f.ucking scream. i hope your not in one of those pop punk bands trying to do hawthorne height screams.
damn dude that would be horrible.

[SkaBob]

If i was in a hawthorne heights band then why would i be posting in the Emo/Hardcore forum?
Sorry, i probably should've searched it first.

[Borkola]

I think he's talking more about a certain screaming pitch?

[whiteminority]

sorry skabob, but we get a lot of bastards in here in bands like that trying to know how to scream. but there is no technique to screaming.

[SkaBob]

I think he's talking more about a certain screaming pitch?

Yeah, i especially have trouble screaming in a low pitch.

[whiteminority]

like a death metal school of vocals?

[deadohiosky9]

just push really hard. its a matter of practice.

[wkd]

Having this thread in the Jam Session would probably do you more good than in Hardcore/Emo.

I'm a screamer/vocalist currently looking for a band to play with. I've been screaming roughly for a year now.

I've already done some minor damages, fortunately nothing too serious to my throat from screaming inproperly.

Before jumping into this thing I would deffinately do some research.

As far as technique, it really depends what kind of screams you are going for.

I'm not gonna try and give you any tips because there is already a thread in the jam session with tips on screaming. I would suggest you read it.

One thing I will say is, it is very important that you warm up and warm down while practicing. You don't want your voice going mute now. =]

[Drum Phil]

If you do it wrong you'll sound like a tool and ruin your vocal chords :) e.g. Alexisonfire

[whiteminority]

If you do it wrong you'll sound like a tool and ruin your vocal chords :) e.g. Alexisonfire
ewwww, alexisonfire.

[deadohiosky9]

alexisonfire use effects. they are gay.

[whiteminority]

they are such a bad band.

[wkd]

Ouch.

I think Alexisonfire is okay. Although, I've only heard one of their songs.

Water Wings.

I thought it was pretty good. They're not hardcore nor emo though, as far as I know.

[panthersfan16]

Go to Jam session and read Merkabas thread(s). There IS technique to screaming, if you do it wrong it will sound like major crap and you will blow out your cords.

[Merkaba]

Dats Right!

Come on over.



Plus if youre really serious about vocals you owe it to yourself to look into what youre doing because you cant go out and buy another one just because your ego said just be a man and push real hard. You'll never get optimal sound pushing at a hundred percent since the lungs are way stronger than the two little membranes youre vibrating.

Its hard to give decent vocal instruction by text but many have been helped over in the jams session threads.

Its like saying there's no technique in soloing. Just run fast up and down the neck. But Anything that is done can be done better, and safer, even if youre a "natural".

But you will reach a point where you will be pushing alot if you want to grow in strength and stamina. But that comes later, and should come gradually.

Deadohiosky is right mostly though. Eventually you want to be at where you can do it safely without thinking, and that comes from muscle memory, which comes from practice and repetition, hopefully you will be building this with proper technique. So many dont...and over a few years their voice is shot. If youre really serious I suggest taking a few singing lessons personally. Singing properly will translate into screaming properly with less effort. Which allows you to, in my opinion, show more emotion because you can sound better. Sometimes screaming sounds more like yelling...if you lose the quality of a steady note behind all the rasp.

[Special Brew]

THERE IS TECHNIQUE TO SCREAMING! STOP SAYING THEIR ISN'T!

I guarantee you that most singer's in professional bands have learned proper technique to scream.

Listen to Merkaba, the man knows what he talks about.

[cobert]

hi, currently the vocalist in my band screams and sings, but for more layers we're wanting a second screamer. (ie. me) i try to scream, but when i do it comes out as a whisper, and i'm not sure if it even sounds right, is there a technique to screaming properly? Thanks.

Yell really loud.

[Wow]

THERE IS TECHNIQUE TO SCREAMING! STOP SAYING THEIR ISN'T!

I guarantee you that most singer's in professional bands have learned proper technique to scream.

Listen to Merkaba, the man knows what he talks about.


Not in emo, dolt. Since he posted it in the hardcore/emo forum, we're gonna tell him how emo bands do it.

[Drum Phil]

FYI, i dont actually like alexisonfire. They're just an example of what happens if you scream the wrong way.

[deadohiosky9]

they are an example of what happens when you turn gay.

[Drum Phil]

Shall i assume you're an example of why cousins shouldnt marry?

[Wow]

I'll just assume Drum Phil is an example of how people need to develope sarcasm detectors.

[deadohiosky9]

you said you didn't like them, why would my comment bother you if you didn't like them?

[Drum Phil]

Because you're raggin on a band for no real reason other than you dont like them

[Wow]

Not liking a band is a good enough reason to do that.

[wkd]

they are an example of what happens when you turn gay.

Ignorant much?

[Wow]

Ignorant much?


You should ask yourself the same question.


He was joking! People on this forum are so uptight now.

[Arrakakaka]

Shall i assume you're an example of why cousins shouldnt marry?
Thay made me laugh my balls off.

I don't know much about how to do hardcore and emo screaming, even though I listen to alot of genres covered in this forum. Just get a chaotic feel.

[deadohiosky9]

jesus f.ucking christ. everyone is talking about how screams are "done" and "created". its not. its hardcore. some kids just pushed the emotional boundaries and instead of yelling, screamed. they didn't think about how to make the air go about in a particular way so as to brush the vocal chords perfectly without damanging s.hit blah blah. they just did it. thats what its about. just doing it. but do it with caution of course.

[Wow]

Neeshee shoots, he scores!

[deadohiosky9]

wooooo

[wkd]

jesus f.ucking christ. everyone is talking about how screams are "done" and "created". its not. its hardcore. some kids just pushed the emotional boundaries and instead of yelling, screamed. they didn't think about how to make the air go about in a particular way so as to brush the vocal chords perfectly without damanging s.hit blah blah. they just did it. thats what its about. just doing it. but do it with caution of course.

That theory is rather idiotic. That would be the "Alexisonfire" thing to do.

Yeah, all these hardcore bands that scream their lungs out carelessly is cool now. But what are they going to tell their fans when they want a second album and their vocalist ****ed up his/her voice?

[deadohiosky9]

alexisonfire do not scream, they use effects. he produces it most of the time. many emo bands have screamed their lungs out relentlessly and still been fine.

[Wow]

Hollywood, get out of the forum until you know your sh.it about hardcore.


I've been screaming in bands for years now and my voice is perfectly fine. All you have to do is coat your throat beforehand. To use technique in hardcore defies the purpose of abrasive vocals.

[wkd]

alexisonfire do not scream, they use effects. he produces it most of the time. many emo bands have screamed their lungs out relentlessly and still been fine.

Yeah, but how do you define "emo" bands? I'll just assume you're talking about the real emo. I know listening to Circle Takes The Square and Saetia that their screams sound pretty damaging, but I'm also sure they've taken some sort of voice lessons.

By voice lessons I don't neccesarily mean going to a school and taking a Screaming 101 course. [I doubt there is even such thing.] But if you can sing normally, then developing a good screaming voice will come easier.

I've already damaged my voice a few times, but I've managed heal. I've done this so called "just scream and don't give a f.uck" routine and had negative results. Just trying to advice to other posters of the consequences. =]

[SunnyDayRealEstateAM]

alexisonfire do not scream, they use effects. he produces it most of the time. many emo bands have screamed their lungs out relentlessly and still been fine.
On Alexisonfire, on the first album it was all throat. On the second one he used destortion because he blew his vocal chords.

[deadohiosky9]

Yeah, but how do you define "emo" bands? I'll just assume you're talking about the real emo. I know listening to Circle Takes The Square and Saetia that their screams sound pretty damaging, but I'm also sure they've taken some sort of voice lessons.

By voice lessons I don't neccesarily mean going to a school and taking a Screaming 101 course. [I doubt there is even such thing.] But if you can sing normally, then developing a good screaming voice will come easier.

I've already damaged my voice a few times, but I've managed heal. I've done this so called "just scream and don't give a f.uck" routine and had negative results. Just trying to advice to other posters of the consequences. =]

yeah those are the bands i speak of. billy from saetia didn't really damage his vocal chords, he can still scream fine, and his voice is fine. "damaging screams" are the only screams in this genre. asking how to avoid this type of screaming in a hardcore/emo forum is stupid.

[wkd]

Hollywood, get out of the forum until you know your sh.it about hardcore.


I've been screaming in bands for years now and my voice is perfectly fine. All you have to do is coat your throat beforehand. To use technique in hardcore defies the purpose of abrasive vocals.

A man that can juggle tennis balls decides he will juggle knives. He does it successfully without harming himself. Does that mean every person that can juggle tennis balls wont be harmed juggling knives?

Of course not.

I've damaged my voice in the past, I am just warning the other users. Relax, and keep your insults to yourself.

[deadohiosky9]

Of course it can be damaging to some. Its going to vary from person to person. I'm only saying that focusing on technique more than emotion defeats the purpose of screaming, and that i have yet to come across an emo band that uses technique. Maybe some people don't care about their vocal chords.

[kingdead]

I hear prolonged periods of typing bullshit can damage your keyboard.

[cobert]

This thread needs to get off of its period.

[deadohiosky9]

this thread needs to be locked.

[wkd]

Haha.

I don't see the problem. It's not like a fight has broken out. We're all being mature about it, except a select few. What's wrong with a good debate?

[cobert]

this thread needs to be locked.

We have a winner.

edit: WHO GIVES A SH1T IF SOMEONE DECIDES TO USE TECHNIQUE.

Thats why the thread should be locked.

[Wow]

A man that can juggle tennis balls decides he will juggle knives. He does it successfully without harming himself. Does that mean every person that can juggle tennis balls wont be harmed juggling knives?

Of course not.

I've damaged my voice in the past, I am just warning the other users. Relax, and keep your insults to yourself.


I'm sorry that I don't want people corrupting hardcore and misusing one of it's key elements.

[StandingStill]

As long as the kid knows that when your screaming you've got to make sure your diaphragm moves like it would when your singing then he'll be fine. happy screaming kids.

[cobert]

Honestly though, if someone screams and hurts his voice, then learns a way to do it without hurting his throat and not affecting the sound, i dont see anything wrong.

[wkd]

I'm sorry that I don't want people corrupting hardcore and misusing one of it's key elements.

You can still have hardcore screams, and being safe without losing that edge.

[deadohiosky9]

if it doesn't affect the sound, then i don't see anything wrong with it either.

[Chips]

On Alexisonfire, on the first album it was all throat. On the second one he used destortion because he blew his vocal chords.
Oh really? That's why he sounds so utterly ****ty live.

[Special Brew]

Not in emo, dolt. Since he posted it in the hardcore/emo forum, we're gonna tell him how emo bands do it.
I'm positive that not all emo bands just scream like hell without working on their voice and learning some technique first.

[whiteminority]

You should ask yourself the same question.


He was joking! People on this forum are so uptight now.
only the ones who arnt regulars.

yeah those are the bands i speak of. billy from saetia didn't really damage his vocal chords, he can still scream fine, and his voice is fine. "damaging screams" are the only screams in this genre. asking how to avoid this type of screaming in a hardcore/emo forum is stupid.
billy is a perfect example. his screaming on One Dying Wish is pure emotion and probaly what most would call damaging but hes still screaming.

[BuddyBigsby]

Haha, Alexisonfire are cool in my book.

Singer sporting a Youth of Today shirt and busting a two step in front of a bunch of bros and Warped Tour class "punks" stoked on seeing Rise Against = Cred

[whiteminority]

they can have all the cred they want, they still make crap music.

[deadohiosky9]

i think they make good music and have a good singer, its just that terrible produced screaming on their second album.

[BuddyBigsby]

They actually make really catchy stuff as far as poppy mellow rock goes...

[Special Brew]

I've never really liekd them, but they're alright in my book. I can listen to it and have no problems with it, but it's nothign that I'd go out and buy or anything.

[whiteminority]

They actually make really catchy stuff as far as poppy mellow rock goes...
its catchy but to me its the kind of music i dont want stuck in my head. its the same thing with pure pop music catchy as hell but its bad.

[BuddyBigsby]

bad music = good

[whiteminority]

no. those damn pop bands piss me off.

[BuddyBigsby]

You'll cave eventually. Everyone does.

[whiteminority]

no i dont think i will. the only pop i cant put up with is some of the rap stuff (kanye west and 50 cent.) and thats it.

[BuddyBigsby]

Yeah, I thought that when I was 15 too.

[Special Brew]

I like alot of poppy stuff.

I just really like alot of stuff all around actually.

[whiteminority]

Yeah, I thought that when I was 15 too.
how old are you now?

[Special Brew]

I'm guessing he's 19, according to his profile.

[whiteminority]

im much too lazy to check such things as a profile.

[BuddyBigsby]

Damien's right on the money.

[whiteminority]

i wish i was 19 so i could get into the 18+ shows that card. i can get into most of em cuz im like 6'5" and have facial hair and ****, but alot of the really good shows are 18 over only. which blows.

[BuddyBigsby]

Every show I've ever been to and have ever wanted to go to has been all ages. The 18+ / 21+ is so weird to me.

[whiteminority]

Every show I've ever been to and have ever wanted to go to has been all ages. The 18+ / 21+ is so weird to me.
well im heading out to portland over the summer and my uncle said most of the good shows are 21+ which blows, because he says that the accused play all the time but its usually in bars. i may get away with 18+ shows but no way in hell will i get into 21+.

[Special Brew]

age limiting shows is just stupid. seems like bands would want your money, no matter what age you are.

[whiteminority]

i agree. especially with the accused they are such a damn good band you would think they would spread their music through all ages shows.

[BuddyBigsby]

Actually, I take back what I said. I wanted to go see Daggermouth a couple weeks ago and it was at a bar, 21+. But then I just saw them play in a backyard a couple days later.

[whiteminority]

Actually, I take back what I said. I wanted to go see Daggermouth a couple weeks ago and it was at a bar, 21+. But then I just saw them play in a backyard a couple days later.
hahaha. i know how that is. when i was in 7th grade this death metal band that was popular in the area (i dont know about where else) was playing a bar and i tryed to sneak in but got caught, but as it turns out my old man knew the guys in the band from high school so on my older brothers bday we got to see them play live in their rehearsal space and there was only like 8 of us there. name of the band is psychomancer if anyone has heard of them.

[Wow]

I'm positive that not all emo bands just scream like hell without working on their voice and learning some technique first.


The ones not faking it do.


I schooled deadohiosky on why any technique doesn't belong in hardcore. I'm done with this thread, so ask him if you wanna know why.

[Special Brew]

You can every bit of the same emotion by using technique that you can while just trying it without technique.

I read this entire thread and unless you "schooled" him over AIM, I have no clue what you are talking about.

And you said something about coating your throat beforehand, which IS A TECHNIQUE. So don't say that using technique ruins that purpose of hardcore music, when you go against your own "rule" yourself.

[RCVA]

Seriously, you should do it however you like in your band.

[Wow]

Coating your throat is drinking tea with honey. That's not technique, I do that anyway. I'm talking about technique DURING screaming. Excuse me if one of my favorite drinks makes my throat not hurt.


And I schooled him over AIM.

[Special Brew]

If you have been singing ahwhile, you still use some sort of technique. NO matter how you sing, you use technique of some sort just by practicing and seeing what sounds and feels the best.

I still don't understand how you think learning proper vocal technique will cause the emotion of the music or purpose of hardcore to be less meaningful.

[whiteminority]

Because the point of screaming is pure emotion not because it sounds cool. If you use technique you are not releasing the emotion as it is supposed to come out.

[Ross]

Just remember to scream from the bottom of your chest up, not just in your throat. I've seen enough bad screamers in local emo bands to know that a bad scream can ruin a good song.

Yes screaming is about emotion, but so are many things in life. If done bad, it sounds awful and no-one will give a flying crap about your emotions.

[Wow]

Ben got it right.

[whiteminority]

Just remember to scream from the bottom of your chest up, not just in your throat. I've seen enough bad screamers in local emo bands to know that a bad scream can ruin a good song.

Yes screaming is about emotion, but so are many things in life. If done bad, it sounds awful and no-one will give a flying crap about your emotions.
dude i have heard some god-awful vocals that show pure freaking emotion and some great vocals that are empty in emo. the point of emo and screamo vocals is to show emotion.

i would take the vocalist in the kite-flying society over any trained singer any day of the week.

[Wow]

dude i have heard some god-awful vocals that show pure freaking emotion and some great vocals that are empty in emo. the point of emo and screamo vocals is to show emotion.

i would take the vocalist in the kite-flying society over any trained singer any day of the week.


Rick from Kite Flying Society is so amazing/passionate. He makes that band.

[whiteminority]

so sad they broke up.:upset:

[Ross]

dude i have heard some god-awful vocals that show pure freaking emotion and some great vocals that are empty in emo. the point of emo and screamo vocals is to show emotion.

i would take the vocalist in the kite-flying society over any trained singer any day of the week.

Oh hell yeah show emotion... Just do it right :p

*gets out a spade and starts digging*

[SunnyDayRealEstateAM]

How can emo/screamo be emotional if the screams are manufactured?

[whiteminority]

exactly.


can we get a mod to lock this thread?

[wkd]

Kite-Flying society songs seem to be incredibly hard to find. Atleast for me. I can't find any songs on any of my downloaders. Hastings, [where I usually get my cds] doesn't seem to carry it either. Bummer.

[Wow]

Kite-Flying society songs seem to be incredibly hard to find. Atleast for me. I can't find any songs on any of my downloaders. Hastings, [where I usually get my cds] doesn't seem to carry it either. Bummer.


That's 'cause KFS cd's were very limited in print. No cd stores will be carrying them. You're better off getting their 7".

[mikexmcdaniel]

saying there is no technique to screaming is ridiculous.

That's just like saying there is no technique to singing, drumming, playing guitar, bass, etc...

In order to scream correctly, you have to use many of the same breath control techniques as singers do. If you're really serious about it, I would suggest taking a few singing lessons, just so you can learn how to utilize these.

[SunnyDayRealEstateAM]

There isn't any technique for screaming. There may be techniques to preserve your voice but there isn't a technique to scream. Screaming is emotion. There isn't any technique to emotion.

[RCVA]

You should do it how you like. Not how someone else does it. You might as well do covers of who you're trying to sound like.